i think on this point he'd rather be a fish or sumthing. or hey, i think he wishes he'd never been born.
and animals do have feelings, we just dont know of em.
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i think on this point he'd rather be a fish or sumthing. or hey, i think he wishes he'd never been born.
and animals do have feelings, we just dont know of em.
If she believed in God, she shouldn't consider suicide. It is a sin to take a human life, including your own.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobTheTerrible
Lets not keep spirits down. Keep em up!
Ai ai ai...i'm on the brink right now. I've been walking about all day chewing my nails considering whether or not i should do it, and just take all the pills. After all, who really would miss me? I asked my girlfriend this question, and apart from herself, she couldn't think of anyone who probably would miss me. I thought about it myself, and i can't think of anyone who would miss me if i was dead. And i just don't see a point to going on living. It just feels so...pointless. Same thing, day in, day out....i feel incredibly insignificant in this big wide world...
Just kill me...
No one is insignificant if they make one person smile, or make one person's life better. And people will miss you.
In all honsety, you should talk to your doctor, or someone. Trust me, medication can really help. Most of my family had depression, and most of them drank themselves to death before they knew what it was. But because of modern medicine, my mom and I can go about living like normal people.
It really is Bull what your GF said , in all due respect...
here's why;
What about your friends , mother , father , uncle etc.
they will certainly miss you`, and what of your GF herself, she will probably miss you the most if she feels the way about you that you think she does.
And you must know that every one of the .org will miss you.
And it's really not that weird that you feel insignificant in the world, what do you expect , you're just a kidd . hell I haven't done anything in my life YET worthy of any recognition.
Who knows what the future my bring, maybe you haven't done anything very special YET , but what will happen tomorrow - again ; who knows.
That alone is a great, maybe the best reason to keep living.
looking forward seeing you around ~:)
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MC we all wonder where our lives are going at some point. I'm sure there are many people that care about you. Is there no one you can talk to? I think you should calm down and approach tomorrow as a fresh day. Take things one day at a time, and you'll realise things probably aren't as bad as they seem. There must be something that you enjoy? I don't know you, and won't try to act all self-righteous by pretending to have been in the same situation and knowing everything about it. What about your family and friends? You're only young. I guarentee if you can pull yourself out of this one in a few years time you'll look back on it and realise how pointless all this suicidal talk seemed.
MC,
Suiciding isn't a solution..... BTW, it could also add it up to your sins....
I think, a good idea is what BP said and also to get a hobby...It helps...
Why do i get depresed? Because i worry about everything. I mean everything. From what if I get some fatal desies and what if I cant grow up and marry a beutifal girl because one day no one will love me to what might hapen tomorow it could be really bad. Well when im depresed i talk to people. I often find it easier to talk to someone I dont know. It reasures you above anything else. Also we had a drugs confrence today at school. Don't take an overdose. It's the worst way to die. Imagine how shocked your family and freinds would bee. I could not comite suicide through the fact of that. I also agree with what Dutch guy said.
Now look buddy, you've come here to vent and we are happy you did. But you now have a responsibility to us. You've opened up to us and taken us into your (virtual) confidence. We now have a vested interest in your well being. You ask who would miss you - we would.
Now if a bunch of guys on the Net have taken such an impact at your statements, just imagine what the real world feels. You might not see it but at least have the guts to admit that there are a great many people, at many different levels of your life, who would miss you very much. And no one, and I do mean no one wants to find you covered in puke after barfing up a bottle of pills so you might want to reconsider that.
You have no choice here. You have to seek out help. You are asking us questions and we are telling you the answer. It is clear that suicide is not your first choice. That's a great start. That hint of doubt you have is your lifeline to a better world. If you have to, walk into a hospital emergency room and tell them you're on the brink. Go to a church. Go to a police station. Anything. Fight like you're on the front lines and you need to do anything you can to win. Have the courage to fight the fight before you give up. There's always tomorrow for end-of-the-world plans, but today is the boot in your ass and you have to deal with it. I don't doubt for a second that there's still fight left in you, I see it in your posts.
You owe it to us, those you have affected with your posts, to at least try to try to fix things, or have the decency to stop posting. Don't threaten us with your demise. Ask for our help, our patience and understanding, but not our fear. We all have enough of that in our own lives thank you. You want a club to join, here it is. You want people to listen and respond, here we are, but don't use us as guilt sponges. For my part, I work way too hard and have far too many problems of my own to take you on as a lost puppy. But if you'll stand up straight and play ball, I'll will offer everything I have to help you help yourself. I'm sure others here feel the same way.
It ain't easy. I know. So do many others here. Many of us bear deep scars of one kind or another. But we're the proof that things get better. Change is inevitable. You haven't always felt as low as you do now so it's not reasonable to think you'll always feel this way in the future.
Now, the next time you post here we want to hear something positive. Anything. Tell us you saw a great looking woman. Tell us the weather is nice. Tell us the pizza you just ate made you fart in an elevator full of cops. Anything at all.
That's the cost of admission - one good thing. Watcha got my brother?
Mikeus Caesar,
Sorry for responding so late. I have read this thread over and over but never felt 'wise' enough to be of help. Now you feel so bad you're about to really make an end to your life I just need to say some things.
I have two advices for you. One about the things you can and should do right now and one about proffesional help.
*****
I want you to read this thread carefully again. Read all the advice and notice how many people are going to miss you here. Also read your own posts. Remember first you wanted to get out of the mess, and now you're only talking about you sad plans. Keep up the hope! You'll get out of this soon and will have a great life ahead of you! Remember you're 14! Then shut off the computer! Shut it off and go outside. Only read this thread from time to time. No T.V., no games, just be outside! It's ok if you listen to some music, but take only happy music. Happy music or no music! Then also talk to your parents! Think of how much pain they will suffer when your gone. They love you and would mentally collapse if you died! They cannot live without you and that is the same with your girlfriend. She loves you and deep down you and her want to have a happy life much rather then no life. Remember that carefully, and think of it when you have those pills in your hands. Throw them away! They won't give you what you want, they will only make sure you will never get what you want. The happy life will come, you're only in a period that life sucks. I haven't had it as bad as you but others have and they are now happy and still alive. Just count them and surprise yourself! How many got what they wanted while they were about to end their lives. Meanwhile, don't do anything you don't want. Let people know you don't feel good at the moment and the ones that love you will instantly be worried about you. Talk to them and follow their advice. Also throw away those blades! They are of no use but to physically hurt you when you feel mentally hurt, while you should keep those two things apart.
*****
I know you have difficulties with going to a shrink, but you should really do so. You must figure out what exactly is making you feel so miserable and make an end to that. Take action! Make an appointment right after you see this and talk to the professional. He will have had many others with bad feelings and can help you get yourself up again. Drugs can help you, but in the end you should feel fine also without them, so don't only do that. As I said, find out what makes you so sad and get rid of it. Pass the good advices in this thread on to your girlfriend and talk about the fact that you two want to have a happy life and that you two should work for it.
*****
Though I never personally spoke to you I have always admired your posts. You add to the humour on this forum. ~:cheers: I would definitely miss you! Many other would too. Don't leave us!
Well I am not going to read through all the garbage about depression that I have seen written by some of the more immature patrons of the .ORG.
My only advice is that if you are suffering from severe depression absolutely do not listen to any advice you get on the internet, unless that advice is to seek a mental health professional
Now for those who think depression is a made up disease - get real - depression comes from multiple sources - a lot is just situational or environmental depression - a simple change can often help one recover from this depression.
Then there is clinicial depression - which comes from some type of imbalance in the brian - once again if you believe you suffer from this type of depression seek professional help - and don't listen to idiots who have no knowledge on which they speak.
