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Do people think that each season will be a book? Like season 1 will cover the first book, the 2nd season will cover the 2nd book, and so forth.
I think so, but I think its going to be iffy. Right now, at the end of episode 7, they are at around page 450-500-ish. I think. Im not up to there yet but I think thats where episode 7 ends.
Supposedly A Storm of Swords (Book 3) is going to be split into two seasons. This makes a lot of sense, as that book is really friggin' long (IIRC, right around the length of the entire Lord of the Rings set).
[EDIT: replying to Hooahguy; GH got in before me!]Yeah, at the end of episode 7, we are on page 510 out of 780. That's 65%, close enough to 7/10, so I reckon we will see one book each season. However, it will be quite an achievement if a TV series of this expensive kind can sustain enough seasons to see the story through. Other series with long story arcs have started to sputter around the third or fourth season (I am thinking of things like Lost, the Wire, the West Wing, Babylon 5). They may decide to accelerate towards the end if that happens. This is all assuming the writer finishes the story, but then again, having a TV series following him might be the best possible incentive for him to bring things to a conclusion.
God I hope not; if he's got a deadline that is more than a request from his publisher he might end up rushing it, I'd hate to see ths series end with a half finished book.
at this point............... you know how long we have been waiting for storm of swords...... its depressing. Im pretty sure it used to be called dances with dragons
...Storm of swords is the third book. it's been out for years.
Uh, the new book is called A Dance with Dragons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Centurion1
EDIT: Beaten to it.
thats what i thought! damn another reason to reread it...... yes! and anyway you know what i meant.
plus i didnt realize storm of swords was that long. and he said dances with dragons was so long it may need two books
It did, the first half is allready out; A feast for crows.
i meant on top of that..............
I doubt it, dancing with dragons is already running with only half content, I dont think he will have to split in two again. But then again it's two months away, anything could happen.
Well, just finished A Feast For Crows. Time to go look through all of the spoiler posts from earlier. :book:
My opinion on Book #4:
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Just finished the first book, onto the second!
i couldnt wait any longer so i just ordered book 1-4 XD
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I refused to read AFFC until Dance with Dragons came out. They were both supposed to be one book originally, but the publisher forced Martin to split it and he seemed to peter out on the ensuing re-write.Quote:
Originally Posted by Centurion1
As I've said, I haven't read AFFC yet, but I think a big part of the reason people think it's slow going is because it's really just half of a book as it was originally envisioned. However, now that ADWD seems to be a sure thing, I might finally sink my teeth into AFFC.
Edit: Oh yeah, the series... The three episodes I've seen are all pretty good- but like Lemur, I think some off the grandeur has been lost in translation. Also, going by memory, I think HBO has placed more emphasis on the T&A than was in the books- but hey, it's HBO so I'd expect no less. :shrug:
haha start reading a affc adwd comes out in about a month or so.
Just a wee bit behind you, 100 pages to go. I'm really seeing why people said Dragon Age:Origins was influenced by the series, not just the Sers and the like, so many incidental details make me think of DA:O. I am enjoying it but I don't think it's quite as good as made out. Tyrion is awesome though, I haven't been so intrigued by a character in a book in a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooahguy
was DA really influenced by it? I didnt really think so.
Episode 8 was fantastic. Loved how they portrayed Barristan Selmy's indignation to his dismissal.
Though I worry how they will finish everything in two more episodes. Theres a lot more to the story, and I dont feel that episode 8 covered enough "ground" if you know what I mean.
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I think they've had maybe two more scenes of notable T&A&boning that weren't in the book so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
However, they've had to cram more and more into each episode as it goes on and it's only going to become more difficult. My head would be spinning from the latest one if I hadn't read the books.
Yea, I think its two. One is when Theon was doing it with that prostitute, the other when Littlefinger was telling those two girls who about him and Cat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good
no the two i really know aren't in the books are the renly and loras one which disgusted me (as it would most men) and also shocked me for being so grossly vulgar and the theon one like you said. Im not sure about the littlefinger one but it at least is totally more believable. Also viserys one may be extra (i tihnk thats danys brother?)
HBO has to fill its sex and nudity quota anyway.
anyway i need to reread them all names and places are starting to blur. i have all of them but am waiting on the library for game of thrones since i cant find it since we moved.
Oh yeah, forgot about those two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Centurion1
So that brings it up to four.
Eh, I view it as a useful shortcut for the whole Renly + Loras thing that was never explicit in the books. The show simply doesn't have the time for outright subtly, so they use the explicit scene to convey information that becomes more important much later on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Centurion1
I guess the Visarys one is also non-canon, though I thought it was clear Vis did a lot of whoring with Dothraki slaves, including at least one of Dany's servants.
EDIT: They also didn't show Ned and Cat going at it which is in like the first or second of one of their POV chapters, so the show is also one short. :D
i never thought the renly loras thing was that blatant!
It wasn't, but they don't have the time to just hint at it for four seasons...
Maybe I was not paying attention or maybe I am just not "most men", but I don't recall anything memorable about that scene except that the Loras got his shirt off and appalled Crazed Rabbit at his apparent state of under-nutrition. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Centurion1
I'm continuing to read the first book after watching the show and continue to be impressed at the adaption. The additions to the book are nearly always understandable ways of explaining the story - for example, I liked the Tywin/Jaime deer-skinning scene. The Littlefinger girl-on-girl action was a little over the top though and seemed the only false note so far. And dramatically, his betrayal would have been better coming more out of left field (still caught me by surprise though). The subtractions from the book are usually judicious, although I regret we did not get the Sansa/Hound scene where he explained how he got his scars. Those are two interesting characters that are a little under-used so far and the scene would have added to them. We did find out about the scars third hand and get a small Sansa/Hound scene yesterday, but it was not as good as the original.
My favorite exchange of last night's episode was not in the book, but showed the strengths of the pithy TV adaption. Ned was in chains in the dungeon, visited by Varys.
Ned: "Who do you really serve?"
Varys: "The realm, of course - someone has to."
For a moment, Varys morphed into Sir Humphrey from "Yes, Minister".
i lve the hound.
anyway im just going to put it on the table econ............. he gave him a blowjob. it wasn't subtly implied it was blatant.
I'm pretty sure that bit was in the book, maybe abit more fleshed out but it was there.Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
I didn't mind the scene at all, but I don't think it was there just to show that they were banging. Wasn't it made pretty clear during the earlier tournament scene that the two were together? I think it was more about establishing the power dynamic between the two (I won't begin to try and remember their names), with the non-noble one pushing the less ambitious potential heir to try and take the throne.Quote:
Originally Posted by Centurion1
The girl on girl scene was a bit more problematic, only because my roommate's mother happened to stop by to visit while he was out and decided to wait on him to return. She walked in right before the scene and after some small talk she noticed that I had the show paused. She asked me about it and I told her how well done it was and how much I liked it and she told me to start it up and she would watch it with me while she waited. Longest. Scene. Evar. :no:
She pretended that she needed to collect his dirty laundry in his room to do a wash and left near the end of it. (He does his own laundry.)
they are both noble. Loras the young "pretty boy" is the son of one of the most powerful houses in westeros.
i didnt mind the scene so much because it was gay. such a scene would have bothered me the same if it was heterosexual. i just dont like sex in my movies and tv because it can make things awkward and i feel it is often tasteless and for horndogs watching or shock appeal. sex is sometimes needed to be shown but it can be done more tastefully.
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Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger
Meh, reality>tastefully done IMOQuote:
i didnt mind the scene so much because it was gay. such a scene would have bothered me the same if it was heterosexual. i just dont like sex in my movies and tv because it can make things awkward and i feel it is often tasteless and for horndogs watching or shock appeal. sex is sometimes needed to be shown but it can be done more tastefully.
reality does not equal pornographic hbo sex............
It was in the books, it's certainly not a deviant act, etc
All I'm going to say as the thread doesn't need to go in this direction
lol no it was not in the books.
Well played sir, well playedQuote:
Originally Posted by Centurion1
lol i understand your point though. i just dont enjoy it personally. For example i would love to watch this with my father or mother but obviously doing so would be absurdly awkward because of the nudity.
The other one is the king's brother, right? So only he could have a valid claim to the throne after the king's death... err, at least more valid than the other. To me, it seemed like Loras was playing the other one to become more powerful himself - sort of a twist on the whole wife pulling the strings behind her husband cliché. I haven't read the books so I don't know if that is how it will play out, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Centurion1
eh its all fabricated so none of us will have any idea how it will play out in that specific dynamic except for what martin tells us in the books which as has been stated is very very vague and not necessarily even true
Eeek, where is the blushing smilie?Quote:
Originally Posted by Centurion1
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OK, I was not paying attention.
Still, not a big deal to me. If an old codger like me can sleep through it, it can't have been too bad. PJs ordeal sounds excruciating though.
BTW, moving away from the more carnal subject matter: did the show miss out Sansa warning the Queen of Ned's plan to evacuate his children? Or did I sleep through that too?
I think that you're being slightly unfair here. Both the US and Britain make some great and poor shows. I do agree that the production values means that epic series like Band of Brothers are only ever going to come from the US. However, recent British shows have been very good, the original Life on Mars and the Office, Ashes to Ashes, Extras, first 2 seasons of Skins, Mighty Boosh, reincarnation of Dr Who, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
Both have their specialities though, the US excels in making larger than life shows (Boardwalk Empire for example) Britain has a knack for panel shows (Qi, Nevermind the Buzzcocks, 8 out of 10 Cats, Mock the Week, Would I Lie to You?, etc)
This gave me a long and hearty LOL at 6:50 in the morning. Well played, good sir. I also thought the hot girl-on-girl action was pretty much there to satisfy Strike and little else. We already knew Littlefinger ran brothels; it was established in both dialogue and action.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger
Dunno what the advantage is of showing the (dead) king's bro and the Knight of Flowers grooming each other. Maybe to make the countless women who fall in love with them more comic/tragic?
I think they did, but Ned also spoke to Cersei directly in the books. It was kind of superfluous in the books, in hindsight.Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
It's been awhile since I read it, but I don't think so. Sansa blew the specific plans- like how and when Ned was going to get his family out of the city. Cersei knew from Ned himself that she'd have to deal with him, but Sansa gave it all away. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good
AFFC is certainly the runt of the litter so far, but it's got a few interesting arcs. Comments below are non-spoilery for people who who have read 1-3 but not 4, but possibly spoilery for people who have not read 1-3, as they discuss people who are still alive in book 4, and thus not killed off earlier :laugh4::Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
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I could be wrong; it's only been like a month since I read GoT but it feels like ages lol.Quote:
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Indeed, that's the impression I got - and probably why I didn't like the Sansa character for most of the series of books.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
Nope, it was actually at his lack of any type of athletic strength. :snobby:Quote:
appalled Crazed Rabbit at his apparent state of under-nutrition.
As for unnecessary scenes, the one with Littlefinger in his brothel is probably the top - though of a short list.
One thing I love is the huge variety of realistic armor. Better than most, nearly all likely, films.
CR
lannisters armor is excessive in my eyes.
and yeah i didnt like sansa either thought she was such a stupid little girl as compared to arya who is a little hellion.
Who on earth would like Sansa?
my books have arrived!!!
Question: Do you guys think the show will still be called Game of Thrones after this season, or will it take on the name of the 2nd book, Clash of Kings?
I think they should have called the show A Song of Ice and Fire.
They were probably waiting to see how the first show did, if they called it A Song of Fire and Ice it would imply they intended to do them all and if it didn't make money it would have been a failure. Calling it Game of Thrones gave them the option to stop after the first series without it being seen as cancelling it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooahguy
Well, considering they renewed the show after episode 1...
Yes, after episode 1...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooahguy
children, you dabble over such petty things as names. cant you see the winter is coming? and grave matters are about to happen...
The fact that it was renewed so quickly must mean that they knew they would renew it far beforehand.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Also, just finished the 2nd book. I dare say it was as good as the first...
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I thought it was much better myself, a large part of that was probably what you disliked though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooahguy
Ive also noticed as Im going through the 3rd book (Im around 200 pages in) that some things from the 3rd book are in the HBO series. For instance, the scene when Jaime tells Cersci that he will go to war with Ned and Robert and the rest of them for her. Its only described in the 3rd book, yet it happens in the HBO series.
Just something interesting I noticed.
That was an intense ending tonight. I have a feeling that little SOB is in for an nasty surprise.
You should have all been watching the NBA finals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
but anyway is anyone's image of the locations sort of different. I think the eyrie is spot on but I always imagined The capital slightly differently its giving me more of a Cair Paravel image. Winterfell however I imagined radically differently! I saw in my minds eye a more traditional European castle look craggy and cold like the north all sharp lines and realistic looking rather than fantastical. It also seems a little...... big for me. And yes, i realize its the capitol of all the north.
I want to murder Joffrey SO HARD.
till halfway i thought this episode sucked then it turned to one of the most awesome till now XD
The actor does such a great job playing Joffrey! He can definitely pull off immature brat with a cruel streak and a touch of The Crazy. I wanted to murder him when I read the books. Seeing him brought to life makes me want to murder him even more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good
Re: Loras + Renly, I didn't remember that either. I just finished rereading book 3, and there definitely some references to it.
I'm glad I didn't read ahead. What a surprise. I think I'm starting to like Joffrey. He might have the makings of a king after all. :grin:
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The one thing I was kind of disappointed about was how they copped out about the minor battle from Tyrion's perspective by having him be knocked out before it started. Understandable as to why they did it, but still.
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Agreed, in a way. I will miss Sean Bean, but even without Ned the 2nd, and so far the 3rd, books have been fantastic, so I dont think it will be bad at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger
I was also disappointed by this, but due to obvious time constraints they had to cut it. At least they did it in a really hilarious way. When the hammer hit him I cracked up.Quote:
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I think they're saving up the majority of their budget for it.Quote:
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I hate pro basketball so Game of Thrones was a much better choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Centurion1
Watching Tyrion get hit by a mallet beats watching some guys run around on a court.
Also I cant say Im pleased with the girl they got for Shae. She is supposed to be younger, I think. And the scene where they play the games never happens. And Tyrion doesnt tell Shae about Tysha until much later.
Yet another case where the TV series improves on the book, IMO - I loved the interchange.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooahguy
It's hard to imagine a foil who could stop Tyrion completely stealing every scene he's in, but Bronn somehow manages it. They have a bit of Blackadder/Baldrick thing going.
e.g. asked where he found Shae, Bronn says "lord, whats his name, ginger :daisy: three tents down."
I'd inadvertently been spoiled out the last scene of the penultimate episode, but it hit me hard nonetheless. I will now be ordering the other books. No way I'm waiting years to continue this great story.
yaya... everyone is always supposed to be younger... and some of the old ones even older. winter is coming. grab some ale and a wench and enjoy yourself man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooahguy
ive caught up reading with the show, i guess there is only 1 episode left judging by how many pages i have left :P sad... its been a good few months!
starting with californication, then spartacus the prequel. had to wait a bit for borgias and camelot. borgias is totally awesome, camelot is friggin bad. and the game of thrones was cherry on top. but nothing to fill the gap. i think we have to wait till next season :S
A question, are they filming second season already or are they're going to start at a later date?
Second season is not in production yet, and no word on when it will be. But it's been renewed, so it's definitely going to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarmatian
Bronn becoming a popular character was pretty inevitable; he works with tyrion alotSpoiler Alert, click show to read:
Well, so far.