So, I hear Privateerkev is mafia ...
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So, I hear Privateerkev is mafia ...
:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarathos
So I hear Sarathos lurvz mudkipz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarathos
Also, skeletor.
I saw Sarathos eating a spicy meat-a ball, he's mafia.
I'm ordering pizza anyone want some?
Curses! I am doomed not to live as an interesting person in this interesting time.
CR
I believe you :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
So you are an interesting person, aka mafia, but you are doomed to die?
Random Vote: Pevergeen in revenge for preschool mafia >_>.
It's night, so you can't vote.
Privateerkev, are you trying to say that you cannot figure out how to put on invisible mode?
In your UserCP, go to "Edit options" (or follow this link) and check the box next to "Use Invisible Mode".
:bow:
Me!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
:wall: I cant install EB bug fixes... Sucks living in school..
Im soo voting Sarathos because its all your fault :clown:
Okay guys, will this computer run M2TW at maximum settings?
Core4 ThetaAlphaPrime 800.000*5Hz
400*5MB RAM in 400-channel mode
AMD Radeon MXVI1000 128kb DDR9
I don't want to derive the thread but I also never used invisible mode, not even when requested, and neither did I look at people's profiles for hours to find out what they're doing.
vote: Andres
There's that spambot again... :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mithrandir
~;p
You can't vote me. I'm the host, not a player. Well, technically speaking, you can vote me or what-/whoever you want, but if it ain't a player the vote will be counted as an abstain.
That's what they all say...Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
vote: Andres
~;)
Anyway, has the game already started? Should we vote for who killed rene?
The game starts with a night phase. Results will be posted at +/- 22h00 tonight (GMT +2). First day will start then and will last for +/- 24 hours. During that period you can vote. Person with the most votes at the end of the day will get lynched.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mithrandir
Additional rules in first post of this thread.
:bow:
Prove that I intentionally told a falsehood. It is in your own posts. Unless you are claiming that it is you who lied.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
And from Kommodus's own admission, it is faulty. You fear a faulty tool. It can only work if those are the only PM's you ever send.Quote:
It's tried and tested.
True but you have yet to give me a reason to trust you. It's kind of freaky to hear from a shimmer in the air. Surely you can concede that point.Quote:
Because you can hear me ~:)
a.) we use it in KotR.Quote:
Where did you hear about quicktopic?
b.) I read in Netherworld that gameroom players use it.
Why? Does possession of basic internet knowledge automatically seem guilty to you. :laugh4:
From who? The shimmering wraith who fears internet knowledge possessed by others? Perhaps it is you I should be watching...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarathos
No I know how. I'm just messing with those who do use it and one took the bait... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
It's how I amuse myself when the game is going slow.
OOC: This is all IC people. I could care less what your profile is set at. It just seemed like a good way to get conversation going. :D
Welcome Privateer!
Did you read the motto over the Gameroom entrance? It starts "Abandon hope...."
:evilgrin:
And, I see you've had a chance to meet Kojiro-san....
:yes:
:laugh4:
Thank you! :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
From posts and pm's I have received, I seem to have already made an impression. It seems to be a gift. Or a curse, depending on how you look at it... :clown:
Anyone who talks a lot in these games makes an impression. The more people talk, the more evidence the other players feel they have to make a judgment call on them. Not talking much at all for multiple lynch sessions is a decent reason to ramp up pressure on someone. At the same time, talking too much isn't useful if you have nothing useful to say. If you're townie, your higher profile only gives the mafia something to hide behind. If you're mafia, you just make people concentrate more attention on you. There's a happy-medium in there somewhere that is very difficult to reach, plus there are always exceptions to any strategy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
I find true WIFOMs to be few and far between. In my opinion, almost all WIFOMish statements are made unintentionally, and it's pretty easy to spot them. For the vast majority of ambiguous statements, Occam's Razor trumps WIFOM. At least, that's my take on it.
Very true. From reading Netherworld, I have come to following conclusions.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
1.) Talking looks suspicious.
2.) Not talking looks suspicious.
3.) Talking a lot looks suspicious.
4.) Talking a little looks suspicious.
5.) Making jokes looks suspicious.
6.) Being serious looks suspicious.
7.) Breathing looks suspicious.
8.) Even being dead looks suspicious.
From all of this I have concluded that anything I do will look suspicious to at least one person. But your point about giving mafia something to hide behind has been well taken. I will step back and watch the game veterans. And learn...
NO U.
I win the argument.
PK, Sarathos took a phrase, and modified it from "So, i herd u liek mudkipz" to his current thing. Fear not, he was punished. (see my above post)
Watch out for Kommodus, he knows us better than we know ourselves. I really want to know what makes me look like mafia.
You're obviously guilty. Give it up already.Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
Sasaki Kojiro is the guy to watch. He doesn't always win, but he's an expert at the game's mechanics, and a fair judge/manipulator of "social engineering". He dosen't go for the big theatrical moves, rather he plants seeds of doubt and/or trust here and there, to see what grows.Quote:
Originally Posted by P.kev
You said that I "had two theories about you" when in reality I put two theories forth about you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
Being faulty makes it more dangerous for innocent people and less dangerous from mafia. You imply that being faulty makes it less dangerous. I wonder why.Quote:
And from Kommodus's own admission, it is faulty. You fear a faulty tool. It can only work if those are the only PM's you ever send.
Never.Quote:
True but you have yet to give me a reason to trust you. It's kind of freaky to hear from a shimmer in the air. Surely you can concede that point.
This post edges on slanderous, another mafia tactic.Quote:
a.) we use it in KotR.
b.) I read in Netherworld that gameroom players use it.
Why? Does possession of basic internet knowledge automatically seem guilty to you. :laugh4:
I disagree. It only gives the mafia something to hide behind if there are enough lazy people who don't read the thread closely for the mafioso's machinations to go unnoticed.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
True wifom is 50/50 of course.Quote:
I find true WIFOMs to be few and far between. In my opinion, almost all WIFOMish statements are made unintentionally, and it's pretty easy to spot them. For the vast majority of ambiguous statements, Occam's Razor trumps WIFOM. At least, that's my take on it.
I see that as a distinction without a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
It is a mixture of OOC curiousity and IC desire to not be lynched for PM'ing my throne room colleueges.Quote:
Being faulty makes it more dangerous for innocent people and less dangerous from mafia. You imply that being faulty makes it less dangerous. I wonder why.
never say neverQuote:
Never.
Your post edges on slanderous. And a very good player has said on this board that, that is another mafia tactic.Quote:
This post edges on slanderous, another mafia tactic.
Done? Or do you want to keep going?
*tries to stare at the wraith but can't focus on the shimmering*
As I said, there are exceptions to every strategy. Being in the limelight generally increases your risk of getting lynched/whacked, especially if you're speaking without a purpose or plan. However, it's very possible to intentionally grab center stage, as it is an effective place from which to manipulate others. Plus, even dying isn't a bad thing, if it helps your side win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
These games are very interesting studies in psychology and game theory. It may sound a bit absurd, but I think an in-depth study of a few mafia games would actually make for a good thesis for a psych major.
I think I'm warmed up. Hopefully we have set the tone for discourse a little higher than the usual first round "hmm nothing to go on yet lol vote:abstain see you next round".
I swear after playing a bunch of mafia I now see through movie villains plots quicker than I used too. Their lies can be so obvious!Quote:
These games are very interesting studies in psychology and game theory. It may sound a bit absurd, but I think an in-depth study of a few mafia games would actually make for a good thesis for a psych major.
Already editing your posts in this thread Sasaki? Carefully grooming the record of early posts to shape a particular interpretation? Just what form of "higher tone" are you trying to inculcate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I will ponder....
What have we here... someone turning a completely generic conversation on the general nature of mafia games into a reason for suspicion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
ToS: Seamus
Toe of Suspicion isn't quite as powerful as a Finger of Suspicion, but it definitely looks a bit odd and has a funky odor. Very appropriate for these early round accusations.
In the interest of full disclosure, here is the post pre-edit:Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
That confused me a bit at first. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Also Vote: Abstain, nothing to go on yet, lol.
So, Sasaki-san, you edited out the "joke" that just happens to be classic WIFOM stuff. Surely you did this just to keep things "clear and understandable..."
:inquisitive:
If you can't take the mountain out of the jungle, the jungle must go to the mountain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Occam's Razor is subjective.
Subjectivity is objective.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
But what if true objectivity is impossible?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Objectivity is illusory.
Yes and theory and practice are same...in theory.
then if objectivity is illusory, and subjectivety is objective, then does that mean sujectivety is illusory?
But wouldn't that mean Occam's Razor is illusory if we continue this line of reasoning? :inquisitive:
Dare I contend that illusion itself is illusory?
Aye, illusion is reality.
Reality is an illusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I still believe that there is a "pure" reality but I'll never be able to perceive it. Therefore, I have "faith" that there is "pure" reality. Ironic given my opinion on religion...
:freak:
is dat some paradox?
Its impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
I agree but many of my colleauges in grad-school remain unconvinced... :wall:
Night 1 - Conclusion.
Seamus Fermanagh was tired.
He arrived in Taormina earlier that day, after a last minute flight. For some reason, he just couldn't resist the constant advertising about splendid holidays and interesting women in Taormina.
That strange travel agent guy promised him sun, beaches, stunning women, culture... He just kept on talking, talking, talking, trying to convinve him. Just to get rid of the guy, Seamus had bought the last minute tickets.
Right now, only a couple of hours later, he was happy to be alive...
Tired. That was the most fitting description for poor ol' Seamus.
The exhaustion caused random thoughts, like "The subjective illusion cannot be objective, therfore, it must be an impossible theory, at least in practice."
"Oh boy, time to go to sleep", Seamus thought.
For some reason, the hotel he was staying in, wasn't damaged by the eruption. He went to his room and fell asleep even before his head touched the pillow.
Later that night, a well dressed man entered Seamus room. he took his pillow and choked him to dead.
The experienced killer took his sharp stiletto and stabbed it through the soft bit at the back of Seamus' head, just for good measure.
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That night, in another hotel, some people couldn't sleep because of the screams coming from a locked room.
A man was heard screaming : "Yes! A breast prothesis! My ultimate fantasy!"
A woman spoke, her voice the sound of angels singing in heaven : "Hihihi, naughty boy, now stand still why I tie you up and hit you with a wooden bar!"
The sounds of ultimate pleasure and passion continued for several hours.
Somebody must have had a pleasant night...
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https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/...coTaormina.jpg
Day 1
Theatro Greco, 7 a.m.
Pino di Luca stared at the remaining people of Taormina.
"Ladies and gentlemen," he said, an uneasy look on his face, "I have a confession to make. Yesterday I told you not to worry. I lied. There are some dangerous people among us. And they seem to be active. This morning, I found the body of Mister Seamus Fermanagh, an American tourist. He visited our lovely town, seduced by some smooth talker, but alas, the poor man died in his bed tonight, killed by what seems to be an experienced killer. My worst fear has become true: the evil mafiosi who were hiding in this town, survived the eruption. Their identity is unknown. To fight the threat, we will lynch one person each day. We will gather and discuss and eventually we will vote. The person with the most votes at the end of the day, will be lynched. Let's hope we find those mafia scumbags soon!"
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Alive (37)
shlin28
Ichigo
Tiberius of the Drake
woad&fangs
GeneralHankerchief
Omanes
makaikhaan
Yaropolk
Caius
Sarathos
Beefy187
Zorg
Glenn
Gaius Sribonius Curio
pevergreen
Crazed Rabbit
Sasaki Kojiro
Husar
TinCow
The Stranger
Northnovas
Rythmic
LittleGrizzly
Kukrikhan
00jebus
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Mithrandir
axel
Haudegen
Makanyane
TwilightBlade
AntiWarmanCake
Hiji
Bananabob
Tratorix
Privateerkev
Proletariat
Killed (1)
Seamus Fermanagh
Lynched (0)
WoG'ed (0)
It's day. You can start voting. Day will last for 24 hours and will end tomorrow at +/- 22h00 (GMT +2).
Vote:Proletariat
why? do you have any evidence?
why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Good for us.
Vote: 00jebus
Haven't seen you around before.
woot still alive :) and now also present...
anything happened?
vote:abstain for now..
how?Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
And that is pertinent because?Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Vote: Gaius Sribonius Curio
Long names need to be disposed of early, lest we waste valuable seconds typing them later in the game.
*is confused by the flurry of voting with no evidence*
Because Seamus, always a good contributor, is a proven innocent.
Vote Abstain
I will vote tomorrow when we got a target.
Why would you be happy that a townie is dead?Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
o_O
^^bad shlin!
Confucius say, where does kev expect evidence to come from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
Vote: Shlin28
So you're going to wait for someone bandwagon before you vote :wink:
I'm on to you there Shlinnyboy.
How many kills does the mafia get each night?
Because they can still contribute with analysis of the thread. Since Seamus was a confirmed townie, his death makes everything he says far more credible, since we don't have to worry about whether he's lying or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
And why shouldn't I? You do know that I always vote abstain on the first round right? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by woad&fangs
Ok, I guess that makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I don't know. But random voting is probably more likely to decrease townie numbers than to actually nail who killed Seamus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
One would expect 2-3.
I think it is best to reveal that I was blocked by the prostitute last night. This looks bad for me given the low number of kills by I think it is better than having the prostitute claim.
In my defence I should mention that given the fact that the mafia appear innocent if they don't kill it seems to me that someone (or two) was worried about being investigated night one.
A reading from the book of Sasaki; Chapter 4, Line 23:
...take it away.
-edit- Of course.
Can we take Seamus as confirmed town? I think we can from the description, since it doesn't seem likely mafia would be lured to the town by travel agents. But it should be left a bit open.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
so your the one that was screaming "Yes! A breast prothesis! My ultimate fantasy!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
:laugh4:
no no no! :sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
The only way to kill mafia is by lynching. It's the towns only weapon. Random votes turn into discussion eventually.
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Originally Posted by Privateerkev
Andres ~:angry:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Ya'll are just jealous:
https://img517.imageshack.us/img517/...tlekow4if4.jpg
But if we lynch a townie, isn't that bad? Wouldn't abstaining be better until we have a target? Otherwise we dilute our own numbers...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/...digfluiten.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
We will never get a better target by sitting around. And our odds will never be good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
With 37 alive we have a 3/37 chance. If we lynch a townie then tomorrow we'll have a 3/35 chance. If we wait two days without lynching anyone then we also have a 3/35 chance, however we missed out on 3/37 chance completely.
We have to lynch a person every day. Blame the mayor for this stupid system of law enforcement.
Shlin28, abstaining doesn't help the town and it prevents us from analyzing you.
Remember, if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear.http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repo...9mons/0006.gif
"the good of the many outweighs the good of the few, or the one."Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Ok, I see where your coming from.
I still feel weird lynching someone with no evidence though. o_O
Evidence is hard to come by, but if you've got some I'm sure everyone would love to see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
I wish I had some. I am suspicious of the fact that Sasaki was with a prostitute and there was only one kill last night. But there are a few reasons that could be the case. One of the mafia could have been laying low like Sasaki said. Or one of them simply never submitted their orders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
At best, it might warrant an FoS towards Sasaki but I don't feel it warrants a vote.
Why not a vote?Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
Vote: Strawberry