RTW Bugs

Ok, had my first game-killing bug last night.

I'm not sure what happened. I was busy kicking tail as the Brits, and was just about to put the pain on the Gauls. I quicksaved, then pressed end turn.

At first I thought it had locked up, because everything just froze. Then, a long time later, the AI turns started. But something was definately wrong, because normally AI turns fly by on my machine, and this time, they were taking a minute or so each. Finally, on the Senate turn, the game went into hard lock.

I restarted the computer and tried again. I could tell something was odd because when I tried to load either savegame, the loading was very slow, and normally it isn't. Pressing end turn always got the same result.

Unfortunately, both the Quicksave and the Autosave were corrupted, so the campaign is lost. Too bad, too. I was enjoying it. :cry:

But at least the damage was limited to the saves. I've since restarted a campaign as the Germans, and everything is working great. SCREECHING WOMEN!!! ~D

I have both save games tucked away in case anyone would like a look.

I might have come off a bit pissed, and I guess I was, but it is good to know you are still a good guy Spino. I seem to be jumping at shadows lately. ~:eek:

Here are a bunch more bugs --

Ladder bug - I have built them but they don't appear as available EVER!

Siege Tower bug - There is a random bug that causes units to fall through the wall and die!

Wall Bug - Trying to break out of an AI siege causes the AI to move all its units right up to the walls. If you have stone walls, the missile towers decimate the AI and the AI just stands there until all its units rout from losses.

Siege Bug - You can break a siege by having one unit step outside then jump back in. The battle result is a draw -- breaking the siege.

GEForce Mouse Bug - Reported on the official forums. Jerky laggy mouse performance.

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Originally Posted by Kraxis

I might have come off a bit pissed, and I guess I was, but it is good to know you are still a good guy Spino. I seem to be jumping at shadows lately. ~:eek:

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Don't worry about it. I never took it that way. It's nice to see someone so passionate about this topic. I also want this game to be as good as it can be. ~:cheers:

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Originally Posted by bhutavarna

your agents probably died naturally at the end of the turn. the faction announcement at the beginning of new turn will show that.

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I get the announcement when they die or they change allegiance. I'm speaking of newly trained spies and diplomats I just sent out that disappears in the field after a turn. I have already lost 6-7 spies diplomats to this. I just want an announcement whether they were bribed (by my enemy) or killed (by an assasin). This happens in the frontlines where I can't build watchtowers so they double as scouts.

~:cool:

On the pre-battle scroll where the particpating armies and their reinforcements are listed you can left-click on any general's portrait and move it around anywhere on the scroll as if it was a unit card!

Don't know if this has been covered:

there should be a "Gate LocK' feature like AoK had - so that your troops don't wander out into the enemy and invite them through the gates

For folks who are having problems keeping groups grouped nicely in battles, here's a couple of tips:

1) One or twice I've had the strangest bug where, no matter what I did, particular units or groups insisted that they were selected, no matter how much I selected other ones - even if I ungrouped and regrouped the group that insisted it was selected, or the other group that I actually wanted to be selecting/moving.

It was solved by selecting All groups (Control-A), grouping everybody together with G into one big group (which abolished all previous groupings), and then ungrouping everybody (G again). THEN making the groups you had before. Now everybody will work as expected.

This workaround solves the very annoying "stuck-on-you" bug.

2) Another consistent bug - or just functionality, whatever - is how a given group will often insist on keeping its current "formation" which is actually a snapshot of some previous moment when they are haphazardly placed relative to each other. Orda and others have complained that they have to place each individual member again, etc. (and of course, this is often only a rough approximation of what you wanted).

The easy solution for this is to select the group in question, then give it a formation command, such as Single Line (Shift-1). Use F1 to see all the formation commands. Issuing a formation command immediately turns a group back into an "easy elastic band", like they were in MTW. Whether you can actually want one of these new formations is up to you - but Shift-1 easily solves all my problems with "will you morons just line up!"

A couple of other things that might trip newbies up, but aren't bugs:

1) If you select a group, you will not see special function buttons light up unless EVERYBODY in the group is able to do it. For example if you have a bunch of Principe units but ONE of them has used all their spears, the "fire at will" button will be grayed out and it's status can't be seen or changed (unlike in MTW). The solution is to individually select units that (still) have the ability in order to see and/or change its status.

2) If you use Pause a lot, you'll notice that e.g. the Run button will be incorrect, if you wanted to e.g. issue a new move command, then hit Run, to make then Run there. (This is if it took careful placement and you weren't able to just double-click.) You have to take Pause off for just an instant, for their Run button to light up (i.e., for them to accept the run command).

Likewise if you wanted to move your whole army up in formation, you will not see the placeholders for anybody if you do it while in Pause - which makes it hard to keep them near each other. So move, say, the frontline troops first, un-Pause then Pause again, now you'll see their placeholders, and can place others near them.

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EXTREMELY annoying bug that causes the game to bomb out to desktop almost every time I start MP. Patch please! :furious3:

Three bugs:

1. Javelin cavalry always skirmish until they have run out of ammo. I turned off skirmish mode, turned off fire at will mode and used alt-attack (force charge) and they would still veer off some distance away from their opponents. They're even veering off routing units.

2. Pathfinding in sieges are really bad. A lot of times I have units inside the town and I'm telling them to go somewhere, usually the town square. They would head out the town, mill around before going back in again.

3. Sometimes, units in different groups would follow orders I issued to a different group. For example, I just press 1 and right-click but both group 1 and 2 would follow my orders. I'm not pressing Ctrl or anything so I don't think I selected both at the same time.

I am not sure if this has been posted.
I sometimes have bugs when Legionaries form the testudo. When they walk in the woods, some get stuck and sometimes the whole unit stops or move backwards.

Pathfinding in cities, especially the town square, is buggy. You click to attack, and your unit will often run off in some other direction -- often into another unit that you'd prefer not to engage in. It's also incredibly difficult to get units to properly do a rear/flank charge, since they generally "miss", run right by the targeted unit, and end up getting hit themselves in the back.

I thought it was just cavalry at first, and believed it might be a feature rather than bug (since presumably cavalry cannot maneuver as well in city streets). But it's infantry too. And it's not only the area around the flag.

Makes town battles incredibly annoying.

The hwole AI concerning cities is really messed up. I was defending a siege in a recently conquered city and forgot to repair the hole I had made to get in. The AI, attacking from the other direction, runs his whole army around the walls (right by every single tower). I pulled back to the town square, he marchers his army to it, mostly 1 by 1. They all reach the town squad exausted and are slaughtered. At least he tried to flank by using both entrances to the square, unfortunately he also sent his general in first, alone (scythian nobles also).

Also when attacking cities, the AI keeps suiciding it's units. If you route 1, theyll run back to the square, rally, and immediately head out by themselves back into the swords of your 8 advancing cohorts.

I hope CA is doing some serious work on the AI, theyre so incompetant at city battles that I may as well be cheating.

I encountered this for the first time last night. I was sallying forth from my city to smite the Egyptians. I ended up with a log jam in front of the gate involving about 4 -5 cav and foot units. The bug was that I could not get them unjammed (I clicked double clicked etc on every unit) until I turned off the skirmish mode. Luckily the Egyptians didnt attack or it would've been a slaughter.

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I am not sure if this has been posted.
I sometimes have bugs when Legionaries form the testudo. When they walk in the woods, some get stuck and sometimes the whole unit stops or move backwards.

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I've tried the (worthless) testudo formation and found another problem. When you disable the formation, you have to completely wait until they all reform back to the default shape. If you don't, whatever is left will still be in testudo shape. While I charged, one row was still in testudo formation and got left behind. Pretty funny. :laugh4:

temple of zeus currently apepars to do nothing.

All wonders grant 20% order bonus temporarliy. Temple does the same thing, but otherwise adds nothing to population loyalty, afaict.

When I have a large siege battle in a large city (1600 vs 1600), the framerate starts out smoothly, but gradually the framerate degrades.. as if the accumulation of bodies was the culprit. It makes no sense. It starts out perfectly smooth, and by the time the opponents are dead, the framerate makes it almost unplayable. Even pressing Pause makes no difference (which it does in huge mock battles), I get down to 2-3 fps at that point.

It would be much more logical if it started out with low fps, and got better as the men died. For every dead body, the CPU has less pathfinding and AI to do.

I have an Amd Athlon 2400+ XP, MSI KT3 Ultra-2R (VIA), 2x512mb Kingston pc2100, Sapphire 9800XT 256mb, DirectX9.0C, ATI Catalyst 4.9, Windows XP SP1.

I'm getting a new system tomorrow: A64 3800+, MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum Ed. (Nforce3). I'll test the same issue then, and post my findings.

I think this could very well be a symptom of a memoryleak in the game, and it could be related to a certain combinations of memorytypes, motherboard-chipsets, and most certainly gamecode.

I'm going to test further using the Performance-log in WinXP to make sure if it is a memleak or not.

I'd urge others to playtest and see if they get this bug.

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Ok. I just started RTW again and tried the exact same siege battle. This time, it ran fine. This is a clear confirmation of the existence of a memoryleak. There IS a memoryleak. Now I'm going to try to catch the leak on a performance-log.

In short:
-After a very prolonged playtime, memoryleak occurs, causing cumulative and dramatic degradation of framerate in battles (not only siege battles, but most frequently)

I'm not sure if this has been reported but i got a CTD for no reason after going to the loading screen on a custom battle Pontus vs Julli.

I get a CTD most of the time I try to get into Multiplayer. :help:

Where's the "transgression" warning.

I know that, in theory, there's no need to give the human player way to express dissatisfaction becasue he knows he's mad already. However, it would be nice to give a warning.

"Even if you're going to hang a man, it costs nothing to be polite." Winston Churchill.

I have the problem with CTD when loading multiplayer also.

Navy Bugs:
-The AI seems to have trouble merging ships into fleets. In my current campaign, the Spanish have about 20 single ships in the med, and 1 big fleet. The same goes for the Julii, Brutii and Senate (I'm Scipii). They still cluster all these little fleets together, you'll often see 5 or more bunched up and travelling in line.

-There's also a bug where you can't merge flagships which both have ranking admirals aboard (more than zero stars). THis could be related to the AI not merging fleets, but I dont think so since not all the AI ships have ranked admirals.

-Admirals aren't gaining stars through battle, only through people in their retinue. This is a strange contrast to generals who seem to gain them very easily. I get one after just about any sucessful confontation, I'll even often get a positive increase in a general's command trait if I march my army up to a single enemy unit, who declines battle and retreats away.

Although I'm not sure whether this is classified as a bug or not, but it would be nice to see the AI blockading ports on a more regular basis. At the moment in my current campaign there's a huge Spanish fleet sitting outside my Julii cities (I'm a war with them) however, none of them are blockading any of the ports.

During defending a stone walled city I places Archers on single file along the gate area in the deployment phase. I set them to Use Fire as well in the deployment phase. When the battle started they didnt' fire one arrow. They just sat there with their bows. I tried clicking and making them fire - nothing. I really was confused by this because the archers are on 30 foot high stone walls and not able to fire at anything no matter what I did with the.

No they were not in a group.

Colovion,

There are troubles making archers fire sometimes. Try to put them on Fire-at-will but don't give them any orders. When they start firing, just try to redirect their specific target.

I've had the same problems, but mine is attacking barbarian towns. I haven't tried fire arrows though since they slow my system reeeaallly bad ~:handball:

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It seems then when your ships are in a fleet led by a ship with command stars you can't repair/reman/retrain the ships at ports. This bugged me for quite awhile until I took the ships out of the group and sent them to the ports by themselves where they were finally able to retrain.

Not sure if this has been mentioned or not, but I thought i'd post it.

Edit-You CAN select them to be retrained, the only problem is so long as they're in the fleet it never happens. I waited several turns and with them supposedly saying 0 turns but never training.

Feel free to delete this if it has been mentioned.

Corruption of a savegame. I tried loading a savegame from the day before and got CTD after a ½ second loading. I tried the autosave and quicksave and got the same results. It was early as the scipii in the big campaign. Sad to see that campaign go. Another save I had worked fine.

I also get the trouble with groups mentioned before.

Junior Patron SpifDK has this to say:

When I attacked Thessalonica from the seaside with my faction leader, a strange bug occurred. I didn't have enough move points to besiege the city in this turn, but when he and his army left the ships, he did it anyway. I did hear the "No more moves, sir", but he continued nonetheless.

I loaded a game where I was besieging Sparta, but the army was somehow transported to another place on the map. A reload fixed this.

When merging a sea unit with another, and one of them is of higher experience, they automatically get the same experience. For example, you have a Bireme with 20 units and an experience of 2. You merge these with another Bireme consisting of 39 units, but these only have an experience of 1. After the merging both units have an experience of 2, even though only one man, one single man, was transferred to the other ship. Bug? I definitely think so.

I besieged a city, but suddenly the garrison sallied forth. To huge armies nearby helped them. The reinforcements appeared on the other side of the map, but when trying to enter the city, they couldn't go through the gates. Or rather, they wouldn't. Every time a regiment had gone through the gate, it was immediately ordered back. Very annoying since...

There is no battle timer when playing siege battles.

After removing the disc from my disc drive, I need to restart my computer in order to be able to play the game.

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Originally Posted by Colt374

GROUP MODE BUG : Has anyone else noticed how if you have your army grouped into several groups and you give one group an destination all the other groups also start heading for that destination. Don't know if this happens all the time but it seems to.

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I haven't had it happen all the time, but I did have it happen to me once, & it was during my assault on a city.

I noticed a bug with the building browser. If I call up the city scroll & use the arrow icons around the title to cycle through my cities, & then I look at the building browser for one of those cities, when I close the building browser, the scroll displays the first city who's scroll I called up, not the one I was looking at.

Example: I call up the city scroll for city 1. I click the arrow to change the scroll to city 2. I click again to change to city 3. While looking at the scroll for city 3, I decide to consult the building browser to see if I can build a catapult range yet. After looking at the building browser, I click the check mark at the bottom to close it & go back to the city scroll. At this point the city scroll displays city 1, not city 3. If I click the arrow at the top now, however, it will display city 4.

A couple times now, spies of mine have, of their own volition apparently, left the enemy city they had infiltrated and clambereda board the fleet blockading the port.

Maybe enemy assassins can force them out of the city somehow and that is what I am seeing.

A couple of things during seiges:

1) I've never managed to have ladders appear. Having built many, I never get them once I start the battle.

2) Dunno if this is supposed to happen, but when I use a seige tower and successfully get a unit onto the walls, no more troops can follow up the seige tower. Seams a bit silly when it's a clear way in fought for by my 1337 troops.

3) Tha AI are all complete n00bs in seiges.

- the AI also never sends more troops up the ladders either

- I was possitioning my hoplite troops in front of the gate in a semicircle with three units to the three sided 'cirlcle'. I had my Spartans inside the formation, plenty of room. The gates had been opened and I was trying to get the Spartans as close to the opening without going out it. I used the "drag/click" and made them go form up. This worked to a point - but each and every time I did this the Spartans would start to move around after a while and start to leave the formation - trying to run back through the hoplites around them. I did this over and over again with the same result - retarded Spartans with their heads cut off.

- I had some Militia hoplites inside my Stone walled city. For the life of me (and them) I couldn't get them to go up to the top of the wall. They eventually lost the city for my by running outside teh gates and letting the enemy in (once again, a "Lock the City Gates" button feature would be indespensible at a time like this). I tried drag clicking them up there, tried single right clicking them up there - they wouldn't move. So I right clicked "attack" on the units who were up there and they ran outside! Frusterating....

http://pages.videotron.ca/rossmacd/stuck.jpg

Moved a fleet onto this river mouth tile on the eastern Iberian which is apparantly a land tile. The fleet got stuck and I couldn't transfer ships out of it (nor is there any way to disband it), but I could transfer ships from the nearby fleet into it. As you can see from the cursor, it doesn't allow you to move the fleet.

Also in the pic you can see an example of the AI not merging ships. there's about 5 more spanish ships clustered together just offscreen to the east.

You can't make units go up on top of the walls unless they are close enough to the door for the unit to 'know' there is a door there. If you click or drag/click on the wall they will go around the sap point/gate to the outside of the wall (or out through the closed gate). You have to get them to a certain place in front of the door before they will consider climbing those dark stairs..... I guess there's a proximity thing there that needs expanding...

One bug I noticed is when you eliminate a faction by conquering all the cities any family members in the field will turn rebel. The thing is, they still retain any titles they had as part of the faction, eg you will see a rebel family general with the title "faction leader". Bribe him and he still retains the faction leader tag plus the benefits, so you can have multiple faction leaders. I havent tried this with rebel faction heirs, but if the same thing happens then it might mess up succession.

One very minor bug I came across was when I besieged Carthage as the Brutii.

The puny garrison sallied and other tiny armies moved in from the surrounding countryside. The faction leader was in command of the puny Punic garrison army, while captains were in command of each reinforcement army.

Now there were something like three reinforcement armies consisting of nothing but one unit of Pikemen.

What was really funny was every time one of the Captains ran I got the "Enemy King flees" message, and every time I killed that unit I got the "Enemy King has been slain" message (complete with little video).

It was rather amusing that I killed the faction leader about Five times in that sally which turned into an assault!

The tactical advisor occasionally gives inappropriate advice, especially in reference to river/bridge battles. I get advice about river battles fairly regularly when I am near a river on the strategic map but the river does not appear on the tactical map. During deployment the advisor will be giving me advice about defending a bridge when I am actually preparing to attack an enemy on a hill in and there is no river on the map.

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I think there is a memory leak or something equally bad. I was playing a battle (about 2K troops all told) and the FPS suddenly went down to the single digits with massive stutters,

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I second that. I had this happen now 3 times. Common circumstances include:
a moderate to large amount of troops (at least 500 per side)
LOTS of missiles used. Typically cretan archers, but I have seen it in a battle with lots of velites and cavalry auxilia
There may have been missiles fire at some point in all three instances.


I definitely feel it is related to the missles. If a lot of them get fired, the computer slows to a crawl. It almost feels like it is still trying to track the missiles that got thrown.

I have played other massive battles without much slowdown. I think my specs are NOT the problem. Here they are for completeness ( not boasting):

Dell Pentium4 2.4 Ghz with 1 MB RAM. Nvidia 5700 Ultra with 128MB RAM (made by PNY). On board sound (no sound card). Resolution at 800X600 or 1024X728 (happened with both). Happens despite decreasing all the "extra" stuff. Win XP no patches. Graphic card drivers circa Dec '03 . I will look for new ones.

This is a real problem for me. I hope it gets patched soon

Afrit

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Originally Posted by Shigawire

When I have a large siege battle in a large city (1600 vs 1600), the framerate starts out smoothly, but gradually the framerate degrades.. as if the accumulation of bodies was the culprit. In short:
-After a very prolonged playtime, memoryleak occurs, causing cumulative and dramatic degradation of framerate in battles (not only siege battles, but most frequently)

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Glad to see I am not the only one noticing this. So far two others have complained. This is a serious problem I am thinking of dropping RTW until a patch.

In my experience, I feel it was related to missiles being thrown. I'll go experiment in some custom battles to find out.

There are 2 other bugs I found:
1. When besieging a city, if you rollover the mouse it gives the correct amount of turns until it falls. But if you double click it, it gives the original number only in the info window.

2. Neutral ships blocking your paths. While this may be a feature, it is a problem in tight areas. Often i cannot get anything through the Dardanelles or Bosporus because of the damn neutral ships sitting tere. They should allow you to navigate around neutrals.

Dropping a ram doesnt work if the ram has smashed a hole in the wall. The unit has to be moved near the gate, then it can be moved away from the ram.

Posted this outside this thread, but for future reference...

Retrain Units to Overstrength, e.g. 74 men instead of 54 in a Cavalry unit.


Imagine you have some Cavalry at

44/54 and 34/54 after a battle.

Retrain. Then merge the two units after you gave the retrain command.

You will get a 74/54 Cav unit. -> +10 and + 20 for the two units you initially started retraining.

This works not always, but I often end up with such "overstrength" units

re Beelzebubs bug about Navy getting stuck on land tile-i note with amuselent that i've had exactly the same issue playing Scipii at exactly the same place....maybe its like the Developers version of the Bermuda Triangle-lol ~:)

Very small problem with sound. Sometimes, the little shouts given by troops on the strategy map ( Move out! Victory!) stop working.

I have just stared a custom battle with Seleculid + Scythia vs Dacia + Gaul. I found two bugs:

1) I ordered my units to attack the dacian general. He was running to the scythians, but my troops caught up with him. I then moved away for a moment and he disappeared. There was no trace of him on the map and no "Enemy general dead". It was strange.

2. My general's bodyguard was annihalated and i got the message my general was fleeing. However, there was only 1 man in the unit and he was flying no banner.

I situated my army across a river bridge. Brutii, come, I am not afraid of your great numbers, I thought. But the devil gave me bad advice - why not also construct a fort in addition to river defence? So I did, smearing. As it appeared after turn button pressing, brutii cheerfully crossed the river and besieged my fortification. This is not logical, because if there werent fort they would have to storm the bridge. Who would make fort away from the river? Romans did not at their river borders, so would not any reasonable ruler

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re Beelzebubs bug about Navy getting stuck on land tile-i note with amuselent that i've had exactly the same issue playing Scipii at exactly the same place....maybe its like the Developers version of the Bermuda Triangle-lol ~:)

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Same.

Ok squalor is certainly not working right. I have a city that I am about to upgrade to the highest palace level, I still have room for population growth yet Squalor is out of control (and this is with all the health buildings and everything).

If I still have room for expansion on that level then surely my city would not be squalid & suffering from overcrowding!

If the city is about to approaching the next level, squalor should increase as the population strains the limit of the city's infrastructure. Building the next level of governor's building also represents a general expansion of the infrastructure, resulting in a drop in squalor.

Also as you are probably aware, governors may have vices which increase squalor.

Last night is the second time I've had a faction member appointed pontifex maximus & had it not appear in his list of traits. It hasn't happened with any other office.

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If the city is about to approaching the next level, squalor should increase as the population strains the limit of the city's infrastructure. Building the next level of governor's building also represents a general expansion of the infrastructure, resulting in a drop in squalor.

Also as you are probably aware, governors may have vices which increase squalor.

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I agree that squalor should increase a slight amount, but this is just getting stupid. Squalor accounts for pretty much ALL the unhappyness in the place (and I have a large garisson of Town Watch, plus Games running Monthly) The culture penalty is so tiny its not even worth mentioning, the same as the distance to capital penalty and all I see is a very long line of rats on the details screen...

This is not a case of slight squalor due to the city reaching its limit (which is marginal in smaller towns), this is out of control major squalor!

As for governors, there wasn't one in the city initially (i had automanage turned off for this campaign), but I recently shipped over one of my best governors into the province who had great retinue and traits from haning around the Academy for a few turns... No effect on squalor.

Currently it is only the Monthly games and Low Taxes thats keeping order there, and even so it has a Yellow face on the map!

Tyre and Sidon were close to each other. We made a decision to include Sidon as the settlement for the province rather than Tyre. The two would have actually been on the same/adjacent squares in the game.

So no, this isn't a bug: it's a design decision. ~:)

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Tyre seems to have been repeatedly misspelt Sidon :dizzy2:
Not just ingame either, this bug is present in the documentation & marketing material too :juggle2:

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Pretty serious trade bug:
It doesn't matter do you have trade resources or not you'll trade anyway(if you have port). So if you have port you'll have sea lane, and you'll export nothing.
The Funniest thing is that this "not existing sea export/import is extrimly profitabe, for example in one game i had two trade lanes from one city, in one lane i exported 2 trade goods(got 400/turn), in another i exported "nothing"(and got 700d/turn)!
So right now the best place for trade is a province without any trade goods!

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Originally Posted by Oracle

Pretty serious trade bug:
It doesn't matter do you have trade resources or not you'll trade anyway(if you have port). So if you have port you'll have sea lane, and you'll export nothing.
The Funniest thing is that this "not existing sea export/import is extrimly profitabe, for example in one game i had two trade lanes from one city, in one lane i exported 2 trade goods(got 400/turn), in another i exported "nothing"(and got 700d/turn)!
So right now the best place for trade is a province without any trade goods!

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Was that city linked to other cities belonging to your faction by roads? Perhaps ports can receive income for trade goods that are actually being imported via roads connecting another city in the same faction?

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Tyre and Sidon were close to each other. We made a decision to include Sidon as the settlement for the province rather than Tyre. The two would have actually been on the same/adjacent squares in the game.

So no, this isn't a bug: it's a design decision.

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I assume the same reasoning was behind the omission of the Iberian city of Saguntum in favor of the inclusion of Osca? I'm a little perplexed over that one, because unlike Tyre which saw its glory days end with its conquest by Alexander the Great Saguntum was a major city and was fought over bitterly by Carthage and Rome. Osca didn't become a prominent city until much later in RTW's time period.

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Originally Posted by Oracle

Pretty serious trade bug:
It doesn't matter do you have trade resources or not you'll trade anyway(if you have port). So if you have port you'll have sea lane, and you'll export nothing.
The Funniest thing is that this "not existing sea export/import is extrimly profitabe, for example in one game i had two trade lanes from one city, in one lane i exported 2 trade goods(got 400/turn), in another i exported "nothing"(and got 700d/turn)!
So right now the best place for trade is a province without any trade goods!

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entrepot trading? If you are at the centre of major trade routes, you can import goods and export them at a profit.

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- the AI also never sends more troops up the ladders either

- I had some Militia hoplites inside my Stone walled city. For the life of me (and them) I couldn't get them to go up to the top of the wall. ....

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That may have been cos pikemen cant enter towers so cant move to the top of the walls.

Im glad to see CA is reading and taking note of this thread. Hopefully they can release Info soon on any SP patch in the works (or the patch itself!).

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That may have been cos pikemen cant enter towers so cant move to the top of the walls.

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they can once they take out their swords, I've seen it done

Here's one that happens every battle.

These cavalry are "pursuing" that hoplite.

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...X/pursuing.jpg

Or to be more precise, they are strutting along at a leisurly pace infront of him.

First off... as RedKnight said, shift+1 is your friend. I had troubles arranging grouped units until I did shift+1. Now I stick units into single line formation the moment I group them, makes it a lot easier.

One slight bug/annoyance. Remember in STW how if you moved units around while paused their destinations didn't show up using space? Well, it kinda does the same in RTW. But it's not too bad, you can just hit unpause/pause quickly to see where they're going before moving other units. Also noticed a few AI quirks, as well as the FF problems. Also the game timer is weird, I get 30 mins for a tiny battle with a unit each, yet I've had less than 20 minutes for sieges with over a thousand men in the field. But these are either minor issues or mainly avoidable once you know the oddities of the game.

However... two bugs really are annoying me...

Crashes to desktop. I've crashed a few times yestaday in one evening of play. And oddly they happened at different times too. In STW I always crashed at the end of a turn. In RTW I've crashed in a menu in the strat map, crashed at the end of a turn, and oddly crashed in the middle of a battle too. Seemed pretty random when I would crash. Thankfully it doesn't happen enough to be a crushing bug.

Second bug.... Everynow and then in battle the camera gets stuck moving in one direction, as if one of the arrow keys is held down. Even after the battle it still happens and the map scrolls to one side. Happened several times to me, and restarting the game was my usual course of action. Not a big issue... unless it happens in the middle of a key battle. In which case you'll be tearing your hair out! :embarassed:

Overall though I have to say I'm very impressed both with the gameplay and the visuals. The game runs well on my "okish" system and looks very nice. A very addictive game for sure, just like mtw and stw ~D

- when an enemy unit is up on the walls and you send a unit from down below to go up to attack they will bunch up and cluster near or around the tower door but won't go up it. To make them do what you want you need to click to make them go up to the top of the walls and once they are there THEN you can attack the enemy, otherwise you'll lose units getting stuck on the walls down below.

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entrepot trading? If you are at the centre of major trade routes, you can import goods and export them at a profit.

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Now I see it, BUT i'm sure bug still exists. I won't send screenshots(they are big and 4 is required to get complete picture) but anyone who has taken sicily will see it. It looks like both my cities resell silver to Carthage which was traded from Italy. (Silver is the only resource that i'm getting not from Africa)

My son can build legionary cavalry before the Marian reforms - seems like a bug.

Well, there's still a bug then, in that the resource that's being resold isn't displayed. It would be nice if it gave the resource information (where it came from, where it's going) with a tooltip.

One of my cities last night was sieged, my Phalanx's holding the entrance to the town square were going down so I decided to save my general and archers, ran them far outside the walls while the timer counted down, no enemies near, but the withdraw option wasn't there. After the battle it said I had 92 survivors (no casualties given after battle) but the army was nowhere to be found on the campaign map.

Not sure if that's a bug or not, but it should be possible to save units by exiting the city (while not being pursued) during a siege. Especially if the general is with them.

Here is another one found by a junior patron

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Would someone please post this in the 'RTW Bugs' sticky?

If you capture a city, exterminate the populace and quit to the main menu right afterwards, the sound from the slaughter will loop endlessly in the background.

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There are several unit stats that don't match the 3d models:

1. Desert Axemen are shirtless yet have 11 armour, should be 0 to 3.

2. Pharaoh's Guards get Shield = 5, despite not having a shield.

3. Numidian cav, desert cav, and several roman cav have small shields but get a Shield = 4 rating when it should be a 2 for small shields.

4. Desert cav appear to have axes (uses the desert axemen model), although they are listed as having a mace in unit stats. Weapons show as "light" although an axe is considered "heavy" for the foot unit. Not sure how the mace would be classified.

Hi,

I'm getting a lock up with the game when I attack the city of Carthage.
The video locks up, but the music carrys on going.
I cant escape the game and return to windows, so I have to do a hard reset.

Ive been playing the game for about about 20 hours now, and have not had any other lock ups when attacking any other city, only Carthage.

I don't know if this has been reported yet but I managed to reproduce this bug again and again right now. I grouped my hoplites into Ctrl-1 and my Cretan archers into Ctrl-3. I press 1, then move, both groups 1 and 3 move. I press 3, press stop, both groups stop. Errr.....

I'm not sure how this happened but it was this way the entire battle.

I was in a battle, and the option to continue or to end came up. I had the game on triple speed, so I hit Ctrl-T right when that option came up, the game went back to normal speed, and the option went away. After the whole rebel army I had been fighting was gone, nothing happened. So I waited till the time ran out. Nothing happened. There was no time left, and I basically marched my army to the other side of the field just to see if I could. I withdrew a unit to see if that would change anything.

Eventually I had to alt-tab out and close the game because I couldn't do anything else. (I could have probably quit from in game but I didn't feel like it)

I don't know if this has been reported yet, I think it's important:

It's about AI behavior during sieges. Imagine you are being sieged by an army controlled by the AI. Imagine your city has stone walls. Well, you can try to break the siege sending your garrison against the enemy...and this is what it happens:

The entire enemy army runs close to your city walls and stay there: they are completely slaughtered by the arrows thrown by the defending towers. When most of the army has been killed (20-30 foes left), they withdraw and leave the siege.

So, to break a siege, you only need a small garrison (a peasant is enough) and city walls; simply, you are unbeatable when the AI sieges your cities.

This is a bit annoying too: if you haven't got stone walls and you only have a stockade, then try to break the siege, shoot the enemy with your bowmen/slingers and withdraw when your ammo is out. Repeat as much as necessary in the same turn until the enemy dies and leaves the siege.


I think the AI behavior must be fixed or AI sieges will be a joke (in fact, now they are due to these exploits).

Just one little thing. I have tried to bribe myself into the most top right hand corner province. After the bribe is accepted, the scroll freezes and it wont let me do anything anymore. I have to Alt+ctrl+delete and restart the game in order to continue. However, it happens everytime I make a bribe to that (and only that) province. Can someone please try that and confirm or deny. It cold just be my pc although I have as of yet to experience ANY problems whatsoever.

Quid

this must be a bug

Thrace's financial situation went off the map after I gave them Protectorate status. I have easily the best economy in the present game with at least - Thrace has 3 or 4 provinces. If it leveled off it makes sense - but it increases the same exact way for near 20 turns! ~:eek:

we're also confused what the function of Protectorates are...

I previously posted that I've had the Office of Pontifex Maximus not appear a couple of times in the traits list. I've now had it happen for other offices, specifically Consul and Praetor.

I once had the bug someone mentioned of two seperate groups seeming to be grouped together, that is, move & halt orders given to one group cause the other, not-selected group to do the same.

I've had the sound stick in a loop on the battlefield map about four times; no other sounds play after that, & it continues on the campaign map, but I can still fight out the battle. I wasn't doing anything in particular to cause it that I know of. Three times, it was just music & sound effects (like the sound of a building burning) which were stuck, but I did have to laugh, however, at the sheer ridiculousness of fighting half of one siege battle with a voice repeatedly shouting, "Charge!"

Had a fright starting the Parthian campaign.

When I clicked the arrow taking me to each cityin the opening, the screen went dark and the settlement displays disappeared when I went to Campus Sakae. When I moved the mouse a bit, the settlement display reappeared.

Started a new Parthian campaign and the same thing happened. Played all right after the first turn, though.

Tried it on huge unit size, and the campaign crashed. Didn't crash to desktop, though, just locked up.

I'm not sure if these have been brought up before but I didn't have the time to re-read this entire post

1. Last night I brought my 20 unit army of ships that had been off fighting the enemy back to port and tried to retrain them back to full strength. Though they filled the retrain que, they would never train. Exiting the game (to the desktop) and then running it again sometimes fixed this behavior.

2. I don't have an option to turn on anti-aliasing. The drop down box is there but it doesn't drop down with any other options. I have a GeForce 4200 with 64MBvram. This isn't that annoying because I can turn on AA through my videocard desktop settings.

3. When moving troops on the battlefield, I often click and drag their destination then tell them to run by pressing the 'r' key. The units will give some audible indication they've received the order (eg. 'HURRY UP!') but they will continue to walk. If I then double click they will run.

4. While trying to change the battlefield control interface I switched to RTS style and then tried to remap the 'A' and 'D' keys (which rotate by default - what RTS's have you been playing?) to 'Q' and 'E' (the strafe keys) and vica-versa. When I assigned these letters to the new function it didn't remove that letter from the prior function. The reassignation failed so that I now had the letter 'A' set to both turn and strafe. When I got to the battle, the 'A' key did nothing.

5. I haven't been able to track it down, but often times after I view some details on a scroll in the strategy screen and close it, it brings up one of the events I had already gone through (from the events that pile up on the left hand side)

Though this is probably just another omission in the battlefield control scheme rather than a bug it's close enough to point out.

When you have a group of missile units and one of these units is out of arrows, you can't re-enable fire at will for the entire group. It's necessary to manually deselect the units that are out of ammo and reissue the command to the rest.

Forwarding a note from a junior patron

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Not really sure if this is a bug, but when the "Faction Defeated"-message comes up, all sound and music mutes instantly. Seems a little odd. Maybe some special music is supposed to play, but the script is somehow broken?

I can't play with unit details set to highest. Every time I enter a battle, the detail level is only high. There is no way to fix this.

After changing the resolution during a battle, a confirmation screen appears where you can choose wether you wan to keep the new settings or not. Pressing the "X", however, doesn't change the resolution back to what it was previously. It just... eh... "reloads" the new resolution.

When besieging a city as the Romans and the defenders sally forth, a bug occurred in the battle speech. The Roman general will say that the city will be mine if I win, but the city is not under my control after winning the battle. Not sure, but I think this only happens when both armies has reinforcements.

A few times during my Brutii campaign the Senate popularity was reset for all Roman factions.

Told the Scythians to give me their map or I would attack. Their response didn't match my demands at all. They told me that they had heard such promises too often, and I was not trustworthy. This has only happened to me once, although I told them multiple times.

Having been at war with the Egyptians for a very long time, but hardly engaging them in battle, they offered me a ceasefire. I demanded trade rights and 1000 Denarii. They refused. Their counter proposal was far more favourable: ceasefire, trade rights and 2000 Denarii for five turns.
Very, very stupid...

Please, please make it an option to have the Marian Reform happen at 107 BC.

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More town center fun! After telling my men to fire javelins at the enemy, they instead decided to slowly walk towards them. This, of course, happens *every* time. So I have to set to fire at will, which makes them aim at the small unit of 7 guys sitting next to the 170 strong unit I wanted to hit.:furious3: This is not a rare occurance.

Here is another fun one, of the same unit. Notice that, according to my orders, and the unit card, this unit is "running". Hmmmmmm.....they don't look like they are running...

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...towncenter.jpg

In fact, they walked the entire way....

major bug i just noticed durring a city assault without siege equipment:

1) soldiers were all falling off(to their deaths) an uncontested siege tower ramp as it met the wall.

2) ladders did not appear on the map.

fought the battle twice, once with 7 ladders and once with 2 towers and 3 ladders. The ladders never actually appeared. My army had one good general and 8 urban cohorts. This combo of bugs makes such an assault unplayable.

Rome Total War has encountered an unspecifyed error and will now exit .

After that the game refuses to load and gives said error .

I found the fix : reboot .

I want to post that in a thread on the issue at the .com but that dang monkey forum doesn't seem to want to work for me when I post so if someone would pass it on that would be nice .

Curse Bill Gates , and all Halflings !