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For the map: I have this great book called the world history atlas. It has a number of pages on the Byantine Empire that include province outlines and capitals. I would be happy to scan them up for you guys. :book:
I am interested in this mod a lot, I havn't really modded much, I once changed all the factions including the pope in early to be jewish but that is it but I would be happy to help somehow. Maybe with the map or event illustrations or something.
Thanks for the offer NodachiSam.
Upload the map so we can see it,please.
As for the map I made, I don't know if it can be posted. It is a .bmp and has 11MB!!!! And before I complete the map and the script, I need the LMM documentation. Anyone has it?!
Okay I've put essentially all my hours of free time today into this!!!
First off I want to say I scanned these maps from the "Atlas of World History" Compiled and presumably edited by John Haywood, Ph.D. Honarary Teaching Fellow, Lancaster University. UK and Brian Catchpol, M.A. - Simon Hall, M.A. - and Edward Barratt, M.A. The book was published in 2001 by Barnes and Noble Books.
I highly reccomend this fantastic book and it hasn't been scanned for anyone's personal fiscal benefit. As well the scanned maps will not be incorporated into our final product but will be used for research purposes. Please don't sue me for copyright infringment. ~;)
With out of the way I want to say that it took a long time to find a proper ratio of information to memory size and the computer I used could fit nicely in a meseum somewhere.
Each of the maps show events over a long period of time but I labeled them after the date of shown Byzantinian territory. It does not mean the borderlines and events described happened in one year. I've painted a lot of less important, though pretty, areas white to save on memory space.
There is one more map I am willing to scan near the year 1480 where the ottomans have taken over most of Byzantium and the kingdom of Morea and Constantinople remain free, but only if you ask nicely ~D
I hope these will be useful for our purposes and I want to reccomend this book again. ~:cheers:
Year 888 CE
https://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b...0Mod/888AD.jpg
Year 1095 CE
https://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b...ptandIndex.jpg
https://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b.../1095North.jpg
Year 1175 CE
https://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b...Mod/1174AD.jpg
Years 628 CE to 1204 CE
https://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b...o1204index.jpg
https://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b...204western.jpg
https://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b...1204centre.jpg
https://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b...204eastern.jpg
Oops, I made a mistake on this one painting unimportant space white to save memory.
Year 1204 CE
https://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b.../1204index.jpg
https://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b...4NorthWest.jpg
https://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b...4SouthEast.jpg
Religion around year 1200
https://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b...ndreligion.jpg
https://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b...ndreligion.jpg
Holy crap!!!
Thanks very much!!!!! :eek:
Woooow....
You're very welcome ~:cheers: I hope you can incorporate this into info into the map. Maybe you could load up a smaller jpeg version of the map.
If anyone needs my help regarding historical research, i work in a bookstore and am a well read amateur historian. Im currently helping people with India history and am trying to start my own mod that involves the 1400-1700's so it is obvious i would like to get more involved in the TW community. Drop me a message if anyone in this mod is in need of extra help!
-Beauchamp
Thanks for the offer :)
To all of you guys who view this thread, I want to ask you if you agree that we should move this mod to RTW:BI.
So,
We have 4 options:
1.Only MTW
2. Both, but RTW:BI deserves more work
3. Both, but MTW deserves more work
4.Only RTW:BI
I'll let you choose. It's gonna be very important. To give your vote, check the poll in the Engineers Guild.
My suggestion is to finish the mod for mtw.
Then later, after the BI expansion has arrived, been play-tested, and gets the usual patch, then do a mod for rtw.
Cheers!
Well guys, a bit of update.
Me and King Henry V have decided that we will do the mod for both games, and they deserve equal work, just like Cegorach does with his PMTW mod.
For the moment, I am going to a school camp. King Henry will be the only one for updates, so contact him or me, but I won't reply only after a week. He'll do the work for now. MTW Campaign map.
Thanks.
Well have fun edyz ~:cheers: I´m glad the mod is advancing...
Thanks Radier. ~:cheers:
We chose to make the mod also for BI because we have many more options of modding. I just checked some things that different mod teams (Zhanguo Mod, Chivarly Total War....) done to their mods, so that's why we chose to do it for BI. For now, me and King Henry are studying RTW Modding, so we can start early.
In BI we have many options, for example, to add more than 2 layers of walls, including the option to put soldiers on! We can make different settlement plans, so the cities won't have the same plan. I can't imagine Constantinople looking like some grown city from Bulgaria or Niceea!
Eddy :book:
hi, fellow Byzantinists..Im here to assist with the mod. Invited by edyzmedieval, Im originally from the SCC forums, known there as tzentri. Im not sure what to exactly put here in terms of an 'introduction'.. but Im sure my posts about the Byzantine military and its way of thinking can provide some form of 'credentials'.. Anything else, just ask!
Thanks for the opportunity to be of help.
- tzentri
Nice,
Bysantium total war is a great topic for a game. I havent read most of your thread but keep up the progress. Cant wait till I can defend the holy Land from a more detailed scale.
I wont be able to help you with the technical part very much, since im starting a pretty busy schedule in the fall, but id be glad if i could share with you some of my ideas for TW in general.
i have two suggestions:
1)making a sophisticated and more dramatic use of agents: zealots, missionaries, agents that can convert troops based on piety and religion rather than money, trade caravans across land. (i already have ideas if you're interested)
2) make patriarchs such as muslim, orthodox, jewish, and heretic popes (monophysites and Nestorians) that would insight crusades and build religious agents and also encourage peace within a religious culture, or encourage rebelions in parts of historic conflict. (heretics and jews would compete with Catholic and orthodox)
I'm back guyz!!!
Now, since I'm back, it's also back to work. King Henry received his Osprey book about the Byzantine Armies, and he'll start the work on the units.
I'm gonna do the script for the map ( damn, it's so much to do, I hate it!) and help King Henry on the units.
Eddy :book:
Tzentri,
Please provide some pics with the units and info.
Thanks. :book: :bow:
do you want me to simply repost some of the pics from the other forum and info.. since most of the info there could be equally useful for this mod, ?
Yeah. Good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by kataphraktos
But if you can find more info, it's great.
Do you have any ideas for buildings, except for Theme Level 1,2,3,4 and Mercenary Recruitment Center?!
We need help.
Those who can help, please give us some info about the units of the Bulgars, Cumans, Armenians, Khazars....
Those who find, please post it here, or preferably at:
Byzantium Total War
Edyz
look some differents mods as BKB,VH,WES, and also and old one : Millenium, you will find some ideas fr your mod. At last on 8th mod even if it's not on your timeframe. (I say ideas,not copy and paste or ask before)
Don't remember his nick, but a native bulgarian member have made some info pics for bulgar units. Check old threads of the engineers guilds, you'd find one called "new units info pics" or something else. Maybe help you.
Anyway, good luck, don't fail, gonna sound rock!!
Thanks for the info.
We won't. Prepare for the BI mod.
SAd :embarassed: I am waiting it for VIQuote:
Originally Posted by edyzmedieval
Don't worry.
We'll work on the VI mod until BI appear. WHen BI appears, our main work will be directed to BI, but we won't forget about the VI mod either.
So the medieval mod is still going?, I *might* be able to help you guys with units...
Sorry guyz I didn't respond.
I was busy with the RTW mod which is going good.
As for the MTW mod, it's stagnating unfortunately. The lack of team members to distribute the work is hurting the development of the MTW mod.
I sent PM's everywhere, but it seems that nobody likes to join.
Those who know to mod, and are interested, send me a PM.
Thanks,
Edyzmedieval
Hello All,
As an ethnic Greek(1st generation) & I lived there as well, I can share what I know about happened during the Byzantine Empire and Turkish occupation.
As a matter of fact, my grand father & mother were born in 1910/1911 respectively and my grandfather told me about a turkish rep. who got 10% of what each family in my grandfathers hamlet made!
My relatives have names that go back to Byzantium, such as:
Theoharis, Argyros, Patoulias ~:)
1st name: Gift of God
2nd: Silver craftsman
3rd: Walker or floormaker (Greek: Peripatima-To walk, Patoma-Floor)
and so forth.
My services are at your disposal EDYZMEDIEVAL!
Va Zisi H Ellas! Va Zisi H Poli! Long Live Greece! Long Live Constantinople!
Poli- GK.slang for Byzantium from some time ago
That awsome, thanks for the offer.
I know Greece rebelled against the Ottoman empire through the 19th century. Do modern greeks associate with Byzantium as closely as they seem to associate with ancient pre-Rome greece? Did Greece ever try to take Constantinople when it was becomming independant?
Great work. I had a romanticized idea of the Eastern Roman Empire until I learned a little more about it and realized that the Turks won a well-deserved victory.
I have a question on battle maps:
1. Are you using topographical maps of common invasion routes?
It should be easy to find maps with current terrain features, elevation, etc of regions in the East. Are the battle maps going to be based on historical routes of invasion? All I can really add are suggestions as I haven't done much work making maps. Keep up the good work.
Hi All,
Yes, the modern day Greeks are closely tied in their thought and most especially in their religion to Byzantium. Greek Orthodoxy with the Patriarchs and in music and "in" the people themselves. All is appreciated.
I also believe that at one point Constantinople was either conquered or given to the greeks! I believe that was the 19th century, IF I'm not mistaken.
Needless to say, Greeks today appreciate the Ancients, Byzantine Greeks and Revolutionary (Anti-Turk) Heroes such as: Kolokotronis, Papaflessas, Bouboulina and Andreas Mavrokordatos to name a few.
Turkish occupation sucked for Christians. For the first 200 years something called Devshirme, the taken of christian children between the ages of 8-10 or 12 and making them convert to Islam & speak only turkish & become turkish essentially and then they became the "elite" unit of the Ottoman turkish forces called the Janissaries-Turkish: Yeniceri, who fought their own people, took place.
I think THAT stopped after the first 200 years or in 1650 something, but Janissary recruitment continued until 1800 when the turkish sultan turned his cannons on them, in their quarters in Turkey, effectively stopping them literally "dead."
The turks were cruel, ruthless and a cold people.
I personally do NOT still trust them.
They committed a genocide against the Armenian people in the 1930's or 40's. It was a forced march which became in effect a "death march."
Over a million Armenians died because of the Kemal regime. Not Good.
Any More Questions Kids? Enjoy! ZHTO H ELLAS- May Hellas Live!
Thanks for the info. I'll be sure to buy some nice big books focusing on Roman history and Byzantium (though I think it is kind of the same political tradition, though it evolved alot). Is greek still spoken much in Istanbul?
I know most if not all political large political units throughout history are mostly tyranical my modern standards (proclaimed standards anyhoo) but I must admit I have a romantic notion about Roman history.
Well it's sad to say but I would rather have been a Christian living in the Ottoman Empire than a Muslim living in (northern) Iberia. Now days we have professional sports to work out our rivalries with our neighbors and competitors. Weren't the majority of Janissaries recruited from impoverished formally Catholic controlled regions like Hungary? I think that's why they get a bonus if you make them in Bulgaria.
It sounds like it would be a good idea to program in a Portugal-like loyalty to certain Greek regions if they're conquered by the Turks.
Why don't you discuss on our forum please?!
http://s10.invisionfree.com/Imperium...p?showforum=40
As for the MTW mod, Count MRVHS is going to help us. He's gonna do very much work on the mod.
Anyone else willing to help us?!
ready to help, but what are you needing? Since the beginning of this thread really wonder how i may help you??
