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Lobstahs, A2. Lobstahs. And if they're worth a damn, remember to describe them as 'wicked awesome.'Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
The bookstores alone should probably keep you busy with whatever freetime you have in Boston. Hope you enjoy your trip.
I know, I'm retahded. ~;) I guess lobstis would be more Noo Joyzee?Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
Well, my host is the myopic glasses type so he is bound to know most of those stores. Maybe I can finally land some of those C.S. Lewis books there.Quote:
The bookstores alone should probably keep you busy with whatever freetime you have in Boston.
:book:
The Democratic party has weighed in on this issue...
http://weeklydiatribe.com/?p=138#more-138
~:joker:
Why, yes they did in fact, which you'd know if you had read this thread. The 9/11 bombers said they had a bomb to take over the plane.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG
What would be mad would be doing nothing when a man on a plane says he has a bomb. What the heck are you supposed to do? Try and talk him out of it? What would you tell the families of the people who died while the Marshal was talking with him?
You are the one with the lunatic ideas. If you just wound a suicide bomber, you don't stop him from detonating his bomb, so he sets it off and kills people. Any force under instant incapacitation is useless. There are NO OTHER MEANS OR ACTIONS. Furthermore, Air Marshals use a unique .357 caliber Sig pistol designed to be very lethal but not overpenetrate.Quote:
Secondly I will never accept on any grounds that shooting to kill is any policy accept lunacy. There are others means and actions that could be undertaken, it is merely the think first find out later approach and always prone - and normally found out to be so - to huge risks in terms of innocents dieing and situations escilating. Especially on a plane - it is madness.
And situations 'escilating'?!?!? HOW ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH CAN A SITUATION ESCALATE BEYOND "I'VE GOT A BOMB"?!
Goodness, you are silly. It's like the importance of touchy-feely, warm and fuzzy liberalism has so infected you that you want Air Marshals to avoid escalating a situation where a man is about to kill dozens so, I suppose, they can discuss their differences through negotiation. It's a total failure to realize that the situation cannot be escalated further.
And JAG, which would you rather have, a tiny bullet hole in the side of a plane, which wouldn't cause depressurization, or a huge explosion on the plane?
Wow, how right you are! A terrorist team would never lie to Air Marshals so one could get in good position to blow himself up!Quote:
There are so many other reasons for it being madness to shoot him, not even mentioning the fact that his wife told them he was mentally ill. America is clearly an unsafe to be at the moment and I am quite glad I do not live over there, at least over here whe nwe have a shoot to kill incident and an innocent dies we demand justice for the innocent, over there it seems you applaud the great killing and hope for more blood, Disgusting.
Nor is anyone applauding the killing, which was a heck of a lot more justified than the English incident, but we realize that it was necessary.
The only blood I hope for is that of terrorists.
In summary, you seem to be completely ignoring the fact that this man claimed to have a bomb, along with how much damage a bomb could do.
Spot on mate.Quote:
And this weeks sanctimonious BS will be brought to you, as usual, by the Jagster.
Crazed Rabbi
I have to admit that - being currently in the US - that incident made me somewhat jittery.
When I first heard about it, my reaction was along the lines of "great ... trigger-happy air marshals". After I heard more details I had to change that opinion. I would agree with most people here that the reaction of the air marshals was appropriate.
Tragic and sad, but I do not really see any alternatives to the decision these guys had to make within a second.
I guess I will refrain from making any dumb bomb jokes when I enter the plane back home tonight, though...
Actually the "bomb joke" will always get you in trouble, even before 911. More so now...:bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
Providing you don't look like a muslim you should be alright....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
My point exactly - he wasn't. They did escilatethe situation, they were in the wrong.Quote:
Goodness, you are silly. It's like the importance of touchy-feely, warm and fuzzy liberalism has so infected you that you want Air Marshals to avoid escalating a situation where a man is about to kill dozens
So, once a bomber has detonated his bomb would they be justified in shooting then? ~:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG
No, maybe they should find a real bomber first, was kind of the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
Must be nice knowing everything beforehand.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG
Grow up.
Yes mum.
You didn't even quote the most relevant part, not to mention ignoring the rest of my points (Not that I blame you, you hardly had a whisp of a shadow of a ghost of anything resembling a somewhat-semi valid deranged rant as it was).Quote:
My point exactly - he wasn't. They did escilatethe situation, they were in the wrong.
I'll post it again, so you can fully comprehend it:
The especially relevant part was highlighted to aid you, and you seemed to miss it before.Quote:
Goodness, you are silly. It's like the importance of touchy-feely, warm and fuzzy liberalism has so infected you that you want Air Marshals to avoid escalating a situation where a man is about to kill dozens so, I suppose, they can discuss their differences through negotiation. It's a total failure to realize that the situation cannot be escalated further.
Not to mention that you are acting as though the Marshal shared with you the benefit of hindsight.
Crazed Rabbit
Witnesses now claim they never heard the word 'bomb' during the incident. Seems like a total cock-up to me. Some people will need to get fired, others will need some speedy re-training before AdrianII can be flown in undisturbed by hysterical fans, money-grubbing agents and sky cowboys.
Some witnesses claim that at least. Some of them seem to have an axe to grind as well, imo- based on their quotes. Now, if they can't find any witnesses who heard 'bomb' mentioned there could be a problem, but you cant draw conclusions like that just because a few who came forward and said they didnt hear anything to the media...Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
Somehow all this seems familiar - oh yes this is exactly what happened when we had our 'incident'. Never trust the police statements on these matters, they are always designed to misguide. Unfortunately this is what we will always get with these crazy shoot to kill policies, hot headed cops usign their firearms first and their brain later.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
Once again, with the total ignoring of the criticisms ripping your paltry argument to shreds.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG
Crazed Rabbit
Witnesses claiming not to have heard the word 'bomb' uttered by the man in question could conceivably do some damage to the other side of the argument, though exactly what happened is probably going to become very unclear very quickly as varying stories pop up. We'll see.
I think Xiahou laid this one to rest before it hatched. Until we can only find a suspiciously small amount (like four or five) that claim to have heard the word 'bomb,' it makes no sense.
Why would anyone assume that every single person on the plane heard the man and the agent's dialogue?
Agreed. That's why I'm waiting for more information to turn up. But considering the initial British lies when Menezes was shot, I'm none too optimistic US officials won't follow a similar approach. However, that's pure speculation until something concrete turns up.
I'm sure there'll be more on this over the next week.
I can understand the scepticism with regard to the police, especially after the fiasco in London, but we need to remember to be sceptical with the information coming out as well.
For every government agent trying to cover something up, there's about five JAGs working in the media that will try to politicize something like this to lime light their argument.
That's truth however did you see the news?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
If this is a discussion then one could come up with a different point of view, either than agreeing with all the other people said. I still think that lethal force was unnecesary, and it appears that the marshalls were not aware of his condition, a failure if you ask me.Quote:
It's easy for you to sit there with the benefit of hindsight, knowing the man was harmless, and argue that the Marshal should have acted with less than lethal methods. However, none of what you suggest would have stopped a bomber-and the bomb would have gone off, killing many.
Ego? HA! Where? Did you comprehend my statement at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ja'chyra
Yes, yes, I already know that questionable military like procedure thank you.Quote:
The only decision to be made was whether to shoot or not, once the decision had been made to shoot then the guy was already dead.
IShut up! I was only making questions right? I questioned Redleg and he answered. So before going wacko try to read my statements. I'm pretty sure that if anybody shoots me in my arm I couldn't move it, but go on present some medical evidence that sais otherwise.:coffeenews:Quote:
suppose they could have shot all his fingers off so he couldn't pull a trigger, then shot him in the leg so he couldn't run away or failing that you could live in the real world or find out something about the subject before preaching.
What the hell is that supposed to mean? "Hey did you hear the B-Word?" What? Is the police also worried for being shooted for saying ******* bomb?!!!~:eek: .Quote:
Originally Posted by From the article posted by Redleg above
This subject is so redicolous, not only because of the propesterous (if not unhumane) statements of some people, but also because what it appears to be the facts.~:rolleyes:
Yup, you guys caught us, its a conspiracy in the highest order. The Marshals just wanted to test out their bullets. Tin foil hats for everyone!!!:hide:
Probably more credible than the rubbish the police have stated thus far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
glad to see you have not changed JAG~:rolleyes: ~;)
BULLOCKS THE WHOLE THING PURE BULLOCKS
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JAG, what's your hat size? I'm not sure if I need to run out to the store and get some more foil.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG
Hang on, Dave, I have some WMD's I wanna sell you... ~:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
Can anybody explain me what "tinfoil hats" means...I want to know with what I'm being insulted at least...
I never change, you should know that by now! And cheers for the offer Dave, but I stock up.
tis a gringo thing my mexican friend. It means you think everyone is out to get you. or you blow things way outta proportion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulforged
Tinfoil hats for Soulforged. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulforged
I'm argentinian. Thanks though...Quote:
Originally Posted by strike for the south
Thanks I imagined something like that.~DQuote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
I'm not trying to insult you, I'm trying to protect you from the CIA, aliens, the GOP, and other organizations that are trying to read your mind and control you thoughts. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulforged
Oh I need more than tinfoil hats to protect me from the CIA :eeeek: :fainting: :sorry: :ballchain: ~:rolleyes:. Aliens don't exist (I think this was somebody elses exageration).Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
oh well we are the only ones that really matter~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulforged
lol SFTS, you crack me up. I've never seen such a conservative, southern Baptist Texan, go so liberal.Quote:
Originally Posted by strike for the south
To Everyone Else:
The Air Marshall did take appropriate action. There really was no other reasonable action to take...
The guys poor wife must be in one hell of a state.
I was talking about JAG~;pQuote:
Originally Posted by ghost908
Lies you liberal wuss.Quote:
Originally Posted by strike for the south
Gah! :hide:Quote:
Originally Posted by strike for the south
Oh shut up, you pinko Texan... ehm...Quote:
Originally Posted by strike for the south
... 'pinko' and 'Texan'... somehow that doesn't match...
Anyone help me out? https://img320.imageshack.us/img320/...ruebel22zc.gif
Am I insane I really havent fallen to the left on to many things. You know what we need an abortion thread or guns or the death penaltyQuote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
Sounds like a virtual theme park for Southern Conservatives. Maybe we can ask TosaInu to open up some .org reservation for you guys. ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by strike for the south
Seriously, I respect you for having an open mind about things. :bow:
Proved my point, normally I would put it down to the language barrier but having read some of your other posts I'm pretty sure it's just an ego problem. Did I comprehend you???? Aye, and you're talking crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulforged
Temper temper, you're pretty sure are you, so you haven't read all the accounts of what people can do with seemingly mortal wounds?Quote:
Shut up! I was only making questions right? I questioned Redleg and he answered. So before going wacko try to read my statements. I'm pretty sure that if anybody shoots me in my arm I couldn't move it, but go on present some medical evidence that sais otherwise.
Yes I'm full of ego, but I've not lost my ability to understand language.:san_rolleyes: Here I'll post it again for your pleasure:"I'm an incromprehended indeed.. I don't expect you to comprehend me, just to refute me." What did I meant by that...Just that nobody comprehended my points, so at least refute them, it seems that you've a problem comprehending that too as your following comment shows it:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ja'chyra
I'm not sure about nothing, now if you care to show some MEDICAL (as I said MEDICAL) evidence here, from real medics, then I could change my possition, only in regards to the shooting. Also you made it personal don't look at me, I was making questions, I'm usually so ignorant about everything that I make my points questioning, however you came with claims that I was sure of what I was saying and that it was all crap, and that I should read a little more about the subject...you should cut the crap.Quote:
Temper temper, you're pretty sure are you, so you haven't read all the accounts of what people can do with seemingly mortal wounds?
And what makes you so hard to comprehend? Is it your vast intelligence or are the rest of us stupid?Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulforged
Go look for it yourself, try reading some medal citations.Quote:
I'm not sure about nothing, now if you care to show some MEDICAL (as I said MEDICAL) evidence here, from real medics, then I could change my possition, only in regards to the shooting. Also you made it personal don't look at me, I was making questions, I'm usually so ignorant about everything that I make my points questioning, however you came with claims that I was sure of what I was saying and that it was all crap, and that I should read a little more about the subject...you should cut the crap.
Anyway, that's probably about enough on the forum, if there's still a problem then PM me, no need to upset the mods :san_lipsrsealed:
Maybe it's because I can't write well in english. Why don't you tell me? As you've missed it everytime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ja'chyra
I don't know what medal citations are. I've no need for it, many other, more important matter to look at, that's what I ask you for it, because you are trying to state it as a truth, I only said that I believe that if a man shoots me in my arm I couldn't move it. Notice that I used myself two times in that statement, now that could be arrogance, but that could be also because it's a simpel reference to make you note that the test subject of the shooting is me.Quote:
Go look for it yourself, try reading some medal citations.
I'm pretty well acustomed to the Backroom now. You started all of this, but I don't hold any grudge, I never do. Also PM doesn't seem like a brave thing to do, to solve problems I mean.Quote:
Anyway, that's probably about enough on the forum, if there's still a problem then PM me, no need to upset the mods
Whateva, as I said PM if you feel the need to take it any further.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulforged
'Last Word' syndrome. Fruitful discussion having been exhausted in this case,
topic closed. Thanks to all contributors. :bow: