Shogun 2 Total War - confirmed

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Originally Posted by Lemur

You know, they really were not. I was Googling some info about STW and I came across quite a few reviews from the time; they all ding STW for sub-standard graphics. I guess STW's 2D sprites weren't as pretty as, I dunno, Starcraft's 2D sprites.

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STWs 2D sprites were used on an open 3D battle map. When sprites are scaling up and down (i.e. when you go zooming in) they look pretty poor, unless they're multi framed high res. The best sprites were the MTW infantry sprites (cavalry sprites were the wrong scale and looked even worse than the STW sprites). In a nutshell you can't really compare a 2D RTS/TBS to a 3D STW, because at that time 3D was not as polished as it is now due to graphics card limitation of the time (i.e. Voodoo3, ATI Rage and Nvidia TNT2, etc).

The game was stunning graphically at the time, it had a huge wow factor whenever you booted it up. Technology moves on and I don't agree with the reviewers who said they wernt.

What was the closest comparision at the time? Age of Empires games? Civ games? they were all below Shoguns graphics standard.

It was also the age of 56k modems the joy.

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Originally Posted by Sp00n

Age of Empires games? Civ games? they were all below Shoguns graphics standard.

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AoE and Civ were isometric games (i.e the same technology that ran Civ2, SimCity 2000 and many older DOS games), as were most RTS/TBS games of the time. Isometric games do not have any kind of scaling or 3D acceleration. This is why it's sensless to compare a game like STW with iso games like those, because such games are not OpenGL or Direct3D based anyway and were technologically well behond STW. The terrain detail in STW was quite complex for it's time and in big battles I remember my PC really starting to chug.

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Originally Posted by Asai Nagamasa

AoE and Civ were isometric games (i.e the same technology that ran Civ2, SimCity 2000 and many older DOS games), as were most RTS/TBS games of the time. Isometric games do not have any kind of scaling or 3D acceleration. This is why it's sensless to compare a game like STW with iso games like those, because such games are not OpenGL or Direct3D based anyway and were technologically well behond STW. The terrain detail in STW was quite complex for it's time and in big battles I remember my PC really starting to chug.

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I was talking in terms of game type comparision :), yes my PC chugged also in large scale battles 2v2 upwards.

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Originally Posted by Sp00n

I was talking in terms of game type comparision :), yes my PC chugged also in large scale battles 2v2 upwards.

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Yes I knew what you were saying, sorry I was just adding to it.

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Originally Posted by gollum

ad hominem attacks are my specialty ;)

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Ah Jesus, I like it when the old rat pack types get back together. It's a real throw back section here at the moment.

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

Some games from that age are timeless in the graphics, unfortunately, the battle map of MTW and STW is not.

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WHAT? You're telling me that 640X480 resolution doesn't look good on 25 inch monitors?

I never got to play the original STW. Can't wait to give this one a try.

...Although I may be cautious and wait long enough after release to read input here at the Org (If I can resist).

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Originally Posted by Asai Nagamasa

AoE and Civ were isometric games (i.e the same technology that ran Civ2, SimCity 2000 and many older DOS games), as were most RTS/TBS games of the time.

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To the average punter though, AoE looked a lot better.

Wow, the announcement brought back some really OLD Orgahs... 2001 join date, wow.

I can only drink to that. ~:cheers:

Well it's about time! The original STW was great but the engine is now way outdated and the Far East is long overdue a revisit.

However I would hope for a bit more than just the original 16th Century setting with eight clans. I'd personally love a "long campaign" that starts around the 12th Century (Horse & Bow Heroes!) and progresses taking in potential Mongol, Chinese and Korean rivals as well as tactical and weapon developments.

My two yen...(from another "oldie"(ish))

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Originally Posted by Gregoshi

Am I excited by what I read? YES I AM!!

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This. Sweet jesus I am beyond excited at this point, as long as they don't mess it up, will be quite fantastic. Always thought Medieval Japan had far more appeal than Rome, Medieval Europe, etc.

It would be nice if they could get Jeff Van Dyke back to do the music for Shogun 2. He composed all the Total War music for Shogun up through Med 2 and was originally listed as the music director for Empire, but evidently he and Creative parted ways before he composed anything----and personally I think Empire suffered for it. To me the music in Empire was simply lack luster with very little variation. The new additional music for Napoleon was quite a bit better---what there was of it.

The music of Shogun was a huge factor in the over all immersion of the game and will be hard to duplicate.

I'm looking forward to it although I wanted something with more artillery. I just love those big guns.

Well he is. Jeff Van Dyke is doing the music for S2TW according to this thread: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...un-2&p=2502461

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Originally Posted by Monsieur Alphonse

Well he is. Jeff Van Dyke is doing the music for S2TW according to this thread: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...un-2&p=2502461

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If true, that is very good news.