It's too bad 'cause I truly wanna see the release of this mod!
It's good that we still have support. ~:)
Ok, gonna send the maps to Count soon.
William, what can you do?!
Here is an announcement.
King Henry V is now the leader of Byzantium TW for MTW:VI.
He will direct the mod.
From now on, I will only help, "from the shadow".
Hail the new leader ~:cheers:
Good to see a new post but should a "Brit" be running the mod? I think a "local" would do much better.
Yeah, I'm more "local" than King Henry ~D
But, a small announcement. ~:)
The MTW mod will be done after we release the RTW BI mod. We've started on the RTW mod, we'll have to finish that, because we've done much progress on that. ~:)
Guys, a small update. Had some free time, and I made 5 units. Made with Ultimate Paint. ~:)
They can't be seen very well. They are basically units from the battlemap and unit cards.
Cuman Mercenary Cavalry
https://img451.imageshack.us/img451/...cavalry4ph.jpg
Hospitaller Foot Knights
https://img486.imageshack.us/img486/...knights5mf.jpg
Order Crossbowmen
https://img474.imageshack.us/img474/...sbowmen4ra.jpg
Templar Foot Knights
https://img473.imageshack.us/img473/...knights2dn.jpg
Teutonic Crossbowmen
https://img469.imageshack.us/img469/...sbowmen0ex.jpg
Hope you liked them. King Henry will resume the work when he comes back. ~:cheers:
Oh, and some more news.
Apart from the new units, I'll try to do some more work regarding the campaign map. Will try to post up a screenshot of the map soon. ~:cheers:
Those who want to join our small team, don't hesitate to give me a PM. ~:)
We are trying to develop the MTW mod also. ~:cheers:
Hi
This is great idea. I made some units long time ago and i will try to find it on my comp. Look here: The horce archer is actualy Bulgarian Horse Archer.
http://members.aol.com/bogdanovaslava/Aaa.html
Hello Taxi.
Wanna join our team and help us on the units?! ~:cheers:
Good units. ~:cheers:
Wanna join our team?! ~:)
Will you guys be addressing the biggest enemy of the Byzantines? Themselves? The constant imperial manuevering within the various factions and small civil wars wore down the untiy of this once great empire. I think if MTW would have put some focus on this issue, it wouldn't be so easy to conquer the world as the Byzantines. Religious problems like the Iconoclastic episode seriously sapped the power of the Empire. Treason and treachery of the type that led to the disaster of Manzikert really need to be included.
Thoughts?
Well, we might do the Byzantine Rebels faction. And we might do the religion problem.
Anyways, we have those 2 implemented into our RTW BI version. ~:cheers:
edyzmedieval
I just want to tell you, that I like idea of this mod. Idea of Grand Mod is good, but don't split your energy. I'd suggest to continue with this mod, and then continue with Grand mod. I hope that Czechs will be in Grand mod, too.
Good luck.
Man, Byzantium for MTW is in hibernation mode....
I am doing the RTW BI mod right now. A MTW mod might go after....
EDIT nevermind...
Why?! Why nevermind?!
sounds good :)
The mod is inactive for the moment....
How much of it have you already done? What kind of stuff do you still need to do?
Not too much...Basically nothing. ~D
Wanna take it over?! You can do it, but I am still the overall leader.
You are the executive leader.
That would be an quite a task and I'm honoured you offer it to me but I don't think I have the time and I don't have the know-how beyond map making and playing with the startpos files. Maybe in the summer though.
Sure man.
hi may i ask is this mod reddy for downloading and are there somme screenshots of this mod :2thumbsup:
It's basically dead.
Nobody has worked on this for months...
If anybody wants to take it over, just announce me.
damn its to bad i dont now how to mod mate
What, is the BI version dead as well?
Yeah, dead as well.
Well...it seems it is dead...but if you are still interested to make a mod under this subject -with MTW,RTW or M2TW- i can help... PM me if if you are interested.