Re: Most boring faction to play as
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ARCHIPPOS
there was a thread abt making EB more rewarding... weeeeeell i find fighting your battles with low tech armies as a turn-on... i mean sure i like cool-ass elite infantry units, heavy cavalry, elephants etc to feed the megalomaniac in me but during the begining and middle game you can hardly afford many (if any ) of that stuff... fighting with decent "mediocre" troops makes you become all the more resourceful and carefull ... and the victories taste sooooooo sweet :yes::yes::yes:
well, it was more bitter than sweet. the casualties were so high, and I was so far from any retraining center, that I had to disband the thrid army's core units, and start all over (I have 1st, 2nd, and 3rd; 1st is on its way to petra, fresh from taking Oman; 2nd is in Memphis and to the west (its overstreched), and 3rd is a series of little garrisons from Alexandria to Diospolis-megale, now that its been shattered:shame:
at least I took all of egypt-the question is now: can I hold it against the ptolemaian hordes?
Re: Most boring faction to play as
Well, as Saba you have to win lots of heroic victories or else perish.
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Pah, filthy desert mokeys. I hate them poking their noses when I meddle around the Levant, Bostra (?) always seems to rebel to them along with a goddamn fullstack.
Maion
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Yeah, they are really pesky! Countless times did they attack Bostra, until I was fed up and sent an army down to take care of them. I pillaged their country twice, twice I conquered their territories. I destroyed everything, but do they vanish into oblivion? No. They took Homna from me when the civil war ravaged the Arche. I gifted Qataban to the Kingdom of Axum (tffka Qarthadast), hoping these would eat them up. But now the Sabaeans are about to deprive the Axumites of their city even!
The Third Sabaean War will deal an end to them. :skull:
Re: Most boring faction to play as
Koinon Hellenon - despite having a certain fondness for them, their roster is bland, boring and terribly anachronistic and weak. Nothing like a pike phalanx when you're playing Hellenes, and that's what they lack the most. And cavalry, especially cavalry.
Sweboz - Terrible.
Saba - Never went past turn one.
Ptolemaioi and Seleucids - Big Empires, not fun.
Karthadastim - I'm better off destroying them than commanding them.
The Best:
Romani, Arverni, Makedonia, Epeiros, Casse, Sauromatae, Baktria.
EDIT - The order above is my order of preference. The important aspect to notice is that I was never fond of pike phalanxes either, despite finding them a necessary evil for Successor states; my favourite part is the Successor Cavalry, otherwise the flexible and fast heavy infantry of the Romani and Gauls eats them for breakfast all the time.
Re: Most boring faction to play as
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Maion Maroneios
Pah, filthy desert mokeys. I hate them poking their noses when I meddle around the Levant, Bostra (?) always seems to rebel to them along with a goddamn fullstack.
Maion
yeah, you can beat us up, but we will never really be beat (in the EB world).
unlike some other greekssakgfaeirkajf *cough*
Re: Most boring faction to play as
It seems like everybody thinks (x) faction is boring because they can't play it like their favorite faction. :stupido:
Of course you can't play Saba like you play the Gauls. Or Casse like you play AS.
If you play them according to their strengths and not an all-encompassing game rulebook, it is quite interesting.
I'm a big fan of variety, so I like the Saba just because their placement, units, and EVERYTHING is way different from everybody else.
And having gigantic Ptolemoi to fight against first is quite... interesting.
The Casse are fun in the beginning because you're losing tons of $$$, so you have to get rid of some stuff. And once you do THAT, you have juuuuust enough troops to take one of the eleutheroi cities. This is quite difficult just because of your limited army size, but if you pull it off you feel soooo good.
Plus, when I did my Casse campaign, I ran over to the baltic and took Scandinavia. :2thumbsup: That made it interesting.
Anyways, I think the most boring faction is the eleutherio. :clown:
HAIL BARTIX!
Re: Most boring faction to play as
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Ibrahim
greekssakgfaeirkajf
:inquisitive:
Maion
Re: Most boring faction to play as
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Ariovistus Maximus
It seems like everybody thinks (x) faction is boring because they can't play it like their favorite faction. :stupido:
Of course you can't play Saba like you play the Gauls. Or Casse like you play AS.
If you play them according to their strengths and not an all-encompassing game rulebook, it is quite interesting.
I'm a big fan of variety, so I like the Saba just because their placement, units, and EVERYTHING is way different from everybody else.
And having gigantic Ptolemoi to fight against first is quite... interesting.
The Casse are fun in the beginning because you're losing tons of $$$, so you have to get rid of some stuff. And once you do THAT, you have juuuuust enough troops to take one of the eleutheroi cities. This is quite difficult just because of your limited army size, but if you pull it off you feel soooo good.
Plus, when I did my Casse campaign, I ran over to the baltic and took Scandinavia. :2thumbsup: That made it interesting.
