What suggested faction should be in EBII

So if I am following the updates correctly there is 10 slots, with 2 filled by Pergi and the Numidians.

Now there was a hint about a Nomad faction which I am assuming is Numidia and was there a hint of another occultis Hellenistic faction? So we have 8 slots left, one of which is probably another Greek faction (and I'd put the Acropolis on it being Syracuse).

My guess would be we'll see some more holes filled, eg the Mittel Europa gap (1 or 2) the steppe vacuum (1), and maybe some balancing in Spain (1 or 2). Remember this is Europa Barbarorum.

Round out with a Caucasian/iranian crossover in Iberia or Atropatene and we have one slot left for my beloved Mauryan satraps with their lovely elephant generals (and culture limit problems solved..somehow..please).

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Originally Posted by Fluvius Camillus

... the numerous Ptoly fullstacks ...

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That would be an awesome alt-rock band.

Alternately an EB period NBA franchise based in Alexandria, to go up against the Seleucea Grey Deaths and the Arretium Spammed Triarii.

Don't know if another hellenistic/greek faction has been hinted at, all we've got is a occultus Thureophoroi skin but that doesn't mean squat as everyone can recruit them.

ps Moros whats up with the weird green sig, have you finally tired of tormenting us with the "occultus" madness?:tongue2:

I suspect that the second Occultus Greek unit set belongs to a hellenic bosphoran kingdom or something.

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Originally Posted by bobbin

ps Moros whats up with the weird green sig, have you finally tired of tormenting us with the "occultus" madness?:tongue2:

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Maybe it is a subliminal message, he shows the occultus faction disguised as green parthians... so either the occultus faction are Yuehzi (who where green in EB I) or i´m seeing things:beam:

EB members are really unpredictable indeeed, you never know to what they´re up to

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Originally Posted by bobbin

ps Moros whats up with the weird green sig, have you finally tired of tormenting us with the "occultus" madness?

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No. When time comes torment will probably resume as usual. I think the meaning of the new signature becomes fairly obvious when you look at the recent events in Iran.

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Originally Posted by bobbin

ps Moros whats up with the weird green sig, have you finally tired of tormenting us with the "occultus" madness?:tongue2:

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Never!

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Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios

No. When time comes torment will probably resume as usual. I think the meaning of the new signature becomes fairly obvious when you look at the recent events in Iran.

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Ah, I wondered myself...

Really sad that the Iranians have to live under such an idiotic system. But anyway, no politics in this thread, but green looks better than pink anyway...

Can't say much for the system in my country right now but it doesn't really compare. Here they just steal money not votes.

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Originally Posted by Moros

Never!

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Thats the spirit!:laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Fluvius Camillus

WHERE ARE THE BATAVIANS I WANT TO REPRESENT HOLLAND!!!:wall::wall::wall:

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Hell yeah! :2thumbsup: Though the best representation right now is the Chatii, since we Dutch are for the biggest part Frankish people they fit the bill best (even with Batavians in probably).

bah! I don't care about the a3ajim, I just want more homies*.:clown:


*arabianz!!

I'm probably guessing Occultus is a faction to match the Casse in britain or the belgae. I could make out the three spinning things on it.

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Originally Posted by bobin

Can't say much for the system in my country right now but it doesn't really compare. Here they just steal money not votes.

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Where my parents came from, they stole votes with money and scoffed up all the government's coffers.....

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Originally Posted by Ibrahim

bah! I don't care about the a3ajim, I just want more homies*.:clown:


*arabianz!!

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Well if it can be of any comfort, the sabaeans will be in with a larger unit rooster . And also Arabia will have many regionals as well, as we at least have to represent the different people living there better, both nomads and settled.

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Well if it can be of any comfort, the sabaeans will be in with a larger unit rooster .

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A larger unit rooster you say? Gallus Gallus Extraordinarii? Red Junglefowl Cavalry?

I like this support for Syrakousai as well :bow:

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Originally Posted by Hax

A larger unit rooster you say? Gallus Gallus Extraordinarii? Red Junglefowl Cavalry?

I like this support for Syrakousai as well :bow:

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Ah no the Gigantus Gallus Gallus Arabicus. They are perhaps the largest birds ever to have walked the earth, and the ones with the worst temper too. The only thing that could stand in their path would be the 'what if' Bartix Gallus Gallus Deathraiophoroi'us.

No! I didnt know it was a multiple choice thread! I voted Judea, but I would have also said Syrakousai, Massilia, and the Bosporian Kingdom if I could.

I voted for Syracuse , the Bosphorian Kingdom and the Belgae , but I would like to see another faction on the British isles too and another Germanic faction .

Just a question for the team however , though slightly off topic . Do you estimate/believe that there will be a problem with the number of unit slots since there will be a whole bunch of new factions ?

For example , is there a need to have two versions of some units in the game unit roster ( a normal and a mercenary one ) ?

Could the same unit slot easily belong to both " unit pools " ( but with a different upkeep cost ) ?

I know nothing of these mechanics but oversimplifying things I believe that the unit slots available are more than enough if the answer to the question in italics is "yes" .

And now for a really off topic question , I can't control myself I just want to know ; what do you intend to do with the "free upkeep" feature ?

There , I'm completely off topic , beat me to death , but tell me first .

Pretty please ?

heh

Satyros

I only voted for massailia, but I would have voted for more had I known it was a multiple choice quiz. I would have voted: Massalia, Boii, Bastarnea, Emporion, and other (Cause I want GOIDILS!!!!!!)

I say the mod's just not complete without Judea. It is really the only one on the list that was truely important in any way. The others would just be need to have.

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Originally Posted by Alexandros_III

I say the mod's just not complete without Judea. It is really the only one on the list that was truely important in any way. The others would just be need to have.

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How, in any way, was Judea "truely important" during this period?

Foot

I'd say that the "con" arguments were convincing enough not to include this faction .

Satyros

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Originally Posted by Foot

How, in any way, was Judea "truely important" during this period?

Foot

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Well it would be a very unique faction as in contrast to all others it wouldn't even exist more than half our time frame!

I'd vote for the Bosporans if only to see what the EB2 Team digs up for references for their history, cause I know they're better at finding that janx than I am. /me is a parasite :(

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Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

You should look Epeiros.... Pyrhhos historically dies in 272 BC, and kingdom of Epeiros was destroyed... sooner than Syracuse...

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Actually, not only did the kingdom of Epeiros limp on for four more decades without Pyrrhos I, it formed a federal league with Akarnania and survived until the aftermath of the Third Mak War...honestly, it's like people don't even read the "Year in History" popups...:book:

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Originally Posted by Moros

Well it would be a very unique faction as in contrast to all others it wouldn't even exist half more than half our time frame!

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That's just what they expected you to think...:egypt:

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Originally Posted by Moros

Well it would be a very unique faction as in contrast to all others it wouldn't even exist more than half our time frame!

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This isn't unique at all. Epeiros, for instance, didn't exist for even 10% of the timeframe. Even mighty Carthage was laid to waste well before half our timeframe is passed.

Now, if you had said "wouldn't even exist until half our time frame had passed" it would be accurate.

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Originally Posted by Alexandros_III

I say the mod's just not complete without Judea. It is really the only one on the list that was truely important in any way. The others would just be need to have.

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ROFLMFAO R U SERIOUS??!

I'm afraid he is......

Way to go not commenting on Bovi's revealing post, you two.

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Originally Posted by bovi

This isn't unique at all. Epeiros, for instance, didn't exist for even 10% of the timeframe. Even mighty Carthage was laid to waste well before half our timeframe is passed.

Now, if you had said "wouldn't even exist until half our time frame had passed" it would be accurate.

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Quick! Someone get me a political map of the world from ~129 BCE through ~14 CE!

Don't think that was a hint, he was just correcting Moros's statement about Judea.

Oh, ****.

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Originally Posted by bovi

This isn't unique at all. Epeiros, for instance, didn't exist for even 10% of the timeframe. Even mighty Carthage was laid to waste well before half our timeframe is passed.

Now, if you had said "wouldn't even exist until half our time frame had passed" it would be accurate.

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Yes, that's what I meant.

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Oh, ****.

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Voted for Bosporan Kingdom, Belgae and Trapados:beam:

What about a Galatian faction in modern day turkey area? There is a decent amount of history on it. I can dig some up. Tell what everyone thinks.

I would like a Galatian faction as well, the point is that in the area there are now 4 factions and adding Galatia means 5 factions there.

And we have alot of areas on the map where there are none or just one faction.

Though Galatians would make for some great gameplay.:2thumbsup:

5 factions battling in Anatolia would be epic. I would love to invade as Rome and have an intelligent AI have the 5 factions unite to expel the Roman invaders with a combined army of hardened Galatians, elite phalanxes, swift chariots and armored cavalry against the best Romans I have to throw at them. If only.....

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Originally Posted by Alsatia

As I got the the completely useless award:shame: for my last thread, here is something for everyone to talk about. What suggested faction/s should be in EBII? There are only 10 slots so go debating. If I missed anything, I am so sorry.

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who is the trapodos?!?!?!?

Look it up.

Basically, a hellenic colony by the Black Sea, in Asia Minor. Trapezous is the name in-game.

Think it's supposed to be the city Trapezous.

edit: nevermind

Woah 31 people voted Judea!

Remember Stele 1#?

Jewish faction:
We know people love the Jews (Oh really?)and would want a Maccabean faction. Here is the deal though. The Maccabeans revolted a century after the game start. They would be an emerging faction which is something EB has decided not to have. If we did, you could bet Yuezhi would be in. Another thing is that the Jews would only control Judea and the consensus from reading sources is that the Jews would most likely be happy just to have Judea and not try to subjugate other nations or peoples, at least not on the scale that is in Total War games. We might add some more unrest to Judea, although the Jews seemed to have lived well enough under the Seleukids (before Antiochos IV of course) & Ptolemies before, as they were granted royal charters recognizing their rights.

My little baby is still leading though <3

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Originally Posted by Skullheadhq

Woah 31 people voted Judea!

Remember Stele 1#?

Jewish faction:
We know people love the Jews (Oh really?)and would want a Maccabean faction. Here is the deal though. The Maccabeans revolted a century after the game start. They would be an emerging faction which is something EB has decided not to have. If we did, you could bet Yuezhi would be in. Another thing is that the Jews would only control Judea and the consensus from reading sources is that the Jews would most likely be happy just to have Judea and not try to subjugate other nations or peoples, at least not on the scale that is in Total War games. We might add some more unrest to Judea, although the Jews seemed to have lived well enough under the Seleukids (before Antiochos IV of course) & Ptolemies before, as they were granted royal charters recognizing their rights.

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Probably we have a lot of jews here, stacking votes, and the ptolemaioi will not look the same of Judea belonged to.. well.... Judea.

Also, Kick the Belgae off the list, a occultus sig has been "uncovered". Martelus' sig has been found by Maion...

Don't mistake me for a jew, i'm not one.

EDIT: EPIC FAIL... :wall::wall::wall:

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Originally Posted by Alsatia

Probably we have a lot of jews here, stacking votes, and the ptolemaioi will not look the same of Judea belonged to.. well.... Judea.

Also, Kick the Belgae off the list, a occultus sig has been "uncovered". Martelus' sig has been found by Maion...

Don't mistake me for a jew, i'm not one.

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:laugh4: silly fans :laugh4:

I guess we have to take our source of entertainment from somewhere. So how's the preview on Judea coming along?

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Originally Posted by Hax

I guess we have to take our source of entertainment from somewhere. So how's the preview on Judea coming along?

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Fine we just finished the modelling of Herodian horse archers. But it's probably the Ekatontamachoi who'll steal the show. And it's very cool on how we'll represent the influence of the priest in the core mechanics. But I'll leave the details for the preview.:egypt:

Wait, so you did ditch the zealot fanatics? Agh, that's a shame, with their AP Candelabrum.

Jew Power FTW
http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Index-Jews-Jaws.jpg

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Originally Posted by Skullheadhq

Jew Power FTW
http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Index-Jews-Jaws.jpg

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I think some people here have EOWJS.:no:

I see that the nabataean faction gets very little in the way of votes.

I also find it absurd how many people vote on factions that almost certainly won't be in EB2. I wonder how many actually read the FAQ's or faction manuals (the EB position towards factions). most mind bottling.

the fact that a staggering amount of people voted for the mauryan satrapy speaks volumes about popular demand, and its conflict with what EB most likely intends. this is not to say that I'm certain the maurya won't be in in any form, but unlikely.

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Originally Posted by Ibrahim

I think some people here have EOWJS.:no:

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EOWJS?
What's that?

Its hopeless to suggest the right factions when there were so many states and tribes around at that period.

I really hope for an Illyrian faction, as it is located between West and East Europe, so with such a location it would be fun a faction to play, because you could choose where to expand to. Also I believe one of the most largest Illyrian tribes were the Panonnians (who themselves were split in several tribes) and perhaps the most significant Panonnian tribe was the Segestani (A sort of Celto-Illyrian tribe) who built the city of Segestica (an important Illyrian Pre-Roman city) and fought back the Romans numerous of times.

Though there is a problem with an Illyrian faction and that is there that there is a lack with information about that region and at this period... but I still hope. :beam:

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Originally Posted by hekk

Its hopeless to suggest the right factions when there were so many states and tribes around at that period.

I really hope for an Illyrian faction, as it is located between West and East Europe, so with such a location it would be fun a faction to play, because you could choose where to expand to. Also I believe one of the most largest Illyrian tribes were the Panonnians (who themselves were split in several tribes) and perhaps the most significant Panonnian tribe was the Segestani (A sort of Celto-Illyrian tribe) who built the city of Segestica (an important Illyrian Pre-Roman city) and fought back the Romans numerous of times.

Though there is a problem with an Illyrian faction and that is there that there is a lack with information about that region and at this period... but I still hope. :beam:

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Welcome to the .Org, Hekk
An Illyrian faction would be nice indeed, but then again, there is a little less known about them at that era. But if there would be info, there would still be 2 provinces in Illyria, which is a bit less, don't you think. And even if they would be in, they would be steamrolled by the Epirotai in 270 BC.
So I don't think it's that a good idea, but if they take one province from Ireland (or ditch the whole British Isles) the Illyrians could be in.

Pergamon only has one province, so I don't think that is a reason not to include them. Not much is known about them? Well same goes for the Saba or Casse, both are still included.

And Epeiros already has the Romans, Macedon and The Koinon Hellenon to worry about. Illyria could be a good faction if they find a way to include their (profitable) piracy.

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Originally Posted by Ibrahim

the fact that a staggering amount of people voted for the mauryan satrapy speaks volumes about popular demand, and its conflict with what EB most likely intends. this is not to say that I'm certain the maurya won't be in in any form, but unlikely.

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Honestly, an Hellenico-Indian satrapy on the far eastern fringe of the map would be badass. Probably one of the first faction I'd play.

But, as said numerous times, it can't be done due to the hardcoded cultures limit.

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Originally Posted by Meneldil

Honestly, an Hellenico-Indian satrapy on the far eastern fringe of the map would be badass. Probably one of the first faction I'd play.

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= Baktria, well except for the satrapy thing. And an Indian faction would add alot indeed! Yet many members have spoken against such an idea so I doubt whether it will be in.

Then again you make history after the start date so the future of such a satrapy could never be known gamewise.

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Originally Posted by Meneldil

Honestly, an Hellenico-Indian satrapy on the far eastern fringe of the map would be badass. Probably one of the first faction I'd play.

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maybe, but culture limits are a problem, and the EB policy that, where possible, have all the borders of an empire (steppe faction Saka are an exception). that and the fact that you need to make room in the EDU and DMB for the guard units, specialized elephant units, and later era units.

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Originally Posted by Ibrahim

I also find it absurd how many people vote on factions that almost certainly won't be in EB2. I wonder how many actually read the FAQ's or faction manuals (the EB position towards factions). most mind bottling.

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Quite tempted to make a new poll without the definatley excluded factions, probably will.

If no one would dare, I will mod Colchis but I am very poor on modeling.
I hope team will leave a space for a faction that moders may add later.

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Originally Posted by Atraphoenix

If no one would dare, I will mod Colchis but I am very poor on modeling.
I hope team will leave a space for a faction that moders may add later.

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Doubtful. I think the EB team may likely use up all the slots.