Then there is Bi-polar depression sometimes refered to as Manic - another condition to seek professional help immediately.
I my wife is bi-polar and if you want more information about depression - PM me - but once again I caution you against listen or reading advice from individuals who think the condition is a joke - or non-existant. I thought that way once and it almost cost my wife her life.
MC
Do me a favor please - go see a mental health professional - they can help you work through some of those emotions and confusion about things. Every life and every minute of that life is precious. Do not listen to those who berate or degrade you, do not listen to those who place no value upon themselves or yourself. Check yourself into the hospital and ask for help - verus just asking for it on the internet.Quote:
Ai ai ai...i'm on the brink right now. I've been walking about all day chewing my nails considering whether or not i should do it, and just take all the pills. After all, who really would miss me? I asked my girlfriend this question, and apart from herself, she couldn't think of anyone who probably would miss me. I thought about it myself, and i can't think of anyone who would miss me if i was dead. And i just don't see a point to going on living. It just feels so...pointless. Same thing, day in, day out....i feel incredibly insignificant in this big wide world...
Just kill me...
I can just repeat what I said in my first post: go and get some help ASAP!
And I see you being eaten up by depression that can be helped if you seek professional help. You are not alone as lots of people have experienced the same horrible feelings and you can get help.Quote:
And i just don't see a point to going on living. It just feels so...pointless. Same thing, day in, day out....i feel incredibly insignificant in this big wide world...
Depression is like a monster hidden in the shadows draining all your willpower and you dont even notice its there. But you can kill that monster if you seek help.
CBR
We would, the friends you spoke of, family members, clan mates, they would miss you. And think of those that you love. Do you wish to be so completely separated from them? And you can make a difference. May I suggest that you go volunteer at a local hospital, soup kitchen, or nursing home. Then you will know that you are making a difference however small. And please get professional help. They will be able to help you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeus Caesar
I was once like you—chronically depressed (although never suicidal, I tended to break down into tears at the slightest provocation, and generally be miserable). Anti-depressants have changed my life. It took time and money, but they worked. And as someone intimately familiar with the effects of psychoactive substances—someone whose entire immediate family save his sister and much of whose extended family is on medication for depression and related disorders—let me tell you that from your description, there is practically no drug out there that will mess up your life any more than it's messed up now. And if you do find one, you can quite simply drop it—I know, I've dropped probably two dozen-plus medications due to inadequate effect or unwanted side effects.
In the end, it's your choice. I know that from your point of you, there doesn't seem to be much point. But however few, there will be those who will miss you. Just remember that life is not without options: if you don't end it, you can make it better. Psychiatrists will only ever help you (except monetarily, of course ~;)).
-Simetrical
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Originally Posted by Redleg
Yes, i agree with Redleg. :bow: Do NOT put too much faith in advice from the internet. Talk to a professional.
Does that include this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
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OK, I see a few immature posts in this thread (not to mention any names, there has been talked enough about it already). But please don't critisize all the posts as garbage. MC has told here that he does not want to go to a professional - which we must convince him to do - and therefor asked for advice here. He is quite desperate and if he really does not want to go to a professional he still needs help, and why not get some advice here at the internet?
IMO there's quite some good advice in this thread, MC. Read it carefully and follow whatever you think will work for you. Especially going to a professional, just everyone will admit that's the best thing to do.
Take care, MC. I want to see you again.
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Originally Posted by drisos
Once again did I say all posts - or just the garbage posted by some immature posters. Yep someone needs to check what is written a little more closely.
But instead of settling it by PM after you sent your first message - it seems you have taken a generalized immature route yourself. Good show.
Its been my experience of the most recent past - that mental health and severe depression is never anything to take lightly.
The soundest advice is going to a mental health professional. Having spent three days watching my wife in intensive care with a machine helping her breath because of her suicide attempt wakes you up to the knowledge that no layman is truely qualified to help those that are severely depressed. Its hard for us who do not have the condition to fathom what you are thinking or why. Sound professional counseling can help you sort through the irrational thoughts and the rational thoughts. Sound Mental health doctors can prescribe medications to help control the chemical imbalances that can cause severe depression. However for adequate treatment it takes both the counselor and the doctor to treat the condition.Quote:
IMO there's quite some good advice in this thread, MC. Read it carefully and follow whatever you think will work for you. Especially going to a professional, just everyone will admit that's the best thing to do.
Take care, MC. I want to see you again.
That I missed the warning signs of her on set of manic depression is my fault especially when I knew she was bi-polar. Part of the treatment was the whole family getting involved in the recovery process and learning how to recognize the symptoms of the condition and the onset of the manic phase of her bi-polar.
The best course of action is to seek professional help - not take some well meaning advice from individuals on the internet on how to treat yourself for depression, because along with the decent advice you subject yourself to the rantings and stupidity of immature individuals.
I'd just like to second what Redleg said. The only real way to combat depression is through talking with proffesional help. It might not seem like it, but they do help, a hell of a lot, and they know what they're talking about.
Without proffesional help, depression almost always in my experience comes back, no matter how you try and fight it. But with a pyschatrist and any medication they might prescribe you, it can help stop depression and allow you to live a full, happy life.
Ok Redleg. I respect your veiws but please dont call people immature for giving some one there advise and veiws. It's a bit harsh. Thats all.
Tibilicus
I was harsh because that is exactly what the views expressed by those individuals warranted - such immature statement stated to someone who is in deep depression are not only crude but can be harmful to someone in a deep depressed state. What an individual suffering from depression needs is support not ridicule (SP).Quote:
Originally Posted by tibilicus
Ok got you Redleg.~:)
By "some of the more immature patrons of the .ORG." You mean me plus BP and afew others, right? :embarassed:
Well lets see - you statedQuote:
Originally Posted by mongoose
Talking to a professional or your parents is the best course of action, IMHO
Does that sound like a rant or stupidity directed at an individual who is suffering from depression - or is it a statement of intended well being from an individual who at least can ackownledge that the condition exists and the best course is to seek help.
Let your actions speak for themself. (I don't base maturity or immaturity on age - but behavior.)
Well, i edited my post. Before it was Something along the lines of "Try getting more exercise, that might help"
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Originally Posted by Redleg
I think that in the second quote you clearly talked about all advice, and so all posts. (except the posts containing the advice to see a prof. But I still think there are other posts with good advice too, and you also critisize those.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
Thanks for the insult.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
In my PM I asked you to edit this out:
But you didn't. But I still think MC should not follow this advice of you. So I wanted him to see not everyone agrees with that and that's why I posted here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
Do I take things lightly? ~:confused: I don't understand. Was this meant to me? ~:confused: I am highly shocked by what MC has said here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
I think we should leave this thread to constructive comments, rather than get side-tracked into arguing with each other. If MC comes back to this thread, finding it has spun off into antagonistic back and forth is not going to do much to raise his spirits. If people want to continue argue about it, I suggest they take it to PMs or take any complaints to the relevant mod (BKS).
Aint that the truth!
I'm afraid BKS isn't around for a day or two so all you have is me for the moment.
Let us then end all bickering and concentrate on letting MC know that he's part of the team here and we all are interested in his well being. Advice may vary, but I think we all agree that we want MC not to feel alone and to know he can talk this situation out with someone.
I do agree. But that's about what I was telling Redleg. I think his first post here contained something that MC rather should not see. I PM'ed him but he didn't agree and is not going to edit his post. That's why I wanted to post here, to let MC know not all people think about it here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beirut
However, MC would've noticed that after my first post so the second one was not necessary. I do apologize for getting off topic. If I have anything further to say to Redleg I'll do via PM, as MC now knows my opinion.
I'd like Redleg to read my last post here, but if you insist I'll edit it.
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has sumone seen him online?
Yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Emperor Umeu 1
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=50374