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also about the shire being an "all white" area is a huge lie, come across the woronora river to where i live in Menai and its fairly mixed between middle easterners, and aussies. We have some gang problems, but most get along, seeing as the middle easterners here are far from lower class, like in lakemba
Point taken. So what is the story on police corruption around Cronulla that Efrem was talking about? I would really like to know more about that. I mean I read horror stories about substance abuse on Cronulla. Even if they are far overboard, my first thought would be to, ehm, sniff for illicit gains so to speak. Does that make sense? And are the Leb gangs involved in drug traffic too? Given their country of origin it wouldn't exactly surprise me...Quote:
Originally Posted by Alrowan
At least I don't make up my own statistics. :san_cheesy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
rotflmao Good one GawainQuote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
America has this 'american dream' thing go for it, it is still an ideal. People move to america to build up a new life, they come europe(can't speak for australia) to hike along for the money; with the intention to move back one day. Unlike europe America expects people to do their best, if you don't do your best you fail. In Europe, when you don't do your best, there is a whole army of leftists to make it appear you are actually struggling and just can't help it when you rob a grannie.
an Aussie cop's opinion on some of this stuff:
http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/artic...article_id=581
'But more remarkable were the occupants of the house. They were very recent arrivals from Lebanon, and from the moment we entered the premises, we wrestled and fought with the male occupants, were abused and spat at by the women and children, and our search took five times longer because of the impediments placed before us by the occupants, including the women hiding heroin in baby nappies and on themselves and refusing to be searched by policewomen because of religious beliefs. We had never encountered these problems before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy_is_a_Taff
As was the case in those days, we arrested every adult and teenager who had hampered our search. When it came to court, they were represented by Legal Aid, of course, who claimed that these people were innocent of the minor charges of public disorder and hindering police, because they were recent arrivals from a country where people have an historical hatred towards police, and that they also had poor communications skills and that the police had not executed the warrant in a manner that was acceptable to the Muslim occupants.'
As a side note, I wonder how long before law enforcement types seek the ability to (temporarily) disable SMS texting on local phone services. The sheer number of quickly-assembled combatants, both in Oz, and last month in France, seems highly enhanced by this means of communication.
"2100 5th n Main BYOB bash0rama" sent to your 200-mate address book brings a flashmob to a scene that before might have been 6 guys duking it out.
I remember when the idea of insta-crowds was amusing.
That would do it, for a few hours. I have said it before and I say it again, the only counter for their hate is fear. They believe in sharia, they laugh at our laws that are made for more civilized organisms. Australians have gone a long way, at least they don't roll over when threatened, they act, that I respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
What a pity our Aussie cop does not address the huge corruption problem of his own (previous) employer. It seems to have totally eluded him. Just like the fact that 80% of heroin seized in Australia is from the Golden Triangle, brought in by Asians, and re-sold by Romanians, Russians and others. And oh yeah, a couple Lebanese too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy_is_a_Taff
In 2001, when the much-maligned Police Integrity Commission opened its inquiry into goings-on in Northern Sydney, they found 'overwhelming evidence of systematic corruption'. Scores of officers including commanders were tapped or videotaped during rendez-vous and deals with drug traffickers in return for bribes worth hundreds of thousands of Oz dollars. Our anti-Leb copper seems never to have heard of the entire issue. He merely blames political correctness for the force's woes.
The police officers' extracurricular activities were not restricted to taking kickbacks, they also recruited new dealers, set up new drug networks and pressured small traffickers to move into serious dealing. After Peter Ryan (equally maligned in the article) signed on as NSW Police Commissioner, a new generation of corrupt policemen took over. Instead of facilitating the drug traffic, they became major players themselves. Press reports abound. So do juicy details.
Tapes played to the inquiry showed police accepting bags full of money, stuffing stolen funds in their pockets, dividing the spoils of their crimes with superior officers and discussing their schemes in the crudest terms. “It makes it a pleasure to come to work,” M5, an unnamed police officer told his accomplices after taking his one-third share of $30,000 allegedly left by a dealer. “That’s why I came back,” a Detective Senior Constable replied. “Greed’s a bad thing,” joked another.
Looks like my sniffer was right after all.
no doubt your sniffer was right.
However, Australian police corruption does not have to be considered in the scope of an article about the rise of Middle Eastern crime in Australia.
The article's title ("The Rise of Middle Eastern Crime in Australia") says it all.
Pardon? He points to PC as the sole reason for everything that went wrong. And he blames the Lebanese for most heroin imports. That seems disingenious. The corruption investigations show many police officers were looking the other way for financial reasons, not political ones, whereas most of the heroin is apparently still imported by the 5T successor organisations from various nationalities, including Lebanese of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy_is_a_Taff
OK, next question: why would the Lebanese gangs chase away their own customers from a beach?
Police to get more powers
Control fear by adding more laws restricting people. And with somewhat corrupt police force too. Glad I don't live in Australia.
"The Lucky Country" - Yeah Right!
Adrian:"What a pity our Aussie cop does not address the huge corruption problem of his own (previous) employer. It seems to have totally eluded him. "
I was also wondering what you were on about because he did mention PC.
So I pointed out that expecting him to go on about it didn't matter as it is besides the point of the article which is about Middle Eastern crime.
Edit: point clarified?
With all due respect, Kiwitt, let's keep the country bashing out of this. It causes perfectly good threads going south all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwitt
Oh, and I'd love to live in Australia for a while, maybe even a long while.
Well, Priest mentions PC (political correctness, as in : don't ever say something unpleasant about minorities) as the sole reason why the police 'withdrew into itself' and left the street to Lebanese gangs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy_is_a_Taff
I would think the corruption (as in: taking bribes) had a part to play, and would explain why the police withdrew from the streets. Turf wars occur wherever hard drugs are sold. I am amazed he never even mentions this as a possible cause of things getting out of hand.
Hence my question with regard to the Lebs: why would Lebanese gangs chase away their customers, i.e. Cronulla beach visitors, among whom there are traditionally many substance users. Strikes me as odd. Gangs never touch drug dealers, their cars and homes or their customers, because if they do they know they will suffer for it.
oh, ok, I got you mixed up with PC as police corruption and political correctness (I thought you were trying a new abbreviation out, if you look at the way one of the posts went it looks like that's what happened).
As for Leb gangs causing trouble for drug users, well, several of the girls who were gang raped were lured by promises of drugs. Admittedly I don't know whether the rapists were drug dealers too or not, but, as you point out they are drug dealers' customers nonetheless and so the gangs should know better. Although, I know that people will abuse drug dealers' customers and I also know of drug dealers who are quite willing to abuse their customers too: I reckon that probably happens in Australia too.
I read you, glad we've cleared it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy_is_a_Taff
Once you have seen a well-organised gang take over your neighbourhood, you never forget how it works. No blood on the streets, they shed that on delapidated industrial sites on in their own kind of nightclubs where everybody is looking the other way. No police attention please, no media please, nothing to see here. It's easy easy, catchy monkey, particularly if they want to draw the 'better' kind of customers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy_is_a_Taff
Now surfing beaches must be replete with such customers and Cronulla already has a history of substance (ab)use. If there is also a history of police corruption, and that seems pretty clear, I would think there is a turf war going on between the locals and the Lebs. But the riots don't fit in. Me no understand. And it is not as if our Australian friends are giving a lot of feedback, except for saying that I am an idiot. Which is probably fair and which I can live with.
To AdrianII: Agreed to country bashing.
However, Australia has already introduced really hardline laws, and are now considering harder ones. This is not a good move. Why don't the people move to have reconciliation meetings, rather than enact new powers, which may never be removed.
I would have thought more talking is better than laws in situations like this.
Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
Fascinating line of inquiry developing here.
I must say it is nice to see that every free country is indeed made equal. Australia, England, and France are no better nor worse than the US. How refreshing.
Sean
LOL, Adrian telling someone else to not bash another country? Now thats rich...:san_laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
I am not bashing they are doing that enough themselves.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/common/im...,216261,00.jpg
The one and only time AdrianII bashed a country was in 1978 in Lichtenstein. That was when a car carrying him from Switzerland to Austria, where a lady of the female persuasion was awaiting him, broke down near Valduz. The locals never got over the barrage of swear words uttered that afternoon when it transpired that the Principality's sole car mechanic was in bed and solidly asleep after a devastating drinking binge. The citizens of Lichtenstein recently voted extra powers for the Prince to prevent the recurrence of any such verbal abuse in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
And that's the truth. :san_wink:
Ahh, '78.
Argentina defeats Netherlands 3-1 after extra time to win the 1978 World Cup,
Camp David peace agreement between Israel and Egypt,
In Jonestown, Guyana, Jim Jones leads his People's Temple in a mass murder-suicide; 913 die, including 276 children, and
AdrianII gets medieval on Lichtenstein.
Pretty eventful year. :)
But hey! How about 'dem Aussies?
I guess they are all off to the beach again. :san_rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
well alls seemed to calm down somewhat, though weekend is coming, hopefully a lot of people have grown up this week and keep to themselves, so the rest of us can enjoy a good day at the beach. Afterall, one of the best days out is a swim at the beach, calamari rings and chips for lunch, followed by some ice cream... gotta love the simple things :D
Best of luck with that Alrowan; I have to keep reminding myself that it's summer down there. :)
from http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...5E1702,00.htmlQuote:
Police numbers will more than double from the 450 last weekend to 1000 on Saturday and 1500 on Sunday
So do I. :san_grin:Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
*going out in 8 BF gale, plus rain and thunderstorms*
This comes from the article Taffy posted, and it says it all.
I was finally proven right, but I take no comfort from that. However, the criticism I received was unprecedented. I was a nutter, a liar, a racist, a disgruntled detective — but I was right. The critics still refuse to concede that we have a problem. They are still clinging to the multicultural theme.
To the senior police in the area, it was more important to give the impression that local ethnic relations were never better.
It is a lucrative and sustainable position for many. Governments pay huge money to anything that bears the word multicultural. Indeed the police department, like other government departments, spends vast amounts on multicultural issues, multicultural jobs, multicultural consultancies, education packages, legal advice, public relations and the rest. Having expended large amounts of money on multiculturalism, they are hardly likely to criticise it. Those that feed off multiculturalism are not likely to question it.
All praise the multicult :san_angry:
The point is that it doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
It doesn't mention that 80% of the heroin in Australia comes from the Golden Triangle and is imported by other than Lebanese gangs.
And it doesn't mention the rampant corruption in the NSW police force, to the point where police officers themselves have become major players in the drug trade. I wouldn't know why Priest turns a blind eye on that.
What I do know is that Priest was involved in a long campaign to oust Ryan and replace him with an American police commissioner, one from New York I believe. He may have had good reasons for that. Like I said, it seems that Cronulla and other areas could use some zero-tolerance policing. But so, apparently, do certain elements in the NSW police force itself.
And once again: why would Lebanese gangs chase away the customers?
Who cares about drug trafficking, it is street violence that counts.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII