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It rather helps he's willing to explicitly state Americans (or rather, the willingness of too many of them to profiteer illegally by employing illegals) form a part of the problem, you know.
Sort of like how it adds considerable credibility to a statement in a discussion about prostitution to make it clear you remember it's a transaction involving at least two people...
Maybe they didn't state it because it's implicit. Of course it isn't other illegals hiring these people, it's the scumbag Mom n Pops that MRD did a great job of pointing out as the sacred cows in this whole mess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watchman
Oh yes, there was very much implicit in their posting, but it wasn't *that*...
If you actually need to hear the words out of my mouth, Watchman, fine. I have a lot more animosity and vehemence against the people that are on the demand side of this equation, and I would happily suspend every license said entrepreneur needs to hold in order to do business could it be proven that they were in fact knowingly hiring illegals. Who the hell did you think I meant when I said 'they' are allowing immigrants into the country to keep the price of labor low, their friends already here in the States?
Don't be so spineless. If you have some names to call me, call me them. Just because I happen to disagree with you about a problem my country is facing that you don't happen to know all that much about is no excuse to go around with thinly veiled insults, and at the very least, you could show some moxie and come right out and say it.Quote:
Oh yes, there was very much implicit in their posting, but it wasn't *that*...
I looked through the thread and found you posting exactly one rather vague reference to the employer-side problem. And a lot of complaining of how all these nasty illegals who contribute nothing to the economy (cheap labor apparently doesn't count...) will bring about the downfall of the US economy, or at least most of what passes for social security over there.
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The moral grounds on which you adopt such an offended tone seem to elude my powers of perception. I'll consider it a plus you haven't been going on about immigrants bringing crime or somescuh though.
I neither need, nor desire, your approval of my views in any way, shape or form. In case you've missed the topic of the thread in the progress of your inquisition, it is about George Bush's approval ratings. You chose to turn it into a chance to call people that disagree with the proprosed amnesty program a bunch of racists.
If it makes you feel better to label everyone that disagrees with you in blanket negative terms, ala no-amnesty=racist, be my guest. But for all your self-anointed credentials as being the resident expert in psychology, American politics, and now immigration policies between Mexico and the USA, it doesn't speak very highly for the strength of your arguments that you feel the need to resort to such parlor tricks.
And, in my final words on the matter, prior to dismissing my position, go do a search on how much of the state budgets of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and North Carolina are dedicated to providing health, educational and social services to undocumented (i.e. non-taxpaying) immigrants. Oh, but I guess I'm a rascist for bringing that up. You're not worth discussing matters with. Call me any name you like, I'm done discussing things with you.
Surely America of all countries is one that is not defined by a single race.
Is this another classic example of getting nationalists and racists mixed up? After all it is illegal immigrants of any and every race, age colour and creed that are included in this.
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It is difficult to avoid the impression the focus is overwhelmingly on the LatAm ones, though.
I don't know, but I suspect the overwhelming number of illegal immigrants in the US are from Latin America. And those illegals from other places should be dealt with in the same manner.
Our politicians don't, of course - someone pointed out in some thread about pols sucking up to illegal Irish immigrants on St. Patrick's day.