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Someone has to die Day 1 and I don't really think Zacks guilty. Not sure about Monty either but I have to go to bed and it's all I can do right now.
unvote, vote: Montmorency
If I can't sleep for some reason and check back in a few hours I might change. This game could use some more activity.
We don't have to lynch someone. :3
Unvote, Vote: Montmorency
Why am I consistently targeted so early? I'm remarkably average in skill.
I don't see you voting No Lynch, but you're correct, it could be helpful just in the beginning, especially since this game has fewer numbers than a usual small game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Let's see who bites.
unvote, vote: No Lynch
Okay scratch that, I thought there was still time.
FINAL VOTECOUNT DAY 1:
Not voting: johnhughthom
Abstain (meaning that they have posted at least once during Day 1 without voting):
No Lynch:
Montmorency (5): Diamondeye, Cahoma, B_Ray, Oh! TheLastDays!, Zack
Zack (2): ELITEKWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK, Montmorency
johnhughthom: Winston Hughes
Visorslash: hero di classico
hero di classico: Visorslash
ELITEKWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK: robbiecon
Deadline will hit in .
7 for lynch by majority.
Montmorency got lynched Day 1.
STILL looking after a replacement for johnhughthom. PM me if interested. I may extend the Night phase if I don't find a replacement soon. If you guys know someone who could be interested in replacing in, please PM that person.
Montmorency was desperate. He tried to get Zack lynched (shouting: I HAVE TO TIE VOTE I HAVE TO TIE VOTE) but it was in vain. Now the noose was tied around his neck and he gave up. After all, everyone would die, sooner or later.
Meanwhile, an Italian man was laughing hysterically a couple of kilometres away...
Montmorency, Vanilla Townie, was lynched Day 1.
Night 1 begins now. I want to have all Night actions by
This is going bad..
It's what is to be expected on Day 1, at least it wasn't a power role.
No talking during the Night, please. This is your only warning. I know I have a lot of unusual rules, so please take the time to read the ruleset.
How did TLD and I manage to both vote for two different people?
Zack, considering the post right above you I have to give you an official warning. Please stop posting now, it's the Night phase.
EDIT: Your official warning is retracted, I didn't originally understand the meaning of your post. The last vote count is updated.
In the future though, please PM me about such things if it's during the Night phase.
Sorry.
The deadline will be extended with another 24 hours because I still haven't found a replacement for johnhughthom. If you know someone who could be interested, contact him. If I don't find a replacement at the new deadline I will be forced to modkill him.
Earthling replaces johnhughthom. Thanks! Deadline for Night actions is the one in the first post, the Day won't start until I get home from work though.
GM asked me to confirm that I'm in as a replacement. Here, and read through the rules.
ELITEKWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK, hero di classico and robbiecon was close friends. This night they was out at a night club in LaSalle. They had a pretty good time, but when they was going home Robbie was hit by something in the neck. He turned around and it was a - grenade. The gang didn't run away in time.
ELITEKWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK, Vanilla Townie, was killed Night 1.
hero di classico, Doctor, was killed Night 1.
robbiecon, Roleblocker, was killed Night 1.
Day 2 starts now. The deadline is
Ouch! So far, we've seen DBT of the setup, and it looks like there might be at least one Vigilante, too. The setup allows for only one mafia kill and one SK, as far as I understand.
For now, I am going to Vote:Zack.
And M, Cahoma's an Innocent Child, of course... Hmm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
Oh crap. That was bad.
Oo - So I guess the writeup just incorporates three kills into one?
Mafia, SK + Vig?
It's tough because if we don't know who killed who, it's going to be hard to get the scum via kill choices.
But let's start to pressure a bit anways. Vote: Earthling just so the replacement doesn't feel left out :yes:
I think it has to be Vote: Zack. There are reasons to that, but let's see how the wagon rolls.
Vote: Zack
I'll argee!!
:knight: :knight:
Woah, guys! I'm going to step off this wagon before it just goes bonkers and unvote; Vote:ELITEKINGWHATEVERCAKEMANNAME for so enthusiastically joining on third.
Aren't you nice :laugh:?Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
He's dead.
Given the setup we seem to be hurting no matter what. I'll ask this: Diamondeye, would you agree you shouldn't have posted what you posted at the start of the day unless you're a vanilla townie, or a mafia and Zack is not mafia? Do you see the reasoning there, or do we need to wait for more people to comment and vote.
Facepalm. Then he needs to stop pretending to vote :gripe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Earthling
I think I understand what you're asking here, and I think the answer is no, but please elaborate. Which part of the post are you referring to and why would it disclude me from being a pro-town power-role? Or an SK, for that matter? Speaking hypothetically, of course.Quote:
Given the setup we seem to be hurting no matter what. I'll ask this: Diamondeye, would you agree you shouldn't have posted what you posted at the start of the day unless you're a vanilla townie, or a mafia and Zack is not mafia? Do you see the reasoning there, or do we need to wait for more people to comment and vote.
I was surprised that you did not notice that. More time to concentrate on Capo
Where did the bandwagon on me come from?
*looks at my username*
Oh, right.
The bolded colors in the updates and tallies hurt my eyes, tbh.
Vote: Earthling
Color me curious as to why the night phase couldn't advance until JHT was replaced.
Exactly my idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
I would just like to clarify that it is a modding standard of mine to extend the night when a player needs to get replaced, in order not to give clues about that person's role. Me extending the night phase is in no way indicative of his role and/or alignment.
If not for their initial votes against one another on day 1, I'd have said Zack and TLD were blatantly working together here. But, on the other hand, maybe that kind of doubt is exactly what those votes were supposed to engender.
vote: Zack
Yes, we're blatantly working together here :yes:
I don't think it's Zack and I had no idea anyone else would vote Earthling when I did so, at the beginning of the day phase. I'm applying pressure where I see fit. You, on the other hand, have enough evidence on Zack to be third on his bandwagon? Care to explain?
unvote, vote: Winston Hughes
Never mind, I just realised that with DE's unvote you are only the second vote on Zack. Still, I'd like to hear some reasons for you vote.
Today's votes on Earthling follow on from you and Zack switching to Montmorency in fairly quick succession yesterday, right after Mont directed his own vote to draw Zack level. At the time, you said that Zack didn't look guilty, though how on earth you could determine that from his posts to that point is completely beyond me.
Unvote, Vote: Oh! TheLastDays!
There you go, Winston.
Apparently I am dumb. For those who can make educated guesses as to what possible roles (particularly anti-town roles) are in the game based on those that were revealed last night, could you share with the rest of us?
vote: Cahoma
Voting for the confirmed townie, seriously?
unvote; vote: TheLastDays
Totally forgot about that, thank you for the reminder!
This also goes for anyone asking what they're missing on figuring out the game setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh! TheLastDays!
Before I go on, Diamondeye still doesn't make sense to me but he did remind me of one thing I'd missed, a serial killer would be kill immune as in the setup and doesn't fear death at night by mafia/vig, only the lynch, so anyone could be a serial killer and be more aggressive in thread, particularly if they felt the town needed to be rallied to beat the mafia. I don't get his votes but recognize I was withholding points earlier until more people showed up so his response to me is ok, so long as we lynch a mafia today.
On the setup/strategy, here's simply what we know:
With the number of town roles already, the setup would have three mafia.
Three kills last night as far as I can also tell means either mafia, town vig, and SK, or mafia and two vigs. I think two vigs (or vig +1-shot vig) is much less likely, if it's true that means we're just better off and can get lucky even though they failed last night.
There's always the very small chance there are still more town roles, than the Doctor, Blocker, Mason/Child, and Vig we already have, in which case we move further down the setup possibilities, but still 3 mafia and probably still an SK, and too remote a chance to think about.
So 3 Mafia + 1 SK is worst case for the town but also most likely, I think we have to work with that.
Then Cahoma is confirmed Innocent. Any townie knows what they are obviously. That just leaves 6 people so very, very good odds that anybody you could lynch just turns up as a scum. That alone is all that's needed for a wagon on Zack, or you TLD, really, but Zack is the default to me because he got saved from the lynch yesterday and a townie was lynched, so why not guess some of those voters were mafia.
The real question is what happens tonight. Could be 2 or 3 kills, if people target the same victims then fewer, or if someone targets the SK he doesn't die. But what we want for the town is 2 mafia dead before the next day or they're too close to controlling the lynch. 1 mafia, the SK, 3 townies for 5 remaining is still a chance (for everyone, really, but at least town is still in it). That's what we want, hopefully the SK sees the need for at least one mafia to die too because they could straight outvote him too.
I know this comes out of the blue, but Earthling makes a helluvalot of sense right now. I'm going to replace my vote since the gingerbreadman was just making fun of me anyway.
Unvote; Vote: Zack.
Earthlings post does make sense.
I'd like to hear Winston's reasons for his vote though, as it came before, and especially I'd like him to talk about why he just went on throwing out accusations without explanation when I first asked him for his reasoning.
Vote: Zack
I'm willing to follow Earthling on his theory for today.
Man, you people jump at any chance you have to lynch me.
Oh, and I'm the backup doctor btw.
Okay, benefit of doubt and a clear bandwagoner here makes me unvote and Vote:Visorslash. Since the doc is dead, I think we have to give Zack the benefit of the doubt on his claim, because it looks like there might be a lot of roles (and thus a powerful Mafia faction) which means we need all the protection we can get.
If Zack is telling the truth, we currently have CDDVMB down, at least. If that third kill is an SK, this matches the "weakest" Mafia+SK Setup (ie. TTTTTT) without any further power-roles. Also, if the third kill is an SK, we can figure out now that there has to be an even amount of T's which restricts the possibilities of the setup quite a bit...
Just thinking out loud now, of course.
I don't know if this was good because Zack just painted a target on his back with no one to protect him while I was actually in the lead I think.
Anyway, I agree on the shameless bandwagoning by Visor but would still like to hear more from Winston.
unvote
You've lost me here. Could you explain how you reach those conclusions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
Did you miss what I said in post 115?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh! TheLastDays!
It's the game setup, you can have a look at it in post #3 or #4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
There are seven potential power roles, depending on a random roll.
So far we have
M (innocent child, revealed right at the beginning)
B (Roleblocker, died Night 1)
D (Doctor, died Night 1)
D (Backup Doctor, if Zack's telling the truth)
So we have (at least) four power roles, this is where DE's analysis is off, if I understand the setup correctly. We have a maximum of three Ts in that original role distribution and TTT is a setup without a serial killer, so we have, at least, a TT setup.
This means we have one or two more pro town power roles and we face a Mafia, consisting of three members and a serial killer.
Alright, just reread it. I hadn't determined that Zack was innocent, my comment "I don't really think Zacks guilty" was to explain that my early vote on him was a joke vote, motivated by the situation that he complained about being meta gamed all the time on CFC.Quote:
Did you miss what I said in post 115?
So, based on my setup analysis I think it's pretty important we get a Mafia today and I'm not a Mafia, so I would advise us all to search harder.
Diamondeye why did you say there's a cop?
If it's DDMVB then that matches the two T setup - with 3 mafia and an SK.
If you know for sure there's a cop role, then there are yet more roles out there, or it just means Zack is lying about being backup doctor.
Right, so to reiterate my position is that really needs answering from Diamondeye. If we can be sure there are no other town roles (well, still the vig and Cahoma is Mason-Child) then Zack's claim makes sense. If people are sure there is a cop, then I would guess Zack has a false claim. Just about anybody else could still be scum by the numbers again so I would be ok switching to Visorslash when this is resolved, he was way too quiet and bandwagonny looking at his posts.
What evidence is there for a cop in the game? Are you sure DE didn't just mean the Vig? Also I forgot the vig in my post.
No, he listed a cop in the post above but as you and Winston pointed out it didn't really make sense, what he was saying with too many T's in the setup. He could just be trying to confuse us, like how he didn't vote for Zack yesterday but started off on Zack today of his own accord. But if he's mafia I doubt that both the wagons on Zack and Visorslash are safe for him so I don't get that either.
Of course I would be trigger-happy to mark Diamondeye down as the serial killer after all but that's a bit biased. :clown:
In and of itself Zack's claim makes sense - backup doctor makes DDMVB and matches the scum that seem to be out there. Still have 3 mafia and an SK though.
I probably should unvote: Zack for now.
I confused the Cop and the Roleblocker, yes. So most of that analysis is a bit off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh! TheLastDays!
Actually, it means that instead of that C, there needs to be at least one other "special" role if there really is an SK...
I've been quiet because I've been out for most of the day yesterday, and I will be as well today.
Unvote; Vote: O! TLD!
I'M the scummy bandwagoner? For shame.
Unvote;
But that is the way you always play. I'll be back later today and see what's happened. I don't see the case on me though.
Quiet? :yes: Total indicator of scum. Please kill me immediately because I am oh-so suspicious because of that.
Bandwagons? ONE. On Zack, who you had posted a good case on at the time.
So yeah. That's it.
And now you're sillily throwing your vote on the next bandwagon to save your own hide? When I was not the one who brought up your bandwagoning?
unvote, vote: Visorslash
In case I can't edit voted posts.
Unvote
Vote: Zack
He claimed doctor right after the bandwagon was starting on him. There's noone to protect him, so he's getting killed tonight anyways, which he'd of course know. I think he's lying.
@ Cahoma
You may be right.
That doesn't make any sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cahoma
Yes it does. Some of us are giving you a chance here though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
Have you recieved a PM stating that you can protect since the doctor died? Or is there a second doctor out there who can protect you tonight?
Please don't answer in this thread (neither you or the eventual other doctor). Just think about it. There might be.
Tally:
1 x Zack (Cahoma)
2 x TLD (Zack, B_Ray
1 x Winston Hughes (TLD)
1 x Visorslash (Diamondeye)
I believe that's correct. TLD, your vote on me is incorrect, I believe, as you didn't bold the unvote part.
Actually, you did bring up my "shameless" bandwagoning. Even though I thought his case was reasonable, doubt has been cast with the claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh! TheLastDays!
Nope, DE brought it up, I only agreed and still do.
My vote on you should be valid. The rules state that an unvote isn't necessary but appreciated. Wasn't on purpose on my part but still it should count.
You are the best choice at the moment. Bandwagoning without much explanation, just following along. Winston is still fishy as well.
Also, B_Ray, care to explain how you voted for Cahoma, the innocent, first and then switched to a bandwagon vote with no reasoning at all?
Visorslash, I don't think you are being honest in not getting that almost everyone left is something, and I doubt you're going to be the town vig.
Zack claiming backup doctor is very bold and clever as scum but it works by the setup if he is town, and then we just have our 3 mafia and SK so pretty much any lynch works.
vote: Visorslash
And why?Quote:
and I doubt you're going to be the town vig.
If I understand this correctly, we have 8 players left right?
3 are scum, 4 are town and one is a serial killer apparently?
Vote: Earthling
I stopped asking myself who I find suspicious, and started asking myself who I haven't found suspicious, and his name jumped right out at me. His analysis has been sober, considered and, as far as can be expected, accurate. Now, for one thing, this is somewhat out of character for a townie Earthling. Although it's not unusual to see him working out the set-up of a game, when playing as town he is, in my experience, always aggressive and confrontational when it comes to dealing with other players. From the look of the way he's acting here, I'd say his usual "I don't care if I'm suspicious" attitude is absent, and he's trying quite hard to avoid getting in people's faces. For another thing, it's worth remembering that the people in the best position to understand the set-up are those who have the most information from the start and who can confer between themselves behind the scenes, ie. the mafia. This, then, would explain why Earthling was able to move so quickly from dropping in as a replacement, to having a better grip on the game than anyone else appears to have.
Tally:
Vote: Earthling
2 x Earthling (Winston_Hughes, Visorslash)
1 x Zack (Cahoma)
2 x TLD (Zack, B_Ray
3 x Visorslash (Diamondeye, TLD, Earthling)
Please tell me what the case on me is about, so I can defend myself. :bow:
When did I say that? Or anything like that?Quote:
Visorslash, I don't think you are being honest in not getting that almost everyone left is something, and I doubt you're going to be the town vig.
So Diamondeye is given free reign to vote Zack? I'm not? TLD is allowed to agree with your post, but focus on Winston for some stupid reason? And I vote with your case and suddenly I'm a bandwagoner, where so is Diamondeye? Granted I am slighlty worse, but still. :tongue:Quote:
Okay, benefit of doubt and a clear bandwagoner
Quiet? I've posted more than a lot of people in this thread, granted more recently, but still. I don't lurk in games. You should know that Earthling and you to Diamondeye.
Have you *looked* at my posts? Or anyone elses? Why me in particular? I voted on one bandwagon, Zack's, because it was the best lead we had on that point and I was tired, didn't really want to focus on mafia. B_Ray, voting the innocent child? He has posted hardly anything.Quote:
I would be ok switching to Visorslash when this is resolved, he was way too quiet and bandwagonny looking at his posts.
So when you do it, (Netherworld) you're not scum? And when I do it, I am? That's a tad hypocritical there.Quote:
And now you're sillily throwing your vote on the next bandwagon to save your own hide?
Unvote; Vote: TLD
So there. :tongue:
1 x Earthling (Winston_Hughes)
1 x Zack (Cahoma)
2 x TLD (Zack, B_Ray, Visorslash)
3 x Visorslash (Diamondeye, TLD, Earthling)
Unvote; Vote: Oh! TheLastDays!
In case edited votes are not counted. You sir, are scummier than me.
Only that Netherworld is over and I'm proven to have been innocent there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
You took the easy way, wagoning Zack and then, when things went your way, you immediately voted on the next best target, which was me at that point.
I was suspicious of you from your vote on Zack already, as I never bought the "case" on him. Your scummy panic switch was only another step down the road to Mafiatown.
Please elaborate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
Unvote; Vote: Earthling
I agree with Winston. More so than I agree with Earthling. He is always in your face, see Capo and ATPG Mafia 2 for examples. This is a change...
2 x Earthling (Winston_Hughes, Visorslash)
1 x Zack (Cahoma)
2 x TLD (Zack, B_Ray)
3 x Visorslash (Diamondeye, TLD, Earthling)
Hypocritical. :rolleyes:Quote:
Only that Netherworld is over and I'm proven to have been innocent there.
I took the easy way, huh? So there is something with following someone's elses case? Wow. What a piece of :daisy:.Quote:
You took the easy way, wagoning Zack and then, when things went your way, you immediately voted on the next best target, which was me at that point.
I was suspicious of you from your vote on Zack already, as I never bought the "case" on him. Your scummy panic switch was only another step down the road to Mafiatown.
Next best target is you for being a scumball. Bull:daisy:. You said you agreed with Earthling. (Read:agreed) but you kept to your vote of Winston so you could set up a case on the poor sod (me) who happened to vote Zack next.
Vote switching means you're mafia eh? THEN HOW COME YOU WERE ABLE TO DO IT IN NETHERWORLD AND IT WAS FINE? :tongue:
In fact lynch anyone who has ever changed a vote, because they must be scum.
Oh dear Winston. Is Visorslash your mafia roleblocker? That would definitely be the best we could get for the town, as it prevents them from blocking the vig or SK at night.
Wrong faction. Try serial killer.
bbbut Diamondeye has to be the SK...:stare: