Re: I just bought M2TW...
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Macilrille
Chivalry...
I tried the Dark Age campaign as Denmark and I am... unimpressed.
+Buildings are different and nicer.
+Bayex Tapestry on the battle screens :-)
-Units are not that different from Vanilla that it feels different (EB spoiled me there).
-The Names of Danes are still something out of a mixture of High Middle Age, Icelandic Sagas and Greenland and that was one of the things that put me off the most on Vanilla too (come on, NO Norse was named some escimo name!). It would take so little research, or merely a mail to me, and they would have hundreds of Viking and Medieval Names.
-Non re-written faction descriptions and names when you pass cursor over unit.
It will require more tries to pass a final judgement whether I like it or not. I guess EB has spoiled me...
Yeah some parts of the mod do not change enough or haven't had a chance to change enough. Remember that the Dark Age campaign is version 0.01 beta (like literally the first beta of it to be released ever). It's therefore not the best campaign to judge the entire mod by, as it is even more of a work in progress than the early, high, or late campaigns. Also, I think Northern and Western Europe was the area that received the least amount of attention in terms of new units, which is really unfortunate in my opinion. The Byzantines, Rus, Hungarians, Sicilians, the various Balkan factions, and the Islamic factions seem to have received the most new units as far as I can tell. The Byzantines have a pretty much entirely new roster actually if I remember correctly.
Look, I'll be the first to admit, it's no EB, and trust me, the incorrect faction descriptions annoy me as well, but you have to remember that this is the ongoing work of one person. If there was a true EB for the medieval era, I would certainly be playing it over Chivalry, but there isn't. Chivalry takes it a step in the right direction, and if you play Stainless Steel or Deus Lo Vult, you'll see it takes that step much further than they do, because those mods both keep much more of the original vanilla material than Chivalry does.
EB has spoiled all of us I think, Chivalry was the best I could personally find after playing 5 other medieval era mods. Now all that's left to do is wait for Dominion of the Sword to come out (if it ever does). That looks like it could actually be what we're both looking for.
I'm sorry it didn't meet your expectations, and if I use EB as a model, it doesn't meet mine either, but I want to play a medieval era mod, and this is the one that feels best to me. If you want to try a faction that has been almost completely overhauled from vanilla, I would suggest Sicily in the Early (They're called Ducato de Apulia or something like that in the early camp) or High campaigns. They have a lot of interesting units.
I'm also sure that the mod developer would love to hear from you if you have information on Norse names, he seems to take constructive criticism to heart and do something about it.
Re: I just bought M2TW...
Compared with EB, MII is rather crap.
However, MII is far from unplayable in my opinion.
Sure, I hardly play it when EB is available, but if I want a change in time period or if I just want to kick the English in, MII is the only real option.
Re: I just bought M2TW...
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Macilrille
Suffice it to say I do not believe it was necessary to change anything in the films to meet the lowest common denominator. It may not even be so low as PJ and others believe. However, that is neither here nor there, so I shall now be quiet on the subject of Tolkien.
EU I know, I only have EUII I love the historical accuracy, but dislike the fact that the AI cheats and you cannot triumph as a player (without cheating, which does not feel the same)- or perhaps it is but I who have not sussed the system.
Chivalry...
I tried the Dark Age campaign as Denmark and I am... unimpressed.
+Buildings are different and nicer.
+Bayex Tapestry on the battle screens :-)
-Units are not that different from Vanilla that it feels different (EB spoiled me there).
-The Names of Danes are still something out of a mixture of High Middle Age, Icelandic Sagas and Greenland and that was one of the things that put me off the most on Vanilla too (come on, NO Norse was named some escimo name!). It would take so little research, or merely a mail to me, and they would have hundreds of Viking and Medieval Names.
-Non re-written faction descriptions and names when you pass cursor over unit.
It will require more tries to pass a final judgement whether I like it or not. I guess EB has spoiled me...
The dark age campaing is not finished is a beta. compared to the others, and the mod is not finished yet, it needs some work. Remenber is only one guy doing this, if you dont like the names, then why wont you sugest of the sugestion threads?! Either way the guy says it so, the mod nees some tweekings.
Allthough i think it has a great potencial, the conceipt, and the ideia is very good. If the work continues on. Has for me im having much fun playing Jerusalem on high campaing, it uses some vaniila units and some new ones,but on the contrary to much mods im realy having fun, for a prolonged way, and best of all no ctds. a thing that bugs me the most on EB. Is the mod more unstable i played. but still i love EB, one must have pacience while playing it though.
Regards Lord of the rings, well what you say is probabiliy true, still, if you take the books out of the equation, you got a great piece of cinema ever made. For one one who doesnt like the "Movies", but like cinema in is true nature, Lord of the rings triology is still a work of art. And is briliant.
Re: I just bought M2TW...
TKH and Winsington, you mean something like this:
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As a historian and Viking Re-enactor I found that only EB in all the RTW series fulfilled my expectations and was looking for something similar for the medieval times, lauding the fact that there was none...
Another EB fan recommended this, so I have DL-ed it. I have a few comments and noticed a bug.
I tried the Dark Age campaign as Denmark and I am... unimpressed at first 4 hours of play.
Plus
+Buildings are different and seem improved.
+Bayex Tapestry on the battle screens
+Several differently timed campaigns Viking Age Campaign
Minuses
-Units are not that different from Vanilla that it feels different (EB spoiled me there, I miss more accurate units for Denmark 888 and I miss a more authentic look).
-The Names of Danes are still something out of a mixture of High Middle Age, Icelandic Sagas and Greenland and that was one of the things that put me off the most on Vanilla the few historical names mixed in only makes it worse... instead of complaining about this, I offer my service; mail me, and I shall see what I can do with Viking and Medieval Names.
-Non re-written faction descriptions and names when you pass cursor over unit.
It will require more tries to pass a final judgement whether I like it or not. I guess EB has spoiled me. But, the mod has promise and I realise that I played a campaign still in Beta Stage. I will play it some more and see what I think. EB has spoiled me, but also shown what a gargantuan work a mod is, so...
Cool job guys, it has much promise and if you need help on Danish Names and/or Danish Viking-Medieval history, military, etc, I hereby offer my assistance as a certified specialist in that.
? Posted that yesterday, tagging right after a post by TKH, BTW... I have the knowledge and of course I offer it.
Re: I just bought M2TW...
Well I'm going to buy MedII in a few days and plan to play the vanilla version for a while to see how well it gos on my comp. I also plan to try the "Magyar mod" and Broken crescent - these two have found my interrest - wether I might play anything else after it I don't know yet.
Although I suspect EB has spoiled me aswell since after having experienced EB I felt BI to be somewhat without depth although I enjoyed it much better earlier on...
Re: I just bought M2TW...
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Macilrille
? Posted that yesterday, tagging right after a post by TKH, BTW... I have the knowledge and of course I offer it.
That's weird, did you edit the post? Because the post you quoted was different but still similar to the one you posted, I don't know how I didn't see it earlier.
I was never implying that you wouldn't offer the knowledge, I was merely noting that this particular mod developer seems especially open to constructive criticism and encouraging you to do so.
The only thing that I would specifically suggest that you didn't mention in your post is that when you do try out the mod more, using a non-Northern European faction may give you more change from vanilla, and that Sicily in particular has quite a few unique and new units.
It was just some friendly advice, not a criticism of your post.
Re: I just bought M2TW...
I know, no worries. I just found another bug.
The post was a cut and paste...
Re: I just bought M2TW...
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Macilrille
I know, no worries. I just found another bug.
The post was a cut and paste...
Oh I'm sorry Macilrille, I didn't realize that was the post you posted at the twcenter forum for Chivalry II. For some reason I thought it was the earlier post from here, except edited. I'm an idiot.
Just to make sure, you did restart the game before trying out each of the other campaigns other than the Dark Age, and each time you did you put in the proper letter (D, E, H, L, R) in the launch screen? If you didn't, that could explain the weird alliances/at war statuses, and why Denmark still appears to have Pagan temples in the later eras, because in my current Poland campaign (High Era), they are certainly Catholic, the Pope keeps on nicely reminding me of that when I fight them.... :laugh4:
Re: I just bought M2TW...
Yeps I did restart. Not that I mind Denmark being Pagan, I quite like it (being a Viking Re-enactor and all that), but still. The medieval historian inside me protests like mad. I could try and builld a Pagan tample and see if that makes me Christian...
You understand Luhman, you are no idiot ;-)
Re: I just bought M2TW...
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Originally Posted by
Macilrille
Yeps I did restart. Not that I mind Denmark being Pagan, I quite like it (being a Viking Re-enactor and all that), but still. The medieval historian inside me protests like mad. I could try and builld a Pagan tample and see if that makes me Christian...
You understand Luhman, you are no idiot ;-)
Hmm that is strange. Yeah it might just be a bug, who knows. I have yet to play as Denmark in this mod, so I didn't know about this, maybe I'll check later today and see if I have the same problem.
And thanks for your confidence haha
Re: I just bought M2TW...
I have the opinion that the M2TW-engine is clearly superior to RTW, if only for moddable AI. There is however no mod for it (yet) that can compare to EB in depth and historical detail, but there are mods which are different, but not necessarily worse. One that I really like is Broken Crescent. It turns away from the euro-centric main campaign concept (which most major mods use and which I find a bit boring: despite all those things that SS, DLV and the like change it still feels kind of vanilla to me) and has great graphics and music which make for an enthralling atmosphere. It does sacrifice a bit of historical accuracy for gameplay though, so be warned ~;)
I haven't tried TA yet, so I can't say anything about that.
Edit: Did I mention that I expect to see the best mod of all times to be released for M2TW some day? I think it's called Europa Barbarorum II or something ~:)
