Is Political Arrogance dragging Europe to the Right?

Can someone define what 'the right' is supposed to be for me please. Seems to be everyone who thinks the EU never was such a good idea and speaks out against the circle-reasoning of hurricane that all we need is more EU to solve what the EU screwed up. Nobody can say why but we need more EU. They can't even remember that Europe is a continent. More Europe wut? Can't have more continent only more EU, so stop saying Europe.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Can someone define what 'the right' is supposed to be for me please. Seems to be everyone who thinks the EU never was such a good idea and speaks out against the circle-reasoning of hurricane that all we need is more EU to solve what the EU screwed up. Nobody can say why but we need more EU. They can't even remember that Europe is a continent. More Europe wut? Can't have more continent only more EU, so stop saying Europe.

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I'd say it is a mix of social conservatism, financial laissez-faire, xenophobia or racist hatred and a few other things such as being very religious.
Or maybe it's just all the people who do not understand what you call "leftist logic". It's funny that you keep ranting about leftists and then ask what the right is, does that mean you don't even know what the leftists are whom you're ranting about?
Can you clearly define what the left is?
Seems to be everyone who is mean to black people, then complains that they're angry and then goes on blaming all his self-created circle-reasoning problems on the EU or the immigrants or whatever. And then supports a pathological liar like Trump or a crazy ferret like Farage (who supported Trump...) while claiming that other politicians can't be trusted. :rolleyes:

Meanwhile, the planet is going to the gutter because of rightist policies and rightist religionists believe in eradicating all their enemies.

Rightists also think that this is okay because the invisible hand of the market caused it but have very strict lawnmowing policies in their neighborhood associations.

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In conclusion, rightists are the ones most likely to destroy humanity, be it through nuclear war due to rightist nationalism and greed for glory or through rightist industrialism that releases thousands of tons of poison into an environemnt that we depend on or outright destroys it every day like the rainforests.

Meanwhile the rightists discuss whether the industrialists who do that deserve more tax cuts...

I see it as diffrence berween freethinkers and conservatists really.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

I see it as diffrence berween freethinkers and conservatists really.

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IMO, quite a lot of "freethinkers", both on the left and the right, are just conspiracy theorists or parroting someone who tells them they're freethinkers if they believe everything he says. Being a freethinker does not mean you have to discard all consensus. The need to think that "the establishment" or "the mainstream" is almost always wrong already makes your mind unfree again, does it not?

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Originally Posted by Husar

IMO, quite a lot of "freethinkers", both on the left and the right, are just conspiracy theorists or parroting someone who tells them they're freethinkers if they believe everything he says. Being a freethinker does not mean you have to discard all consensus. The need to think that "the establishment" or "the mainstream" is almost always wrong already makes your mind unfree again, does it not?

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You could put it that way I guess. But what you call censensus doesn't take no for an answer, But it's not really consensus to begin with. The EU does as it pleases

The EU is a very expensive incredibly intrusive burden ruled by politicians who failed at home. The EU pays very very well, every opportunist can' wait to go there. It will end badly.