Re: Ah, the "Progressive Left"
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gaelic cowboy
The genetic map you show there actually proves my point just cos we define ourselves Celtic does not mean we are genetically Celtic.
But doesn't the map show Ireland to be further from the Germans/Dutch etc, with the UK being in between? Wouldn't that make Ireland more Celtic?
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gaelic cowboy
Most academic stuff I ever read or heard on telly posits the earlier genes survived and the local people merged or converted to a small more advanced iron working culture.
My guess but I cannot obviously prove it would be that iron gave the newer people an economic advantage as it would be easier to find and maintain than bronze which is expensive stuff due to it being an alloy or copper and tin.
Shortage of the alloys for bronze would have put pressure on there culture the more plentiful iron and the invention of charcoal allowed the more difficult casting of iron to become easier.
Don't worry I know you don't take it seriously I just noted it because other people read these forums and I am fascinated by all this stuff I especially love the economic and engineering side of history as they tend to piggyback each other.
Aye, I think there is a growing trend amongst archeologists/historians etc in realising that the supposed mass migrations that led to the mass displacement of the native people were in fact nothing like that - instead, the groups seem to have merged. Or as it turns out, it is now even more likely that there was very little migration at all, but instead there was a takeover at the elite level, which allowed the newcomers to impose their culture without reshaping the genetic pool.
I was taught last year by a professor who is poineering these ideas in regards to the kingdom of Dal Riata. Traditionally it had been thought that the Irish tribes replaced the native P-Celtic peoples (a mix of Pict and Brythonic around the relevant area of Scotland), however now it seems that all that happened was an Irish dynasty took over the leadership of the tribes, and that even then the cultural similarities were in fact the result of a much longer process of shared development between the peoples of Ireland and western Scotland (due to the fact we tend to see the sea as a divide nowadays, when in fact that was the best way to travel in those days given the inland geography).
So I think in the future we will see a lot of similar challenges to supposed mass migrations... whether of Gaels to Scotland, Celtiberians to Ireland, Saxons to England etc...
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Louis VI the Fat
The Celts are not descendants of Basque-related peoples. The Celts overthrew them.
Maybe there is some confusion here over whether a Goidil constitutes a Celt, but the common myth was that the Goidils that supposedly came over with Mil of Spain are those Basque people from Celtiberia with what some consider to be a Celtic culture. For Irish nationalists, the idea was that they were all descended from Mil of Spain, and that the earlier inhabitants were insignificant.
Earlier peoples like the Fir Bolg, which some have claimed had the characteristics of jet black hair etc, are now thought to be descended from the Belgae.
Re: Ah, the "Progressive Left"
Jesus in a handbasket does it really matter?
Re: Ah, the "Progressive Left"
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Strike For The South
Jesus in a handbasket does it really matter?
No it does not matter a bit in the slightest Strike hence most Irish people have not a clue of any of this Celtic/pre-Celtic lark at all at all.
However the problem is the loons run the agenda here in terms of race and culture and people are actually killed over it.
Re: Ah, the "Progressive Left"
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gaelic cowboy
No it does not matter a bit in the slightest Strike hence most Irish people have not a clue of any of this Celtic/pre-Celtic lark at all at all.
However the problem is the loons run the agenda here in terms of race and culture and people are actually killed over it.
All I know is the Irish would sooner drink the day away than put in honest hard labor.
Oh and they like potatoes.
Re: Ah, the "Progressive Left"
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Strike For The South
All I know is the Irish would sooner drink the day away than put in honest hard labor.
Oh and they like potatoes.
That is because drinking is serious business here Strike don't you know that well have none of yer oul American frat boy antics here thank you very much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYudr9FAGOA
Re: Ah, the "Progressive Left"
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The Stranger
wait, i might have made a mistake in my phrasing. the comment wasnt discriminating. and while it is racist in the sense that it indeed implies racial markers and differences (in which way making the distinction between that "white" man and that "black" man is also racist) it isnt racist in the way that tributes a certain attribute to a group (eg all negroes are lazy or all gingers are rodents)
But if a comment like that was made in association with a black men's curly hear they would squeeze out every drop of demonising potential. Nobody cares about the actual insult except youtube star Ginger Kid perhaps. It's the hypocrisy that's annoying.
Re: Ah, the "Progressive Left"
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Strike For The South
Jesus in a handbasket does it really matter?
The historical legends of the ethnic origins of small peoples on the edge of Europe is the single most significant, pressing, and relevant issue in the world today.
Re: Ah, the "Progressive Left"
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Fragony
But if a comment like that was made in association with a black men's curly hear they would squeeze out every drop of demonising potential. Nobody cares about the actual insult except youtube star Ginger Kid perhaps. It's the hypocrisy that's annoying.
i never said it wasnt hypocrite... i was just referring that the label discriminating was wrong. i think i have made that clear enough now :P
