Athens: Summer. Harvest. War (R2TW succession game)

All hail Ishmael who will now lead the Athens to further glory.

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Originally Posted by Myth

If that tier 3 is in a capital province, tear it down ASAP. If it's a minor settlement... tear it down and rebuild it to level 2. The penalty is a PO hit which won't go away.

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Why tear it down asap? Does it actually spread another faction's influence?

I was wondering same. I always immediately tear down any structure with an explicitly stated "Spreads +X [faction] influence" attribute. Otherwise, sometimes I'll let a structure stand for a while if it's contributing something worthwhile and I'm short of money.

I've been thinking that the main penalty of a non-faction building (other than the few which spread faction-specific culture) was that it cannot be upgraded.

If there's an unstated or global penalty for non-faction buildings other than that, I haven't been aware of it (where documented?). I'd need to rethink some of my new-province assimilation practices.

I would have thought it would say that, if it's any culture other than your own. It says owning faction's.. so if you own it.. yours? Right?

Any news from the front lines?

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Originally Posted by easytarget

Any news from the front lines?

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So far so good (*knock on wood*). Very Hard difficulty isn't quite the nightmare that I'd envisaged - I'd heard reports in Rome 1 that cavalry could often smash pike phalanxes from the front on that difficulty, but it seems in Rome 2 that superior troop quality, if managed passably well, usually wins the day. I estimate I'm about two thirds of the way through my reign, so expect an AAR today or tomorrow.

Cool, look forward to seeing what twist and turns developed!!!

I continued on from where I left off and pressed through in completing the take over of Africa and the beginnings of the expansion into the Italian peninsula.

Always fascinating to see the ebb and flow of faction power, sometimes to your advantage, sometimes not. In my case, Carthage after expanding aggressively has now started to come a bit undone.

As for difficulty, I still maintain adamantly that Rome 2 is not nearly as challenging as Shogun 2. There are clans in Shogun 2 that you can play on H and VH that if you make just one wrong decision early on your dead. Or long term if you allow the wrong clan to gain too much control you have a fight on your hands to finish the victory conditions before time runs out. Here in Rome 2, any time I feel pressed, I just sit back and consolidate, no one attacks me. In Shogun 2 I'm lucky on H and VH if I can go 4 turns w/o multiple clans attacking me from multiple directions at once or successively before you can recover. In Rome 2 I can count on one finger in 150 hours the number of times I've been declared on, it finally just happened in the current campaign I'm continuing on with while waiting for your AAR.

Im doing my legendary campaign right now and im a freakin punching bag for the world. Ive been declared on at least 6 times lost 4 provinces and only gained 1 back after that.... fun fun lol im loving it and hating my life at the same time

That's actually encouraging to hear. So, which faction are you playing?

The Reign of Aegon Targaryen (215BC - 176BC)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2DuyYIgIp4

When Aegon became ruler of Athens at age 31, most expected him to be a cautious, bookish ruler, focused on knowledge and the economy. In the first of these they were correct, as he sponsored the establishment of a number of libraries and academies across Athenian territory. But the rest of his funds went towards only one thing – building an army that would restore Athens to the glory of the days of Alexander.

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Athenian Empire, 215BC.

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Aegon in his early years.

Aegon took command of the Athenian army stationed in Libya, renaming it the 'Eighth Army' *. He was soon reinforced by Alkmaion's army that had been stationed in Illyria, in preparation for the coming campaigns in North Africa. With Alkmaion guarding his flank, Aegon struck at the unguarded Nasamones town of Augila in a surprise attack. The Nasamones armies, desperately trying to hold their newly acquired city of Lepcis against Libya and their protector Carthage, were in no position to fight back, and a peace treaty was signed the next year. Such strikes against weakened and distracted targets were to prove a trademark of the many campaigns Aegon was to conduct over the years.

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Athenian forces assembled for an attack. Aegon is visible as the cavalryman with a shield.

After the confidence-boosting victory against the Nasamones, Athenian forces were moved eastwards to prepare for the invasion of a more challenging foe – Ptolemaic Egypt. Athenian spies had reported that the majority of the Egyptian army was stationed on their eastern frontier, fighting against the dominant Seleucid Empire. Aegon seized the opportunity, offering to join the Seleucids in their war in exchange for a defensive alliance and military access. This gave Athens a justification for invading the formerly friendly Egypt, as well as ensuring its soon to be captured territories would be secure against Seleucid expansion afterwards.

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Athenian troops push into Egypt.

Egpyt collapsed like a house of cards. Seleucid armies hammered their Egyptian counterparts as they rushed to defend their homeland, leaving Athens nothing to do but mop up the occasional remnant and capture the defenceless Egyptian cities. Indeed, the greatest threat to Athens' conquests were the Seleucids' own satrapies, who raced Athens down the length of the Nile in order to try and capture the Egyptian cities for themselves. Fortunately, Athens was able to stay one step ahead, and secured the entirety of the province of Aegyptus.

A sour note did enter the campaign shortly after the capture of Alexandria, however, when assassins targeted Aegon himself, although fortunately only wounding him. Aegon was even more furious to learn that, unlike his predecessor who was also wounded by assassins, these had been sent by political rivals from within his own faction! In retribution Aegon sent a group of thugs to beat the leader of the Oligarchs in Athens to near-death. Aegon thought the Oligarchs cowed after this, but history would show they were simply taking a longer view of events....

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Aegon reacted poorly to the attempt on his life.

Even before the beginning of the Egyptian campaign, plans were being drawn up to deal with the Spartan problem. Whilst Sparta professed itself to be an ally of Athens, Aegon's predecessors had been betrayed on several occasions by Spartan troops abandoning those of Athens on the eve of a battle. It was clear they were trying to undermine Athenian success from within, and that they must therefore be destroyed. Athenian diplomats requested that Knossos break off diplomatic relations with Sparta, but when they refused Athens in turn rescinded all it's treaties with Knossos. Nothing would stop their vengeance, and the final unification of Greece.

'The Spears of Ares,' a newly recruited army centred around pike formations, was marched south to the Spartan border, joining 'The Heros of Xenophon' who were already there. As with Egypt, Aegon was unwilling to invade such a long-standing friendly state without a convincing casus belli, but this came when Sparta signed a defensive alliance with Egypt. Denouncing them as traitors to the people of Greece, Aegon ordered an invasion of Sparta. Athenian forces assaulted the city, whittling down the defenders with missile fire before moving in with hoplites and pikes to finish the job. The newly launched Athenian navy, 'Brizo's Wards,' sank 10 Spartan transports near Pella, thus eliminating Spartan forces. Mainland Greece was once again united.

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Spartan Royal Guard cowering before the Athenian missile fire.

Knossos declared war on Athens in support of their Spartan allies, in a brave but foolish gesture. Even more foolish was their decision to send most of their fleets and armies south, in an apparent bid to threaten Athens' African holdings. 'Brizo's Wards' were able to take Crete in a naval assault against its diminished defences, and this severing of supply lines rendered remaining Knossian forces largely toothless – an annoyance, perhaps, but certainly not a threat.

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The Athenian fleet preparing to assault Crete.

Whilst the war against Knossos was being conducted, Pergamon declared that it had allied with Egypt, and was therefore declaring war on Athens. Aegon was surprised at this news, given that the last Egyptian settlement was currently under siege by Athenian forces, and that all of Pergamon's fleets had been sunk as a result of its conflict with Rhodes. Still, Aegon was more than happy to seize the opportunity to expand into Asia Minor. 'The Heros of Xenophon,' escorted by the Athenian navy, were dispatched to conquer Pergamon's only city of Ephesus, with they did with little difficulty.

Much of western Asia Minor was controlled at this time by Bythinia. Athenian spies reported that their forces were weak as a result of conflict with the barbarian tribes to their north-western border, and so a newly-recruited Athenian army was dispatched to this border in order to catch them in a vice. Bythinia aided their destruction by allying with Egypt and declaring war on Athens (Egypt, it should be noted, consisted of a small fleet in the Mediterranean by this point). The invasion was largely unchallenged until the Bythinian last stand at Pessinus. Whilst their numerical superiority enabled them to nullify the Athenian skirmisher component, the heavily armoured and well disciplined Athenian phalanxes were able to cut through the vastly inferior Bythinian melee troops. Athens had now reclaimed the Greek cities of Asia, and so Aegon turned his attention back to the west.

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Bythinian forces made a desperate last stand at Pessinus.

While the invasion of Bythinia was underway, Athenian troops, consisting of Aegon's Eighth Army, Alkmaion's army, and the greatly expanded fleet 'The Heralds of Glaucus,' had been stationed in the west of the province of Libya. They swept through the single regions held by the Nasamones and Garamantia, who had been weakened by their war with Libya, and without pause conquered Libya in turn. Carthage, reduced to a shadow of its former self by the Turdetani invading from Spain, had rescinded its protection over Libya, but this was not enough to save them. Athenian forces captured their last cities of Thapsus and Syracusae against minimal resistance; Carthago itself had been conquered by the Turdetani the year before.

Athenian forces in the west began preparations to conquer Italy, whilst those in the east were resting after the successful conquest of Bythinia. Aegon was viewed as a conquering hero – but his neglect of affairs at home was about to cause matters to come to a head.

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Uh oh....

Civil war erupted, with a full nine armies and six navies being raised by the Oligarchs in Athens. At first, Aegon was in shock. “How could this happen!” he railed at his advisors. “How could these traitors possibly raise such forces without our knowledge?” Not only did the rebels outnumber his land forces by almost 2:1 and his navies by 3:1, but they had seized Athens itself!

But Aegon was not a man to let events overtake him. After shaking off his initial despair, he ordered an interim capital to be established at Pella. He was determined to contain the rebel forces along a line from Pella to Appolonia, ceding southern Greece but also maintaining the main agricultural areas of the empire. The rebel forces were to be ground down in a war of attrition, with Athenian forces striking at targets of opportunity from their fortified settlements whilst rebel troops deserted or died from hunger. Pella was to be fortified with higher walls and additional siege equipment, whilst Appolonia was to be assisted by the two fleets of the Athenian navy.

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Aegon at the outbreak of civil war.

Aegon's plans came undone almost immediately. Rebel forces quickly seized Sparta and Larissa, as expected, but also moved unexpectedly quickly against Cronos' army 'The Brothers of Xenophon,' which was defending the river crossing leading to Pella. 2500 Athenian troops faced 9500 rebel soldiers, but Cronos had his orders - make them pay for every foot of ground they take.

Before the battle, Cronos split his force in two. The smaller force would defend a small bridge to his left flank, whilst the larger would defend against the expected main body of the enemy assault at a ford. The battle opened with a large force of skirmishers attacking the Athenian positions at the ford. Cronos sent his light cavalry to disperse them, and they succeeded in routing almost all of them. Unfortunately, before they could return to behind friendly lines they were caught by three rebel generals, and their bodyguards of lancers. Two units of Athenian hoplites were sent to try and kill these enemy commanders, but were only able to eliminate one before being forced to retreat by the enemy infantry body. Meanwhile, the force by the bridge defeated a small group of pikemen sent by the rebels in a flanking attempt.

The main clash of troops in the ford was vicious. The water soon ran red with blood. Athenian arrows rained from the sky, and Athenian hoplites held to their phalanxes, but sheer weight of numbers meant they were pushed back, step by step. Eventually, it became clear to Cronos that the battle was lost. He ordered his skirmishers and the force holding the bridge to withdraw back to Pella. The remaining hoplites at the ford held valiantly, and when they broke Cronos himself charged the enemy at the head of his bodyguard, buying time for the retreat. His body was later to be recovered at the foot of a mountain of corpses. He died well.

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Athenian hoplites fight to hold back the tide.

Cronos' force may have been defeated, but they had done their duty – rebel forces were badly bloodied, and were unable to continue their advance on Pella. Indeed, three of the four rebel armies in the battle redeployed to the south-west, in preparation for an assault on Appolonia. This presented a perfect opportunity for Prochoros, leading 'The Spears of Ares,' to counter-attack the one weakened army remaining. The rebels fled, but were caught by Prochoros on a plain just outside Larissa, and battle was joined.

The rebel army was reinforced by levies from the city of Larissa, bringing their total strength to 2000 men – not enough to match the 2500 soldiers in 'The Spears of Ares.' The Athenian skirmishers forced the rebels forward onto the Athenian pikes, and Prochoros, demonstrating his love of cavalry on the battlefield, had his citizen cavalry wheel around and envelop the rebel army, catching their skirmishers by surprise and running 'hammer and anvil' strikes against their engaged infantry. The battle ended quickly, with relatively small Athenian losses and the rebel forces fleeing towards Larissa. Prochoros quickly followed up by capturing Larissa, then razing it as punishment for supporting the rebels and returning north.

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Aftermath of the First Battle of Larissa.

'The Spears of Ares' marched north quickly, eager to return to the safety of Pella. Unfortunately they proved a little too hasty, and the outriders had barely brought word that a large rebel army was over the next hill before they were attacked. The Athenian pike line was able to assemble, but the hoplites supporting the left flank were still disorganised when they were charged by enemy cavalry, followed by their supporting pikemen. Worse still, the rebel commander proved far better than the previous in countering Prochoros' cavalry envelopments through skillful manoeuvring of his hoplites, leaving the battle to be decided by the Athenian infantry.

They won, barely. The hoplites on the Athenian left flank collapsed, and the pikes on that side of the battlefield were involved in a brutal, close-quarters melee for which they were unsuited. Prochoros had to personally involve himself in the melee, running repeated charges against the backs of the rebel troops, until the death of the rebel commander finally shattered the resolve of his army. Prochoros' cavalry finally proved useful in the pursuit of the routing troops, killing or capturing enough that the rebel army had to disband. The captives were executed.

Once again 'The Spears of Ares' moved to retreat back north, and once again they were prevented from doing so. A third rebel army, following hot on the heels of the one they had just defeated, were shadowing them and threatening their supply lines **. Prochoros' troops had fought off two rebel armies in quick succession. They were tired and bloodied, with no means of retreat. There was only one thing to do. Prochoros ordered the attack.

The rebel forces were so surprised by the Athenians turning on them that they could not retreat to Larissa before they were caught. The enemy army had been weakened by desertion and starvation, meaning both forces were roughly equal in number. The rebels had the advantage of being able to hold a hill – however, 'The Spears of Ares' made their attack in the rain, thus reducing the enemy skirmisher advantage. Prochoros was able to outmanoeuvre the inexperienced enemy commander, attacking from the shallowest side of the hill and easily pulling off a double envelopment. The rebels were run down and killed, to the last man. 'The Spears of Ares' had now destroyed three rebel armies, and had achieved a legendary reputation amongst the rest of the Athenian army.

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Prochoros completely outmaneuvered rebel forces at the Third Battle of Larissa.

Meanwhile, at Appolonia, Aegon was faced with a difficult choice. Roughly double the Athenian numbers of troops and ships had been sighted approaching the settlement, and Aegon knew his forces could not hold against such numbers. Reluctantly, he ordered his forces to move north and abandon Appolonia.

Whilst it was not apparent at the time, this was to be a turning point in the war. Athenian successes at Larissa forced the rebels that were preparing to attack Appolonia to return to southern Greece, thus forfeiting any chance of capturing new farmland to feed their troops. The two Athenian fleets caught and destroyed a single, isolated rebel fleet, showing that Athens could still be victorious at sea. Aegon's forces on the west coast of Greece were able to meet up with a newly-recruited army in Illyria, and prepare themselves for a drive south. And perhaps most importantly, the victories of 'The Spears of Ares' showed that even though the enemy was numerically superior, they could be beaten. The spirit of the Athenian army had been restored.

The rebels were now in serious trouble. Their armies and fleets were all greatly feeling the lack of food, and several had lost half or more of their men to attrition. Athenian armies were able to push south, driving the rebels onto their transports in the Aegean. Sparta was retaken, and the honour of liberating Athens was given to 'The Spears of Ares.' Greece was reunited, and whilst the rebels were not yet defeated (one of their fleets slipped around those of Athens and captured Iader, in Illyria), the imminent victory of Athens was ensured.

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'The Spears of Ares' were given the honour of liberating Athens

Aegon had continued to survive in the past few years through sheer strength of will. Now into his seventies, he had been campaigning for most of his life, in Egypt, Libya, Sicily and Greece itself. When he received news of the liberation of Athens he wept tears of joy, and the next morning he did not wake. Aegon had ruled over a turbulent period in the history of Athens, but despite all the challenges he had restored Athens to the title of the greatest nation in the known world. May his successors continue the legacy of Alexander.

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Athenian Empire, 176BC.


* Yes, I realise this is horribly out of character. I'm from the Commonwealth; I can name an army fighting in Libya Eighth Army if I want :beam:.
** This is an 'in-character' explanation for a quirk in the game mechanics, where because an enemy army occupied Larissa and my army was within its zone of control, they couldn't move.

Notes, Comments and Observations:

Well, that was a roller coaster ride. Needless to say, the civil war erupted pretty much immediately after I commented to easytarget that things were going well :laugh4:. I think the civil war is all but beaten - our land armies are about equal in number to those of the rebels but not half-dead from attrition, and their navy doesn't have much of a chance if they don't have any land provinces to supply them. Some other stuff that my successor should probably know:

-Your character, Admiral Lysimachus, is 65. Sorry. I managed to get Cronos killed off (who was the original heir, and a year older than Aegon), but admirals are hard to kill whilst preserving the fleet, especially as I auto-resolve naval battles. I was very fortunate myself to get such a young ruler.

-Once the civil war is over, look to the frontiers. There are consistently about 3 stacks loitering near the Ethiopian border, but at least you have friendly relations and NAPs with most of the factions there. More worrying are the barbarians to the north, who have even more troops but without the friendly relations. I think only their infighting has prevented an invasion so far.

-The economy is...not poor, exactly, but rather hopelessly inefficient. I tend to run an 'economy by conquest,' whereby as long as a province is not actively rebelling I'll ignore it. Thus there are a lot of unconverted buildings of foreign cultures, unupgraded temples and ports, and a fair amount of redundant surplus public order in some provinces. Fortunately a cash infusion came in just before Aegon died as the result of completing a mission, so you've got $20 000 in the bank to deal with that sort of thing.

Anyway, I had great fun doing this, and I'm eagerly awaiting the future installments of this saga. Good luck to all!

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Either @Sp4 or @Kamakazi.

Awesome job, Ishmael, on both the campaign and the AAR chapter. Great stuff. Athens kinda "exploded" here...territory roughly doubled? Some great battles...nearly 4000 kills at Pessinus, and I'm sure that Cronos' defeat was a bloodbath as well. Kudos to Spears of Ares.

Seems to me the Civil War erupted rather early, even if we'd basically been ignoring politics. Had we hit 3rd Imperium? Also surprised to see 9/6 armies/fleets. Is that difficulty level related, or did I perhaps miss one of the Patch 5 notes (my last CW occurred during Patch 4, on Normal difficulty).

@Myth, a proposal for "on the fly" rule change: How about a player who inherits a 60+ yr old FL has the option (not obligation) to play the following FL as well? "60" might be a tad early, maybe 62-63ish? I understand part of the concept is that some players will have shorter reigns than others...but I'd like to see each guy in rotation have opportunity to play at least 10-15 turns. Lysimachus is already on borrowed time; next player might have less than 5 turns. Sometimes a character will go into early 70s...but I've also had natural causes kill an FL in early 60s...youngest outlier I've noticed was about 58.

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Originally Posted by easytarget

That's actually encouraging to hear. So, which faction are you playing?

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Royal Scythia.

Also idk if it is me or SP4 as he was supposed to be before me. If it is me that really sucks cuz ill get a dead ruler lol

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Originally Posted by Kamakazi

Also idk if it is me or SP4 as he was supposed to be before me. If it is me that really sucks cuz ill get a dead ruler lol

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Well, Sp4 posted not to expect him back til Wednesday (6 Nov, I assume). I'm not running this thing, but my suggestion would be to keep going with the rotation, and then Sp4 gets re-inserted into the order whenever he returns.

I concur about the nearly-dead Faction Leader. Hence my proposal above.

well I guess well wait to see what myth says

Great Job Ishmael!!! Very satisfying to see the expansion continue, and Straton dies a happy man knowing that even though he was cut down in his prime right at the kick off point of pursuing his dream, his successor more than pushed forward on Africa but additionally created a firm foothold of multiple provinces on that continent!

The Civil War did come quite early, that's quite interesting. I played on from the end of my turns and took Africa as well in my campaign but kept the politics balanced between the Oligarchs and myself and I don't foresee it coming soon (that said, it's probably just as well to get it knocked out early, it'll only get worse down the road).

As for how long someone's rule is, mine was only 20 years, so they do sometimes come at you quite short. Perhaps if someone goes below 20 they should go back into the rotation for another turn, for example if the next guy does actually get only about 5 years rule they should be back in the list for another go.

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Originally Posted by Sp4

I would have thought it would say that, if it's any culture other than your own. It says owning faction's.. so if you own it.. yours? Right?

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The culture bonuses are labeled "Latin” or “Hellenic”, etc. As Rome, I get rid of any non-Latin culture exponents.

I have allowed a temple of Poseidon to remain standing on Rhodes, however. It gives 6 food, +2 PO and “level 2 ship hulls (+10% health) upon recruitment”. Despite saying “upon recruitment” upgrading is possible for any fleet in port. No downsides that I can see. I never plan to knock it down. We know he’s Neptune!

I also have an inn at Massalia that gives me 12 food and +2 experience for all new agents. This one stays, too.

p.s. Alien cultures do deny you any garrison forces you might otherwise get from your own replacement.

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Originally Posted by Bramborough

Well, Sp4 posted not to expect him back til Wednesday (6 Nov, I assume). I'm not running this thing, but my suggestion would be to keep going with the rotation, and then Sp4 gets re-inserted into the order whenever he returns.

I concur about the nearly-dead Faction Leader. Hence my proposal above.

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I will be back home/available on Thursday, 7th November. If the game is still going by then and if everyone is okay with it, I'd like to get back in then. If not, I'd like to take part in the next one :D

Thanks for your responses guys!

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Originally Posted by Bramborough

Awesome job, Ishmael, on both the campaign and the AAR chapter. Great stuff. Athens kinda "exploded" here...territory roughly doubled? Some great battles...nearly 4000 kills at Pessinus, and I'm sure that Cronos' defeat was a bloodbath as well. Kudos to Spears of Ares.

Seems to me the Civil War erupted rather early, even if we'd basically been ignoring politics. Had we hit 3rd Imperium? Also surprised to see 9/6 armies/fleets. Is that difficulty level related, or did I perhaps miss one of the Patch 5 notes (my last CW occurred during Patch 4, on Normal difficulty).

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10 regions to 28 regions - territory nearly tripled! I'm pretty proud of that. As for the civil war, I tend to completely ignore politics (I don't quite 'get' it yet), which probably contributed to its earlier triggering. If I recall correctly we were not yet at third imperium, and the balance of political power was about 50/50. I think the number of armies and fleets must also be difficulty based - since my only previous long game has been as Parthia on Normal, I was used to dealing with six armies and no fleets. The latter took a little getting used to in this game!

As for succession of old characters...I don't know. It probably wouldn't be fair of my to weigh in anyway, given that I've already had a very substantive turn. I do feel that people who have their ruler die early should have some means of playing this a bit more, whether it be continuing straight on or going back in the queue for another go.

well I haven't picked up the game save. I want to get a for sure answer on what were doing here

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Originally Posted by Sp4

Why tear it down asap? Does it actually spread another faction's influence?

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There's no need to have a main settlement upgraded higher than tier 1 as it only brings in expenses and a PO hit at higher levels but it produces nothing of value in the long term. You can upgrade it only if you really need upgraded roads in that province or if you have food and PO to spare and want more growth and gold.

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Originally Posted by Ishmael

So far so good (*knock on wood*). Very Hard difficulty isn't quite the nightmare that I'd envisaged - I'd heard reports in Rome 1 that cavalry could often smash pike phalanxes from the front on that difficulty, but it seems in Rome 2 that superior troop quality, if managed passably well, usually wins the day. I estimate I'm about two thirds of the way through my reign, so expect an AAR today or tomorrow.

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You are mixing up campaign difficulty and battle difficulty in Rome 1. For campaign difficulty, anything below normal made the AI gradually like you more. Normal was neutral. On H and VH it gradually hated you more, and it got a flat bonus of gold per turn (I think around 3000 but it might vary by faction). Battle difficulty gave your troops extra morale, attack and defence below Normal, it was even at Normal level, on H the AI got 3attack/3defence and some extra morale. On VH it racked up to 7 Att/Def and a lot more morale. So you can see how with the Rome 1 values (where units had between 5 and 20 attack and defence total) a flat increase of 7 to both would make a huge difference. You would see peasants routing Hastati for example. In Rome 2 the difficulty slider adds Ai bonuses but they are not hard stats and nothing as insane as in Rome 1. It must be noted also, that this gamey +7 att/def bonus was only a problem early on. Once you got to your elite troops you could still win handily, plus routing enemies with a good rear charge still worked despite the morale bonus, and the AI was much more prone to suiciding its general, thus breaking morale was usually the most cost-effective way to win.

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Originally Posted by easytarget

Cool, look forward to seeing what twist and turns developed!!!

I continued on from where I left off and pressed through in completing the take over of Africa and the beginnings of the expansion into the Italian peninsula.

Always fascinating to see the ebb and flow of faction power, sometimes to your advantage, sometimes not. In my case, Carthage after expanding aggressively has now started to come a bit undone.

As for difficulty, I still maintain adamantly that Rome 2 is not nearly as challenging as Shogun 2. There are clans in Shogun 2 that you can play on H and VH that if you make just one wrong decision early on your dead. Or long term if you allow the wrong clan to gain too much control you have a fight on your hands to finish the victory conditions before time runs out. Here in Rome 2, any time I feel pressed, I just sit back and consolidate, no one attacks me. In Shogun 2 I'm lucky on H and VH if I can go 4 turns w/o multiple clans attacking me from multiple directions at once or successively before you can recover. In Rome 2 I can count on one finger in 150 hours the number of times I've been declared on, it finally just happened in the current campaign I'm continuing on with while waiting for your AAR.

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I agree that some starts in Shogun II legendary felt nigh on impossible. However, several factions in Rome II when played on Legendary will also have quite a tough start, and one that would vary depending on your choices. Especially diplomacy and troop recruitment/disbandment.

I agree that inheriting a very old FL will be underwhelming. I propose a simple rule: each player must play out the full term of their original faction leader, but if said term is smaller than 15 turns, then they can play up to the difference (to get at least 15 turns) from the next FL's lifespan and then pass him over. This will prevent someone getting a 60 year old guy, play him for 5 turns and then getting a 20 year old who lives until 60, because a lot will change in 45 turns.

BTW @Ishmael great job on such rapid expansion and effectively crippling the civil war armies! Though I must note that upon fresh conquests I always restructure the infrastructure there. There is little gain in conquering new lands if they are not optimized to fit into one's empire and to supply its needs.

So myth who is next up in this rotation? is it me or are we waiting on sp4 ?

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I agree that inheriting a very old FL will be underwhelming. I propose a simple rule: each player must play out the full term of their original faction leader, but if said term is smaller than 15 turns, then they can play up to the difference (to get at least 15 turns) from the next FL's lifespan and then pass him over. This will prevent someone getting a 60 year old guy, play him for 5 turns and then getting a 20 year old who lives until 60, because a lot will change in 45 turns.

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That sounds reasonable. Athens has already reached a point where 15 turns is a pretty decent chunk of play....it's a good minimum.

@Kamakazi

Check page 1 its your turn.

Ill pick it up tomorrow.... gotta go to my gfs before she murders me....

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There's no need to have a main settlement upgraded higher than tier 1 as it only brings in expenses and a PO hit at higher levels but it produces nothing of value in the long term. You can upgrade it only if you really need upgraded roads in that province or if you have food and PO to spare and want more growth and gold.

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I upgrade because I can. I want to see the full assortment of things in the game, and by mid game with my focus almost exclusively on economy, I've had income running at 15-20k a turn, after awhile, money simply isn't an issue any more. The only thing that slows me down from maxing every settlement on the map is food and squalor, not money.

I tend to upgrade to level 3 on walled settlements because that gives more settlement defenses, which makes it easier to defend against large number of enemies. That really is the main reason I guess. Also because at that level the squalor and food consumption, provided you managed the other villages correctly, isnt bad enough for me to not do it.

Yeah, same here, I can't ever really get'em past 3 in most of the provinces, not because of money as I said, but just because squalor or food get in the way.

It's really a bit strange, at least to me, that CA has in effect with these two restrictions on build out made it so I miss out on 1/4th of everything they put into the game in the way of settlement development, because where the rubber meets the road in an actual campaign, I'm either on the edge on squalor or food.

But you know what, while I'm thinking about it, in my current campaign I'll get up say a million in the bank and instead of just collecting more money I'll crank down taxes which will ease the strain on the settlements and give me the ability to max'em out a bit more. Should of thought of that sooner.

Again, for no reason other than I like to see what's in the game.

Oh, and yeah, I get 3's on settlements for defense so the army can wander off w/o worrying too much about being forced to hang around.

Level IV cities/towns are quite viable...but only if they're the last thing upgraded in the province. Can't support them on level III farms/temples/theaters, etc. Maybe one, but not all the towns in a province.

By the time all the necessary techs are researched, however, it's usually pretty late in the game. The empire is large enough that money probably isn't an issue. So yeah, there's probably no need to build them. By the same token, at that stage of the game, what else is there to spend the money on? Army and agent caps are maxed out.

And anyway, it's fun. Got Africa cranking out 10K/turn on normal taxes during Pontus AAR game, and then later went on to meet the 80K/turn eco-victory condition on low tax rate. Mainly due to having Level IV capitals and resource towns. Even the regular market towns were at least Level III, and many of them were Level IV as well.

ok uhh who can tell me how to upload the save file? My turn is done

So, was it natural causes or war that got him?

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ok uhh who can tell me how to upload the save file? My turn is done

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Just zip/rar the file, go here, and click 'upload file' (top left).

Looking forward to the AAR!

The Reign of Lysimachus 175-159BC (15 Turns)

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https://i.imgur.com/DxdQeME.jpg
A young mind awakend an old body. A rough wave awoke Lysimachus from his dreams. Just a year ago his brother Aegon had died. And not a day went past that it hurt any less. His task was to unite the world under a growing Athens banner. Like all those before him he would not fail.

Aegon had died before he could put down the civil war that was dividing the country. Fools, Lysim thought. How could anyone think to throw down our family? Ill finish my forbearers work. Quickly the old admiral sent orders to his generals: Crush this enemy. Destroy his heart, tear out his soul! I want them gone!

https://i.imgur.com/mYIP0XK.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/eInEj5C.jpg



Victories were all that were known while dispatching the rebels. Their navies stood no chance. And likewise their armies fell in quick succession. Though they did not go without a fight. It took Lysimachus and his generals many battles to finally bring them to their end.
https://i.imgur.com/PfKsDUi.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/aKmbqO7.jpg



After the quelling of the civil war Lysimachus was at a loss. What to do he wondered.... Where should we go next? It was decided that Triballi, to the north, was an easy target. All it took was but one campaign to bring them to their knees. A single army stormed the castle and won victory.
https://i.imgur.com/7H1VTmn.jpg



Next it was Macedon. A re-emerging country, to weak to make it in the days of old, tried to resurface. "The weak should stay where they belong!" Lysim exclaimed. And so it was. Macedon was crushed beneath Athens hoplite hordes.
https://i.imgur.com/4amTv2k.jpg



Small meaningless states brought no glory...... Athens needed a challenge. They needed a good fight in order to bring glory and honor the gods.

Pontus.....

Those eastern weaklings had been coddled for far to long. Done is our non aggression. If they cant be our equals, they don't deserve to live. And shortly war was declared on Pontus.

The first battle in the Pontic campaign was fought at the Pontic town of Ancrya. Lysimachus fully expected a long siege, or even a bloody assault. Instead he was greeted with a sally and a glorious fight on the field! Maybe, Lysim thought, just maybe this will be the glorious conquest he envisioned. Between Pontus and their allies Trapezos maybe they had enough to give us a fight. The Athenian generals took to the field. They were ready to test this Pontic foe. Long had they heard of the legendary Pontic swordsman. But what good would that do against the hoplite phalanx?
https://i.imgur.com/DZPl7fS.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KilVjJh.jpg


The battle was over. Far to soon. Far to easily. Pontic swordsmen.... Bah more like Pontic sheep. Weak and untrained.

Soon after the fall of Ancrya came the combination assault, by naval and ground forces, on Sinope.
https://i.imgur.com/lT0OiGf.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5dVuw4I.jpg


Taking to the waters Lysimachus ordered his fleet into the attack. Strings of the heavy ballista thrummed as bolts arced and met the hulls of the Pontic warships. Several were sunk before they were even reached by the boarding parties. The naval battle culminated in the mass sinking of the enemy navy. The screams of drowning Pontic soldiers was like music to Lysimachus' ears.
https://i.imgur.com/hmbUU78.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GObGFAE.jpg


With the enemy navy out of the way the foot units of Athens stormed the beach to the rear of the Pontic army, effectively creating a second front in which they had to defend. With the cavalry creating a soft third front the town was totally surrounded. No one was to come out alive. Alas it was far to much for the Pontic army to handle. They were destroyed by the three pronged assault. Death followed each screaming Pontic soldier.
https://i.imgur.com/vjTgt9X.jpg


The Athenian war machine rolled on. Athens took Amaesia next. It was a simple battle. Yet another route in this pitiful war. Lysimachus was overjoyed at the expansion of his empire. He beamed from ear to ear and was proud of his warriors and generals alike. One battle was all it took to crush Trapezos.
https://i.imgur.com/qKAzkHu.jpg


Lysimachus was 75 years old after the defeat of Trapezos. So he called his brother Prochoros to him. Always it had been thus. The older admiral and his younger brother. The Admiral and the General. They spent a long time talking. "It will soon be my time to die brother" Lysim said " and you must carry on my vision. You must put down this Pontic threat and go on to greater things!" Agreements were made and as the night grew cold Lysimachus went to sleep.


Never again did his brother wake. Prochoros stood in the sun and pondered all that his brother had told him but a night before. He would continue his brothers work. He would throw down Pontus and then he would throw down anyone else who was in his way.
https://i.imgur.com/pdqHMud.jpg


Ten years younger than his older brother Prochoros became king at age 55. Neigh a stranger to battle. He was a six star general. Beaten and bloodied many times. He had the best army of Athenian brothers that had ever been fielded. He trusted every man., even knew a lot of them by name. Prochoros continued his brothers work. But in his own image. He quickly decided subdue Ardhan. Sending two of his generals to surround and destroy them. After a single bloody battle it was over. Ardhan was gone.
https://i.imgur.com/hjQ3Dp9.jpg


Prochoros continued to hammer his Pontic foes all the way back to Ektabana. The last hold of the once mighty Pontic empire. An empire once stretching a good chunk of the Middle East. Three Athenian armies stood out side of the gates. Ready to assault it. Prochoros gave the order. It was a beautifully sunny day. To bad it had to be sullied by war.
https://i.imgur.com/NMiTscy.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/J5cfGcm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5CEIxPN.jpg


The Fighting was both on the walls and through them. Hoplites tore down the gates and breached the walls with ladders. Burning oil poured upon the Athenian attackers but it didn't matter. The walls were mounted by hoplites who then flanked the gate defenders. Athenian archers posted on the walls raining death from the heavens.
https://i.imgur.com/mz3IG1K.jpg


Entering the city more defenders tried to rally. One group of hoplites were cut off and surrounded but were eventually saved. Even the Pontic chariots were no match for the Athenian army. They barely put a dent in a hoplite unit before being routed. After a long battle the enemies finally routed. Fleeing from the very gates they swore to hold only the morning before.


https://i.imgur.com/NQ2kk9L.jpg

*I took 15 Turns no more.
*I doubled the income of the empire
*I created 2 new armies and came very close to the next stage of imperium
*IMO strike north towards the horde
*Oh btw I unnamed the eighth army. It was killing my immersion, sorry.
* This was great fun I hope to get a longer turn next time though =/
*Ill post up the link for the save as soon as I figure out how the hell it works.

yea I tried going to that area you linked but it doesn't give me any option to upload a file only download those already there

I believe if you go to the advanced post option you can add an attachment. Should be on the top row, next to the smilies.

Also I believe that @Veho Nex is next?

Nice job Kamakazi.

"The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. And you have burned so very, very brightly.."

Tried that as well... wont let me upload all it does is give the icon but never actually uploads it

BTW ty easy =)

So try this: http://www.mediafire.com/

Nice work Kamakazi! I'm glad to see Prochoros became faction leader, he's just an all-round badass. I'm also glad to see the Athenian Empire spreading to the east, recreating the glory of Alexander. Good stuff.

attempting that now... do the pics on my aar look messed up to anyone else but me?

http://www.mediafire.com/?60ido8jt8lb11lg

@VehoNex

Nah they look fine. Great job by the way, Athens really got large, cant wait for my turn!

Ok good.. cuz they are like half cut off when I look at them.... Im really mad though.... Pontus has no territories left but they have 1 army hiding somewhere and I couldn't kill it before my turn was up ='(

I just want to state early. Forgive my story telling abilities. I will try my best to make it a good AAR.

Awesome job. Looks like we got some good mileage out of Lysimachus after all; I don't think I've ever had a FL hit 75. A couple have made it to 73-74ish.

Had to laugh at Pontus still fielding Eastern spears at this stage. I get the impression that once AI builds a unit, it never replaces until killed in battle, regardless of barracks development. In current Egypt campaign, I've defeated Meroe/Blemmyes armies of starter troops...then take their settlements to find that these guys had access to Thorax pikes/swords.

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Im really mad though.... Pontus has no territories left but they have 1 army hiding somewhere and I couldn't kill it before my turn was up ='(

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Hate it when that happens, mainly because it means their agents stay alive and keep poisoning, burning, inciting, etc.

I like the "15-turn" rule, at least at this stage of the campaign. Athens is big enough now that even just 15 turns is a pretty solid chunk of gameplay. Although with Prochoros at 60 (right?), likely that Veho Nex may have the option to use it as well. What are the odds that two FL's in a row will make 75?

Will post the update in the first page, I'm figuring some technical stuff out.

Just to get my ball rolling because I've been holding off posting an AAR due to my crappy writing skills Im going text book time line on you suckers! Get ready for dates and events gentle-leaders for Athens marches to the slaughter.

159 B.C.E.: King Prochoros orders the construction of a massive fleet using the efforts of the entire empire. Emissaries are sent to the far corners of the world to boost trade.
http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/...B7EE30793BC4E/
In the region of Persis and Media Magna Athenian forces numbering more than 10,000 men gather along the border of Persia and Baktria in preparation for war. In Armenia two armies stationed at the border ready for an invasion of Royal Scythia.

King Prochoros marches back to Athens to lead the fleet on a journey into the setting sun. While the might of Heracles move towards the sea to join in the westward expansion. In 5 years time the invasion forces are set to sail.

158 B.C.E.: Out of all the emissaries sent forth only one returns with a negative reply. King Prochoros has marked that faction for future notice. War is declared on Royal Scythia, Baktria, and Cimmeria, due to alliances Massagate and Arachosia are now enemies of the Athenian state.

A large battle consisting of 5520 Athenian soldiers and 3280 Royal Scythia's finest horsemen takes place south of Mtskheta. It was an Athenian victory tempered only by the fact that both generals died while every single body guard lived. Athenian losses numbered 1041 men while Royal Scythia lost 2856 men. All body guards were executed after the battle for their incompetence. The 370 prisoners were interrogated and forced into slavery for the dead generals families.

The Battle of Mtskheta 158 B.C.E

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Generals Gennadius and Aristonymos combined forces to face down the Royal Scythian forces. Gennadius led the vanguard forces into a valley west of large hill while Aristonymos led the main fighting force to the top of the hill to force the Royal Scythians off. The plan was to trap the enemy forces on the side of the hill and close in from the top and bottom making their horses a hindrance rather than an advantage.
http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/...628B8F7E3D516/
http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/...772E94C075DE0/
http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/...8F3EE18703E56/
http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/...346DAAD7E22FC/
The leaders of the enemy armies were confused as to how they would beat dual pronged attack and so each took command of their own forces thinking their plan was better. What happened was a disorganized mob of elite forces and some town guardsmen. Aristonymos led his forces within arrow range of the extreme flanks of the north-south battle line of the R.S. forces. Peppering enemy cavalry and infantry with flaming arrows as he slowly moved his hoplites into position.

The east-west battle line of the R.S. forces were equally set upon by Gennadius' skirmishers but quick thinking by a mercenary captain stopped the skirmishers and even managed to route a unit before they suffered extreme losses.

The battle soon turned into a massive cluster as things went haywire on the hill. Aristonymos died fighting to break a flanking attack by R.S royal skirmishers on his spear men. While down in the valley Gennadius attacked the rear of an engaged unit and when the excitement of the battle caused his heart to fail. The leading captains then tried to organize as best they could and tried to complete the attack as planned. Only Athenian skill and cohesion kept the army from falling apart.
After the battle was ended the two captains were promoted to the rank of leader and they carried on the city attack with few losses.

With the addition of the new cities Athens is large enough to be considered an Empire and has gained Imperium status. Capable of fielding 12 armies and 9 navies.

Towns gained during the year of 158 B.C.E.: Phasis, Mtskheta, Rhaga, and Zadrakarta

157 B.C.E.: A relatively peaceful year compared to the previous one. The invasion of Baktria continues to push inland but the blitzing forces missed a sizable army of Baktrian soldiers and lost a previously conquered town. The force consisted of several elephant contingents as well as their normally fielded units.

Persia was invaded but due to their previously good relations wasnt annexed but had a puppet government installed instead. They are now a client state to Athens and are helping with the invasion of Baktria.

In the North the region of Caucasia was united with the capture of the lightly defended town of Gabala.

Towns gained during the year of 157 B.C.E.: Gabala, Persepolis, and Hecatompylos.

156 B.C.E.: Another year of relative peace. The grand fleet ordered almost 5 years ago is nearing completion and supplies are now being gathered to make a push to the west. In northern Greece a rebellious army left over from Pontic wars is now the target of a newly raised Home Defense army. In Africa an army is raised to help keep the peace. In the province of Phanagoria an army from Massagate marches on what seemed to be a lightly guarded city. They fell under an Athenian ambush and were cut down in whole sale.

155 B.C.E.: Another year where armies continue to march forth upon Athens enemies. The sunset invasion fleet has gathered and is ready to leave Athen with King Prochoros at its head. They are bound westward to see where the sun takes them. The town of Merv was taken from the Baktrians and already it is apparent they dont have the money to sustain their armies as men desert by the century.

Towns gained during 155 B.C.E: Merv

154 B.C.E.: Athenian armies marched farther into the borders of her enemies cutting entire empires in half or destroying some all together. King Prochoros and his mighty fleet round the heel of Italy and push on towards Syracuse. The Baktrians vie for peace but demand appropriations from Athens which was aggressively denied.

Towns gained during 154 B.C.E.: Samandar, Phanagoria

153 B.C.E.: The Kings fleet continues to sail westward. North of Pella on a mighty river Pontus rebels cower on boats in a makeshift floating city and an Athenian ship was dispatched to remove their presence from the world. In the East armies continue to march on Baktria taking city after city. The whole of its nation crumbling at its feet they asked for peace again. Athens offered to let them live if only they bend knee. They refused. The army stationed in Phanagoria set sail and has set siege to its sister city of Pantecaeum. Towers are being built and the assault is planned to commence as soon as they are finished.

Towns gained during 153 B.C.E.:

152 B.C.E.: A year of advances in technology and warfare. Athens Economic technologies expand as he armies march on major enemy cities. General Caporos takes the port city of Panticapaeum after a long and bloody conflict.

The Siege of Panticapaeum 152 B.C.E.

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General Caporos marches his men and their newly constructed towers and ladders march on the high walls of Panticapaeum.
http://cloud-3.steampowered.com/ugc/...567DB0264442A/
He ordered his light peltast into a skirmish line ahead of the main equipment to keep the slingers and archers on the walls heads down.
http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/...AA99A83EBBF8A/
The ladders and towers approach the walls under heavy fire. The soldiers in the towers hunkered down to make as small a target as possible. Unfortunately flaming javelins and arrows make quick work of one of the towers.
http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/...68089D69B3671/
The moment the towers and ladders hit the wall cimmerian cavalry made a break for it through the main gate to attack the men trying to climb the walls. They didn't foresee a group of light hoplites braving the oil under the gatehouse and ran straight into onwaiting spears.
http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/...AEDEA818BC196/
After a long fought and hard battle the walls are taken. Athenian soldiers take up jeering and taunting the Cimmerian soldiers fleeing the towers and gate.
http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/...FA97F6E75EA89/
http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/...D85FD32884CD4/
The gates belong to Athens and reserve troops begin to move through.
http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/...251D6A9E8E6CC/
On the far right flank Athenian soldiers stand steady against a numerically superior Cimmerian soldiers. They fight hard and slay many enemy soldiers. Their morale begins to waver though and reinforcements are sent in a hurry to steady their lines.
http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/...3AAC39A09ED4F/
http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/...FFB76D31EEFAD/
With the flanks held the battle turns into a mop up and Athenian soldiers gather their wounded. A final view before the battle is officially called to end shows the soldiers that held the right watch Athenian formations in the street.
http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/...DE085D4267A8F/

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A large battle consisting of 5520 Athenian soldiers and 3280 Royal Scythia's finest horsemen takes place south of Mtskheta. It was an Athenian victory tempered only by the fact that both generals died while every single body guard lived.

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I just love it when this happens :laugh4:.

Yeah, there's been threads popping up pretty much daily making fun of CA for this debacle at the main forum.

You have to hand it to them, they were consistent in their game design in this regard, not only do they kill off your generals in battle with regularity, when not successful there they make them die of old age half a dozen times per campaign as well (if you're lucky). Can't think of a way I would have designed it any better if my goal was to suck every last bit of RPG element out of the game. No, hang on, I can, and they did this too, create a entire page of traits you can pick from till you become so bored by the mechanic itself you just click on them randomly. :wall:

Keep it up Veho Nex, you're doing us proud!!!

Any news from the front lines?

sorry for taking so long, I'll have this done by tonight. I had to go outta in a hurry on friday morning and I dont have access to my desktop. Ill be home tonight and ill crank it out. For some news as to where I left off my flotilla is off the coast of Spain with a target either of Britannia or Denmark.

It doesnt seem like Ill be able to participate in this anymore. Things are cracking down at school and I cant devote as much time to this as would be required. Perhaps if in two or so weeks if this is still going on I will rejoin.

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sorry for taking so long, I'll have this done by tonight. I had to go outta in a hurry on friday morning and I dont have access to my desktop. Ill be home tonight and ill crank it out. For some news as to where I left off my flotilla is off the coast of Spain with a target either of Britannia or Denmark.

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No rush at all, wasn't meaning it that way, was just wondering how it was going is all. And I like the sound of where you've headed, north!

New post to get attention. If you havent read it I have added more to the post above/\

Here is the save for whomever is next: http://www.filedropper.com/athens149bc

Onto the AAR:

Nice screenie series on the siege of Panticipaeum! :2thumbsup:

Is it mine or @Sp4 turn to play the succesion game?

Erm 159 to 152 mans only 7 turns. Do we have more or did your FL die then? You can play up until 15 turns total with the next guy @Veho Nex

I'm at work so I can't check when the save is at currently.

its at 149bc so is 10 turns and i just wanted to play the years of my guy. Im good with a short turn

@Amras go ahead and play your turn.

Due to no response from either @Amras or @Sp4 I think @MorrowWolf should take this turn to keep the game moving.

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Due to no response from either @Amras or @Sp4 I think @MorrowWolf should take this turn to keep the game moving.

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Sorry for the missing response
I am ongoing with the game and have now played 8 turn since 13th Nov but i have also busy with my RL

Ah, good man! Any news?

@Amras please have the save ready by tomorrow or we are skipping your turn regardless.

Also @Sp4 please confirm you are still in this game or I will remove you from the list as you fail to post here or respond to my PM.

The other players did a great job so far and It is unfair to them to let this get bogged down for such an extended period of time.

I came back like 3 weeks ago and told you. I considered myself eh... taken out? Already.

If you get other missing players, I can pitch in. I have not touched Athens yet in the game. Could give it a shot for the length of a ruler, LOL. However, if this campaign was started before patch 7, wouldn't the campaign be buggy now?

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I came back like 3 weeks ago and told you. I considered myself eh... taken out? Already.

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Sorry I must have missed this. Apologies.
@Slaists welcome aboard! Hm... Not sure if it will be buggy. Why don't you give the save a try and see how it performs for you. However I believe the game goes now to @MorrowWolf who is next in line, and you can succeed him after.

I don't know if I'm missing something or what but the file dropper link is not working for me.

@Veho Nex can you upload the save again please? It seems it has expired.

Uh, Im with family for Thanksgiving I can try and get home to upload it tonight. If I can't I wont be home till Monday.

Alright. And I'll re-up it here on the .org so we have it permanently.

Veho,

What's the news from the front?

Gosh darnit, sorry guys. I got side tracked and forgot about re-uploading.

I feel horrible for being the person this stalled at.

Here is the save link again:

http://www.filedropper.com/athens149bc

@MorrowWolf do give it a try now, please.

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Gosh darnit, sorry guys. I got side tracked and forgot about re-uploading.

I feel horrible for being the person this stalled at.

Here is the save link again:

http://www.filedropper.com/athens149bc

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No worries, just occurred to me on Sunday I'd like to check in again and see how the Greek empire is doing, so how big has it gotten?

I added about 12 town/cities to it over my ten year reign. If whoever was next wanted to continue it there's about 6,000 men on their way to conquer Brittania and England.

Ah, excellent work, nice to hear we're heading up to cooler climates! I did the same thing when I just kept playing from where I handed off.

To keep the game moving let's pass it on to @Slaists and wolf can come up after him. The floor is yours bud!

@Myth, so, I just grab the last one from the top of this thread? Term-6 is it?

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@Myth, so, I just grab the last one from the top of this thread? Term-6 is it?

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@Slaists get it from Veho's link:

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Gosh darnit, sorry guys. I got side tracked and forgot about re-uploading.

I feel horrible for being the person this stalled at.

Here is the save link again:

http://www.filedropper.com/athens149bc

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Ok, will do later tonight.

Ok, got the file alright. Will report on progress over the weekend.

p.s. something is out whack though (I suspect because the game was started before the latest patches). The faction overview shows that I am on the last imperium bar, yet army count shows 12/8 (as in, my max is supposed to be 8)

Yes, the patches have done that.