What would be different if there was no police

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Since when did you become 100% normal, get in line to deliver that doomsday argument

Did you notice by the way that you make less spelling mistakes when you are drunk

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I posted that at 1:45 in the afternoon.....

Sadly there is far too much of a difference.

There is almost no desire to learn from the best, to innovate or to engage staff in hospitals. Except when it is killing off competition in ways that in any other industry would get one referred for market distortion / cartel formation.

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Police officers are essentially a hybrid public/private security in the US. They work for companies, campuses, towns, counties, cities, states and the Federal government.

The common bond is that they tend to uphold both laws held in common and local ordinances. I'm not sure what the benefit would be of having a police force that was not beholden to the concept of equal justice for the people, but rather extra justice for the patrons.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

I posted that at 1:45 in the afternoon.....

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Never been drunk at that time?

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Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

Not so.

Currently all police forces are separate and have central oversight and standards. Keep these two as they are and the rest are private.

Many Public institutions go to private companies for training. As the private companies are accredited to train at a certain standard they then can undertake this.

You'd be amazed at how private companies manage to work together all the time. It's surreal. Cars are made. Foodstuffs are shipped to shops, buildings are created. All without the state needing to be in charge of ever stage to make it work. Some have even noticed that this is done more efficiently than if all were owned by the state - although in theory that should be impossible.

The whole point is that different areas do things slightly differently as opposed to the "one size doesn't fit anyone" approach. The forces would be far more likely to adapt and learn off each other.

"If a Supermarket makes a change to improve efficiency / services / profits within a week all the other supermarkets are doing it. If a Hospital makes a similar change, within a week all others are saying it's impossible / dangerous / counter-productive".

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I work in a private company.I dont need a lecture how private companies work. Please tell me how adaption only works in private sector? Maybe private sector should also train and provide militaries also, as they are superior to any public organisation by default? Public institutions do not have to be inefficient by nature. Also profit making and maintaining law is hardly a good combination.

I work in consultancy so I've got a pretty good idea of how many Private and Public services work.

The data - and there is a vast amount of is shows how much better the Private sector is on adapting on average. I'm not a idealist, I'm a pragmatist. I want a system that works, not one that is based purely on ideals.

Public sector doesn't make profit, and hence quickly becomes bloated and inefficient as why not?

Do you really have to reiterate the tired old hysteria that charges towards privatising everything as proving that it's a bad idea somehow mirrors what was actually being discussed.

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Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

I work in consultancy so I've got a pretty good idea of how many Private and Public services work.

The data - and there is a vast amount of is shows how much better the Private sector is on adapting on average. I'm not a idealist, I'm a pragmatist. I want a system that works, not one that is based purely on ideals.

Public sector doesn't make profit, and hence quickly becomes bloated and inefficient as why not?

Do you really have to reiterate the tired old hysteria that charges towards privatising everything as proving that it's a bad idea somehow mirrors what was actually being discussed.

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Are you now talking about UK or world wide? Profit in itself is not only way to create efficient organisations. Could it be that for example the problems in your police services might spring from too low public spending? Could it be that too big contrast between the salaries of public and private sector springing from low spending might result into most talented people going into private sector in UK?For example Finland where i live has for years and years been at the top of the lists of most efficient economies in the world, while we have a large public sector. If supported and monitored enough and thus made competetive a public organisation can be just as effective as a private one.

There are reasons why the essential organisations of society are by large handled by public organisations. A company trying to make profit geopardises equality, which governments should try to offer to citizens. Second private companies can go bancrupt and are unstable depending on the market, which does not apply to governments so easily. We cant loose our police forces because of a market crash. Last at certain fields making of profit just does not suite the role of a organisation. This applies directly to defence and police forces.

You can accuse me of hysteria against privatizing, but i might as well call you out of uncalled preaching about superiority of private companies compared to public organisations.