That's why he said african american :pQuote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
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That's why he said african american :pQuote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
I personally believe it matters how the woman looks like or what race she is from.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
Or do you argue that there are no white women I could love that has a fascinating character, so I am bound to go black (and never go back?).
OF COURSE looks or race is not the most important matter in a long relationship, but hey, the relationship wont even start if she is not smoking hot. And white. Get my point?
I do not get turned on by black women. I do not want brown children. If anyone else wants black girls and kids not looking like him, then by all means go ahed! It's just not my thing.
I agree, I agree, but just remember that hip hop was born in a ghetto, so I can still blame the historic evil white man for impoverishing the blacks. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
On a more serious note, hip hop as a whole does not "subscribe to a culture that promotes misogyny, violence, and promiscuity" (nice statement), but for some strange reason, that particular branch of hip hop dominates the mainstream.
True, but the most popular kind does. For every one Common there are ten Soulja boys....and its not only the music, I would argue the music is more of a product of the urban street cultural which in turn was dissmanted throughout the rual south where it is now more of a "Life imatating art" thingQuote:
Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah
I don't want to subscribe to much power to the music because I will come off sounding like an old man. I also want to make it quite clear that the music itself does not make someone do something or behave a certian way.
I do think however, how blacks are portrayed in the media is a huge problem and that you can blame on Americas need for stereotyping.
Actually, it is more than the family, from what I have been led to believe as compared to Britain, especially when it comes to children.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
Not to flog the obvious horse, but unless you go through a South Korean cloning lab, your kids are not going to look like you. By definition. They're loaded up with 50% of somebody else's genome, the little traitors! Skin color is the least of it. What about teeth? Hair color? Foot size?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
A focus on miscegenated children is strange and misguided.
Yes, tehy are loaded up with 50% of someone else's genome...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
Would be sweet to have my daughter have my wifes nose and my chin...
Skin colour is quite another thing though!
And again, anyone who doesnt see that as a problem, go ahed. I just happen to do. Is that wrong? From my point of view it is a matter of personal appeal. Mind you, I am not saying it's WRONG to have sex between races (god knows I have). I don't even say it's wrong to have kids between races.
Again, if you like it, go with it. It's just.not.for.me.
@Strike I think we hit some common ground, man. Lucky for me, my people have a strong culture to embrace. I don't mean to sound racist or anything, but merely seek brush aside my ignorance: is hip hop the closest thing the blacks have to their own independant culture?
My skin's a tad bit too pale. Too much Metis blood, see? Must purify my line with a real woman, a strong-willed, red-skinned beauty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
Or maybe just go tanning instead. Whatever.
No and I don't want to make that impression. the big problems massive urban poverty combined with broken homes combined with an antiquated power strcuture which has out lived its usefullness. Blacks are all to often portrayed as entertainers or criminals in the media and that is also a problem. At a certain point life imitates art.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah
Modern hip hop is simply music and has no more bearing on culture than Marylin Mansons hard rock.
For our internet-challenged, DoD censored troops, a quick google is the least I can do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump
http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/Newsroom/...ssrelease.html
Yikes. :ahh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Centers Of Disease Control
That should be the first lesson in every sex-ed class.... with lots of pictures.Quote:
Originally Posted by drone
ehm no that is not what im implying at all. i was actually reffering to the common decency of how to treat women. which is something which has not been around for very long in the same fashion as it is now. im just hinting at the subjectivity of the point and the relativity of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger
he said black.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
well i can understand that u are more attracted to the people you grow up around which are usually of same race. but i dont see why the "race" should be more important than the actractiveness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
i mean u have hot ... girl and hot white girl, the first is nice the latter a *****. will you chose the latter because she is white?
the individual is holy... its funny cuz were all individuals by the millions of us. and we buy our individuality and identities in mass production slave labour shops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
In my ninth grade, I was known as "the swede in the ninth"... So no, the people I grew up with were not of the same race.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
When it comes to attractiveness..
I just dont find black people attractive... Asians and south americans I do find attractive, but the cultural difference is HUGE, 'specially with asian women.
I much prefer to corrupt a good ol' catholic girl...
Somewhat related to that point is an interesting cultural phenomenon I have noticed. Most black women in American entertainment do everything they can to look like white women.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y1..._banks-766.jpg
https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y1...9_1024_768.jpg
Those two could very well be white girls with heavy tans.
What does this say about our society... about our standard of beauty?
PJ, a very good point!
I very much hope people understand that I talk about personal preference, and not about a racistic view at large.
Hey, I wish I was turned on by black women, would have broadend my playing field (before I had my English rose).
But if you look at society at large, yes, black women are not as lucrative on the market as others. And from what I have seen, nor are black men (if anyone have other experiences please do share! I can only speak from a very personal standpoint, and from what I have read/seen/heard black men aren't exactly seen as a "catch" when it comes to intriducing your new spouse to the family, I would blame bigotry on this, and if not, well maybe they have some other reason, like statistics or whatever).
Hmmm... I forgot I was on an american forum with american standards!
Sorry for refering to black people as black people... But "afro-american" just don't jibe on an international board. And you can't really say africans as then you have to include people from, say, Tunisia or South Africa.
So let's go with "blacks".
The African character (Sheva Alomar) in Resident Evil 5 is hot.
I live in an area where there are no African-American women. So it's very unlikely that I'll date one anytime soon.
From what I've seen, Northern and Eastern Europeans, Central Asians, and East Asians have the most hottest women in proportion to their entire population. Particularly, Finland, Sweden, Slovenia, Poland, Czech Republic, Iran, Kazakhstan, Korea, and Vietnam have the prettiest women. It's ironic that these countries are some of the least known to the rest of the world. They don't do well in Miss Universe pageants either. These countries keep choosing women who are average looking in their own countries to participate in the pageant for some reason (maybe money or politics?).
It's not an American board. And the poll is about multi-racial relationships, the accompanying story is specifically about the plight of African American women. So if you are talking about your preferences, feel free to use black, or African. If you want to discuss why American women of African descent can't find life partners, use African American. Or black. Whatever. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
PJ raises a good point about women in entertainment. But I think a similar thing happens with Hispanic women (watch novellas on Telemundo for examples), so that could just be promoters and programming execs tainting the process with their prejudices.
I remember reading an article on the bolded part in the mid-90s. I didn't realize that it would come to a point in which African-American women would have a hard time finding a boyfriend. It sounds like a joke, but it's actually authentic since it's from The Economist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Furunculus
frankly i am with you on the whole black/ afro-american/person-of-colour knicker-twistiness, i have no time for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
black white asian whatever, i refuse to pander to the sensitivities of deeply inadequate people.
my apologies strike, i presumed (wrongly) that it was you that had caused PJ's comment to be edited (needlessly).Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Though at the same time, "whites" are not too keen to keep their "whiteness", rather they like to have some tan.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger
im not saying that you have to find black, asian, latinas etc attractive. im just saying (in general) that i believe that when you find the abstract epithet, race/religion/possibly even sexe/etc, more important than the reality, girl in front of you, in any way, you are not going about it the right way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
thats true for banks, much less for beyonce i believe but besides the point. somehow girls always want that what they dont have. curved girls want less curves, thin girls want more or less thin, straight hair wants curls and the other way around. pale girls want tan, tanned girls want pale, asian girls want to be white. etc. almost everywhite girl i know would spend ages on the beach trying to get a tan, knowing perfectly well the past thousand attempts ended in a burn. when i was in asia my friend was dumbfounded by all the whitening commercials showing skin from darker to paler. he thought it was stupid untill i told him that the excact same commercials of the same branch were shown in holland, but then the other way around. i know of girls in africa who try to bleach their skins... ignorant, but looking globally not a very uncommon phenomena, only in other parts of the world they have more sophisticated rescourses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
for men i guess its a bit different, i havent seen many men really try to be black or white, except that they might dress different... but i believe its stupid to say that armani suites belong to whites and every black who owns one wants to be white and that baggy pants are only for blacks and every white who wears one wants to be a ghetto black boy...
so the point made by PJ is again very subjective and relative and onesided. because there is also a tendecy of bottomlifting, bigger lips, showing curves, tanning etc. but ofcourse in a mixed society one can only suspect that there is a very wide scala of desires. and as a superstar to reach that wide audience they will try to meet everyones demand.
well ill let it slide. this time. because ive been saying whites. but dont make it a habbit. seriously, its important to phrase correctly. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
I think we should go with "pinkskins" when we describe ourselves.
(You get +1 balloon if you get the reference)
:balloon2:
I would argue allot of black women spend trying to live up to white beauty standards because its been drilled into there heads since they were kids that is whats "pretty"
It's not as though the desire of racial characteristics is a one-way street, anyway. Go visit Europe and you'll realize just how black American culture really is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Besides which, explain Michael Bolton and Joss Stone. Racial cross-pollination is going on all the time, and it ain't always a negative.
perhaps in america it is so. i can imagine it was so for the generations of 1900-1980s. it is not something i have witnessed here in holland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
It isn't a conscious decision, but if your children really don't look anything like you, then for some people it might be harded to see them as being their own children. Especially when you grow up in a very white dominated place like me, when your friends, family etc are all white, then you expect your own kids to be white as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
I think maybe some of it just might be a case of what you're used to. For example, half-black kids to me seem more 'normal' than half-Chinese kids would, and that may well be because you see a lot of half-black people, but very few half-Chinese people.
Europeans are for ever tanning themselves to be darker. Asians / Indians / Africans often apply materials to make their skin whiter. Europeans want small noses, Asians bigger. We curl our hair, African straighten theirs...
Women aren't happy with they way they look - however they look. A shock, I know...
~:smoking:
I don't understand Lemur. Could you expand?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
true, but it bothers me not at all. i dont care if my children are half this half that... as long as they are human, healthy and from the woman i love. and i actually believe that "mixed" children (which is actually bs, because all children are mixed as lemur says) to a good thing. or atleast not a bad thing. not per se good.
ah but not in the good old days when europeon women had dignity and wanted to be even whiter! forever white yah!!! to match the seed their husbands squirted upon them which they were not allowed to enjoy...Quote:
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk
Yes, as to be tanned = working in the fields and hence poor. Now to be pasty = unhealthy / ill. The other method would help as it fluoresces in UV light.
~:smoking:
oh oh so they can be glow in the dark and we can find them when they run away1!! good thinking.
And there's an option for you in the poll. Don't expect everyone to feel the same way, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
Ajax
i am slightly Asian but i identify as white (you would agree if you saw me) but let me just say how many half asian kids i now. and to validate the point let me point out i live on a navy base. once those filipinos, koreans, japanese latch there claws into you they dont let go.
and i think Asian babies are absolutely adorable.
Has Germany recovered from Hasselhof yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
They're white people singing like Black people, Strike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
i dont expect that. imj just trying to find out why they feel like that, why they care and i do not. i seek understanding not conversion. i mean i can understand you want your kids to look like you, but like lemur said i think skincolour attributes some of the least to that. you can have your kid look exactly like you but only darker, or fairer. and i also believe there is alot of prejudice about interracial mixing and taboo also which has to be broken. sofar i think the only negative things i can think about interracial mixing is social more than biological.Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaxfetish
Well skin colour is probably the main feature of a person's appearance, there is a very striking difference between a pale white person and a really dark black person. And it's not like its the only difference, black people do have different facial features etc.
These scars stay forever :shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
there is no point argueing here...
Black is not another shade of white ya. We are all the same species but there are differences and we all have preferences, I am not attracted to Asian types for example but black women oh yummie they are gorgeous. Caucasian brunettes for the win though, drive me nutsQuote:
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
Just incase no one got the reference, it was Star Trek Enterprise, when they met the Andorians (Blue skinned people) and they called humans "pink skins". What made it even more amusing, when they met the "black" crew member, and he still called him a pinkskin, same with the Asian crewmember, etc. I think it goes to show that we aren't too different afterall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
There are certain visual illusions which are culture dependent--people from one culture (because of the way the buildings are constructed there) literally see it in a very different way than people from another culture do.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
The point being, you're approaching attraction as if it's dependent on belief, but we might not have control over it to that extent.
no im not talking about attraction. i dont say that people can choose what or who they are attracted to. i dont think they can. im just trying to find out wether the reasons people give can hold. and im saying that those reasons shouldnt matter, all that should matter is are you attracted to this woman, are you in love with this woman and would you want children with her. why is not important.
What is there to argue? We're talking about things rooted in our subconscious here, you can't change them by the power of reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
Only Tom Cruise can, when he sees you, he knows, he can help!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
i was referring to hasselhof :P
Do black people sing a certian way now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
Of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Different anatomy means different skull bones, mouth shapes, and especially different vocal fold thickness, length, and elasticity. All etnic groups sound distinct as much as they look distinct.
So you're saying we can attribute these things to all different groups and have it be right 90% of the time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
I know you're making a point here but some people still beilve (as evidenced in this thread) that certian groups of people are more pre disposed to do something simply because of what skin color they were born into.
I am not sure people are disposed to much of anything because of their skin colour. People are very much disposed to a good deal of things based on their genetic make-up, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
For example: http://jslhr.asha.org/cgi/content/abstract/39/3/573
What is funny, is that distinct ethnic sounds are most pronounced at an early age, then gradually dissappear. White and Black voices of eighty-year olds are much more alike than those of twenty-somethings. Male and female voices too lose much of their distinction with old age.
You're muddiling the line between groups of people with shared gentics and "races"Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
your posts contradicts. and im not sure what u mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Sorry Strike, I was so out of it yesterday I didn't feel up to writing an essay on cross-cultural influence. Slightly better today, so I'l take a small stab:Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Black culture has had a massive impact on American culture. I think that's pretty obvious and undebatable. Whether it's the improv ethos of jazz, the syncopated rhythm, the adoption of words and phrases, fashion, etcetera. You can debate whether all of this influence is a good or a bad thing, but what you can't say is that it hasn't happened.
So it's easy to look at black women straightening their hair and dying it lighter and say, "Look, they're imitating the whites!" But that's a seriously incomplete picture. Black culture and white culture influence each other all over the damn place.
If America hadn't had black culture, here's what the hip cats would be listening to on a Friday night:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY2nXUUvwg4
Well, there is just one human race, so.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Look at a poodle and a german shepherd. Now look at a Nigerian and an englishman.
...Still believe there are more than one human race?
My dog's a sheltie-terrier-bordercollie mix. Very cute thing, gets all sorts of compliments from strangers when out on walks...Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
In 20.000 years, wolves became chihuahuas and great danes. Humans diverged from one group 60.000 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
The question is, why do you consider all people one single breed, and dogs diifferent breeds? Surely you acknowledge that different dog breeds have very different tempers, different intelligences, different character, different aggression levels?
By what mechanism are humans excempt from the evolutionary forces that govern the whole of nature?
Do social factors have no validity? I agree that negative biological effects are of little significance (though there are some genetic disorders with racial correlations to consider), but our society has a huge effect on us, not just our biology. Negative social effects are just as real as negative biological effects. Furthermore, as many others have said, this is mostly a subconscious phenomena, rather than a matter of choice. You seem under the impression that those who say they would marry within their race are attracted to other races, but choose to limit themselves to their own race nonetheless for the sake of social mores. I don't think this is accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
Ajax
no they do have validity. they are the only reason i can think of why people should actually consider wether or not they will have an interracial marriage.Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaxfetish
and about your second point. that is not what I am saying at all, it is what they are saying. im just trying to check wether the reasons they give are valid. all im saying that in case you are attracted to a woman, lets say the woman of your dreams, you should not not marry her for being of different race. i dont say people do. im just saying if.
wolves cant mate with chihuahuas. i think thats the reason why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
and i think horetore was being sarcastic.
I'm pretty sure you are wrong on that point. Dogs (Canis lupus familiaris) are technically a subspecies of wolf (Canis lupus), but there is not that much difference. If you can keep the wolf from eating the chihuahua (or any other domesticated dog), a viable mating is possible. Hybrids are fairly common. Same with coyotes and domesticated dogs.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
yeh yeh yeh white power!Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Maybe he's an afrocentrist?Quote:
Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah
Be careful, Louis! I've gotten in trouble for such dangerous thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
When did Louis become a mod!?
They made me moderator two weeks ago. I posted some drunk stuff in the Frontroom, and they offered me the choice of being instagibbed or 'volunteering' for mod services.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaka_Khan
If it's a pun for 'mod', the English subculture commonly mistaken for precursors of the skinheads, I wish I could say: a long time ago. Mods, like Megas did above, are mistaken for white supremacists. Not so, not at all:
Sartre-reading, existentialist beatniks with Italianate style. Throw in an uncompromising acceptance of the consequences of Darwin and it's me alright.Quote:
Sociologist Simon Frith asserts that the mod subculture had its roots in the 1950s beatnik coffee bar culture, which catered to art school students in the radical bohemian scene in London.[11] Steve Sparks, who claims to be one of the original mods, agrees that before mod became commercialized, it was essentially an extension of the beatnik culture: "It comes from ‘modernist’, it was to do with modern jazz and to do with Sartre" and existentialism.
Frith notes that although coffee bars were originally aimed at middle-class art school students, they began to facilitate an intermixing of youths from different backgrounds and classes.[12] At these venues, which Frith calls the "first sign of the youth movement", youths would meet collectors of R&B and blues records, who introduced them to new types of African-American music, which the teens were attracted to for its rawness and authenticity. They also watched French and Italian art films and read Italian magazines to look for style ideas.
When the check cleared at Tosa's bank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaka_Khan
I still think Tosa did it to put an end to the Louis/Strike confusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaka_Khan
Because we are not different species or breeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Yup, need to be careful when talking about breed, species or race. These are all flexible words with built-in imprecision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Why be careful same species different race. We instantly recognise a member of the same species, and we instantly see it when someone has a different genetic make-up. We can reproduce we are all homo-sapiens, but of different flavours.
I've heard that the differences between the different dog breeds are smaller than the differences between humans (at 06:32 in this very recent vid for your Norwegian reference; though I am not able to verify this. Their chimp-human comparison appears to be outdated). Also dogs might have been bred purely for looks, which perhaps could make small genetic differences more obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Species yes, but race and breed are comparable in some ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar