A Request

^Speaking of people making the forum a more vitriolic place.. ~:handball:

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Originally Posted by Slyspy

This can be clearly seen in this very thread - just look at DevDave's post as a prime example.

If I wasn't an insomniac I wouldn't even bother......

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Try some warm milk, it always does the trick for me... ~:cheers:

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

Try some warm milk, it always does the trick for me... ~:cheers:

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Dave, I think you are old enough to get off the milk...... ~D

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Originally Posted by bmolsson

Dave, I think you are old enough to get off the milk...... ~D

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I like it straight from the tap though!!! ~D

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

I like it straight from the tap though!!! ~D

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Hehehe... Great comeback.... :bow:

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Originally Posted by Slyspy

I quite agree with the gist of the thread, though clearly the original post was typed in some agitation.

The atmosphere here in the Backroom is not one of healthy debate but of poison. Threads are often deliberately imflammatory and too quickly dissolve into off-topic rants, name-calling and pettiness. Hardly ever does someone say "yes mate, on second thoughts you have a point" so how effective are the arguments on display?

Even when there are attempts at apologies, retractions and reconciliation they are shot down in flames. Often accompanied by a sense of smugness and the scoring of cheap and irrelevant political or personal points. This can be clearly seen in this very thread - just look at DevDave's post as a prime example.

If I wasn't an insomniac I wouldn't even bother......

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yep, correct on all your points.

Well said Sly

ichi :bow:

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Originally Posted by Slyspy

If I wasn't an insomniac I wouldn't even bother......

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Marvelous! Added to my TW .Org greatest quotes collection. ~;)

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Originally Posted by voigtkampf

After reading literally hundreds and hundreds of threads that were designed specifically to provoke/bash/piss off the conservatives in my time as the Backroom moderator, I have never uttered one word to the left wing to stop with it; this is hilarious.

Like beating the guy half-dead and filing in a lawsuit against him because you’ve hurt your fist while breaking his teeth. :thinking:

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I'm not sure what your local attornies are like, but I could give you a few numbers of folks locally who would take up your cause and file suit on your behalf -- though they would likely include your emergency room physician and local police in the suit in order to get some "deeper pockets." ~:)

SF

Know what bothers me about this entire exchange here? It is a micrcocosm of everything that is wrong at the Org. Self-righteous people are treating other self-righteous people without any degree of civility. Rather than disagreement with an idea, the people behind the ideas are being attacked. This isn't acceptable. That all of you people have for so long been given such free reign in your treatment of others in no way validates your disrespectful conduct towards others.

I care nothing for claims of hypocracy. To the extent to which both sides resemble squawling toddlers pointing fingers at one another over who started it, I do not care. I am unmoved by all talk of African-American pots and kettles (though I might have a few suggestions about where to place these). The only thing that matters here is that every poster here has a choice in how they treat their peers. THat choice is still there regardless of how much abuse you have been subjected to, how correct you feel yourself to be, or how much of an idiot anyone else is. For the sake of being able to call oneself the better person, I should think that we all could stand to exercise some restraint in posting.

P.S: One might ask by what right do I post any sort of directive. Recently I saw a call go out for creating a more civil atmosphere at the Org. That call included a mandate to confront disrespectful behavior politely but firmly. This places upon my shoulders a shared responsibilty for the overall tone of debate in this forum and on this site. What before was implied can now be considered to be explicit. Any moderator who points out rules violations should be treated with respect and not as an interloper regardless of jurisdiction. If someone exceeds their mandate, believe me when I say that you'll know about it.

P.S.S: If I were to state a personal opinion on the subject matter, I would say that Sasaki appears to just be frustrated. Couldn't the same be applied to us at some time or another? Cut him some slack. (Credit to Gawain for mostly making this same point earlier. While I'm crediting Gawain, I'll give some out for mostly being constructive in this thread.)

Since I couldn't have said it any better, I'll just say that I stand with DoL . It is possible to challenge ideas without attacking the proponents of those ideas personally.

ichi :bow:

I'm standing right next to you ichi - well said DoL. :bow:

Play the ball not the person.