17er Saints and Martyrs

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Originally Posted by Zack

the complete lack of engagement with my solid, earthy, unagenda'd wallpost in which I expertly asserted my beefy superiority on the game thread indicates we are living in 2 possible worlds:

1) the only people who've seen it are villagers and they truly don't give a shit, shut up zack, we're shiptoasting. okay fair enough. :tomato: :bow:

2) logic is a wolf and wolves are shook and want no part of touching my post and so have elected to ignore it, ipso facto no one is reacting whatsoever to the spurious reads and questionable takes contained elsewhere in the post, even though day 1 of a mafia game is explicitly ripe ground for 10 "well actually..."ers to nitpick the hell out of my carless thin reads ~:wave:

benneh likely a v for specifically drawing attention to it in the way he did in that world fwiw :7detective:

3) some mixture of the two. (in polite society you always list 3 things after indicating there are only 2 options :pirate2:)



in other news, wisdom making a nothing entrance post then an unexplained ladd wolfread and dipping is noted in italics (i'm not sure why it should be noted, or what to make of it, but it definitely feels like something that should be noted. i have my best people on this.)

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You are correct on me and I had the same very slight feeling about ender.

I personally read Arctic as over-the-top wolfy. It felt more like bait than an actual wolf. Which is why I was not too fond of Murskas vote.
Not only that it is the combo of entering the thread, voting the person who is "howling", and dipping out.
While others are more ... playful?


I have no real opinion on logic. mostly because I forgot it happened and only just returned to an upright position.
After a quick reread I will admit that they are awkward.

As decidedly not one of your best people I am not on the wisdom case. Might ask for cliffs 24 hours from now.

ok we get it zack, you randed villager, now stfu so the people that actually know how to play mafia can shitpost in peace

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fr though i did read your post, just couldn’t be assed to type out my thoughts that i’ve since already decided are probably all meaningless and dumb :clown: maybe i’ll try to get things moving when i get home if the game is still so slow but no promises

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i’d do it now but i’m a wolf with logic and absolutely shat myself when i saw your post and still haven’t recovered

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Originally Posted by Jan

I personally read Arctic as over-the-top wolfy. It felt more like bait than an actual wolf. Which is why I was not too fond of Murskas vote.
Not only that it is the combo of entering the thread, voting the person who is "howling", and dipping out.
While others are more ... playful?

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these were some of the thoughts i had earlier (both the arctic thing and murska thing) so congrats, you get a cookie :tongue:

not sure why zack said murska was villagery for that post

Uh huh. Are we getting into gameplay now?

I don't believe in 'I was just pretending to be a wolf as bait'. And then what, wolves will vote for you because you're acting suspicious? But also townies will vote for you because you're acting suspicious?

sup

cat!

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Originally Posted by Murska

Uh huh. Are we getting into gameplay now?

I don't believe in 'I was just pretending to be a wolf as bait'. And then what, wolves will vote for you because you're acting suspicious? But also townies will vote for you because you're acting suspicious?

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i don’t think arctic was intentionally trying to bait people (doubt that’s what jan meant either)

more so that arctic kept making posts one after another that he recognized were all terrible whereas if he was a wolf he might take more care to not come off that way

maybe a dumb read though, ymmv :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Hally

these were some of the thoughts i had earlier (both the arctic thing and murska thing) so congrats, you get a cookie :tongue:

not sure why zack said murska was villagery for that post

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because entering with an immediate vote, refusing to elaborate (while also clearly not a throwaway RVS vote), and leaving is probably more likely to be from a villager imo

the target of his vote didnt factor, it just gave me slight vibes of "he probably legitimately believes this is a good vote"

i can see #84 as either "villager stubbornly insisting someone being weird is wolfy even though it probably doesn't mean anything" or a wolf doing the same thing, they often look similar and murska is an old-school guy from GITP and frankly it wouldn't surprise me at all if he made that post as either alignment.

murska and arctic seems like an unlikely w/w pairing, though. hot take alert.

Sure, I'm not saying Arctic is 100% wolf and absolutely needs to die. But how're we better to figure that out without putting in votes and actually threatening people with death so they'll say something under pressure that we can judge? I'm disappointed we have so many people who've entered the thread, several hours of game time and no proper bandwagons on anyone, or even 'random' votes.

I may be getting old, but I've got other hobbies and games I'm spending my time on, I don't really care to post here if I don't have anything to say.

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Originally Posted by Jan

Talking about Saints and Sinners Martyrs ..

What is everyone's favourite Nicolas Cage movie and why?

Doesn't need to be the best. Best is a kind of boring answer when talking about such a wonderful actor.

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con air

it's lots of fun

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

Playerlist ranked by dog name potential


Elite Dog names
GeneralHankerchief
Wisdom
ladd


Decent dog names
Raskolnikov
EnderWiggin
Visor


Potentially good depending on the dog/breed
Logic
Arctic
dyachei


Human-y but still decent for some pups
Hally
Gemma


Human-y and not good for pups
Jan
Zack


Just downright bad
nebjiamn
murska
vanta black
Syn

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i would be a great dog name wtf

i was bamboozled and forced to read copypasta walls on the 3rd page instead of 4th

not that i actually read them but it's the principle

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Originally Posted by Syn

i was bamboozled and forced to read copypasta walls on the 3rd page instead of 4th

not that i actually read them but it's the principle

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instead of 1st

anyway

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Originally Posted by Murska

Sure, I'm not saying Arctic is 100% wolf and absolutely needs to die. But how're we better to figure that out without putting in votes and actually threatening people with death so they'll say something under pressure that we can judge? I'm disappointed we have so many people who've entered the thread, several hours of game time and no proper bandwagons on anyone, or even 'random' votes.

I may be getting old, but I've got other hobbies and games I'm spending my time on, I don't really care to post here if I don't have anything to say.

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Fair.

I simply started thinking arctic read wolfy at first then turned my read around and read it as an easy excuse to vote for lazy wolves - and you voted for him.

And then you react the moment somebody (me) offers you some shade (while not posting at all otherwise).

Just 2x perfect timing. Perfectly bad but still perfect.

Sounds like overanalyzing to me. He hasn't done anything to make that read worth flipping. I guess that makes you less likely w/w.

So where's your vote?

looks like somebody at the Super Bowl party I went to last night was sick and early indicators are that I caught whatever it is he's got, so if my post quality somehow gets even worse than it's been to this point it's because I'm loading myself up with drugs in an effort to head this off at the pass :knight:

As opposed to all the other reasons you generally load yourself up with drugs when gearing up to play werewolf?

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Originally Posted by Murska

Sounds like overanalyzing to me. He hasn't done anything to make that read worth flipping. I guess that makes you less likely w/w.

So where's your vote?

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Nowhere. I got lazy with age and realized that any wolf that is not terrible is not afraid of rvs pressure.
Ask the other kids if you want to see votes. I am capable of using my words to make my voice heard for now.

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Originally Posted by Murska

As opposed to all the other reasons you generally load yourself up with drugs when gearing up to play werewolf?

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yes, obviously

this time the drugs are different!

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Originally Posted by Zack

benneh, you may sit on this council, and further we grant you the rank of master.

lock v never rescinding glgl im gonna dvc warrior so hard when benneh is actually a wolf and blame everyone for not killing him even though i locked him v and never reconsidered :chucks:

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Good thing I don't need your approval for the rank of master, the gubberment already gave it to me!

I soulread Visor villa out of his sole post (fr)

Think folks like Arctic, Murska, and Logic had a meh opening for different reasons I won't be bother to type (also some of you have stressed potential pings). Murska being overly defensive and serious at this point of the game.

Benneh and Hally also meh but I guess it's not a D1 issue (unless :curtain:). Hally feels a bit too much willing to blend in or pocket I dunno. will see I feel about this one l8r.

Zack is awesome :curtain:

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

I soulread Visor villa out of his sole post (fr)

Think folks like Arctic, Murska, and Logic had a meh opening for different reasons I won't be bother to type (also some of you have stressed potential pings). Murska being overly defensive and serious at this point of the game.

Benneh and Hally also meh but I guess it's not a D1 issue (unless :curtain:). Hally feels a bit too much willing to blend in or pocket I dunno. will see I feel about this one l8r.

Zack is awesome :curtain:

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where have i tried to pocket anyone? not sure where you get that from

blendy i agree with though :tongue:

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Originally Posted by Hally

where have i tried to pocket anyone? not sure where you get that from

blendy i agree with though :tongue:

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you got off on slightly the wrong foot and now you will never be in the towncore no matter what you do

have fun in f3 buddy

you guys are really funny i'm giggling

re: zack - yeah im european

i wasn't trying to bait people with my opener i'm just cringe, but i agree that the sus on me felt kinda bad because i was being avoidably wolfy and even acknowledged that it was coming across like that so voting me feels level 0. i'm prob not gonna pursue it because there was really nothing to go off at that point so i get reaching to make an RVS vote

but i will say that i feel like the way zack handled my posts is how i'd expect a villager to do - he recognized they weren't good but he noted that he had 0% belief in sussing me for those posts and doesn't really care to push me but wolves will pretend they don't see it

i haven't really liked anything else rask has posted either since voting me - they've kept up a consistent presence but feel very "hello fellow kids-ey". as for murska, i actually got the sense they believed in their vote of me from their later justification but then i read 94 from jan and um i changed my mind because that makes a lot more sense lmao

also zack, i've seen your read on logic and uhh i guess i could see it? but i don't know if i'd say i agree - sorry this isn't helpful but you wanted people to talk with you about it lol

the only people i really sus is basically cuz of omgus, wow i'm good at mafia

can I be in f3 too

(please don't make me be in f3)

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Originally Posted by Arctic

re: zack - yeah im european

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this is outing tbh

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Originally Posted by Zack

you got off on slightly the wrong foot and now you will never be in the towncore no matter what you do

have fun in f3 buddy

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https://c.tenor.com/LhvxU-iQhD8AAAAC/tenor.gif

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Originally Posted by Logic

Good thing I don't need your approval for the rank of master, the gubberment already gave it to me!

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~:confused:

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

I soulread Visor villa out of his sole post (fr)

Think folks like Arctic, Murska, and Logic had a meh opening for different reasons I won't be bother to type (also some of you have stressed potential pings). Murska being overly defensive and serious at this point of the game.

Benneh and Hally also meh but I guess it's not a D1 issue (unless :curtain:). Hally feels a bit too much willing to blend in or pocket I dunno. will see I feel about this one l8r.

Zack is awesome :curtain:

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sorry, zack already villa read me. i am off the table for days 1 through 6. you can reconsider then though

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

sorry, zack already villa read me. i am off the table for days 1 through 6. you can reconsider then though

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https://i.imgur.com/QcN7vyk.gif

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Originally Posted by Syn

i would be a great dog name wtf

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i'm just concerned about how tough it would be to teach a dog about a 3-way handshake

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Originally Posted by Zack

https://i.imgur.com/QcN7vyk.gif

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errr... uhhh.. GULPS

Vote: Logic

:confused: does this work???? :confused:

also i think zack is town in case that wasn't clear already- the way he's talking about his reads and qualifying them with different levels of belief seems genuine and some other stuff i don't think wolves do like saying wisdom's behaviour needs to be noted without actually attributing a read to it. oh and also making reads about how nobody reacted to his logic case - gives me the sense he really believes in that read and kinda borders on confbias but idk not really

i think jan's observations on me are correct and are also how i'd expect an experienced villa to react to my posts at sod - i dunno if i'd say they're town yet but i'm nodding along to their thoughts on me/murska

hally too but she kinda stole these thoughts from jan so L

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

i'm just concerned about how tough it would be to teach a dog about a 3-way handshake

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i am so proud of this joke btw

I really hope I'll be dead by D7 bronana lol.

really tempted to make another "hello fellow kids -ey" post at this point though :D (nah, but Arctic I will explain l8r if I feel like it. just don't see the game through the omgus glance only)

if syn's ever been in f3 and received the hammer and didn't syn/syn ack/ack then ill be very disappointed


(real content: dya supping and dipping is of note. pass for busy-ness irl ofc but just noting for future)

logic’s entrance was whatever to me but showing up, making one meme post and not commenting on both zack and visor voting him is prob the wolfiest thing itt so far (and he saw zack’s vote at least because it was after the post he quoted)

vote: logic

en garde :duel:

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

I really hope I'll be dead by D7 bronana lol.

really tempted to make another "hello fellow kids -ey" post at this point though :D (nah, but Arctic I will explain l8r if I feel like it. just don't see the game through the omgus glance only)

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i think i would be sussing you even without that
could you explain where hally was pockety? she just seems to be meming as much as everyone else so i'm not sure why you have given specifically her this label

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Originally Posted by Hally

logic’s entrance was whatever to me but showing up, making one meme post and not commenting on both zack and visor voting him is prob the wolfiest thing itt so far (and he saw zack’s vote at least because it was after the post he quoted)

vote: logic

en garde :duel:

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good job hally we distanced well here, i doubt they will link us with logic until f7 at the earliest

any PR reads yet?

(real content: Benneh shading dya and leaking is of note. pass for hilarious -ness itt ofc but just noting for future)

vote: Visor

underwhelming

lacking

doesnt have the fire

wolfy fatigue

smells bad

enjoys cricket

:hmg:

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

(real content: Benneh shading dya and leaking is of note. pass for hilarious -ness itt ofc but just noting for future)

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i don't think thats noteworthy!

DELETE THE NOTES NOW

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Originally Posted by Arctic

i think i would be sussing you even without that
could you explain where hally was pockety? she just seems to be meming as much as everyone else so i'm not sure why you have given specifically her this label

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posts 35, 45, 56, 58, 61, 70 and finally 75. Basically all the opening. I can't recall Hally being so blendy (prolly more accurate than pockety tbh) but maybe that's me. Felt like mentionning it.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

posts 35, 45, 56, 58, 61, 70 and finally 75. Basically all the opening. I can't recall Hally being so blendy (prolly more accurate than pockety tbh) but maybe that's me. Felt like mentionning it.

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hally seems exactly like hally to me lol

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#117 is maybe a bit wolfy if logic is town :curtain:

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Originally Posted by Zack

vote: Visor

underwhelming

lacking

doesnt have the fire

wolfy fatigue

smells bad

enjoys cricket

:hmg:

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But that describes me? ~:confused:

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Originally Posted by Zack

hally seems exactly like hally to me lol

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#117 is maybe a bit wolfy if logic is town :curtain:

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Logic is being sussed for being Logic so wouldn't surprise me rn.

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maybe it's even wolfier if logic isn't town

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:curtain:

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

posts 35, 45, 56, 58, 61, 70 and finally 75. Basically all the opening. I can't recall Hally being so blendy (prolly more accurate than pockety tbh) but maybe that's me. Felt like mentionning it.

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to me only really 56 seems pockety? i agree blendy is a better description. but it's kinda weird you said pockety when only 56 could be construed as pockety/trying to appeal

the rest of the posts here are surely the opposite? like the premise of 35 was calling a bunch of people mafia with the AI post lmao, and most of the other examples seem to be stepping on toes (admittedly in a memey way) but certainly not trying to appeal to anyone

Vote: Jan

For ??? reasons.

I'll maybe think about elaborating a bit later but I have a thought.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Logic is being sussed for being Logic so wouldn't surprise me rn.

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i'm sorry sir but this post is terrible, regardless of logic's actual alignment. i actually grimaced irl reading it.

Vote: EnderWiggin

(real)

Hottest take rn is that Rask is town.

Which is not the hottest take but I believe it tbh

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Originally Posted by Zack

i'm sorry sir but this post is terrible, regardless of logic's actual alignment. i actually grimaced irl reading it.

Vote: EnderWiggin

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This is a terrible vote. I grimmaced irl reading it.

(Real)

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Originally Posted by Arctic

to me only really 56 seems pockety?

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i'm pretty sure i've made either that exact post (with that gif) or something VERY similar in a past game or two with hally fwiw, it was more of a joke than "pockety"

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

This is a terrible vote. I grimmaced irl reading it.

(Real)

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laddavi.gif

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Originally Posted by Zack

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maybe it's even wolfier if logic isn't town

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:curtain:

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Yeah Hally was about to give up because of my decisive push then remembered she could throw Logic under the bus :2thumbsup:

Benneh is my other sus mostly because they seem to keep posting to remind people that they're there but they choose to only react to silly things in a way that feels avoidant.

Which is a dumb read yeah but I like it.

I'll go check his ISO after I post this to see if this feeling is actually justified.

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Originally Posted by Zack

i'm sorry sir but this post is terrible, regardless of logic's actual alignment. i actually grimaced irl reading it.

Vote: EnderWiggin

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i unironically had this same reaction and am legitimately upset you beat me to posting this

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

good job hally we distanced well here, i doubt they will link us with logic until f7 at the earliest

any PR reads yet?

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you’re not making it to f7 unless you stop posting ai art of kirby endorsing joe biden at the superbowl in wolf chat and start getting your booty in gear


this one is pretty good though

https://i.imgur.com/WQtABLv_d.webp?m...fidelity=grand

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Originally Posted by Zack

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maybe it's even wolfier if logic isn't town

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:curtain:

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asari high command etc

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Benneh is my other sus mostly because they seem to keep posting to remind people that they're there but they choose to only react to silly things in a way that feels avoidant.

Which is a dumb read yeah but I like it.

I'll go check his ISO after I post this to see if this feeling is actually justified.

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lol

Also legitimately I townread Zack because of Asari High Command.

I refuse to elaborate further.

(Ty based Syn for reminding me.)

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Originally Posted by Zack

i'm pretty sure i've made either that exact post (with that gif) or something VERY similar in a past game or two with hally fwiw, it was more of a joke than "pockety"

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well yeah i mean the point i'm making is that pretty much none of the posts actually seem pockety so the read doesn't seem very real to me

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

posts 35, 45, 56, 58, 61, 70 and finally 75. Basically all the opening. I can't recall Hally being so blendy (prolly more accurate than pockety tbh) but maybe that's me. Felt like mentionning it.

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you better get used to it because i’m retired and had zero desire to actually play when i signed up for this game, i’m just here because the player list was too good to pass up :curtain:

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

i unironically had this same reaction and am legitimately upset you beat me to posting this

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:turtle:

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Originally Posted by Hally

you better get used to it because i’m retired and had zero desire to actually play when i signed up for this game, i’m just here because the player list was too good to pass up :curtain:

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keyword was

its a real shame you had to go and ruin that

The feeling was mostly justified tbh.

But apparently Zack has declared him clear so off the table for days 1 to 6. :curtain:

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Originally Posted by Hally

you better get used to it because i’m retired and had zero desire to actually play when i signed up for this game, i’m just here because the player list was too good to pass up :curtain:

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please keep up the good work :bow:

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Yeah Hally was about to give up because of my decisive push then remembered she could throw Logic under the bus :2thumbsup:

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i feel like if there's anyone bussing logic it's you
where have you decisively pushed him lol? the first time you mentioned him was agreeing with zack's sus on him and then you said he had a "meh" opening

vote: Raskolnikov

i dunno man this is like strike 3 for weirdness

Syn, why r u wolfing without me?

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Originally Posted by Arctic

i feel like if there's anyone bussing logic it's you
where have you decisively pushed him lol? the first time you mentioned him was agreeing with zack's sus on him and then you said he had a "meh" opening

vote: Raskolnikov

i dunno man this is like strike 3 for weirdness

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rask is probably v

he's just french, that should explain the weirdness

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Syn, why r u wolfing without me?

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We decided it'd be cooler without you.

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

rask is probably v

he's just french, that should explain the weirdness

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(but real, you are reading too much seriousness into rasks posts in my estimation. game is still very much in the shitpost phase and for rask that is all they really know)

Also Arctic is making me side eye but I also dunno what to do with half of the dithering.

I want to say town!Arctic is less hyperfixated but also I dunno if I even believe that claim so I'll avoid it.

(Oh look. Wild shading.)

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

(but real, you are reading too much seriousness into rasks posts in my estimation. game is still very much in the shitpost phase and for rask that is all they really know)

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WAit.

There's a non-shitpost phase?

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

i unironically had this same reaction and am legitimately upset you beat me to posting this

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I like this, felt genuine

also approve of the votes and the bit of elbowing to make people uncomfortable by rask and zack

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Originally Posted by Arctic

i feel like if there's anyone bussing logic it's you
where have you decisively pushed him lol? the first time you mentioned him was agreeing with zack's sus on him and then you said he had a "meh" opening

vote: Raskolnikov

i dunno man this is like strike 3 for weirdness

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hum technically to bus him would need me to 1) be a wolf, 2) vote him. Which I am not :p

What's up? Logic's opening has been shitty, I said it like others, but I don't feel like making this D1 a "pile on Logic" day, because it's worthless contentwise. Both for him to contribute if he is actually villa, and to get other reads.

i mean i dunno, i feel like i could say the same about logic (which is ironically what you all jumped on ender for even though i kinda agree with his assessment)

but even if i was misinterpreting that last post i don't think being french explains the sus on hally or how it feels like they're fos'ing like the entire game

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

hum technically to bus him would need me to 1) be a wolf, 2) vote him. Which I am not :p

What's up? Logic's opening has been shitty, I said it like others, but I don't feel like making this D1 a "pile on Logic" day, because it's worthless contentwise. Both for him to contribute if he is actually villa, and to get other reads.

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Also, we gotta break the "Logic gets dogpiled d1" trend on the org recently.

Idrc if he's wolf at this stage.

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Originally Posted by Arctic

i feel like if there's anyone bussing logic it's you
where have you decisively pushed him lol? the first time you mentioned him was agreeing with zack's sus on him and then you said he had a "meh" opening

vote: Raskolnikov

i dunno man this is like strike 3 for weirdness

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(fwiw i’m pretty sure he was talking about his push on me, not logic)


i don’t really have an issue with rask pushing benneh and me. not like we’re easy targets for a wolf to push D1 and it’s probably true that our posts suck compared to what he remembers. i know mine do lol

I can confirm Hally's posts do suck but we're in wolfchat together so I'm contractually obliged to not point it out.