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What about the knuckleheads who spike trees with long nails in their effort to keep lumberjacks from cutting down trees. Are they conducting peaceful protest - or are they committing an act of violence. If they leave a sign saying they spiked the trees - does it remove them from any fault of injury or death to the timber workers or saw mill workers that could be harmed by the spike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beirut
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They oughta chain the tree huggers to a tree and leave them because of those spikes :furious3:
Public pressure does not extend to criminal activity.Quote:
The problem is that the corporations line the pockets of government so that the authorities turn a blind eye. It is through public pressure that change occurs. That public pressure is spawned by movements like Greenpeace who make the people aware of corporate transgressions and force the government to make changes.
It is perfectly acceptable behavior to protect yourself. Who is Greenpeace protecting by trying to destroy companies?Quote:
If you feel one person has the right to act outside the norms of civilized behaviour to protect himself, why cannot a group of people act outside the norms of civilized behaviour to protect themselves?
Every year the life expectancy goes up and up, and more cures for diseases are found by big medical corporations. Maybe things are different in Canada.. ~:eek:Quote:
They do. They also have millions and millions and millions for lawyers to tie up the courts for years to avoid making changes. Meanwhile, people continue to get sick and die and the company goes on making it's profits over their dead bodies.
Im not going to respond to a fixed question.Quote:
I am still curious why you are so hot tempered about Greenpeace and their heinous acts of trespassing, but yet you remain calm, cool, and diplomatic when speaking of companies that dump thousands of tons of poisonous waste into the water supply.
I believe Greenpeace harrassing people who try to buy my favorite vehicle at the dealership translates into lost profits and puts the whole marque in jeapardy. Land Rover doesnt dump anything, anywhere. People simply dont have the right to disregard the law and attempt to destroy a company or a person they disagree with.Quote:
Do you really believe that Greepeace climbing a smokestack and hanging a banner is a more horrible act than a company dumping dioxin sludge into rivers and lakes?
is greenpeace involved with the ELF?Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
Without a doubt I would be inclined to thrash the weenie who spiked my tree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
On the other hand, I am green enough to know what should and what should not be cut. Though it may sound like BS, there are trees I would simply refuse to cut based on my environmental views. I've refused to cut trees before and I'm sure I will again. The point is, at what point is the worker responsible for his actions? A paycheck does not wipe the slate clean if the worker has done something he knows to be wrong.
In general though, spiking trees is a bad idea because it is a hidden danger, akin to a land mine. Having your chain slip off the bar and remain there is no big deal. Happens all the time. But metal inside a tree can snap the chain and cause it to whiplash or come right off the bar. That's a bad thing with a chain turning at 12,000+ RPMs. If you're going to spike a tree you damn well better leave a few inches of spike on the outside so people know it's there.
There has been allegations of such a link - but since ELF is not a group but a loose band of cell the allegations can not be confirmed. Greenpeace denies any involvement with ELF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_John
can spiking kill a tree? that would be ironic..
Ok Greenies.
I don't like Microsoft, ok? Would that make it right if I broke into their faciilties and destroyed countless hours of research? No.
Same logic with Greenpeace.
These morons and criminals should be lined up and, one by one, have a 9 inch iron nail hammered into their backs. Not deadly, not nessissarily deadly anyway, but that will remind them who they are dealing with.
If we did that, I'm willing to bet the raids would stop at that moment.
Could you please refrain from giving us details on your wet dreams how you would treat people who you do not like in every other thread you post in?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia
Thanks :bow:
Ser Clegane
How about every third?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
Oh and a few things wrong with that post...
1. Can't you take a little satire? Too much to handle for ya? ~:cool:
2. No wetness to the dreams about it, I'm not a sadist, sorry ~:)
3. It's every fourth thread, dude, not every other ~:cheers:
I tend to get impatient when the spectrum of satire is too narrow - spare us the repitition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia
Microsoft doesn't torture animals, Kaiser.
They torture people though. You have no idea how many bottles of perscription strenth painkillers i've been through oin their account!
:furious3: Animal rights activist are just morons not that their message isn't good (though they are waaaaaaay over board to the point they value animals more then us) but the way they get it across is pathetic all they do is Pi$$ people off by laying in the middle of high ways. Chaining them selves to what ever they can find and generally just causing annoyance. And their stupid hunger strikes.
I think a copper spike would. Could be brass but I'm pretty sure it's copper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_John
I still don't understand why some people who decry, with great passion and even violence, those who protest on behalf of a better environment or the rights of animals, have expressed no real emotion at all about those who spread disease and sickness amongst entire populations merely to benefit their profit margin, nor those who torture dogs and monkeys in horrendous and despicable ways.
Some people here are outraged that others "put animal life ahead of human life". What about putting the rights of a sewage pipe above those of your kids?
I think the only metals that wont kill the tree is steel and iron spikes. I think the rest seep into the wood and kills the tissue - but I am not postive eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by Beirut
Because they confuse corporate profit and human interests over that of the environment?Quote:
I still don't understand why some people who decry, with great passion and even violence, those who protest on behalf of a better environment or the rights of animals, have expressed no real emotion at all about those who spread disease and sickness amongst entire populations merely to benefit their profit margin, nor those who torture dogs and monkeys in horrendous and despicable ways.
I don't like PETA because of their desire to prevent me from hunting and fishing if they can get their way. When groups like the ASPCA comes my way - I normally donate money and time to that organization - I often find my dogs thru them also. The organizations do some good - however some of the far looney fringe of the groups go do far - as evident in the attempt by PETA to change the name of a town.
I say bash the sewage pipes - and fine the "crap" out of any corporation or industry that disregrads establish laws and safeguards met to protect the environment for the all might buck. However that doesn't mean I will ever support the Kyoto Agreement which will set false condtions and standards in order to reduce emmissions from some countries but gives a pass on others.Quote:
Some people here are outraged that others "put animal life ahead of human life". What about putting the rights of a sewage pipe above those of your kids?
The current regulations on the environment for the United States need to be enforced before we enter into any world wide agreement.
You're right about that. Most metals will poison a tree to some degree. But I think copper is rather faster at it than others. When cabling a tree, we always use stainless steel screws. Cabling is attaching one section of a tree to another with a steel cable so that the stronger section supports the weaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg