Is calling westerners "Occidental" offensive?
No, its not "Accidental".....
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Is calling westerners "Occidental" offensive?
No, its not "Accidental".....
@Pape
It's an interesting philosophical point, but I would contend that the importance of words does change according to their context. Thus if we take your example, it does not make sense to speculate what was going through Hamlet's mind when he said those words because we know that Hamlet is merely a character in a play. The meaningful speculation is about what Shakespeare is saying about a human being in Hamlet's position. If the words are attributed incorrectly to a real character, then the response to those words will be different - it may be speculate why they have been attributed to that person, why and by whom. If the words are direct and correct quotes, then it makes sense to consider what the person saying them meant and to tie the words in with what we know about the actions of that person.
Of course, from a Christian perspective, Jesus is far more than the accumulation of his teachings, but even from a secular perspective it makes a difference whether the New Testament teachings are the ideas of one man, a distillation of the wisdom of the time attributed to one man or a mixture of the two.
How dare you consider calling me 'occidental.' That is offensive to me in the highest degree. I demand to be called 'Welsh American' or 'of mixed racial descent.' Nothing less is acceptable. Also, as few people I know of claim to be Welsh American, I should get minority status, and all schools and workplaces should be required to accept a percentage of Welsh Americans as employees or students. That'll put an end to this benighted racism that is inflicted upon me.
Ajax
Doesn't make a difference what "colour" Jesus was, all that matters is what HE did for all of us. :2thumbsup:
@ Ajax,
Gwna Cymraeg Americanwyr chychwïor ag dafad cystal?
:laugh4:
Persecuting the Welsh isn't racism, it's English heritage!
Jesus looked exactly like Jim Cavezial
Budda is sometimes blue
Its interestin the way there are no pictures or iconography in Judaeism and Islam. The Greco-Roman devotion to iconography influenced the fledgling Christian religion and now people care what colour Jesus was. lunacy
At my language school, we use the word "Asian" to mean people who share some significant amount of Chinese culture. This is useful when trying to understand commonality in native language (especially pronunciation) and social behavior (e.g. politeness, mores, taboos). Interesting when you consider that the word "Asia" derives from a region of Turkey.
Maybe we should use "Sinocultures" or something.
To settle this once and for all , Jesus is very dark brown with short straight black hair .
Just like Saddam Hussein. Anyone else see the resemblance?
No, but jezus went on the cross and Saddam crossed us all.Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
Just like Saddam Hussein.
No , much darker and no moustache .
Tribes':
....understood. Do you know what kind of beer he prefers and whether he drinks his beer American or Irish/English style?
Actually a nice point developed in here.
There is a useful distinction to be made between the historical Yeshua of Nazareth and the religious figure Jesus Christos.
For one, we can posit reasonable "guesses" as to ethnicity etc. based on general knowledge and the limited specific references available.
For the other, the whole issue of ethnicity would be virtually irrelevant.
As an aside:
I always enjoyed the summary put forth by J. Donald Imus in the persona of his "Rev. Billy-Sol Hargus" in Imus' book God's Other Son:
"Jesus is my brother. Now, If I am White, American, and a Baptist, what does that make Jesus?"
:2thumbsup: :laugh4: :laugh4:
....understood. Do you know what kind of beer he prefers and whether he drinks his beer American or Irish/English style?
Well thats where it gets confusing , its the trinity you see , the two skinny Jesus's with no facial hair drink lager , the fatter jesus whom is slightly lighter in skin tone and has a scraggly attempt at a beard drinks Guinness .~;)
Seems about right. I know that wine was a central symbol and all that, but somehow I knew that the almighty would give the nod to Guinness.:2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
Just to point out, Xiahou disputes that point when he responds to my "interpreting" post. He argues, or so I assume, on the issue of theology, of Jesus' lineage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh