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I have started the news thread and I should have a couple more units ready by 10:00.
Thats good news, I will finish up the wonders (if I can) soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motep the great
Thats great, could you try to skin a unit of bronze spears for a uncivilised faction using mabye warband to start, they should be south american guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Murfios
Since we cannot model, we will have to use RTW skeletons.
Transforming some Egyptians into Inca`s would be awesome...Quote:
Im photoshop expert
and can do some skinning
somehow, I managed to get a grip of 3d studio max.
RTW vannila egyptians could be very easilyly transformed into Inca`s....
And if we get the Gupta`s from Arbaces, we could have skinned most of the basic units frm the mod ~;)
I would say Nile Spearmen for Inca Bronze Spears. ~;)
Ok, that would work better, but we have to take off the phalnix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex_Pelasgorum
no problem, all you have to do is erase the word phalanx from the formation line and remove the attributes from the weapon. Almost finished Ayamara infantry...latest results are with Byzantine over here. The Aleaca will be tricky...
Ok, I'll look at the Ayamara Infantry as soon as possable. You could get the levies or peasants next instead of the Aleaca.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motep the great
except for bolas and the awqalli the Aymara roster is complete (i have no idea what to put as the weapon for the bolas or the awqalli, so ill wait for the skins to show before i do them).
the results have been sent to byzantine. Ill start on the incan units later today.
I am watching the Inca Total News and I want to make a campaign map.
I can help you.I only need to know what changes to the imperial campaign.
Regards
You are more then welcome, Caius !Quote:
I am watching the Inca Total News and I want to make a campaign map.
Basically, the map will cover a large part of South America... from the northern Ecuador, to the middle Chile (aproximattely to were stands today the modern Santiago de Chile). To the east, the limits will be the Amazonian jungle (NorthEast), respectively the western part of Argentina , with the city of Tucuman in the (SouthEast). So, it will cover entirely Peru, Bolivia, and Ecuador, and also large chunks of Chile and Argentina. ~;)Quote:
I can help you.I only need to know what changes to the imperial campaign.
so the news thread IS doing some good.
Hey, thats my country!:2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex_Pelasgorum
Ok, I am making the map
Perfect ! And the mod will represent the history of your country ! ~;)Quote:
Hey, thats my country!
Also, in a future expansion we will make about the spanish conquista, and more historicall stuff ~;)
Thanh you very much for your support !!!
Indeed, Motep, great idea about the news project !
ok I will try to skin egyptian spear. Anything I should try to include?
Very good Murfios !In the begining of the topic, the first page, there are some images of Inca Warriors, in color.... they could be a good inspiration ~;) Also, i think if you could manage a way to skin some of those awesome Incan tunics....Quote:
ok I will try to skin egyptian spear. Anything I should try to include?
Howewer, i think whe should not do what the CA has done, and dont make very strongly collored units... colors with a more moderated intensity give more realistic feeling ~;)
I am glad of help you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex_Pelasgorum
I can be historian(Second grade of the school to today, I'm always seeing la conquista española)
EDIT:This remember me the America:Total War mod.
I have some files of the map.
Regards
And we are glad you joined our mod.Quote:
I am glad of help you.
I can be historian(Second grade of the school to today, I'm always seeing la conquista española)
We will need help , also in history, and considering the fact that you really live in that area, you could help us alot as you have acces to more info. Help on the minor factions would be great... ~;)
Actually, we attempt to make the first historically accurate representation of the South American History in a game.... ~:)Quote:
EDIT:This remember me the America:Total War mod.
I'm not starting today, homework is killing me(literally)
Regards
im inclined to agree...homework is piling up on me...still, highest average in the grade!:2thumbsup:
something is wrong with my Alaec unit and the pre_used (bastarne, i cant spell it) skin i gave it doesnt work and the game ctds when it attacks...so byzantine will have to test that unit.
can someone please put the nile spearmen skin here, Im goint to be several days withought my desktop, and I dont have RTW instaled into it. Sry I take so long, im cramed with HW....
I'll upload it to File Front.Quote:
Originally Posted by Murfios
I'll get on it soon, I have to finish school though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motep the great
Welcome!! Glad to have you with us!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius
Edit: Skin Uploaded, here is the link.
Note to Mods: I will remove the link as soon as Murfios is done with it, if it infringes on copyrights.
Put the bolas as slingers, since they have almost the same throwing action as slingers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motep the great
We could make the stones into bolas, and the slings into bolas as well!!
okay, ill get right on it...i think ill make the clubmen into falxmen...
Ok, I've sent you the test results for the units.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motep the great
Edit: About the wonders, you cannot change their effect, so which wonders should have what effect?
CF is back and starting now.
If you want to contact me, only add me in the Msn Messenger
Any RTW message of CTD?Quote:
Originally Posted by Motep the great
None at all. It only gives a message when I have a problem with the Horses.
post it in the Modding questions.
Told Ya!!!~:)Quote:
Originally Posted by ByzantineKnight
Got the skin, you can take down the link now. Thanks! :bow: :bow: :bow:
Link is taken off.
I think all you have to do is change the draw distance for the unit (that is if you are talking about the warrior priests turning white when you are zoomed in)Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius
Edit:
Motep and Rex: could you PM me your Windows Messenger/Skype name if you have them.
I dont have an instant messenger...
Skinning in RTW is so hard! Question, do I need to have RTW instaled to be able to use Vercitorx estractor?
No, it is put in a folder wherever you wish, but it is meant for rome total war.
Gah :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Motep the great
By the way, just to give the members a heads up...
Bad News: Begining December 18 to January 18 I cannot take part in modding :(
Good News: We are going on vacation to the beach!!
Better News: This is not perminant, I will be back!!
hello, i've been waiting for someone to make south-american mod for a long time!
If you Are going to do the mapuche, i can help with information and unit types:yes:
Welcome to the org!
Do you know skinning?If yes, you can join our team
Regards
CF
im sorry i can't skin:oops: but, as i said, i can provide information, like town andleader names, as well as units suggestions about the mapuche, if you want.
and Im not looking for joining a team, because i don't know anything about modding(except what is a mod), im only trying to help, because all the other american mods died
A nadie le intereso la idea de America-Total War, asi que murio el mod
No one is interested in the idea of A:TW, so the mod died
Only Yahoo Messenger... ~:(Quote:
Motep and Rex: could you PM me your Windows Messenger/Skype name if you have them.
I guess during the winter holydays some of us will take a little break ~:)Quote:
Bad News: Begining December 18 to January 18 I cannot take part in modding :(
Good News: We are going on vacation to the beach!!
Better News: This is not perminant, I will be back!!
Hope you will enjoy it !
You are in ~;)Quote:
hello, i've been waiting for someone to make south-american mod for a long time!
Mapuche will be a playable faction... and we do need lots of historicall information about them, especially regarding their army.It was probably the best army fielded by any South American faction in real history.Quote:
If you Are going to do the mapuche, i can help with information and unit types
Also, their relatives from Argentina, the Diaguita will be in the game.
It is good that despite the general lack of interest, some people like us are interested. Howewer, it is very hard to get any real historically accurate information about them, and that is why most of the mods representing native american factions died out.Quote:
No one is interested in the idea of A:TW, so the mod died
I planned for a long time to gather people to make mods to represent some of the many neglected faction/cultures/areas. First, i thought to gather people to make a Dacia Mod, to represent my ancestors and one of the most original ancient cultures of Europe wich was badly mistreated in vannila RTW .Howewer, the EB and RTR with the mod of Arbaces and the previous Dacia Total War practically "solved" the Dacian issue, and i decided then to gather people to make the first historically accurate representation in a game of Pre-columbian South America, including historicall battles of the Spanish Conquista. ~;)
We could contact some members of America Total War, and ask them for a bit of help... maybe some units, some skins...
hello,
are you talking with the leader of America:total War.
It never started.
You could consider ITW as a sort of ATW "reborned" ~:)Quote:
are you talking with the leader of America:total War.
It never started.
This is our chance...
Yes, it is ATW reborned
400 posts!!!
And over 1000 visitors....Quote:
Yes, it is ATW reborned
400 posts!!!
And many promises of help and support !! ~;)
I only found they use bow.We need more :help:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex_Pelasgorum
Mapuche will be difficult to make, and especially to balance... they were the best fighters around South America, defeated both Inca and Spanish.
We need real help here....:help: :help:
This is the Advance of Inca:Total War:
Faction List
Augaruna
Aymara
Chachapoyas
Chimu
Diaguita
Mapuche
The Incan Empire
Progress
Campaign map : 40%
Campaign balancing : 0%
Units graphics : 0%
Balancing/unit stats : 14%
Music/new sounds : 0%
Gui/Loading screens/icons : 5%
Descriptions/Unit cards : 0%
It will be refreshed
Thank you for letting me in.(And sorry for this long post)
First let me say that the mapuche were not the best army: They defeated both spanish and inca because they chose to fight on difficult terrain and they usually outnumbered the enemy. But when Lautaro came, everything changed: Lautaro (The real name is Leftraru) was captured in a battle between spaniards and mapuche when he was just a boy. He became the personal assistant of Pedro de Valdivia, the Conquistador of Chile. He quickly learned the spanish battle tactics and weapons, and learned how to use a horse. In the battle of Tucapel Fort(I think) he served as an auxilliary indian, but the love for his people was stronger and he betrayed Valdivia. He encouraged the fleeing mapuche to fight for their freedom, ans killed a spanish warrior to give them more valour. Soon Valdivia's forces were surrounded and defeated. Leftraru was elected as Toqui (general) by the mapuche Senate of Loncos. he introduced the horse as a weapon for the mapuhe, who quickly mastered the art os riding. He introduces oganized formations, 6-7 meter long pikes to stop enemy cavalry, cannons and leather armour, as well of spanish tactics and how to fortify a good place. It's a shame that you aren't going to do the conquista times, because they would be (the mapuche) much more interesting.:embarassed:
Anyway, tyhe mapuche army before the spanish came was composed of:
Missile units:
-Boleadora( or bolas)
-Mapuche Long Bow(2 meters long)
infantry:
-Clubmen(Light infantry)
"Macana" warriors(Heavy infantry): the macanas were a very long and very wide two handed weapon made of wood, with one side arched. they were extremely powerful and trasspased every armour.
-Spearmen: whith 2-3 meter long spears, hardened wood point. I dont know what are they gonna be used for whithout cavalry in the game.
-stone axemen(heavy infantry)
You could make sopme paesants or militia, i dont know.
Now let me tell you some names:
Important: CACIQUE is not a mapuche word. its a bad used word for most historians. The mapuche chieftain was called LONCO(head) and the military chieftain was called TOQUI(?)
CONA or KONA was the mapuche word for warrior. Every warrior especialized in One weapon; an archer would never use a macana and viceversa.
The CUGA was the family or tribe's Totem, the PILLÁN was the common ancestor for all the mapuche.
-Some mapuche leader names:
LEFTRARU
CAUPOLICÁN
GALVARINO
QUILAPÁN
PELANTARU
COLO COLO
AUCÁN
HUILCAMÁN
ONGOLMO
RENCO
ELICURA
-Some mapuche towns(mapuche didn't named their towns, but the chilean goverment named various towns with mapuche name):
TEMUCO
ANGOL
VITACURA
CURICÓ
LONCOMIL
And one LAST:yes: Thing: If the Inca Empire was divided in 4 rgions, Should it be possible to replace the 4 roman factios with them, with the main region giving missions to the other, as a "Senate"?
Thanks
do you already have some other factions unit images?
I forgot to told you that the mapuche naver conformed a united nation, and they were constantly in war with each other (aAs the Celts in Europe) but they were strongly united by a feeling of brotherhood. They loved their land and the respected they neighbour's land, the conquest idea was not in their minds and they never understood it.
and another unit coul be the machi, female driuds and medics who did not fight, but i think ive seen non fighting priests in RTW:BI
Welcome to the Mod Filibustería!!
This might help for Mapuche research.
No, we are going to have the Incans as a single entity, the difficulty of orginising the Inca into 4 seperate factions would be a nightmare. But each of those regions will be able to recruit a unique infantry unit (not recruitable anywhere else)Quote:
Originally Posted by Filibustería
Rome Total War 1.5 does not have the ability to depict seperate parts of the same faction acting in unison :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Filibustería
These will be as historicall/custom battles . ~;)Quote:
It's a shame that you aren't going to do the conquista times, because they would be (the mapuche) much more interesting.
But we could tweak their diplomatic relation with the Diaguita ~:) Diaguita were an off-shot of the Mapuche living in NW Argentina around Tucuman.Quote:
Rome Total War 1.5 does not have the ability to depict seperate parts of the same faction acting in unison :(
I can tell the AI how well the other factions are liked e.g. Incans will be more likely to ally with the Chachapoyas (who they called their brothers) then they would with Mapuche.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex_Pelasgorum
[QUOTE=Rex_Pelasgorum]These will be as historicall/custom battles . ~;)
But we could tweak their diplomatic relation with the Diaguita ~:) Diaguita were an off-shot of the Mapuche living in NW Argentina around Tucuman.[/QUOI think that the Diaguita lived in northern Chile, too. They were good warrios, but they weren`t in contact with the mapuche in Chile, they were separated by many tribes, from the diaguita desert to the mapuche green forests and swamps.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ByzantineKnight
Actually it would be possible...but it is near impossible for us to construct a "senate", but we can make the Inca a united group of 4 factions just by editing the descr_strat file.
It is possible to make a "Inca nation", and one can be The Inca Senate, but the missions and the rewards?Quote:
Originally Posted by Motep the great
Byzantine, send me the names of the troops.
How can so many people be interested in an ATW. That is so uninteresting!
" questions:
Do you already have the pre-battle speeches? i mean at least written?
What factions of rtw are you going to use for each faction?
No one is interested in ATWQuote:
Originally Posted by MaddMann
Which ones?Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius
No, we do not have the pre-battle speaches :shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by Filibustería
The Factions
Inca - Greek Cities
Chimu - Egypt
Chachapoyas - Seleucid Empire
Mapuche - Thrace
Augaruna - Germans
Aymara - Macedon
Diagutia - Dacia
Murfios: Could you email me the skin for the Bronze Spears?
@MaddMan: If you don`t have the necesary degree of culture to understand the concept behind this mod, than you should at least respect the work of others !Quote:
How can so many people be interested in an ATW. That is so uninteresting!
Eventually we will have them... but i guess in the beta version, the Inca commander might still speak in its speech about the gods of Olympus :laugh4:Quote:
Do you already have the pre-battle speeches? i mean at least written?
Hmm, i guess it would not be a problem with the missions... Senate works fine even on Mundus Magnus map, wich has different settlements than those from vannila RTW. What concernes me, is the historicall accuracy... and altough the Inca Empire was divided in 4 parts, it had a strong, centralised guvernment under the rule of Sapa Inca.Quote:
It is possible to make a "Inca nation", and one can be The Inca Senate, but the missions and the rewards?
Inca should not ally with the Chachapoyas, altough they were culturally close, they where great enemyes ! We need to create between them the same relationship such as those between Rome vs Carthage in the vannila RTW...Quote:
I can tell the AI how well the other factions are liked e.g. Incans will be more likely to ally with the Chachapoyas (who they called their brothers)
About the Map, and the Map Editor... it seems like the guys from the Trivium had managed to release a version 6 of theyr campaign map editor. Once we have the Map_Heights, we should have an easyer job to do ~;)
That was just an example of what I could do, sorry for the bad subjects :shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex_Pelasgorum
Would the speaches have to be in their toungue? or will they be spruced up in other languages?Quote:
Originally Posted by ByzantineKnight
Are we going to need scripting?
shizzernockers3 is a scripter and want to help us...but I dont know if we are needing a script.
I really dont think so... but if he script, he could help in other stuff.
p.s. what does filibusteria do? I need it for the news thread which has been moved to the mod disscussion forum, and I need to know if the map is done.
Be pacient, the map is in progress.
Marius dynamite helped me. I was needing some help in the creation of the map.
:embarassed: I... don't really do anything, cause theres nothing i can do, but i want to learn.
plus, im very interested on south american cultures, especially the one of my ancestors, the mapuche.
the thing ive done here is provide information about the mapuche, like weapons or names, that you didn't have.
this is the faction most known symbol
http://www.mars-patent.org/projects/...or/MAPUCHE.gif
this is a map:http://www.nadir.org/nadir/initiativ...apuche_map.gif
Thats something Filibusteria.
You are our historican.
I dig it! I hope you include the Mayans, they are my fav, specially the Jaguar warriors.
Shokran and Masalema!
here are some images of the mapuche. Hope you find them useful for Models and/or Skins:
Mapuche spearmen:
http://jaimevera.cl.tripod.com/Lonko.jpg
Late 18th Century Toki:
http://www.mapuche.nl/publ/taal_mapuche/lonko.gif
The Clava, represents the power of the toqui(it is a neck medallion):
http://www.serindigena.cl/territorio...s/toqui_ma.jpg
Mapuche spearman 2:
http://pictures.galenfrysinger.com/s...a/temuco20.jpg
a Poncho:http://web.tiscali.it/Ghighi_Gentili...ges/Poncho.jpg
Theres an internet page where a mapuche warrior with a club and
leather round shield appears but i can't post the image here.
http://web.tiscali.it/Ghighi_Gentili...che_storia.htm
We are planning to just get the Incans, Mapuche, Diaguita, Aymara, Chachapoyas, Chimu, and the Augaruna.Quote:
Originally Posted by beauchamp
But we are planning to put the Aztecs and Central America in a later release, btw the Aztecs were the ones that had Jaguar Warriors and Eagle Warriors. We might include the Mayans!!
Good Stuff Filibustería!!!
And Caius: Tell shizzernockers3 he can join us, we need everyone we can get, probably a scripter too.
the Mayans died out in the 900s but small maya-based tribes lasted untill the spainish invasion, so I suppose that they might be included (but not under the name mayan)
The article (wikipedia of course) will give you the info you need
The Inca Flag:
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagen:...nca_Empire.svg
Hope this helps
page 6 already...nice flag
4 Bigger pages...
I am advancing in the map
oh thats good...good luck and gods speed!
Very interesting! I would like to see this progress fully! ~:cheers:
Indeed, best of luck!
Is this another accurate Incan banner ?
http://www.talkingproud.us/ImagesPho...e/IncaFlag.jpg
Mabye the Mayan Tribes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Motep the great
Thats very good news about the map Caius!!
Here is the faction icon for the Incans that Age of Mankind Total War used...
https://i114.photobucket.com/albums/...incasymbol.gif
Good news, thescme from TWCenter might be interested in joining, but I might have to train him/her to mod.
That's not an Incan banner, I'm afraid. That is called the "flag of all the south america's natives"Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormy
Each colour represents a culture, from the northern Peru to central chile.
Could this be the mapuche faction icon?(I posted it earlier, but no one said anything):
http://www.mars-patent.org/projects/...or/MAPUCHE.gifAoM was not including the mapuche, so they didn't had an icon for them.
Here is the mapuche flag, but im afraid that ( along with the incan banner posted ) are actual, nobody used flags in those times.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...puches.svg.png
Good banner
It will definately work.