Anyways, I think the most boring faction is the eleutherio. :clown:
HAIL BARTIX!
Amen brother... :cool4:
Re: Most boring faction to play as
Personally I've really enjoyed my Saba campaigns... You really appreciate every soldier, and the family members have to fight immediately or you will lose. Additionally I found myself really appreciating levy phalanxes and Ethiopian spearmen - neither of whom would be exceptional units in a powerhouse roster. Saba is not a boring campaign at all - it is not about creating an empire, but rather it is about surviving, and maybe conquering Ethiopia and India... I do look forward to Saba's evolution in EB2!
My Votes for boring would be Sauromatae, Casse, and Sweboz. Sauromatae are spread out, and they have no real infantry units. Therefore your campaign will be almost exclusively about cavalry units, which holds limited appeal to me - in contrast, Saka can conquer India and get access to some really amazing native units, as well as some impressive regional infantry in the Baktria/selucid areas. Sauromatae's redeeming aspect is that they border a huge area potentially, and they have a legitimate reason to war with 9 or 10 different factions who have very different cultures (so very different battles and wars).
Casse is a challenging campaign, but they face no real external threat. They should start with Belgium at least (for gameplay purposes) or perhaps one of the Celtic tribes should control a piece of Britain. Unfortunately that may be ahistoric, but I hope EB2 adds another faction on the islands (Goidils, or Caledonians maybe) which would spice up the Casse campaign nicely.
Sweboz - I suppose that this is a matter of taste, I prefer Saba, you prefer Sweboz (speaking to no one in particular), but the campaign is similar in a sense. Sweboz are a bit isolated, and their units are not that impressive. Most importantly all of the battles are in the forest, so not a lot of diversity there. I am sure that you can make this campaign very interesting, but isn't that true of all of of EB's factions?
What is noteworthy about my three choices is that none of them border the Mediterranean or Black sea. I am not a fan of playing empires, and I am well aware of the similarity of the various hellenic and Eastern factions, but IMO if you can reach the sea at the center of the world, you won't have a boring campaign...
Re: Most boring faction to play as
Actually, the only boring part of a Saba campaign is the endless battles and sallies against countless horribly imbalanced (as in: Phalanx only...) Ptolemaic and AS armies.
By the way, Saba can recruit Galatikoi Kleruchoi, Indian Guild warriors, and three types of Elephants. And their version of Pantodapoi Phalangitai looks cooler to me than those of the other factions.
Re: Most boring faction to play as
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athanaric
Actually, the only boring part of a Saba campaign is the endless battles and sallies against countless horribly imbalanced (as in: Phalanx only...) Ptolemaic and AS armies.
By the way, Saba can recruit Galatikoi Kleruchoi, Indian Guild warriors, and three types of Elephants. And their version of Pantodapoi Phalangitai looks cooler to me than those of the other factions.
I;ve been using those lately.
but I still want those elephants; how do I train them? whatgevernment is required? I, II, III, or IV?
Re: Most boring faction to play as
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Ibrahim
I;ve been using those lately.
but I still want those elephants; how do I train them? whatgevernment is required? I, II, III, or IV?
You need lvl 4 regional MIC for Pilei Ya'ar Libim (the small ones) and lvl 5 regional MIC for Elephantes Liboukoi (the Bush Elephants). IIRC, Indian Elephants require lvl 4 regional MIC. Thus, Type IV government is probably the best for elephants.
By the way, be careful when using the Elephantes Liboukoi. Although they are at least as powerful as the Indian Elephants, their morale is extremely low (4, which is less than half of that of Arab slingers). Fortunately, government types III and IV come with a +1 experience bonus for Saba.
Re: Most boring faction to play as
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athanaric
You need lvl 4 regional MIC for Pilei Ya'ar Libim (the small ones) and lvl 5 regional MIC for Elephantes Liboukoi (the Bush Elephants). IIRC, Indian Elephants require lvl 4 regional MIC. Thus, Type IV government is probably the best for elephants.
By the way, be careful when using the Elephantes Liboukoi. Although they are at least as powerful as the Indian Elephants, their morale is extremely low (4, which is less than half of that of Arab slingers). Fortunately, government types III and IV come with a +1 experience bonus for Saba.
thanks! *goes off to save the war effort*
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I honestly like Saba a lot, very challenging and a good starting position.
Baktria has a very good endgame but the first couple of turns are very boring.
Re: Most boring faction to play as
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Ibrahim
thanks! *goes off to save the war effort*
Dude, wait! You still haven't told me what "greekssakgfaeirkajf" means!
*runs behind Ibrahim hoping to catch up*
Maion
Re: Most boring faction to play as
Most boring faction to play:
Sauromatae and Romani
Sauromatae because of the huge distances between their settlements
Romani: Because you're at 255B.C the Bill Gates of the ancient world and steamroll all faction with your moneyz.
