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Originally Posted by Geoffrey S
While in middle school (I throw curses upon these evil memories) there was a girl by the name of sarah. Who's body matured faster then anyone elses. She was 5'6 and had c cups, and she frequently went out with high schoolers. She was like the neighborhood whore.
She must have been raped like, a dozen times!
There are girls who simply mature faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoffrey S
The law (and some Orgahs) seems to make no distinction between knowingly having sex with a minor, and having sex with someone who you think was legal when you two got frisky. It's a big difference, between accidentally poisoning the dog with chocolate, or feeding it to the dog with full knowledge that chocolate is harmful to dogs. The former is being careless, the latter murder. The former being ingenuous, the latter paedophilia. The former a mistake, the latter a crime.
Uh-huh. And I stick to my opinion that they are nonetheless always recognisable for their age - in looks and behaviour. Believe me, I have known girls of a similar age who pretended to be older than they were, but I have never known anyone falling for it (wheter they went on to ignore the age is another matter...).Quote:
Originally Posted by Quirinus
Uh-huh. And I stick to my opinion that they are nonetheless always recognisable for their age - in looks and behaviour. Believe me, I have known girls of a similar age who pretended to be older than they were, but I have never known anyone falling for it (wheter they went on to ignore the age is another matter...).
I remember being 10-11 and there was this girl in my class at school who was just under 6 feet tall, i remember her talking one day about going to the cinema and getting in for a 15, cinemas aren't too strict on ages but they would have turned down a 10 year old.
When i was getting to the age of about 16 lots of my friends where going out to pubs drinking and i knew a girl who had been going out to pubs and clubs since she was at least 15 (maybe even 14) she could act quite mature at times (other times she would show her age) i would say you have to spend a decent time with most girls before thier actions betrays thier age
The moral of the story is: get to know someone before you sleep with them. :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
Seconded, and not only because of problems like the above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
well how long should someone wait to be on the safe side ?
You've got to consider that to alot of young people sex is a recreational activity, most young people go out drinking hoping to have sex, should someone be punished because they sleep with someone the first night they meet them
Yes? If not by the law, they may certainly get punished by getting a nice STD or an unplanned pregnancy. Sex certainly can be recreational- but it is never soley recreational, no matter how much people would like it to be otherwise. There can always be life-altering consequences and it's a mistake to take it lightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
Yes? If not by the law, they may certainly get punished by getting a nice STD or an unplanned pregnancy.
well an unplanned pregnancy or an std are things the goverment as much as the individuals involved try to avoid and mostly aren't wished on people, whereas a case like this is the goverment making a consequence from an action that previously had no punishment.
Other than asking for I.D there are going to be girls who look and act a few years above thier age, so should people who enjoy sex and go out to get it be punished by the state on top of the risks they already endure.
If they break the law in doing so, yes. Most laws on the matter are quite explicit in stating that ignorance of the age is not an excuse. By the letter of the law, he deserved some punishment. As I've said- taking the story at face value -I don't think he deserves to be listed as a sex offender for life. But, as I've also said, seeing as how it was an aggravated crime and they decided to try him as an adult, I have some serious doubts about the story as presented.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
Copulation between non-married people has always been illegal in the US, with punishments varying state-by-state, and (of course) enforcement also varying over time and cultural tolerance.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
The laws against consenting adult copulation have gradually relaxed, and are almost non-existent now. But the laws about "childhood" copulation, as we see in this case, persist, and in some places, are on the rise.
If they break the law in doing so, yes. Most laws on the matter are quite explicit in stating that ignorance of the age is not an excuse. By the letter of the law, he deserved some punishment.
well i think when the ages are so close together it should be looked at independently and if the age a girl said is realistic to the way she looks and acts (hard to judge ill admit but its the fairest way imo) then punishment should be minimal if non-existant
to put it into an example lets pertend gay sex is illegal in the USA, LittleGrizzly goes out to a bar for the night and gets chatting to this lovely lady called miriam (theres something about miriam) we go back to his place and have sex (this is possible without discovering a male sex organ) the next day the police swoop in and arrest grizzly for having sex with a man.
Would this be fair to Grizzly (who obviously has suffered enough! ;)) ?
Miriam is a man who looks like a very attractive lady it was a show on sky one where male contestants competed for her affections and later found out she was a man (or is a transexual im not sure)
Copulation between non-married people has always been illegal in the US, with punishments varying state-by-state, and (of course) enforcement also varying over time and cultural tolerance.
Intresting, I knew there used to be (or are not enforced anymore at least) laws against carrying on with a married woman but i had never heard of this ?
Im assuming its one of those laws that are on the books but never enforced ?
How did this law come about ? was it something that was always there or introduced at some point after the constitution, bill of rights ect. ?
But the laws about "childhood" copulation, as we see in this case, persist, and in some places, are on the rise.
with my last sentence i think i was focusing on "if the girl does seem old enough then people should not have to wait for sex solely based on the fact she could be lying and might be younger than she says..."
If someone's going to have sex with another after only a night, possibly inebriated, then I don't think they're doing their best to avoid the risks. This can be illustrated by illness, pregnancy, and by the subject of this topic. As far as I'm concerned it's always about trust, something you just can't gain in the blink of an eye.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
If the guy HAS to be punished then the girl should too.
Marital infidelity and premarital sex (as well as sodomy and statutory rape) are covered by state and local laws. The federal government doesn't have jurisdiction here. These days, sodomy and infidelity laws are rarely enforced. But it is in the interest of any male high school student (and college-aged for that matter) to know the relevant age restrictions in their state of residence. :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
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Originally Posted by HoreTore
I'm a 37 year old dating a 24 year old right now, and all I have to say is:
DAMN, HOT-DIGGITY-DAMN IS IT EVER FUN!
An idiot? Yes. A sex offender? No.
Most states statutory rape laws not only deal with the age of the minor, but the age difference between the two as well. IIRC the usual acceptable age difference is up to 6 years, more than that and it qualifies as statutory. Ricky was in the wrong state.
And I believe it's also illegal for people to harass Ricky and family using the information from the registry. But that bit doesn't seem to be getting enforced so strictly as the part that got Ricky on the registry in the first place.
Ajax
Indeed. This "Reckless Romeo" will have fathered 7 kids at age 21 (starting when he was 13 - obviously a recreational activity)... that UK taxpayers will enjoy paying for, for the next 20 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
Maybe she'll buy him that Nintendo now, to divert his recreational/creational urges.Quote:
Mr Macdonald said he did not want to have any more children and that his mother has strong views about the situation.
He said: "My mum's not happy about all these kids.
"She tells me to pack it in and keep it in my trousers."
Anybody else heard about that Argentinian girl who got triplets - for the second time, and who now has a total of 7 kids at the age of 17?
Ma man! ~:smoking:Quote:
Originally Posted by Goofball
Must be the uniform and the M249, eh?
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Originally Posted by Beirut
Hehe. Well, they say that "youth is wasted on the young." I'm just trying to see that some of it doesn't go to waste.
It's really an eco-friendly gesture on my part...
Well, I was 35 and went out with a 19 year-old. It was my boss' sister and it got me fired for six months, but it was worth it. :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Goofball
Eco-friendly indeed.