Actually it was, most people kept on thinking any Indian faction was impossible due to culture limits our that the only faction there had to be the Mauryans, hence why it was a faction that barley anyone guessed.
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Actually it was, most people kept on thinking any Indian faction was impossible due to culture limits our that the only faction there had to be the Mauryans, hence why it was a faction that barley anyone guessed.
don't believe him! :stop: this is morosian disinformation!Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbin
i can remember precisely that some team member said the indians are NOT the faction noone ever will guess (noewg-faction? ;D) shortly after the preview!
also foot said they would NOT tell which it was before the release, to achieve maximum surprise!
Fair enough but don't get mad when it turns out I was telling the truth. :rolleyes:
So the last occultus faction will not be announced? We will have to wait till the release?Quote:
Originally Posted by fightermedic
Also, bobbin, can you rule out the Arevaci, Belgae and Atropatene as the occultus? I'm not asking you to rule them in or out completely as EBII factions, just say if the occultus Sig does not represent them if anything to save us constantly suggesting them.
No, I said that about the Gandharan faction as at the time we didn't know if we were going to make a preview for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brennus
Sure, it is neither of those factions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brennus
I've given you a tiny helping hand as I've reuploaded my sig in png forum, the old jpg one had suffered some form of compression when it was uploaded which meant you had no change of getting anything from it.
By the colour, maybe it's Nabatu :)
Looks like a Horse
Now is clearly that represents a Bird :sweatdrop:
Hahahaha!
I increased brightness and contrast in photoshop and it says:
https://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9010/naamloosdv.png
"Nice try, but that is not going to work".
:D
Anyway, I think it's either a bird or the flying spaghetti monster.
Thanks bobbin!Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbin
Did anyone look at Bobbin's Year Seven EB Member sig? The background picture is the same color as his Occultus sig and it seems to represent the same picture.
It doesn't represent the Silphium plant does it?
https://i1215.photobucket.com/albums...inn/bobbin.jpg
I suppose this is tiger. And I think this is some Arabian faction.
PS
Tell me please, what does "Occultus" means? I thought that is how you call Bosphoran Kingdom, but now it seems this word stands for "unknown faction"
"Occulutus" is latin for "hidden" or "secret".
Its the name we give to all unrevealed factions.
Just to be different I'm gonna say its a Silphium plant and the faction is Cyrene.
I'm amazed that people can say it's ..., all I see is a black patch and some yellow lines on a reddish background XD
https://i1215.photobucket.com/albums...titled-1-1.jpg
Yes, it seems to be a plant.
Look at the background of Bobbin's EB Member signature right below the Occultus one. It is the same color and the pattern to the left of the word "Seven" looks very similar to the left side of his Occultus sig only rotated slightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arjos
Moreover, if this connection is correct, the section to the left of the word "Year" looks exactly like the top of several depictions of the Silphium plant which appears on many coins from Cyrene.
Here is a link that describes the plant and it's connection to the region. It also contains a few pictures of coins.
http://www.sylphium.com/html/plant_silphium.php
Hopefully I'm right. More than likely I'm just causing chuckles from the EB team.:clown:
Just saying, but the year part is a different image file and differs for every member depending on which year he joined. As can be seen in my sig.
note how he said "different image file" and not "different image" !Quote:
Originally Posted by Moros
Bah, and I was enjoying all the wild guessing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moros
Yeah cause it definately looks the same... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by fightermedic
No, but it has at least a similar font and colour. Actually I also thought there is a connection between both pictures but it does not percectly fit each other. I'm still pretty sure there is at least one horse on the picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moros
What is it with you lot and the fonts, you are always thinking there is a connection. FYI the font for the "Boii" text in your sig is the same as the one in mine (Rusticana).
I'm speaking about font because I lacked another word in english for the... general theme how the lines are made? Sorry for the confusion. I'd not state they are the same in this regard anymore though.
I see your reasoning but at least XSamartan said otherwise as far as I understand his posting:Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbin
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...11#post9924211
I can't see how this is relevant for guessing this faction though. Thanks for the better quality picture by the way.
How are these occultus signatures exactly work? Are they the real signature just blackened or could it e.g. only be a part of a complete picture/signature?
That palette of ochre and white seems very "desert-y" to me too, I think we can slot a Nabataea-ish faction in now along side the Belgae-ish faction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finn MacCumhail
Yea looks like a plant
Palmyra?
I'm supporting FMC's guess.
https://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3660/13267078.jpg
Of course, it will be a steppe faction. Because no one expects as much. :dizzy2:
I'm going on the colors and say that it's a new Arabic faction so Saba has someone to contend with. Maybe Hadramaut, Qataban or Ma'in? The symbol is a life tree of some sort maybe?
well, looks like a tree, i would guess a Boswellia sacra. That would mean an arabic faction, probably the source of Frankincense, Hadhramout.
I think they were ruled out on the grounds of being too similar to Saba.Quote:
Originally Posted by Folgore
Did you think was any connection to the Boswellia sacra, in other ways here i found a interesting history of use of the frankincense
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Damn it. I thought the last one was an ox and it indicated an Indian faction, but the whole "no Mauryan" thing diverted me. This time I've got no bloody idea at all.
I imagine it will be somebody obscure, that very casual readers of history like me have never heard of, because all the obvious ones have been suggested by now. Somebody whose archaeological/historical information is greater than their fame, so the EB team have heard of them but us plebs haven't.
Of course Ubar would bring a whole new meaning to "Occultus Faction". :)
UBAR
Unexpected
Beyond
All
Reason
I'm gonna throw in another for the fun of it :P
Could it be two crossed cornucopias?
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gal...umb_Aretas.jpg
I say it's the ptolomioi Attachment 3130 take a look at the coin
edite: definitly not a ptolomaic symbol. looked again. why do those EB members have to be so secretive and give us a few hints atleast:dizzy2:
Ubar is not discovered at the small site at Shisr, which is no more than a small stop. It has some walls and towers and some minor structures within but it really is small. A little later during the same investigation (they used sattelite image analyses to find the sites) they actually found a bigger one a little north and west of modern day Salalah, which appears to have been called Saffara. This will most likely be the local province capital. However this region is one of those places we virtually have no information about. It's the last place where you'll have to look for a faction sadly. Probably will not even get a unique unit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hernan Cortles
Dammit! anyways do somone know a mod in about the EB timeframe that how bobbin get the answer
I think I have made a discovery, bobbin and Moros have different occultus symbols. Look at bobbin's and you can make out the possible Silphium plant, look at Moros sig and you can make out the head of a bird of prey. However, you cannot find the same pattern in the two sigs, indeed the colour scheme is slightly different. I think we have two occultus factions here, a Silphium like symbol and one with a raptor in it.
No they are identical, the both come from the same file. The reason mine looks slightly different is that it was saved as a png image and so didn't suffer and quality loss when it got uploaded, the original jpg (which Moros uses) did and so that is why it looks different.
http://i53.tinypic.com/301pqp5.jpghttps://i43.tinypic.com/2n9m8a9.png
So we should focus our attention on your sig then?Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbin
No, they are equally impossible, but one has slightly less quality :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Brennus
e: already been said
Im worried that if the Occultus faction is Cyrene there might be a bit of an uproar from the Syracuse fans. Could someone highlight for me what exactly Cyrene did during the EBII timeframe to warrant their inclusion as a faction in contrast to say the Galatians, Syracuse or the Scordisci?
Nothing? I don't think it is Cyrene...
I really hope Kyrene isn't in, they didn't even have internal stability to embark in any expedition...
The whole area throughout history needed a permanent semi-independent military government...
Now this wasn't as much a bad thing, the Ptoleis turned it into a "second Alexandria", a great cultural center, but that was it...
They sold a lot of weed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brennus
e: an inclusion of Kyrene in a mod set in an earlier timeframe would probably be more likely.
Cyrene attempted an invasion of the Nile heartlands of Ptolemaic Egypt under Magas, shortly after their rebellion from the Ptolemies in 276. It was possibly a joint operation with the Seleucids who attacked the Levantine regions at the same time. There were apparently some early successes on the Cyrenaic front but a rebellion of some Libyan subjects caused a setback which doomed any chance to reach Alexandria. There is some indication that Paraitonion possibly fell under Magas's control for some time during this invasion making him rather close to the capital indeed. In any event, they maintained independence until shortly after Magas's death in 250 when a marriage alliance cemented them back into the Ptolemaic Empire. Magas is also mentioned in the Edict of Ashoka as one of the major Hellenistic Kings. This presumably meant that at some point in our time-frame, he wielded respectable power and influence.
As far as gameplay is concerned however, Cyrene would position itself as a much needed threat to the Ptolemies in their western theater. They would play similar to the Ptolies, perhaps with a bit more reliance on lighter Libyan troops, but still a Hellenistic power nontheless. Comparing them with Syracuse is unfair. I don't think Syracuse had attacked any major power for some while in our timespan. In fact, I just noticed that the last major Syracusan attack on Carthage was jointly conducted with Cyrene, which had recently rebelled from Ptolemy I ! There was also a later Cyrenaic rebellion in the 160's(?) which lasted for some time. Clearly they were not loyal subjects.
This all being said, its just a guess on my part. I don't think Cyrene necessarily deserves the spot over a Belgae tribe, the Scordisci, or especially a Celtiberian tribe. However, gameplay somewhat demands a counterweight to the annoying Yellow Fever which ALWAYS happens (in my games at least) so I'd be willing to oversee one of those other factions for this very reason unfortunately. That is of course, unless we can do something with Meroe instead.
That "invasion" was Magas marching to offer assistance to Antiochos I, who kept Philadelphos occupied in Koile Syria...
And the peace he rapidly made, which already made clear that his kingdom would get "incorporated" once he died, just shows how weak Cyrene was on its own and his life as an independent king was a smokescreen...
Most of all Magas was put in charge of Cyrene by the Ptoleis in the first place :P
With M2TW diplomacy and recruiting pools, everything will be much more different, maybe for the Ptoleis with the EBII authority buildings and such, they will have to spend a lot of time to get greek settlers and keep a religious peace with the locals...Quote:
Originally Posted by Brave Brave Sir Robin
All in all, in my view, Kyrene had a very brief shot at entering the "big stage" of the epigonoi, and even if we overlook that, it would be just a copy and paste of the Ptolemaioi/Seleukidai...
Fair enough, though I wonder if maybe something might be done with shadow factions a la the baron's alliance in the Britannia campaign for kingdoms.
haha, if there was a Kyrene faction in EB1 it would probably be the hardest faction of all, Imagine Carthies and Ptollies always swarming you with elite pikemen and worse :D
*has sometimes captured kyrene with the KH and was glad he had kretan archers there.
no, no, and no....Quote:
Originally Posted by Brave Brave Sir Robin
requires additional faction slots
hm have not said this in some time, so here you go, my wishlist for the 4 remaining factions:
1. celtiberians - fills one of the spots on the map that is in most dire need of a faction to fill it, they are unique, they were somewhat historically important
2. any sort of belgae - same reasons as the celtiberians - in addition to that the fact that someone needs to fight for britain besides the pritanoi
3. any western greek faction, as massilia is denied by the team, that leaves syracus - good god i so hope syracus will be in (although i highly doubt it) since they could be used for a migration campaign to massilia, and i need massilia to die a happy man! (besides, syracus is a fantastic start position for human players!)
4. one of the 3 eastern celtic factions: tylis/galatia/scordisci - the scordisci being my favorite since they fill an interesting spot on the map and would be quite unique a faction due to their illyrian subjects... and of course they could be used well to migrate the other two factions :D
in short: bring in factions that can be well used to play migration campaigns
yea i know.. i'm a bit focused on the west.. but there you go!
The four I'd like to make it in are these:
- Arevaci or Vaccei, or an alliance of both.
- Ardiaei.
- Bellovaci or Ambiani.
- Nabatu or another arabian tribe of the north.
All of them, beside being quite expansionistic, can bring new cultural combinations and "unique" features...
While I'd like a western greek faction too, I hope the new KH in EBII will be enough to represent all the different leagues and states...
Who are they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arjos
Btw UP THE BELGAE!
P.S. Sorry, I have been drinking.
Illyrian tribe, I believe the one of the infamous Queen Teuta.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brennus
And before that they had the thalassocracy of the Adriatic...
Not to mention that Epeiros, Makedonia and the greek leagues asked for their help many times...
But in line with their privateers' spirit, they decided to raid their cities, take over their islands and coasts :D
Lemmy guess once again. The symbol hidden on the Bobbin's userbar depicts some sort of Jewish State. Perhapse Yehud Medinata or simply Yehud. The symbol depicts an Egyptian falcon.
You're trying to provoke them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Finn MacCumhail
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
And the userbar has nothing to do with the occultus faction XD
No I'm not. My speculations based on the following.
Jewish factions have been ruled out several times, but Yehud was a pre-Alexander Persian client-kingdom.
Yehud also inclded Samaritans, so Yehud was not Jewish State, but multinational State in this case.
The desertish background color make me think of some Arabian or Jewish faction, but Nabatu was rejected. The white things remind me feathers of the Egyptian falcon from Yehud coin.
And no one expects this kind of let's say Semitic faction
As long as a faction in that area makes it in the game, I'll be more than happy :P
Most of all I think this one is the last, for the first release, right?
cyrene was always part of ptolemaic aygyptus so putting them in would be like installing a shadow faction for the ptolemaioi
axum or meroe notice how bobbin and moros keep talking about that area and how mauryans where impossible ? eastern and western greeks combined and you get the last cuylture slot \o
Now that i think of it. it could be the nubians. wich adopted the ancient egyptian culture:yes:
I know the team said for months how a nubian faction can't make it due to poor sources/evidences for a military beyond archery and spears, plus the lack of a cultural slot to implement, among other things, sub-saharan portraits; but having such a faction, would just be the cherry on the pie :D
And how do you place it inside the timeframe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Finn MacCumhail
Hmm, well the symbol is yellow. There seem to be some strange markings in the lower right corner.
massalia should be a must ( denied by the team, just read that) sad :_
still imo should be a must, werent they vassals to the romans? from what i remember from the Rome game from paradox is that they were paying tribute to romans or something like that.
arevaci syracuse and meroe
Hi
first i really love your work with europa barborum..
well i saw the factions list for this mod,and i have to say that the lusitanians were the ancestors of the portuguese and not spanish as you refer on you faction list..
if you could just take a look http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusitanians there.
and yes im portuguese,im not insulting anyone,i also didnt like how the total war franchise treat the portuguese in medieval,and in empire mainly because in that time period (empire) Portugal was a superpower and it wasnt playable in that game ,i dont understan why but there you go..
so i only registered to say that..also viriathus the leader of the lusitanians was born in Viseu a portuguese city not in spain therefore the lusitanians werent spanish..
i say this as a fan of your work and a student of history !
i hope the mooders see this post ,and thank you!
Hello polatucus, welcome to the .Org and to EB ~:wave: .
I am not sure where it says that the Lusitanians are the ancestors of the Spanish rather than Portuguese. The team knows that most Lusitanian territory is in what is now Portugal; although they had a few bits of Spain as well.
Hello Polatucus,
Thank you for your support! Like Ludens I am unaware of where the Lusitanians are stated to be the ancestors of Spain. I reviewed our history section and found only a mention that in addition to their location in what is now modern Portugal, they also controlled parts of modern Spain. However, if any mention is made to them being 'Spanish' I can assure you it is only a reference to the peninsula, not to the modern country. For the most part EB prefers to spend its time in the past, so to speak, and to avoid modern politics. We are more concerned with how ancient peoples regarded any individual tribe or nation than with how modern peoples regard them, as the ancient perspective is what we have to deal with in the text, descriptions and more. The ancient Lusitanians were viewed by outsiders as one of the Iberian Peninsula's tribes, and therefore as Iberians. By other tribes they were viewed as original Iberians, having not become mixed with invading Celtic populations or settling Greeks and Phoenicians.
A similar situation arises with the faction of Taksashila and its existence in what is now modern Pakistan, while its ethnicity is considered to be Indian, not a reference to the modern state. In making the game we have to be aware of how other ancient populations viewed the Taksashilans, how strongly they were connected with other Indian populations, and how much they differed from them by integration with immigrant Persian, Hellenic, and Steppe populations. For more details on how Taksashila fit into ancient Indian society and cultural awareness please see our preview of them.
Tanit
Iron Age Belgians=Modern Belgians, nice and simple.
Kush in 272BC map;
http://uppix.net/f/e/5/ae39d5102873e...a5250f5a0t.jpg
I think it is so appropriate both keeping busy the Ptolemy and an one of the most empty area in map. Also non-Greek Egyptian faction would be nice.
IMO other factions should be Atropatene and Thracia.
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brennus
Kush/Meroe won't be a faction due to the culture limit of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by CanOmer
No native Egyptian faction as there weren't any by our start date.
Neither was there a Thracia, and the kingdom that commonly gets called that was destroyed by the Galatians just before our start date.
Where did you find this :DQuote:
Originally Posted by CanOmer
Here:Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Blacksmith
http://geacron.com/home-en/?sid=GeaCron757021