Multicultural versus monocultural societies and countries

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Originally Posted by Papewaio

My mum is Welsh, my dad is a Kiwi of English & Swedish extraction. I was born in Fiji and raised in New Zealand which is essentially a Pakeha and Maori bicultural country. Like one in four Australians I was born overseas and my wife is from Taiwan. We are not unusual as either individuals or as a couple.

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I am sure truly multicultural families can have some serious trouble if the cultures don't mix well, but at least those troubles, should there be any, are likely to stay within the family - so not anyone else's business.

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So yes the dark past of slavery, starvation (buffalo decimation) and germ warfare are certainly evil. But that's what you get in a monocultural driven society.

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It's what you get in countries that do not respect individual integrity. If a state respects its inhabitants, it also has (up to a certain point) to respect their culture.

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Originally Posted by ICantSpellDawg

Give me guns and I'll take a much higher crime rate for delicious food and interesting.

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Just because you import cultural elements into your own culture doesn't mean you live in a multicultural society. Jeez.

'monoculture' might be a bad word choice, since so many seem to associate it with cultural conservatism, but that's the only term I can think of as an antonym to 'multiculture'.

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Originally Posted by Sir Moody

Bovine excrement - our Police have no such problem and are very rarely "heavily armed" I have no idea where you even picked this up from - even the Daily Mail would never try to claim this...

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Frag would probably think the Thames Walk was a journey through wartorn territory, starting from the east end of the most multicultural city in the world, and continuing unbroken through the centre, and through to the west. When I did it, armed only with a backpack carrying food and water, the only discomfort I encountered was weary feet. Sometimes I wonder if the London Frag and others describe is related to the London I've known all my life.

Big lol at that. Have an awesome time celebrating multiculturalism in Brussels or Marseillei, and yes Londen, you know the one you know. Where islam has settled itself things change, really fast. That is also especially true for the Vikings.

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Originally Posted by Viking

Just because you import cultural elements into your own culture doesn't mean you live in a multicultural society. Jeez.

'monoculture' might be a bad word choice, since so many seem to associate it with cultural conservatism, but that's the only term I can think of as an antonym to 'multiculture'.

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I live in a suburb of NYC. I went to Stonybrook. Where did you go? Valhalla? What do you know about multikulti?

White	44.0%
—Non-Hispanic	33.3%
Black or African American	25.5%
Hispanic or Latino (of any race)	28.6%
Asian	12.7%

What do you think the demographics of Oslo look like? A friggin white power parade. Go lick a bowl

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Originally Posted by ICantSpellDawg

I live in a suburb of NYC. I went to Stonybrook. Where did you go? Valhalla? What do you know about multikulti?

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Did you live the Central African Republic? Did you live in Iraq? Did you live in Yugoslavia? What do you know about multiculturalism?

NYC (and the U.S. in general) does have some serious murder rates to answer for:

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This year, New York City is on pace to see 335 murders if the trend for the first 10 months (279 murders) continues.

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London, a city of 8.3 million people (the same size as New York City), 113 people were murdered that year. Even so, the Brits viewed it as a serious crisis. And last year a total of 99 people were murdered in London, the lowest figure since 1970.

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Whatever the causes are. London also seems to be fairly multicultural; but that doesn't mean the histories and the dynamics are the same in the two cities, a more in-depth comparison would be necessary in order to make an argument in that department.

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White	44.0%
—Non-Hispanic	33.3%
Black or African American	25.5%
Hispanic or Latino (of any race)	28.6%
Asian	12.7%

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That table doesn't say anything about culture, only ethnicity.

I'm just kidding, I just wanted to be a jerk. But NYC is absolutely multicultural. Have you ever been?

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Originally Posted by ICantSpellDawg

Have you ever been?

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Have I ever been running naked through the Sahara? No.


Been what exactly?

TO NYC, KNUCKLEFART

Nope.

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Originally Posted by ICantSpellDawg

I'm just kidding, I just wanted to be a jerk. But NYC is absolutely multicultural. Have you ever been?

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That's different, can't be compared, the USA is multicultural by nature. It's not an ideoligy but a general concensus. In Europe multiculturalism is pretty much a religion, it's forced upon us. I wouldn't call NYC multicultural but multi-ethnic instead, there is consensus over being an American. It isn't all that straightforward though, watched the match against Spain at the local coffeeshop where just about everybody is Maroccan or Polish and they cheer for the Dutch team just as much as we do. Europe is complicated.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Multiculturalism doesnt work, that's why the USA is such a backwater

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isn't america working the melting pot model?

again, i ask if we are discussing multiculturalism in the descriptive or the normative sense...

Tell you what, I wouldn't mind state-imposed monoculture if the culture we use is humanist secularism a la France. Logical argument behind it, coherent and consistent application without favouring any other culture, and it disarms most of the more harmful aspects of religion. However, if anyone tries to argue monoculture on the basis of Christianity, I'll cry BS. The basic philosophical aspects of Christianity can work as well in a secular system as any other culture, and its pseudo-philosophical origins should mean it should function better in such a system. However, the religious aspects can go jump in the sea, like all the other religions.

You might want to read the fine print on Christianity. Apparently they can't jump in the sea only walk on it...

Gets horredously frustrating at bath time, I can tell you.

It's worse when trying to tell the police officer you only had hick three hick cups of wine er water.