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Now maybe you could point out to Tachikaze the other 5 nations that have high quota's for both visa's and immigrantion into the United States.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Or if we really want to make him work for it - point him in the general direction.....
And I won't even mention the family immigrantion aspect to parts of the immigrantion law. Since I agree completely with the way the law is used.
Mexico
India
China
Phillipines
Cuba
The nearest Euro country comes in at # 10 The Ukraine followed by the Uk and Poland http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/shared...lPermEst_5.pdf:juggle2:
It seems the US loves "Darkie" Tachi
We should Deport them.. I hate Them. They say they Americans?? that's bull.. They are not Amercians,and they will never be in my Eyes unless they come into America the Legal Way. They should go back to Mexico and work for 50 cents a hour if they can't come to this COuntry the Legal way so they can work for 5.15 a hour..
Gentlemen,
Please refrain, regardless of your emotions, from calling other members racists. Calling a government's policy racist is one thing, calling an individual member a racist is a whole other ballgame and will bring instant WP.
Also, anyone who calls any mod a "goose stepper" (that's a Nazi for those who don't read history) again is going to get the insta-ban.
Devastatin Dave-san I managed to query at least one of Tachikaze-san's points without reverting to personal insults.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
By the looks of it I think both sides think the law is applying the laws based on race. Either selectively applying them or not, and from both sides of the fence it seems to be applied to different groups then what the other perceives.
Then you have misread my postion,. I don't care about their race - if they come legally within the system it does not matter to me. If they come illegally then they should face the consequences as proscribed by the current law.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
Until the current laws are enforced - new laws are useless.
I pointed out the quota system used and what nations are on the top to point out the fact that the comment "its to keep the darkie's out" comes from a lack of knowledge of the current immigrantion laws and is in fact a "racist" argument all by itself.
(oh I wonder if the moderators will give me a warning for once again pointing out that the term "darkie" is in fact a Racist term, regardless if it is pointed out toward an individual or a national policy. Or how about we should just state that the current policy is nothing but a policy to keep all the "retards" out. - you might want to check the current immigrantion laws of the United States - because some of its geared for just that, to only allow educated people into the nation...)
After review, it was clearly my error that the word "darkies" was not dealt with appropriately. I applied a context to it that was not, in hindsight, correct. I apologize for my poor performance and reading skills.
Keeping this in mind, if a member has a complaint, the Admins, the PM system, and the Watchtower are all available to members to discuss their grievances. They are the proper forums in which to debate problems with threads and moderating. Turning a thread into a battleground of caustic remarks will inevitably lead to bigger problems, as it did here.
Then you misread into who I referred to explicitly and implicitly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
Explicitly: Tachi and DnD.
Implicitly: The group that goes "We need to stop Mexicans getting into USA, lets use our troops and machine gun those who dare cross over illegally."... overkill literally, and selective in which group they choose to state they wish to use disproportionate force.
And the other groups that go "You have no rights as an immigrant nation to decide who can legally immigrate." or "All immigration is legal, no country has sovereignty and who cares about the environmental (social, economical and ecological) consequences of unfettered migration."
That is clearer....Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
If you played the ball more and less the guy you would be moderating this forum by now... how is that for punishment. :dizzy2:
If I wanted a sucking head wound where my brains leaked out, I would just ask for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
What did you do to deserve banishment into moderatoring the backroom? :inquisitive:
Your punishment is harsher then mine.....:laugh4:
Besides sometimes you have to foul to get your point across. Unfortunately instead of a one point shot - I caused a two shot foul....:oops: Coach is really pissed at me, I wonder if I will be sent to the bench for the rest of the game.......:wall:
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~:pat:
:shakehands:
Back On Topic!
The only real way I can see is eliminate the demand for the immigrants, for then the supply will dry up.
What to do - if a company or individual employs illegal aliens, we liquidate their assets. To facilitate this, there will be rewards for correct information on such an employer. IE, if you correctly finger such a criminal, you get 10% of the assets, tax free.
Plus the employer gets jail time and a felony to his name. I think that would dry it up pretty quickly. :2thumbsup:
The flow of immigrants across the Mexican border would, I think, drop significantly within five years, to the point where existing security could handle the challenge of securing the border.
It's amazing how conservatives complain about political correctness until they want to use PC to jump all over a political opponent about a word like "darkie", ignoring its context and intent. At least one of these same conservatives have used words like "homos" for gays and other nonPC terms.
Recent posts imply that I used the word "darkie". I didn't; I merely defended the point that the forumer who did write it was making. I think I understand why he used it. I'll let him explain it if he wants to.
Redleg has gotten the intent of the immigration laws mixed up with its practice. I don't blame the US government for having some controls on immigration. I applaud the fact that there is currently no language requirement (as an ESL teacher and linguist, I could write a whole article on this issue).
My complaint is how the law is being applied. People from certain countries, cultures, and perceived races are not given the same treatment as people of others. To think that the immigration laws are being enforced fairly is fantasy, or as the conservatives like to say, näive.
When I wrote about the checkpoint, my words were quite clear. This is not a border crossing, where they check documents and speak to all people crossing, as Redleg described. This is a situation in which cars pass through at a reduced speed on a freeway and HS personnel stare into the car windshields and determine who they will stop. I emphasized that perceived race was about the only realistic criterion they could use to discriminate.
Recently someone stated that the immigrantion policies of the United States were racist geared to keep certain groups out. Given the history of immigrantion from countries from the same hemisphere of the United States and the recent news from the adminstration. The past granting of amensities by at least two adminstration geared to the illegal immigrants from our south, and the current plan.
I wonder if the two main individuals that espoused such a view point realize now that the "racist" immigrantion polices are not toward the group that they decided to degrade with a certain term.
Accuastions such as this TachikazeRedleg has gotten the intent of the immigration laws mixed up with its practice when faced with the reality of what goes on in immigrantion demonstrates very well that the individual who has a misunderstanding of immigrantion, the law in regards to immigrantion and the application of it in reality is yourself.
send em to iraq and afganistan to fight in the war, then if they survive for 10 years or so, let them in
No I don't think the immigration policies are racist. I think that the large scale objection to illegal mexican immigration is largely predicated on racism. There is a world of difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
I would have answered by corner sooner - but the backroom wasn't working for the last couple of days :laugh4:
Basically the law on this board is that you can't lampoon right wing americans as they can dish it out but can't take it.
Basically the "law" on this board is that you can't dish out personal attacks or slander whole groups of people without facing consequences, regardless of your or your target's position in the left-right spectrum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Idaho
That "members" of each "camp" regularly complain about unequal treatment could of course be seen as an indication that the system somehow works :juggle2:
A rather difficult point of law. How can we decide what counts as slander? Dave is regularly calling homosexuals depraved - they are a group of people. Palestinians are called terrorists and barbarians regularly - any consequences of that? How about 'commies'? They are a group of people - I have seen some posters demand they be shot. Does that count?Quote:
you can't dish out personal attacks or slander whole groups of people
You mods do a difficult job - but this board is effectively an american space, and american political norms, prejudices and conventions hold sway.
:canada: Ree-hee-hee-heeeeeely?
So are you African, European, Asian or Australasian then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beirut
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Originally Posted by Idaho
Well you just proved once again that the board is fairily moderated.
I wonder what would happen to any nation besides the United States if it had 500,000 to 1,000,000 illegal immigrants attempt to gain entrance - and actually do gain entrance into their nations.
I can pretty much guess that answer.
And race wouldn't have a play in that answer either.
The nationality of one or other moderator is irrelevant to the point anyhow. It's about the overiding paradigm of the board. The mainstay opinion of this board is:
- Capitalism is good
- America is a benign force in the world
- America is the best place in the world
- Palestinians are terrorists
- Gays are perverts
- Socialism means making everyone speak Russian and being miserable
These opinions are held and maintained by 80% of posters and any attempt to challenge them is met with incredulity and derision. Like you are saying something just to be awkward.
The funny (or perhaps not quite so funny) thing is that your are probably really believing that this the case - just as some other patrons believe that the complete opposite is the case ... go figureQuote:
Originally Posted by Idaho
Well actually you can't guess the answer because you don't have a clue. The developing world copes with by far the greatest number of refugees and migrations, legal or otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
UNHCR Refugee Stats 2005
Don't even think about it. You were implying American=USA, not North American.Quote:
Originally Posted by Idaho
Even if you did mean North America, which you didn't, which "American political norms" were you speaking of? Gay marriage? Gun control? Iraq? Marijuana legislation? Socialized medicine? Trade with Cuba? Nuclear weapons?
Goodness knows all of North America respect the same political norms.
:canada::unitedstates: Yep. We're practically clones. :yes:
If you want to confuse inferrance for implication, that's your own lookout :balloon2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beirut
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Originally Posted by Idaho
Kind of like your comments about illegal immigrantion in the United States. Ie you haven't a clue.
I wonder if you looked at the numbers and the way those numbers are dispersed across the develeping world.
I wonder if you understand the impact of those population increases over a short time on those countries.
Then I wonder if you have been paying attention to what is happening in Europe just on legal immigrantion issues, and their impact upon those populations.
Then I wonder if you looked at the time periods involved with the refugee issues that that report deals with. I wonder if you realize that many of those same nations are getting outside help from other nations and organization to help assist them with the issue.
Then I wonder if you have looked into the status of your nation's immigrantion issues.
Face it Idaho the individual who doesn't have a clue about illegal immigrantion issues and its impact on the United States is yourself.
I gathered that from the fact that you never responded to the initial post - which happened way before anyone got warning points.
My own nation's immigration policy is based on racism. The average UK citizen would probably want even tougher immigration policies based on their racism.
As for immigration issues in the US. I stand by my assertion that the problems of low wages, poor provision of public services and crime are blamed on immigration and are not necessarily caused by it.
Please allow me to introduce a little reality to you. Its not about race. If Swedon was stuck on the ass end of the US and we had millions of Swedes illegally entering the US, there would be the exact same reaction. Its not about race, you and many people of your political leanings make EVERYTHING about race. Its just easier to cry racism than face reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Idaho
Poor provisions of public services? Its obviously much better than Mexico's. If the US would deny these services then the immagration problem would be much less. Why don't all the illegals in MY country march in protest against MEXICO for doing such a bad job with its economy and it's own social(ist) services.
Get off the racism complaint. Its old and tired, much like the foolish idea that the government should be in charge of everything and personal responsibility means nothing. :juggle2:
Yes because that's exactly how it works over here in communist europe. The government control EVERYTHING :idea2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
You pay more taxes and obey more rules than I do on a daily basis. The US is a totally rules based society with huge penalties if someone contravenes those rules. You're the ones with the gun to your head.
However we are not discussing Englands racist issues as it regards immigrantion. So don't bring your own racial issues to a discussion that is not about race - but illegal immigrantion. IQuote:
Originally Posted by Idaho
I see your still ducking the questionsQuote:
As for immigration issues in the US. I stand by my assertion that the problems of low wages, poor provision of public services and crime are blamed on immigration and are not necessarily caused by it.
And you are still missing most of the picture - people state that illegal immigrantion contributes to the problem. There are more factors to the equation then just the impact of illegal immigrantion. I could go into the poor education levels of the majority of americans, the entitlement society that has taken hold of many people, the fact that capitialism has indeed caused some of our problems (ie outsourcing of jobs is indeed a capitialist method of insuring profit) and several other relative facts to the decrease in wages, the poor provisions of public services and yes even crime.
DD:Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
I wish it were not so, but a small number of the more Paleolithic right-wingers are motivated by race on their stance regarding immigration. I wish they would evolve, but it's a free country and their stupidity is just as protected as any other point of view. Sadly, I'm pretty sure my mom is motivated by some of this attitude~:mecry: . Even though their motivation is silly, they still have ended up on the correct side of this issue -- even a blind squirrel can stumble across an acorn from time to time.
I do agree with you that a majority of Americans would be -- and are -- just as angry about the illegals from China and Ireland as we are with those from Mexico. It is glaringly obvious however, as you suggest in your second paragraph, that Mexico is the only country whose policies are demonstrably aiding and abetting this illegal activity -- it is, in effect, on ongoing non-violent robbery of the American economy by the Mexican government. Unfortunately, too many of our own businesses and a substantial slice of our government are colluding with the Mexican government in this. In my opinion it is this aspect which accounts for the vehemence of a majority of the anti-illegal alien sentiment here.
I do agree with you whole-heartedly that attempting to label all opposition to the illegal aliens with a "racist" label is wrong and contributes little to the discussion -- but I am sadly aware that a few of those idiots are out there.
Legal immigrants seem to be divided as well then I see. My mother and uncle both are legal immigrants from India. My mom has little problem with the illegal immigration problem as well as my uncle. I haven't talked with them too much on the issue, but from what I've gathered, they seem sympathetic a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
In response to a thread that got locked because it was on a similar topic.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=64801
Well, I think it may not be a bad idea. If we could get the Mexican government to help in the process, I think we could really get this to work.
If we are willing to 'police' in Iraq and everything, than we should do some work to make the whole world better. I know, it's not our job to spend our hard earned money to make the world better, but I know American people to be nice like that.
Heh I nver stated my solution.
I say let them stay if they speak english, pay all their back taxes (at a rate of which they make minimum wage if their wages are below minimum wage), and do a tour of duty in Iraq.
I'm sure having them do a tour of duty in Iraq would never fly with most liberals, but I don't think it's too bad an idea. Only problem is we'd have to train them. Don't know if it'd work too well.:juggle2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia
Works quite well. There is a significant portion of the military that is hispanic. Factor in the Phillipine and Peutro Rico citizens that are also eligible to enlist in the United States Military - you have a decent percentage of the current military that speak Spanish enough to train any spanish speaking enlisted soldier. If I remember correctly all non-english speaking enlisted soldiers have to take a basic english course while in basic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon
The problem is that it will not fly politically since it basically is indentured or forced enlistment.
Maybe a hispanic battalion or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
From page 3 and 4 of this thread alone we are said to have a bias... but each example is the opposite of the other:
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Originally Posted by Idaho
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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
Could you guys make up your minds and decide which bias we are moderating with. My head is overheating and these turbans are the cheap ones that don't ventalite so well.
The United States Military no longer practices that type of racism. That type of racial designated unit went out sometime during the Korean War.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon
You need to ask for more money for your moderation duties so that you can afford the more expensive turbans - the ones with an air conditioner included...:idea2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
That's true that. I think it holds true for most European countries, and the US as well. But racism it is not. That is not the right term. It is not the colour of the immigrants' skin. What unsettles many people, is watching a demographic explosion of groups of people within their society who speak a different language, have a different culture, different values. And agressively cling on to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Idaho
Essentially, the American southwest is being transformed at an incredible rate into, well not Mexico, but a Texmex or Mexifornia. (Or for that matter: Marseille is now a city where I feel a foreigner, and an unwelcome one at that. I don't know what that place is, but it isn't French. Call me a racist if you must.)
You do have a point when stressing that it is this feeling that preceded the outrage over illegal immigration. It is not a worry over lower wages, or concern over formal legal immigration procedure that created the current outrage. But it is not racism either. It is outrage over foreigners not willing to integrate. Of people refusing to speak your own language in your own country. Of seeing your country being aggresively transformed. I'd say the issue is not white (and black or asian, lest we forget) versus hispanic, but American versus Mexican.
The nail on the head frenchie:2thumbsup:
I'm now getting this weird image of Louis VI and SFTS walking along a darkened airstrip mumbling something about the "beginning of a beautiful friendship."
:2thumbsup:
Oh I didn't mean for it to sound rascist. It could just maybe make them feel more comfortable to be with their comrades if they were somewhat "forced" to go to war. I guess you may be right though and it would get crap jobs or something.:shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/....ap/index.html
Great amnesty...I can see it now in 15 years the southwest votes for the offical laguage to be spainish. In 30 greater automny is given to the southwest "We must respect the southwests uniuqe culture" says the presdint. In 50 the southwest becomes Atslan putting Texas right back where we were 200 years ago:no:. Lesson kids? You can break the law if big business needs you and youre a growing minorty those are the two requriements. Well we better start brushing up now.
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Mexicanos, al grito de Guerra
El acero , aprestad y el bridón,
y retiemble en sus centros la tierra.
Al sonoro rugir del cañón.
First Stanza
Ciña ¡Oh patria tus sienes de oliva!
De la paz el arcángel divino,
Que en el cielo tu eterno destino
Por el dedo de Dios escribió.
Mas si osare un extraño enemigo
Profanar con su planta tu suelo
Piensa ¡Oh patria querida! Que el cielo
Un soldado en cada hijo te dio.
Chorus
Mexicanos, al grito de Guerra
El acero , aprestad y el bridón,
y retiemble en sus centros la tierra.
Al sonoro rugir del cañón.
Second Stanza
¡Guerra, guerra sin tregua al que intente
De la patria manchar los blasones!
¡Guerra, guerra! Los patrios pendones,
En las olas de sangre empapad.
¡Guerra, guerra! En el monte, en el valle
Los cañones horrísonos truenen,
Y los ecos sonoros resuenen
Con las voces de ¡Unión! ¡Libertad!
Chorus
Mexicanos, al grito de Guerra
El acero , aprestad y el bridón,
y retiemble en sus centros la tierra.
Al sonoro rugir del cañón.
Third Stanza
Antes, patria, que inermes tu hijos
Bajo el yugo su cuello dobleguen
Tus campiñas con sangre se rieguen
Sobre la sangre se estampe su pie.
Y tus templos, palacios y torres
Se derrumben con hórrido estruendo,
Y sus ruinas existan diciendo:
De mil héroes la patria aquí fue.
Chorus
Mexicanos, al grito de Guerra
El acero , aprestad y el bridón,
y retiemble en sus centros la tierra.
Al sonoro rugir del cañón.
Fourth Stanza
¡Patria! ¡Patria! Tus hijos te juran
Exhalar en tus aras su aliento,
Si el clarín con su bélico acento
Los convoca a lidiar con valor.
¡Para ti las guirnaldas de oliva!
¡Un recuerdo para ellos de gloria!
¡Un laurel para ti de victoria!
¡Un sepulcro para ellos de honor! Chorus
Mexicanos, al grito de Guerra
El acero , aprestad y el bridón,
y retiemble en sus centros la tierra.
Al sonoro rugir del cañón.
You could have just asked me to edit my post.
Let California become part of Mexico again, where it belongs. We will raise the economy of Mexico tremendously; the Mexicans can stay home and live well; they will not need to cross any borders.
Texas and the Red States will be happy that they don't have to share a country with us, and we'll be happy we don't have to share a country with the Republicans. Californians can all become bilingual and chew on wonderful Mexican food.
A win-win-win situation.
Your fooling yourselfQuote:
Originally Posted by Tachikaze
Again your fooling yourself. Do you realize why a large number of Mexicans cross the border every year both legally and illegally?Quote:
Texas and the Red States will be happy that they don't have to share a country with us, and we'll be happy we don't have to share a country with the Republicans. Californians can all become bilingual and chew on wonderful Mexican food.
A win-win-win situation.
I will give you a hint take a close look at the Mexican Government.
Arnie can kick Fox's ass any day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
That might be true on a one to one encounter between the two men - but it seems your not facing the reality of what the Mexican government is and does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tachikaze
Ask yourself this - why do the Mexican's attempt such a dangerous journey to illegally enter the United States?
Nah im just a double login thta i creatd to fool yall. Louis doesnt raelly exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Fooled ya. :laugh4:
Strike for the South.
Yay Go Longhorns!!!
Strike for the South.
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Maybe you should stop while you're ahead...Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
See, the correct spelling in the second post tipped me off.
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You almost had me, Louis. :2thumbsup:
Wrong. The Mexicans lose from the massive amount of pot becoming part of their nation, the massive energy crisis, San Fransico, and all the Hippies. The Mexican economy collapses and they are annexed by Venezeual when Chaves decides to conqure the world. The end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tachikaze
Loiue you disgust me https://img62.imageshack.us/img62/36...humb1af.th.jpg
Haha, come on Louis, get it right...
I , however am a longhorns fan. You can be my imposter.:2thumbsup:
I Hate Illgeal Immgiants With a Passion.. I hate How Preisdent Fox Threating to Sue Us if we do anything to "his Citizins".. My God, IS Bush More Worry about thos Stupid Mexcians Who Are Legal Ctians IN MEXICO,NOT HERE then The Actual US Citienzs,Like Me and everyone Us who had family members come here Legally?? I think the Natinaol Guard Should Guard The Border.. Any Mexcian Crossing Shall Be shot. That what I would do.. I heard on CNN Most Smulggers Are Reasled from Jail because there is not Enough Judges around to prsotecute themm..
Now, if you had the Army Guaring The Border,Popping the Guys as they come across the Fence,we won't have that ploblem,eh?? I don't care how many of you think that Idea of mine is plain Wrong, it just the right thing to do.. and the 12 Million People here?? Put them on Ships,Send them out in the Ocean,and blow them up or Sent them all Back to Mexico to work 50 cents a day where they Belong..
This is not acceptable here :stare:Quote:
Originally Posted by BHCWarman88
This forum is meant for discussion and debate not for sharing sick fantasies of violence.
Thanks for your attention
Ser Clegane
I got a temporary ban last time I said that ~:(
TAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHYYYMMM IS ON MY SIDE, YES IT IS!
Anyway, you gotta feel bad for the ones that come here legitimatly looking for a better life. They're the one reason I don't support immediate deportation of them. However, allowing them to go around in America unchecked is a national security issue more than anything else. If Mexican nationals can get in our nation undetected like that ,well, why can't terrorists... or even worse, agents working for enemy governments?
That is why I suggest we round them up, give them backround checks, and the ones with fishy backrounds deport down to Panama or Argentina (as far away from the US boarder as possible on the American continents, Kudos to Mencia for giving me the idea), and the ones who are clean can stay as long as they work off all their back taxes or join a foreign-legion type deal we can form. I'd be cool for that.
Naturally, you can't stop them all from coming here illegaly. But you can stop alot of them.
I wouldnt mind CA becoming part of Mexico. That would be a better solution then building a huge wall around it. :laugh4:
To Me,a Soulution to a Major Ploblem.. But I Apogle for my Ideas..Quote:
Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
Anyhow,if we do Grant them Amentisy,Dear God please Don't give them Amentsiy,but if we do, give them the Hardest Punishment ever. BackTaxes,Huge Fine,etc....
You should be apologizing for being inhuman, not for having a "solution." Hitler had one too, you know.
We don't need to give them amnesty, and we certainly don't need to massacre them.
Does anyone here have any opinion whatsoever on my idea for a solution? I posted this on page 3, I think, but received no feedback.
I would think this would make both anti-business types AND anti-illegal-immigration types happy, but I don't know. What do you guys think of this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Myself
I have forgotten to add that I am in all favor of attacking employers of illegal immigrants (mainly ones who have them doing hard laborous tasks for less than minimum wage).
Just adding a bit...:book:
It doesn't matter to me how much they get paid. Illegal is illegal.
And Alex, that may be a good place to start. I agree. But America has too much of a reputation (depite what many are trying to say) that we are the center of freedom of oportunity in the world. More will still come, but I do agree that it would be a good deterrent in the long run.
Sorry I didn't respond to your earlier post. I do, indeed, think this plan has merit. I might apporach it a little differently, but I like the idea of penalizing the employers, rather than the workers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good
I also agree to lowering the incentives for people to immigrate.
Yes, they should make it easier to become a legal citizen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tachikaze
Aren't the illegal immigrant employers already breaking laws?
Same solution as the probation period and the gangsters... go after the employers with the IRS.
On your minor point (Capone approach): I'd prefer to cut the IRS down by about 90% by establishing a better system of taxation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
On you major point (Existing Laws): A _________ men. If we'd enforce our existing laws even halfway, much of the problem would evaporate.
The system now makes it easier for people with white-color jobs to immigrate than those with working class jobs, as if people with higher incomes are more valuable humans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon
The solution is not so much punishment as have a regulatory body that oversees businesses more closely. The idea is also not to be specifically concerned with "illegal" immigrants as to make sure the minimum wage is paid, proper benefits given for fulltime employees, and all other regulated employer responsibilites are met.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
Once this is in operation, US employers have far less incentives to hire people from outside the US. The "illegals" will have less job opertunities here and less incentive to cross the border.
Also, the ones who do cross will be documented, and have to participate in our system (e.g. pay taxes).
From a compassionate standpoint, I would feel badly that the immigrants could not get better opportunities here, but it is a more humane system than one the forces people to brave dangerous illicit border crossings that have led to many deaths.
Hehe, a lovely Freudian slip, allowing us a sneak peak into your mind. :balloon2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tachikaze
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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Yes indeed it does.
BTW I believe the terms used in the immigration policy is skilled and unskilled. THere are some skilled jobs allowed that would technically be considered Blue-Collared jobs.
why does it say that ser clogne started this thread when i did?
Cause ser clogne is better than you.
You're right. I often associate the word white with the word color.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
White isn't a color though.