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I understand your system. But remember...Brazil won 5 World Cups but the team of 1930 isn't the same of 2002...but they still retain that title. Clans are like teams...they change...but they're still bound to continue the tradition...eg. Brazil...winning. You understand what I mean? It's called a 'legacy'...when we're speaking of 'oldest' we're speaking of 'history' which means 'past' that can't be altered by the 'present'
Of the 'old' Kenchi me, darth, satake still survive I think (Momo?) Rage (active bunch) got Monsta, Storm (more?), Wolves got Magyar, Koc (more?), Fear dunno...who else?
But hey you can't pretend that the 29th clan to be formed out of thousands would be still the same ... hehe. At least we retain some old members.
We're ignoring a clan though...TAKIYAMA...older than Rage/Wolves/Shades/Doragon, they probably got the largest proportion of original members and never faded away...
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evil is within us... http://www.totalwar.org/site/emomalta.gif
[This message has been edited by Terazawa Tokugawa (edited 08-25-2002).]
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qualify....Shades also not sure (5 members etc).
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Last time I checked the roster we had 10 guys in Shades....we will be back for MTW and looking forward to renewing old friendships....and hatreds... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Wraith
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First off m8 it isnt my system...it was put forward as an idea to consider if 'oldest' meant first formed or longest serving.
Your point about Brazil is confusing...maybe we should look at it this way..
Buck Rogers oldest man in the future on planet earth...but he was frozen for thousands of years....does this count because he is only really in his 30's...and has only lived that long...therefore a clan that is 'sleeping' and then returns are they older or are they just a re-invention of the original?
Kenchi may well be the earliest who exist today to have 'signed on the dotted line' but is it not true that the real struggle of being in a clan comes with staying in one piece and not wandering off into other clans or having prolonged breaks?
How else can we see this....
A man starts a marathon..he runs 10 miles..then hops in a taxi....he jumps out at the 25 mile mark...he start at 0 miles and runs through to finish at 26 miles....he has completed the marathon but he only ran 10 miles!
I agree that Kenchi are the oldest as in signing up.....I would say Fear could be the longest to serve as a clan without a break...but
your point is right...
Takiyama may have been together the longest (as a unit.although they had a name change due to azzamains being 'naughty') and if they have had no change of 'leader' he is also the longest serving gaffer..otherwise its maybe me..hehehe.
Oh and Tera you forgot Krast.....from the Monsta/Storm list..Devil would play but has no PC in OZ but still posts at the forum....Exe also posts although serious illness restricts his play...Sword also posts but has no on line function where he lives (out in the wilderness of Sweden0..just a little update before you dig our grave m8...not that its likely in my life time... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
as for comp wins...when done as an average Rage when playing comp were top 5 for most of the time and maybe the highest real clan (5 or more) during this time but I doubt we would have matched the fanatical wolves' comp gaming..i think Fear had an above average rating throughout the clan and if we look at the present Angles are ok but anything after MI/WE can be put into questio due to dodgy tactics of kill your own m8 for points (from the non old school anyway).
Like I said before the most important thing is we are still here..all of us (kinda)...and have shared good and bad times....many more in the future to us all.
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Akai-ken would be even earlier tha Takiyama then...around the same age of Fears. On your point of 'who kept his original form the longest by having the most original members' is tricky...right now MI is played by maximum 10 on the fake server and the only clan alive is Takiyama (continuing their amazing longevity...the wonders of being 'pacific' eh Monster http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif)
Anyway, continuing on your valid point...I think a clearer view can be seen when MTW is out and everyone gets it...old members are to come back ...we're expecting some sort of 'old clan revival'...our forums are getting filled with old members signing back.
Will Exe, Sword, Fury be back in full force with MTW? And what about the old Fears? I propose we'll see then...but I repeat...when time comes few will be looking at who is the oldest...the majority will bid on the strongest. Let's work on that http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
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Like I said before the most important thing is we are still here..all of us (kinda)...and have shared good and bad times....many more in the future to us all.
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It's been over 2 years now...it's amazing how much stuff we passed from...and we're still here. We want more! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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[This message has been edited by Terazawa Tokugawa (edited 08-26-2002).]
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Bumping this... good reading for those interested http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
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Kagetora
Kenchikuka + Kampfgruppe Wiking
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Exe will be back as soon as he is fit again...
Sword posted with us the other day and is trying to make plans to get connected .... there is some thing about dial up cons in Sweden..they are pay per minute and no cable is available for him in the 'sticks'.
Today Devil tells us he is going to practise in OZ and be back early next year to hurt a few folk on-line..
It seems we (us from the old days) will be back..lets hope that MTW lives up to the billing it has been given and a new era of TW begins.
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So how many guys you got active at present Monsta? I dont think there are any of Clan Shades that aren't getting the game. I'm hoping we can get most of the clan on pretty soon after release date in the U.K, so that should be fun http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Wraith
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Good to know Monsta.
Several old Kenchis coming back, but I'm a fan of not huge clans...we have no daimyo so we decide with democratic voting.
I even heard the Host of Chaos maybe be re-established...
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Clan Kenchikuka
evil is within us... http://www.totalwar.org/site/emomalta.gif
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Reading this it reminds me that Rath was making a clan history website. I wonder whatever happened to it. From the preview he gave me it was looking really good.
hhhmmm maybe thats something I might pick up where he left off if he stopped doing it.
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Jaguara-Spoken like a TRUE SPAMMER Toda!
No Fear Legend.
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Shades number appears to be 16584
http://totalwar.ea-europe.com/Player...p?ClanID=16584
The most member we had was 18, but we are currently runnings at 10. ShadeLord has been there from the start as the leader, and is still our leader.
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Ok Tera the hint was enough...I will have to ask the lads if they think its ok for me to be your 'leader'.
I remember the history thing....even sent a requested 'history of who is who' thing...nothing happened though..what do you expect from a fan of OZ rules footy...its a wonder he even remembers his own name....not the friendliest sport ever to be developed!
I may host a page on the Rage site...history of TW on line as I have witnessed it' for all to send their little snippets....would be fun to see the conflicting versions.
Monsta is starting a page about the rumours concerning the 'circle'...any evidence about this would be nice.....gimme chance to get things going and then i will request any 'sightings' to be sent to me to be put on the site...(somewhere next to crop circles and big foot!)
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Good work Wolf m8, although Shades may not aspire to the high profile of other clans within the TW sphere. We have a very sound internal structure, how many other clans still have all their founding members active? Not too many I would hazard a guess http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif. I suppose reading through these posts that a distinction may have to be made between clans that have remained active in TW and clans that have remained active playing other games. Shades have not been too active in TW for a while but continue to play other online games both collectively and individually.
Wraith
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Ok Tera the hint was enough...I will have to ask the lads if they think its ok for me to be your 'leader'.
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Rage aren't just enough? Ah yes, you're also Watchman of the Circle, ouch isn't that enough? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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evil is within us... http://www.totalwar.org/site/emomalta.gif
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We're ignoring a clan though...TAKIYAMA...[/QUOTE]
Gah! Errors like this are unconscionable! Gah!
(P.S. someone told Krast that big word means 'wrong', or something like that.)
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Monsta i'm still waiting for you to reply to my email...been like 4 months now at least...
I've actually got quite a few replies from the dedicated daimyo's, but i didnt want to reveal the site until it was finished...i might have to change that if there is enough interest.
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circle? whats a circle?
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do you have a comment to make, a question to ask, or a concern about a current fearful ways member? plz feel free to stop by
Fearful Ways - The Mori Family
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I was also interested in what was happening with the clan history project Rath. Do you have any information from Shades? If not let me know and I will chase it up, as I think it's a worthwhile project and deserves all our support.
Wraith
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Rath i wrote about 4 pages and sent them m8.
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DarealRuler is a player from the Shoguns release as well
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I s there going to be a web site for the clan history...if it ever gets completed? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Wraith
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I never got it Monsta...i remember Fury telling me u had sent it so i believe ya, but for some reason it never got to me ???
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Shame..i did the Rage thing....bit about the final days of the Demons...bit about this and that...if interest I can do it again sometime...I even mentioned the 'chat war' that came about after Chaos (swollen by this time) decided to come out of their hiding place (own room) and go mental cos somebody said something about them....about 15-20 chaos vs 20-30 regulars/veterans/clans and the odd confused newbie....you think that it is mad when maybe 2 or 3 have a 'barny' this was 'hyper speed' scroll in the room...went on for about ten minutes....it also included death threats.....oh here i go again...those were the days!
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Im just bumping, as this is the first time a topic I have started has received over 100 posts....does the org have a special icon I can use to celebrate this event? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Wraith
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Well it's taking up over 1 fifth of this forums allowance, so that's gotta be a record http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif...great thread...i'll ask the higher powers if they can archive it.
I've got a good few of the clans info monsta...such as from aggony, takiyama, kenchi and a number of others...so if enough peeps are interested (as this many replies may indicate) maybe we can make something of all the info, which btw i have made a site for. Here's the url if anyone wants to make any comments...a lot of blank pages but u get the idea http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
http://au.geocities.com/rathanseril
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Good work so far Rath. I will post on Shades forum and see if we can get someone to rustle up a clan synopsis/history. I noticed that you had Doragon's down as deceased...do they know that yet? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gifI thought they were still going as a clan..although they are inactive in STW/MI.
Wraith
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Heh if i say they are deceased than they are, ok ?!? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif
Yeh there's a few errors but they are easily fixed, plus i have info for a few clans that i am yet to put in.
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OOOOOOOHHHH Rath what about that lovely flash intro I made for you...??? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/confused.gif
All my work gone down the drain???????
Gah! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/rolleyes.gifIt figures. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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DIPSY SAYS EH-OH!!!!!!!
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Toda, the dipsy image on your sig looks like a bit of a d**khead to me http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gifOr was it designed to look like that?
Wraith
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Toda the flash didnt work properly...it distorted the screen so it had to go man...but if u want to make one that works mate... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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Gah![/QUOTE]
Gah! We were all NEBs once! Gah!
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Now if you want to talk about the clan that played the most 2v2 and up competitive matches that would have to go to the Fearful Ways clan. At the time we all stopped playing comp games, we were well over 4,000 plus games I believe. Of course 500 of them were JST in 1v1 games. LOL
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Now look what you gone and done Wraith..you ask stupid questions and stupid people reply in their hundreds....glad I havent added anything here...errr till now...and maybe one or two others.....but nothing compared to this lot...please join the 'give us more room in the clans forum' campaign...Tera we promise this time you wont get 'Mutsued'(to coin a phrase).
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Rath, I didn't know we Doragons were dead. Life is funny that way: one minute you are alive an kicking, the next (* snap fingers *) you are worm food. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif I'll have to notify the others pronto. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Seriously, I do recall Barocca saying he sent you our clan info. I'll double check with him. Maybe we just need to resend it to you.
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Gregoshi
A Member of Clan Doragon
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Tomorrow Shades will reappear out of the shadows
We will once again rule the online community
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i've got it Greg, no worries about that...when i have a second i'll reinstate u guys. Sorry for any offence it may have caused http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
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Ok closing this for now and starting a new thread for it.
