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when is the deadline?
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Originally Posted by The Stranger
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Originally Posted by Franconicus
Dont expect mine to be early, christmas has been kinda crazy, and I've still got new years! :party3:
Basileus Othon is now recruiting a bodyguard from all orphans. They will need to endure a certain Agoge before they can join though.
OK then,Quote:
Originally Posted by Franconicus
Dear... whatever the leaders of france are calling themselves these days.
When Britain acquired the suez it was at the cost of 45 million Talers, it was also at the cost of becoming allies with Egypt once the "ottoman and christian alliance" war ended, it has now concluded and you are currently ravaging our ally. Declare peace with egypt and withdraw your troops immediately, failure will result in Britain ending your little crusade, sinking every french ship afloat and consigning your campaigning troops to a slow death of attrition a long way away from home.
Regards
Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
Robert Peel.
PS: Send the Pope our regards.
________
As for the rest of you, I have been putting up with your war long enough and have lost enough money that I am starting to think it would be cheaper in the long run to sink every ship in the Med than risk leaving you the capacity to start another, once this ceasefire is in effect any warships found firing so much as a funny look in the mediterannian will be sunk and the government billed for the munitions used to do it.
I think this 'Robert Peel' should be less arrogant and more polite in further messages. If I see a letter with such a funny message again, it will be promptly torn apart and the government billed for the effort used to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
~Basileus Othon
Dear Othon
It is only arrogance when your talk is disproportionate to your power, and try to remember who ensured you got that nice new land, it most assuredly wasn't gained through Austrian or Russian generosity.
...And I apologise if there was something in the message that insulted you, but getting the message across clearly is more important than bruised feelings.
Regards.
Robert Peel.
ROTFL LMAO. We no Ships in Med XD
imo the deadline of 1 jan is too soon :S can we do friday 4 jan?
Because of the long and slow line of communication between the Forbidden Town and the Centre of the World deadline shall be Friday 4th.
Hurry, friends. It looks as if the world is running into misery. Don't miss it!
:S its more that half the players arent really active.
That is a pain. Hope it will go better, if the holidays are over.
Apologies for long absence gents, I will also be unable to provide anything meaningful until the week of the 7th to 11th. Tough dates, and I'm on the road so little opportunity to devise strategy.
Orders of Austria will be on until 4th of January, maybe earlier. If somebody wishes to discuss some last thing with the Danube Monarchy, he is welcome... By the way, can we put the territorial sitituation on a map?
P.S. Sorry for the abseenteism.
I received orders from Greece, Austria, Russia and China.
Prussia and France promised to send this week.
What about the rest?
I was waiting on your PM and france's response to my ultimatum. Give me a day or so.
I don't have a reply to it.
Sorry to everyone for not replying to them in a timely manner and for not being more active in the thread.
Well if you dont, I'll have to destroy you ability to wage war, unless you declare peace with Egypt my fleet will be ordered to destroy yours and make your egypt army starve.
So good to see that the King Kurt softly softly diplomatic approach has been picked up by my heir to the British Empire!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
Greetings my fellow IHers - after over 6 months I thought it was time to look in and see what had happened. I found 5 PMs - my apologies for the non reply - if anybody feels the need to pick my brains, I will attempt to reply.More pleasingly, I found that my old friend, Franconius, has revived the COE and moved it on to just before the year of revolutions - interesting times indeed. Perhaps Franc I could join the game as Karl Marx - he was a frequent visitor to the Isle of Wight while he was writing the Communist manifesto.
For the moment, I will sit on the sidelines and observe - and occasionaly chuckle as the nations of Europe battle against the odds.
Great to see the "Hammer of the East" back home!!!!
USA left the game :no:
Still waiting for England, France, Prussia, Ottoman and Egypt to send orders. Hurry, gentlemen, I can hardly wait any longer :bounce:
I kinda need at least some response, peace or war either way means an entirely different set of orders and it'll hold the game up even more if I have to do both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
Got orders from Prussia!!
Still waiting for England, France, Ottoman and Egypt to send orders. :whip:
Hurry, men, I think we all want the game to start!
I don't get how you can go 2 weeks over the deadline of the first turn(if we count this as a new game).
It's very easy when we require responses from absent players before making decisions.
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Originally Posted by rickinator9
You are right. This is a very bad start. Csargo hasn't been in the forum for more than a week. Last time he promised me to send orders the next days. Kival and PP haven't been around for almost a week! Greyblades is around, but hasn't sent his orders. Therefore the four countries at war are missing. I cannot replace them by doing their job.!!
We're no longer at war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
@Franconicus I was waiting for PP but I'll send my orders today.
..? This is news to us, there's "almost 200,000" french troops making a mess of Egypt that seem to disagree and I see no "france agrees to peace" posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
Egypt and France have reached a peace agreement. So, we are no longer at war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
Nice to finally be informed, where is this peace agreement?Quote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
So no war? Anyway, this gives me new opportunities :idea2:
So we are still waiting for UK, Egypt and Ottoman?
It would appear so.
I must say it is very irregular, I've heard of secret alliances and covert wars but secret peace treaties?
Wierd. Anyway, I'll get my orders in tonight.
Oh and if france needs any help getting it's troops out of egypt we are willing to lend the use of our transport ships, we expect french troops out of the area at the end of the turn.
I also repeat: anyone found trying to continue the naval war after peace is declared will recieve a bill for ordinance expended in their 'pacification'.
Orders are finally in. :sweatdrop:
Hi, i was at first in holidays (end of dezember), but the real problem was, that I was/am ill since then and have to finish my bachelor thesis atm. Before the 5th February I won't have time for this game again :(
Great to see you are alive! I hope you are fine now and good luck for your exams.
so how are we going to deal with that?
@Kival, gl with your exams ïndeed
Am already working on the new chapter. Hope to release first things next week. You can do your diplomcy anyway!!
1847
January:
Napoleon, the former nephew of the great emperor, is elected as new president of France. High expectations are connected to this nomination. The former King leaves the country and lives from now on at the English exile.
The new Danish constitution comes into effect. From now on Schleswig and Holstein are part of the Danish realm. There a protests among the German population of Schleswig-Holstein.
The Russian government announces a peace treaty with the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire. The Porte gives up any claims on European territories except Istanbul. This declaration is unexpected and causes some irritation, but finally it causes jubilance all over Europe. With some delay, Austria, Greece and Prussia accept that treaty. It seems, though, that it was a diplomatic coup by the Russian Czar. There are parties all over Europe, especially in the freed territories. France and England do not make any statements.
The news of the peace inflames the finance markets. The Sues Channel Company stock price win three times his values within a couple of days. The company reports that it will need 30 millions more capital, but has no problem to get this on the market. Stock quotations of all English railroad, mining and producing companies raise.
The expectations of a new era of peace also reaches the stock markets at Amsterdam, Brussels, Paris, Berlin, Vienna and Petersburg, even if not in the same degree as at London.
The jubilance is decreased by the hunger crisis, which rules all over Europe, but with outmost brutality at Ireland. The English government tries to react by forbidding the export of food. However, it does nothing to increase the imports. But even this law goes too far in the eyes of some Manchester liberals.
At the same time the protests at Manchester continue. Police withdraws and mercenaries of plant owners begin to attack the workers with clubs and sabers. But this time, the workers are better prepared than the last time. They build barricades and defend themselves with stones. Soon the first shot bursts. In a bloody battle 40 men are killed and many more are wounded. Finally the government decides to stop this and sends a cavalry division to stop the riots. However, the workers are not willing to leave. Only after the government promised to pass new electoral laws with equal vote the workers agree to return to work.
Texas becomes part of the United states of America. Frictions about the new frontier between the USA and Mexico lead to an armed accident which causes a declaration of war by the Congress of the United States.
February:
The United States of America quickly recruit new soldiers and built up an army under the command of Winfield Scott.
At Manchester, a new party is found: the radical liberals. Their aim is a free and wealthy nation. They attack the government and blame it for being socialistic, corrupt and despotic.
China passes a law to restrict heroin trade.
Ten thousands demonstrate at Berlin against hunger and poverty.
The English spend several millions to lower the price of food at Iraland.
March:
An English paper, which refers to governmental sources, reports that the English government spent over 50 million talers to support Egypt and the Ottoman Empire in their war against the Holy Alliance. A speaker of the government tells, that the Empire did nothing that had not been in agreement with its international commitments.
There are anti-English protests at France, Prussia, Austria, Russia, Savoy and Sicily. French protesters demand sanctions against la perfide Albion.
East India Company expects decrease of profit for this year. It asks the government for help against the new Chinese laws.
Stock quotation of the East India Company is going down.
England starts to enlist new recruits.
Disbanded foreign volunteer regiments decide to go on pilgrimage to Jerusalem. Soon, 60,000 are heading south. After they pillaged Alexandretta, the other local governors decide to support them with free food .
April:
Algeria: There is a riot against the French occupiers. Under the leadership of Abd el-Kader French settlements and posts are burned down.
The English government passes a number of new laws. One of them introduces a equal votes to all who pay taxes. Therefore many workers and all unemployed still do not have the right to vote. This causes new protests in the industrial cities.
There is also a law which gives all colored subjects the right to get promoted in administration, army and navy. Several officers lay down their ranks and leave the army, because they cannot serve under this conditions any longer. The 1st admiral tries to mediate. He says: "Our captains were always recruited among the finest English families. This is the secret of the strength and success of the Royal Navy. And I will be damned if I have the intention to change this."
There will also free education for all children.
Arabia declares itself independent.
At the parliament there is a hard dispute between the government and the opposition. Even several members of the governmental party do not support the new course of the "communist" government.
Bad weather all over Europe makes it clear that there will be another bad harvest this year.
The English government spends money to feed the poorest in Ireland. Yet, many die. Ten thousands leave to find more luck in the United States of America.
There is a big victory celebration at Belgrade. The mob proclaims the free Kingdom of Serbia.
At Athens, there is a big national celebration. Speakers demand to reunite all Greek territories.
At China, the head of the Emperor's government makes a speech to prepare the people to a new era of Chinese supremacy. Western influence shall be pushed back. He also announces the building of a new railroad from Nanchang via Shanghai to Beijing.
May:
Tunis, Libya and Tripoli declare that they will no longer be part of the Ottoman Empire.
Moslem preachers at Sudan call all believers to free Egypt from all Western occupiers. They turn the jihad against the English possessions at the Sues and all their supporters.
The USA send convoy with food to support the suffering Irish people.
Spanish troops enter Portugal and end the upraise there. The conservative government and constitution is reinstalled.
Russia begins with the construction of the railroad Petersburg - Helsinki.
A man tries to assassinate Queen Victoria. Fortunately, the crime can be prevented and the man is arrested. The court finds out that he is insane.
The textile worker go on strike. Their goal is to set up a minimum wage so that every worker shall pay enough taxes to have the right to vote.
Four Russian divisions begin an invasion against rebellious Tartars.
At Crete, rebels take the fortress of Sfakia. Turkish patrols are attacked all across the island.
A Russian military mission under General Annenkov arrives at China.
A new railroad will be built to connect Paris, Brussels and Berlin.
Bavaria calls all European nations to help the reconstruction of Greece. Munich will send 1 million talers.
Austria announces to send weapons to equip and modernize the Greek army.
There is a celebration at Vienna to honor the victory against the Turks. The Austrian monarch announces the annexing of the occupied provinces on the Balkans. He gives himself the additional titles "Prince of Serbia" and "Duke of Kosovo and Austrian Macedonia". Several nationalistic politicians demand to "solve" the German issue, now.
Saxony makes a trade agreement with Vienna and joins the common market.
There is unrest at Beijing caused by the introduction of paper money. Merchants and workers refuse to take this new kind of "money".
June:
The Hungarian parliament protests against the new structure of the Austrian Empire. They impend to leave the realm if there will not be reforms to strengthen their autonomy.
Due to the ongoing textile crisis and the strikes several textile factories have to be closed. The railroad company of Manchester announces that it will make a deficit this year.
Mining worker join the strikes of the textile worker.
There is a big victory celebration at Petersburg. In this frame, Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaevna marries the Knyaz of Bulgaria and Grand Duchess Alexandra Nikolaevna marries the new King of Armenia.
The Russian Czar introduces a new constitution, transforming his empire into a Federal Empire.
Hamburg-Amerikanische Packetfahrt-Actien-Gesellschaft and the Ocean Steam Navigation Company start regular service between the USA and Prussia.
Siam and China sign a military pact.
California declares itself independent.
There is still no statement of France regarding the war in the east. The English government passes an ultimatum. It declares that England is an ally of Egypt and that it will attack any ship in the Mediterranean Sea if it has hostile intentions.
The English foreign minister retires. Queen Victoria expresses her concerns about political situation.
This, of course, causes new protests in France. Most of the French people see this as a declaration of war and the papers demand that the president orders the navy to attack the British Med.Squad: "Revanche pour Beirut! Revanche pour Alexandria!" However, Napoleon stays quiet.
There are riots at Sicily. The British position ends the hope of the people that there will be peace after an Egyptian defeat. Two English ships in the harbor of Palermo catch fire. Policemen, trying to fight the fire are attacked by the crowd. Protestors soon take control of the city. The King of the Two Sicilies is forced to withdraw. Protests reach Naples and spread soon further north.
All over Europe, papers report of the threat of a new war between England and France. The stock market at London breaks down, textile and railroad stocks loose incredibly. Many men of the middle class lost all of their fortune within months. Only some stocks like steel and ship yards are stable.
At Paris, the situation is similar. However, due to the share held by the states, the railroad shares do not fall so much.
Belgium and Luxembourg make a joint statement, declaring that they are determined to fulfill their commitments and will support France in case of war.
The Netherlands declare, that being a French ally, they ask both sides to solve the conflict peacefully. Spain makes a similar announcement.
July:
Napoleon declares that the war against Egypt has come to an end and that France will retreat his troops. In return Egypt gave France favorable conditions for the cotton trade.
At Paris, more than 50,000 protest against this new peace. They demand to declare war against England.
England sends military advisors and weapons to China.
There is an article in a London newspaper arguing that questioning the rights of the noble men also includes questioning the rights of the Royal Family and is certainly a case of high treason.
At Vietnam, three French missionaries are murdered. The church asks the French parliament for support and protection of the mission at Far East.
US forces win the battle of Monterey.
Tartar rebels bow to the Russian Czar.
Russia annexes the peninsula of Sakhalin.
The borders to Persia are still closed.
The Emir of Bukhara besieges the city of Khiva.
The English War Minister meets with the leaders of the Royal Navy and the Army. There seems to be an agreement, how the promotion shall be handled in the future.
August:
French troops return from the Egyptian front. They are welcomed by ten thousands. The arrival turns into protests against England.
Sardinian troops with their Prince also return home, welcomed by ten thousands Italians.
Newspaper report that France tests a new steam driven battleship in the Mediterranean Sea.
September:
The French General Bugeaud claims, that Egypt would have been defeated even in the first war of war, if the English would not supported it massively. He also argues, that victory had been close and inevitable, when Napoleon made peace and called the troops home.
1,000 German radical democrats meet at Offenbach, Baden, to demand a constitution similar to the US constitution.
October:
Heppenheimer meeting: parliamentarians from all over Germany meet and demand the creation of a German national state, including Austria and guaranteeing human rights.
The French General Bugeau, veteran of the Near East Campaign, announces that he is going to candidate as President next year.
November:
The Russian Alaska expedition returns home.
December:
Iowa joins the United States of America.
Mexican defense collapses.
The President of the United States holds a speech where he demands the west for the United States. To the English government he says: "Fifty-Four Forty or Fight!"
German citizens of Schleswig-Holstein assault the barracks. Many soldiers join them. The rebels prepare themselves for defense and ask all German states for support.
Communist Manifest is released.
This is it. I am going to send you personal info as soon as possible!
I find myself getting constantly bitten because I didn't think of things that seem obvious in retrospect or otherwise dont think of.
we want more months :D
Your wish is my command!
I'm loving these econo-political reports, Franc ^^
It's nice to read about the people's feelings...
Just a question for map drawing purposes, the self-declared Arab state, does it incorporate the Red Sea coast aswell?
No!
Why are them prussians protesting? They just got healthcare, and education!
Tell me about it!
Address to people of europe fearing more war IE the press: "The french invasion of Egypt is now redundant, the war is won yet French troops are still there long after peace was declared, still raping and pillaging the egyptians. Britain has vested interests in egypt being peaceful and ignoring it would be potentially worse in the long run for us than war, Britain most dearly desires a peaceful resolution but our continued requests for parley have gone unanswered and a ultimatum was the only recourse left. If you really wish to see an end to the threat of conflict; protest the French government's continued reluctance to so much as acknowledge our concerns."Quote:
There are riots at Sicily. The British position ends the hope of the people that there will be peace after an Egyptian defeat. Two English ships in the harbor of Palermo catch fire. Policemen, trying to fight the fire are attacked by the crowd. Protestors soon take control of the city. The King of the Two Sicilies is forced to withdraw. Protests reach Naples and spread soon further north.
...I spent 15 million a turn investing in my economy, specfically my railroads, what did france do that gave them a benefit that I didnt get?Quote:
All over Europe, papers report of the threat of a new war between England and France. The stock market at London breaks down, textile and railroad stocks loose incredibly. Many men of the middle class lost all of their fortune within months. Only some stocks like steel and ship yards are stable.
At Paris, the situation is similar. However, due to the share held by the states, the railroad shares do not fall so much.
Belgium and Luxembourg make a joint statement, declaring that they are determined to fulfill their commitments and will support France in case of war.
Can I get a rundown of what problems they say they have with it? I kinda would like to address it before the turn ends.Quote:
There is also a law which gives all colored subjects the right to get promoted in administration, army and navy. Several officers lay down their ranks and leave the army, because they cannot serve under this conditions any longer. The 1st admiral tries to mediate. He says: "Our captains were always recruited among the finest English families. This is the secret of the strength and success of the Royal Navy. And I will be damned if I have the intention to change this."
Probably should have done this earlier but...
June 18th, anouncement from parliament
The british government officially extends an invitation to the new government of France to discuss the situation in Egypt and ensure the continuation of this newfound peace. We also officially apologise for being too forceful in previous demands, we now realise that such demands were unneccissary and more likely to extend instead of expedite matters and spread feelings of resentment. We hope that the government of France will accept our apology and meet with us on this matter.
As for the issue of the new regulations of advancement of those of coloured status it is felt that the admiralty is under the impression that we wish to undermine those Englishmen who we owe so much of our security to, not so, we place no quota or obligation upon the admiralty or millitary to recruit or promote officers of inferior quality but to open the way for those who are not fortunate enough to be born anglo saxon and whose ability and loyalty is so exemplary that to deny them higher opportunity would be to Britain's detriment. We have no new expectations of the armed forces and expect them to maintain a high level of quality, we only wish to provide the power should such be needed.
HM Government
This is my view on 19th century English society:
You have basically three social classes.
Bottom up, let’s begin with workers, small farmers, artisans and unemployed. They are the losers of the industrial revolution. Machines significantly worsened their working conditions and their incomes. As long as they are able to work and have a job, they work all day long trying to make a living. Sometimes they fail. They have no share of the growth of the nation, neither of the growing industrial production nor of the colonies. If they lose their jobs, get ill or old, they may lose the base of their existence. Chances to rise into another class are marginal. These workers do care little about patriotism and politics, as they have no time for this. The nation and the government is something far away, and something you cannot expect any good to come from. Workers do not have access to papers. They do not have a voice. With the strikes, this may change. Workers may become more aware of their situation and unions may win more supporters and more influence. Of course, workers would not only try to get their share of the industrial production, but would also try to stop or at least slow down the change. They also demand work safety and social security. Moderate leaders will try to achieve this by a democratic system, where the workers can influence the policy, because they are the biggest class by numbers. More radicals do not trust in democratic changes. They aim to change the constitution and the social system by violence.
Next, middle class. Due to their education and their money they these people are the winners of the industrial revolution. They see life as a fight man against man, where the strongest earns to get it all. They are patriots and fell that they are the backbone of the nation. Their main goal is to make the step into the first class, their nightmare is to fall into the working class. Most of them prefer a radical liberalism, which they see as human right. The government should keep out of the economy. Public funding is thievery of taxes. So is social support. If workers die from hunger, than it is because of a natural law. All the middle class wants is that the government protects their freedom and safety (personal and of their property). They would like to see more transparence between the middle class and aristocracy.
The middle class controls most of the press and the House of Commons. Should the government not be able to protect them and their properties, they may organize themselves.
Finally, the aristocracy. England is a monarchy and the aristocrats are the most valuable part of society. Noble men led the country, from the times of William the Conqueror to the Napoleonic Wars. They earned their privileges through the centuries. The new times are confusing, as there are many changes. But the aristocracy guarantees stability and continuity. It holds the leading positions of the government, administration, army and navy. Giving these positions only to the noble men is the concept that made England the leading country in the world. The opposite concept would be egalitee, which the English fought in the wars against the French republic and empire. Successfully, of course, due to the supreme leadership of the aristocratic nation. The noble men look at the wealth gaining middle class with distrust. Some of these middle class men may be allowed to rise to the aristocracy, but in general the traditional monopole of the upper class has to be untouched.
Aristocracy controls the House of Lords, some papers, the administration and the armed forces.
Ah... I think I went a little too Liberal, bother.
hmpf... heroine?
If wikipedia is to be believed heroin is produced from opium.
...through techniques not developed before 1874.
so there is a difference between opium and heroin? I gotta check this! :book2:
The year is complete now. I am going to send you personal details as soon as possible (may take a week or so). Still waiting for Kival to send his orders!!
China is outraged by the Russian annexation of 库页/Kuye (Sakhalin). Kuye is our heritage, from back in time when the great Khans roamed the steppe and boasted fear into all mortal hearts! To annex this island without even any diplomatic token to the rightful owners of Kuye is despicable. We call General Annenkov to the court to explain this situation immediately.
Japan is outraged by the Russian annexation of Sakhalin, which is Japanese heritage, from back in time when the great Khans roamed the steppe and boasted fear into all mortal hearts! To annex this island without even any diplomatic token to the rightful owners is despicable. Japan will freeze al agreements, until there is an explaination from Russia.
China is outraged that Japan claims to have any heritage of the great Khans. China threatens to throw a nuclear bomb on Tokyo unless they decide to alter their previous statement.
(this is a joke ofcourse, OOC)
The British government reply: "It is against current british policy to acknowledge unbased nationalistic rhetoric as a negociation point. We find the current american government too likely to abuse and misuse the land and it's natives at this time to entertain the idea of american soverignty.Quote:
The President of the United States holds a speech where he demands the west for the United States. To the English government he says: "Fifty-Four Forty or Fight!"
We also implore the United States to end thier practice of owning slaves and thier particularly poor treatment of the native americans, such practices are a black mark on a nation and intolerable for one who would call themselves civilized in this age."
Franc, (als du Deutscher bist) ist es moeglich den Bericht in Deutsch an mich zu senden? Ich will mein Deutsch ueben... Und glaube ich, dass mein Spiel mehr realistisch sein wird. Danke schoen! ;)
P.S. Du hast auch ueber de Oesterreichische Besetzung von Krakow vergessen.
(Sorry guys, that's coded message ~:D ( tip: use google translate )
...Vienna is currently studying the complicated situation in Europe and will make an announcement soon. If in the meantime, there is somethin you wish to discuss with Prince von Metternich, please be free to do so via your ambassadors in Vienna.
Neither the Tokugawa Bakufu nor Emperor Daoguang, possess rights to the ownership of the Sakhalin Island. If the Zijin Cheng mentions a succession from the Great Khans, then the Palace must've forgotten how the Great Qing are manchurians, who claimed the Tiānmìng. That right exdents over chinese lands, Russians are as much descendants of the mongol Uls as the Manchu are. The people of Sakhalin are joining the Federal Russian Empire and will represent its citizens in the Federal Assembly. They are free and legislating over themselves, His Imperial Majesty, Czar Nikolai, hopes that this diplomatic mishap will be resolved, but Russia has no intention of respecting reduntant claims and rights, other than the local people's of Sakhalin.
State Chancellor,
Aleksandr Gorchakov
BTW here's the map as of 1847 ^^
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Awesome work! Odd, the hudson bay company should have started to colonise the unclaimed western americas by now.
Argh, yes, knew I missed something, thanks for pointing it out: all fixed now :)
Russia has no claim to Kuye at all, if anything Kuye is part of the Chinese heritage and otherwise they are a free people unlawfully subdued by the Russian usurperer and we shall defend their freedom. If the Czar, who so insultingly claims to be the descendant of the great Genghis Khan, will not respect this then our nations will be in state of conflict. However this is not our wish, therefor we call upon the Russian ambassador, General Annenkov, to meet at the imperial chambers in the Forbidden City, for a meeting in which we hope to resolve this problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arjos
We didnt restrict ourselves to the historical borders, we are currently taking as much of the unclaimed area as possible, that's why the americans are getting jumpy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arjos
I'm rather confused as to why they are risking annoying me when they are already embroiled in a war in mexico, didn't they see what british support did for the ottoman war effort?
If that is the case, as the third party involved in the Anglo-Russian Convention of 1825, any violation of the agreed latitude by the British, will be recognized as a breach of contract and will be taken as an act of war.
State Chancellor,
Aleksandr Gorchakov
They did see thatthey defeated the British in the last war - and that the Lodon got Canada back somehow!Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
Indeed the economic slump of 1840, engineered by my predecessor no doubt, combined with threats to cut off thier cotton industry from thier buyers made america relent any gains they had made, the score still has to be settled but it is not as one sided as previous.
Alas, In this timeline Britain was actually at war with america at the very time when that treaty would have been made, so as far as I am concerned there is no treaty to break, and besides, I doubt the russian tzar would have wanted a repeat of the casualties of the ottoman campaign with the seemingly upcoming ruso-sino wars.Quote:
If that is the case, as the third party involved in the Anglo-Russian Convention of 1825, any violation of the agreed latitude by the British, will be recognized as a breach of contract and will be taken as an act of war.
State Chancellor,
Aleksandr Gorchakov
Funnily enough the lack of treaty also hase a nice effect of making the americans claims on the land somewhat diminished aswell.
OoC: The historical timeline was adopted with SoFarSoGood (that's why you have Canada again) and has been used since, to make it easier for all the new players...
OOC: well ultimately it is down to Franconius, I would prefer that the old guard's generation wouldn't be retconned out of existence entirely, but I cant help but feel that if the treaty really restricted me to such extent there wouldn't be any border disputes in real history.
So I finished my bachelor thesis and will try to come back into this here. I may need a few days though.
Franconius?
Greyblades?
Oh good, worried for a moment there you went the way of SFSG.
SFSG may disappear,, popes may retire ...
Announcement:
To facilitate the bettering of relations with China, joint ownership of the British district of Hong Kong has been declared, both nations flags will be raised above the district and a representative of the chinese Emperor and British Crown will attend future local government meetings. This will not cause any real changes for the local laws currently being used but Britain hopes that it will be seen as a good will gesture to accompany a request of britain to negiociate over the matter of thier new opium laws.
HM Government.
We graciously accept this well intended gesture and we invite the British Ambassador to discuss terms for our mutual benefit in the future.
Chinese Emperor
I am still waiting for Kival to finish this round.
My mailbox is filled and I fear that I will not have much time next week. I promise to do my best.
Do not hesitate to go on with your diplomacy!
OOC: Hm... how to conduct diplomacy when I have no idea what everyone else thinks is worth talking about...
..."Hey France, that's a nice colonial empire you got there, shame if something was to happen to it."
Yeah, that works.
the game is indeed kind of silent :S
How about we all go conquer the expansionist revolutionaries against whom the british were too weak to even defeat militias?
~ Basileus Othon
OOC: Eh, no thanks letting you lot take that chestnut would mean I'd have to share the land gained, or worse yet not get a piece at all.
Well, one thing I still owe you is an answer about the north america agreement. Well, obviously, there is none. I suggest to discuss the future borders between the US, GB and Russia. I guess Mexico is out of the game.
There is still the affair about Denmark. And do not forget that next year is 1848 - historically the year of revolutions. Ireland, England, Hungary, the Balkans.
And remember the old wisdom "after war make alliances"
i hope you do not mean that usa gets ALL of mexico =_=