The Thirty Years War [Concluded]

What blasphemy is this!? My god is Allah, and all praise him! Muhammed, blessed be his name, is a prophet, and the best one at that!

That's it, I call Jihad with my 11-piety Imam!

spainards like the portugese, yeah i said it. Come at me dawg.

But all Catholic factions must rely on the same base units! So in essence, you're all copies!

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

spainards like the portugese, yeah i said it. Come at me dawg.

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...your going to have to explain that to me.

You don't play M2?

:jawdrop:

well i just finished james clavells shogun. and in the book is a portugese who is literally about to kill the main character when he calls him a spainard. So i assume the hate goes both ways.


anyway...... try this one. You enjoy searching people spanish style....... (if this doesnt work im leaving the obscure jokes arena)

I have played it but not as the spanish or portugese.

Their rosters are exactly the same until late era.

So... wheres the insult?

look up the phrase search you like a spainard.

I dont realy see what's so insulting about a tourist guide

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Umm... Perhaps this game drifted a bit off topic? :oops:

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Seriously though, has this game even technically started?

I haven't had the chance to send out PM's with all the stuff about this game. But I assure you they will be sent later today. I will let you know when the game "officially" starts(unofficially it already did:beam:).

Now, I want to show Your starting territories:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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F - Fort
P - Port
C - City
Flags - Armies(Navies will be represented with flags on Sea later)
All those white hexes represent neutral provinces. You can easily conquer them but it would be nice if you could at least think some IC reason why you occupied them.

I'll send PM soon.

P.S. I thought that perhaps I can get 5-6 players. But 13 players suddenly makes everything so much complicated. For me, not to you of course. :beam:

I like how, of all nations, the Ottomans and Russians have no armies.

Didn't Spain control Milan at this time, IIRC?

They were later add on factions just to balance things. Otherwise Austria could easily destroy Transylvania and then the whole Balkan and Anatolia would've been easy prey. That's why I added Muscovy as well - Poland and Sweden could have conquered the whole Eastern-Europe.

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Didn't Spain control Milan at this time, IIRC?

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Yes, they did. However , for the sake of gameplay balance(and to let Savoy at least live longer than 2 turns) I made it "neutral". I sound like Creative Assembly :sweatdrop:

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Originally Posted by A Very Super Market

I like how, of all nations, the Ottomans and Russians have no armies.

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Even worse for me, there is an army right at my border and my only goal in the entire is to unite the Netherlands.

I mean, I could offer a generous offer to Spain like "give me those territories, I will manage them and run them, and I will share the taxes 50/50 with you." But I doubt they would accept that. :sad:

No armies, cities, forts, or ports.

:(

Curse this cold.

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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

However , for the sake of gameplay balance(and to let Savoy at least live longer than 2 turns) I made it "neutral". I sound like Creative Assembly :sweatdrop:

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We'll just call you Ibn-CAdun. :laugh4:

Hey don't worry about it man, I'm very impressed with what you have put together, as I'm sure everybody else is. A one man CA game would have 2 factions, no armies, no map and would be decided by a single die roll.

Beskar - Firstly, You don't know how big that army is.
Secondly, enemy units can't enter adjacent hex of city(and fort).
Spain needs Siege Artillery before they can attack you.~;)

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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

Beskar - Firstly, You don't know how big that army is.
Secondly, enemy units can't enter adjacent hex of city(and fort).
Spain needs Siege Artillery before they can attack you.~;)

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And look at what else Spain has to deal with, you can focus all your efforts on one task, waiting for one mistake. Poor old Spain has to look over both shoulders, under the bed, in the closet, behind the curtains and still might be caught out.

Dont worry about it beskar I'm not interested in your neck of the woods... yet.

Let the diplomacy begin! Who wants England as a friend?

I-K, the economic and public order maps we can ask for, I take it they are for our regions only and not the entire map?

This is outrageous! I have one of the largest nations in the world, and you don't consider Jerusalem, Cairo, Damascus, and Antioch cities!? And where the hell are my armies? Fighting in India!?

That's it, Russia, we need to start The Coalition of Nations That Could Totally Kick Everyone's Ass if they Only Had an Army. Or TCONTCTKEAITOHAA or short.

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Originally Posted by Cultured Drizzt fan

Let the diplomacy begin! Who wants England as a friend?

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Nobody ever wants England as a friend, they might ally out of necessity...

* Idly twiddle thumbs and waits to rebel.

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Originally Posted by johnhughthom

Nobody ever wants England as a friend, they might ally out of necessity...

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:angry: Well, guess who just hurt England's Feelings.

Aww, did the little Duchy of Savoy hurt big, bad Englands feelings? Shouldn't you be off opressing the Irish, rather than worrying about proper European politics?:whip:

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Originally Posted by johnhughthom

Aww, did the little Duchy of Savoy hurt big, bad Englands feelings? Shouldn't you be off opressing the Irish, rather than worrying about proper European politics?:whip:

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:brood: gee I hope you don't end up regretting those words in the future Savoy.

I hold grudges.

Oh noes! Whatever will I do, I have France to my west, Spain to the north and potentially coming up the southeast... :inquisitive: :sweatdrop: :idea2:


Hey England, buddy, how are you? That little bit of Savoyard humour didn't really hurt your feelings did it? :laugh4:

Do I have to invade Malta before I can get Atlantic Trade taxes? And then lose to a Scotsman?

Whuh-whuh-whuh?

Malta is a worthless rock. Even us non-factions know that.

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Originally Posted by johnhughthom

Oh noes! Whatever will I do, I have France to my west, Spain to the north and potentially coming up the southeast... :inquisitive: :sweatdrop: :idea2:


Hey England, buddy, how are you? That little bit of Savoyard humour didn't really hurt your feelings did it? :laugh4:

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Thats what I thought you said :brood: You want to talk about it Via PM?




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Double A, I think you mean Gibraltar, not Malta. Although both are useful military naval ports.

Just a question, what are the rules in regards to the NPC's? (the white areas in the map)

Are you playing them yourself, Ibn?

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Originally Posted by Cultured Drizzt fan

Thats what I thought you said :brood: You want to talk about it Via PM?




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Double A, I think you mean Gibraltar, not Malta. Although both are useful military naval ports.

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When I said Malta, I meant Malta.

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Originally Posted by A Very Super Market

Whuh-whuh-whuh?

Malta is a worthless rock. Even us non-factions know that.

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Did anyone on this forum play Age of Empires III?

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Originally Posted by Double A

When I said Malta, I meant Malta.



Did anyone on this forum play Age of Empires III?

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ohh ok, Thought you must have meant Gibraltar because Malta is not bordered to the Atlantic, so you could not get the trade bonus from it.

Ok can someone send me all the relevant info to me? I can't download the stupid .rar on my Mac because they can't do anything productive unless you pay extra money, and both times I tried to download it and then open it on my hp it said "Medieval 2 Total War suffered a fatal error and must close"

I played AoE3. I remember the siege. How does Atlantic trade factor into that? :drop:

Malta is a nice military base for a Mediterranean war (With flying machines, no doubt) but what good is it for trade?

Wait, what? M2 crashed for no reason?

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Originally Posted by Double A

Ok can someone send me all the relevant info to me? I can't download the stupid .rar on my Mac because they can't do anything productive unless you pay extra money, and both times I tried to download it and then open it on my hp it said "Medieval 2 Total War suffered a fatal error and must close"

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Download "Stuffit expander" and set it to work on RARs and Zip files,

I had the same problem but when I looked at the preferences for the program it allowed me to do that.


It's also free IIRC, and works on my mac just fine.

No I got a message saying it crashed, even though I didn't even have it up the second time.

The Malta thing was a joke :smash: Oh course I don't want Malta! It's the worst island in the Mediterranean to control! It's like 2 villages and a small castle.

Hey... since I'm on the Persian Gulf and Red Sea, can I trade with India and Persia?

I have a question. How do we determine what number a specific hex is? :sweatdrop:

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Originally Posted by spL1tp3r50naL1ty

Download "Stuffit expander" and set it to work on RARs and Zip files,

I had the same problem but when I looked at the preferences for the program it allowed me to do that.


It's also free IIRC, and works on my mac just fine.

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Yes it worked! You get a cookie!

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Since a few people keep asking who/who is, I decided to label the map to make it easier.

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Originally Posted by johnhughthom

I-K, the economic and public order maps we can ask for, I take it they are for our regions only and not the entire map?

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No, not entire map. You can see whatever you have found out with spies and whatever info you got from your allies. Of course you also can see hexes you control.

Soon the first 4 will get their PM's. Sry for taking this long but it's my first time to host a game like this. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Cultured Drizzt fan

I have a question. How do we determine what number a specific hex is? :sweatdrop:

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You start counting from left to right and from up and down.

So, French city is on hex 14.

Hope this makes sense.

Edit: Also, take it slowly! You have 2-3 days to do your diplomacy and I think it might take 2 days for me to get through all these PM's.

And most of all.. YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR PM'S YET! :laugh:

I thought Centurion1 was Brandenburg, to be honest

Ibn was facepalming because I already arranged a couple of trade agreements. :sweatdrop::2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

You start counting from left to right and from up and down.

So, French city is on hex 14.

Hope this makes sense.

Edit: Also, take it slowly! You have 2-3 days to do your diplomacy and I think it might take 2 days for me to get through all these PM's.

And most of all.. YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR PM'S YET! :laugh:

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cool So would that mean that hex 20 in The England territory would be the western most tip of England? (and also at the bottom.)?

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Originally Posted by Cultured Drizzt fan

cool So would that mean that hex 20 in The England territory would be the western most tip of England? (and also at the bottom.)?

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

Yes.

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Excellent, I think I got this then.

Ok I just read the manual, and are you saying that Russia and Turkey don't have cavalry? So I guess Cossacks and Spahis never existed :brood:

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Originally Posted by Double A

Ok I just read the manual, and are you saying that Russia and Turkey don't have cavalry? So I guess Cossacks and Spahis never existed :brood:

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he said that some provinces have special units, wanna bet if those are one of em? :laugh4:

:clown:

Well they had better be, or I'll unleash my Jihading Janissary Jiants on the west.

crap why does saxony have to be right next to austria.....

It's ok, the Austrians think your country's name is Sparta. You're safe.

Until my Janissarys reach you BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

gah finally figured out how to download that file (thanks cdf)

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

gah finally figured out how to download that file (thanks cdf)

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:bow: Your welcome.

No matter how many times I look at the map, I only count 14 sea provinces.

1) Black sea
2) Holy lands sea & Agean
3) Part of the Med between Sicily and Crete
4) Adriatic
5) M2 Vanilla Sicily's base of operations
6) More Med Sea
7) Spanish sea?
8) French sea?
9) English channel
10) Huge part of the Atlantic
11) The Between England and Scandinavia Sea
12) Balderic Sea
13) North Sea
14) Colder than Russia Sea

Atlantis! :clown:

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Originally Posted by Double A

It's ok, the Austrians think your country's name is Sparta. You're safe.

Until my Janissarys reach you BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

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I said that there are almost 15 Sea regions~;)

Trust me, you have cavalry. :yes:

And the BIG 4 got their PM's.

Only 9 other PM's to go. :wall:

Ah, of course! http://www.twcenter.net/forums/image...ns/mad0218.gif

Wait, I don't understand how you count Hex's.

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Originally Posted by Subotan

Wait, I don't understand how you count Hex's.

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You start at the top left most hex in a province. That is Hex 1. the hex to the right of it is Hex 2, and so on till you reach the end of that row. say the province is 3 hex's thick.


it would go....

123
456
789

but because they are not always the same it would probably be more like

123
45
6789
101112

(each number is a hex BTW)



like that but with the map. And that goes for each and every province you have.

I think I get it. You do it by column right? Also that would make Paris hex 13 not 14 in Ile-de-France, I think.

Could you also say which province the islands are in? I can make guesses, but not when they're equidistant.

And I have 1 more question, so say in province #10, could you have a fort on the hex on its border with 15a, a city on the 10 in the province, and a port west of both to make it a triangle so they all get each other's bonuses?

And that would be city hex 4, port hex 2, and fort hex 5, correct?

Oh right, thanks. Question; is the Hex that corresponds to Calais Hex 1 or Hex 6?

Which territory is Calais? If it's in 8 I think it's one, but if its in 3c then its 12.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calais
So, the most Northern one in France.

By my count it is six. :yes:

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Originally Posted by Cultured Drizzt fan

You start at the top left most hex in a province. That is Hex 1. the hex to the right of it is Hex 2, and so on till you reach the end of that row. say the province is 3 hex's thick.


it would go....

123
456
789

but because they are not always the same it would probably be more like

123
45
6789
101112

(each number is a hex BTW)



like that but with the map. And that goes for each and every province you have.

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No, You go like this

147
258
359

I think I said it the wrong way then. :wall:

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Originally Posted by Double A

I think I get it. You do it by column right? Also that would make Paris hex 13 not 14 in Ile-de-France, I think.

Could you also say which province the islands are in? I can make guesses, but not when they're equidistant.

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Those 1 hex islands north of Scotland belong to Scotland.
1 hex island near Sweden belongs to Sweden.
Baleares belong to Aragon
Sardinia and Sicily belong to Southern Italy.
Corsica belong to Milan.
Crete belongs to Greece.
Cyprus belong to Syria.

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Originally Posted by Double A

And I have 1 more question, so say in province #10, could you have a fort on the hex on its border with 15a, a city on the 10 in the province, and a port west of both to make it a triangle so they all get each other's bonuses?

And that would be city hex 4, port hex 2, and fort hex 5, correct?

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Yes, you can build them like that. However, remember that you can't build anything adjacent to enemy city/port/fort.

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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

No, You go like this

147
258
359

I think I said it the wrong way then. :wall:



Those 1 hex islands north of Scotland belong to Scotland.
1 hex island near Sweden belongs to Sweden.
Baleares belong to Aragon
Sardinia and Sicily belong to Southern Italy.
Corsica belong to Milan.
Crete belongs to Greece.
Cyprus belong to Syria.



Yes, you can build them like that. However, remember that you can't build anything adjacent to enemy city/port/fort.

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ohh OK. Also, you would not happen to have the economic maps done would you? :sweatdrop: Its fine if you don't. I get how something like this could be too huge to have everything all set now.


also wouldn't that mean the hex leftmost in England would be Hex 1, and not 20 like you said?

Economics map will be done soon. Ask it tomorrow. :yes:

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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

Economics map will be done soon. Ask it tomorrow. :yes:

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cool :yes: :2thumbsup: thanks Ibn.

I still have a few questions
1. How far can Armies move in a turn?
2. How long do turns last?
3. How does combat work?
4. How do you recruit soldiers?
5. If we have made a trade agreement, do we have to PM you?

Another question, how much does building a city/port cost and how long does it take?




You wondering what you've gotten yourself into yet I-K?:laugh4:

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Originally Posted by johnhughthom

Another question, how much does building a city/port cost

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$1000 :book:
You can name them too

Oh, i've answered my own question about how far they can move :sweatdrop: