The Godfather, Part 2 [Concluded]

Nononononono not this argument again. Don, there will never be a time when we will have a more than 50% chance of lynching mafia. If we never lynch anybody till we are down to 9 people, one wrong lynch means the mafia win, and in that scenario we only have a 1/3 chance of lynching a mafioso. We have to take our chances, it's the only way we'll ever win.

Remember, the mafia get to kill 2 innocents every time we abstain. Abstaining this round gives us nothing to go on next round. It's perfect for mafia.

Unvote:GeneralHankerchief

Vote:Don Corleone

Your point about not gaining additional information is somewhat valid. You're making the point that we have to try to keep swinging blindly until we see the night murders drop to 1 (and hopefully, the mafia aren't purposely picking the same one, just to throw us off the trail). That part I understand, and I suppose you're right. If all 26 abstain, 2 people die, we just wash, rinse and repeat at 24, 22 etc. The logic is the same at 14 as it is at 26. I'm with you here.

BUT I don't get why once we're down to 9, a single incorrect lynching guarantees mafia victory. The Godfather cannot create new henchmen each night, correct? So if we take out one of his and one of ours, it's down to the GF and one mafiosa, and seven of us (only one dies). Next round, we lynch the wrong guy and another murder, 5 of us, the GF and the mafiosa. We could still catch both of them at that point. Sure, it makes our job harder, but it could be done...

In any case, you're right. We have to start somewhere. To be perfectly fair, I'm going to find a random number generator and pick a number between 1 and 26. Let's see what the randomizer deals up...(sidenote, many times this is how I pick my faction and even playing era in MTW). Number 11: sorry buddy. Sure glad #7 didn't come up.

Unvote: Abstain

Vote: Crazed Rabbit.

Can anyone name off the top of their head a few of the more vocal Lemur detractors from the old games? I know he seemed a bit unpopular there at times. Maybe Lemur getting killed so quickly in this game has to do with some personal history.

:dizzy2:

Vote: Don Corleone

voting via random number generators is just so wrong

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voting via random number generators is just so wrong

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Vote for me if you wish, but in this circumstance, with absolutely no information to go on, a random number generator is the correct course of action. It would be a mistake to attempt to 'see' patterns where there are none.

Btw, it's daytime right now, correct? roughly 12 hours from now is when the lynching occurs, correct?

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Vote for me if you wish, but in this circumstance, with absolutely no information to go on, a random number generator is the correct course of action. It would be a mistake to attempt to 'see' patterns where there are none.

Btw, it's daytime right now, correct? roughly 12 hours from now is when the lynching occurs, correct?

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Its usually 24 hours since there are so many people from different time zones

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

BUT I don't get why once we're down to 9, a single incorrect lynching guarantees mafia victory. The Godfather cannot create new henchmen each night, correct? So if we take out one of his and one of ours, it's down to the GF and one mafiosa, and seven of us (only one dies). Next round, we lynch the wrong guy and another murder, 5 of us, the GF and the mafiosa. We could still catch both of them at that point. Sure, it makes our job harder, but it could be done...

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9 left, lynch one that's 8, 2 die at night that's six, town won't be able to lynch a mafioso since they don't have a majority, 2 die again at night, townie lynched, mafia win.

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In any case, you're right. We have to start somewhere. To be perfectly fair, I'm going to find a random number generator and pick a number between 1 and 26. Let's see what the randomizer deals up...(sidenote, many times this is how I pick my faction and even playing era in MTW). Number 11: sorry buddy. Sure glad #7 didn't come up.

Unvote: Abstain

Vote: Crazed Rabbit.

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2 things

1. Random number generator won't work because everyone will end up with 1 or 2 votes.

2. No discussion. Mafia can just random vote someone and then sit back and watch. It seems you've found yet another way for the mafia to avoid attention.

Don, the real point of round 1 is not to lynch a mafioso (highly doubtful), but to get the mafia to post so that later in the endgame we can find evidence in these pages.

Some interesting discussions going on here, do note how at least three fourth of all the people playing hasn't said anything yet - so claiming someone's a mafioso for the sole reason of using a randomizer is a bit overenthusiastic don't you think ?

As for now, I don't really know what to go on, as said, tons of people haven't said anything yet and chances are high one of those is a mafioso.

So for now, Vote:Abstain.

It's getting late here now, so I'm off to bed.

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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

Some interesting discussions going on here, do note how at least three fourth of all the people playing hasn't said anything yet - so claiming someone's a mafioso for the sole reason of using a randomizer is a bit overenthusiastic don't you think ?

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Well, people respond to accusations...

*At Crazed Rabbit's Tree and Gleann Pub, CR hears the recent news and stops eating his steak*

What's this Don?

I'm getting voted to be lynched (to death, you know!) because of a random number system?!

Of all the farfetched reasons...

Now, I can understand that you're new and all, and I can forgive the 'lets not lynch anyone' and other errors.

But this? This I cannot forgive.

Vote: Don Corleone

You broke my heart, Don, you broke my heart.
:shame:
CR

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Originally Posted by Proletariat

Can anyone name off the top of their head a few of the more vocal Lemur detractors from the old games? I know he seemed a bit unpopular there at times. Maybe Lemur getting killed so quickly in this game has to do with some personal history.

:dizzy2:

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I'd also like to know this. I think it's quite likely that the victims have some history with their mafioso killers.

My screen name aside, I must be the worst player in the history of the game. Sasaki actually made a good point about the random number. So...

Unvote: Crazed Rabbit

Vote: Abstain (for now :inquisitive:)

And Crazed Rabbit, I humbly and shamefully beg for yoru forgiveness... ~:mecry:

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

9 left, lynch one that's 8, 2 die at night that's six, town won't be able to lynch a mafioso since they don't have a majority, 2 die again at night, townie lynched, mafia win.

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2 things - I'm not disagreeing with you here about lynching, I'm just making a point:

1. If we lynch a mafioso, that means that only ONE person will be killed the next night, not two.

2. If we lynch the Godfather, we win. We don't need to execute his henchmen to achieve victory.

For now, I Vote: Drisos for using some sketchy reasoning. If you noticed, Divine Wind did not use the Snowman in Cosa Nuova and was innocent despite the change in behavior. I agree with Sasaki here. We have to get everyone into the discussion. If the mafia barely have to talk, then they can avoid attention. This is what happened in the last Godfather - there was very little discussion so I easily avoided suspicion. The last time I tried to promote discussion I got lynched, but I urge the town to not allow the lurkers or one-liners to get-by so easily this time around.

Going way back to Mafia II, where Lemur was a mafioso, he killed the following people:

Zalmoxis (not playing)
The Spartan (not playing)
Sasaki Kojiro
SSNeoperestroika (not playing)
Divine Wind
Ignoramus
Alexander the Pretty Good (not playing)

In addition, I seem to remember Drisos going after Lemur with a particular vigor in Mafia III.

However, that's not good enough evidence to vote. My guess is that it was just one of the newer players reading the old threads and trying to get the reaction that it was a revenge killing. I do chalk up the Randomizer to the Don's newness, but if he does anything else that's suspicious, then that's different.

Finally, Sasaki's just being Sasaki. In the meantime, my vote stays as abstain (there IS a difference between Abstain and No Lynch, you know).

Wow, I really suck at this. What is the difference between abstain and no-lynch?

That was only clarified last game, I believe. Anyway, if everyone abstained but one person voted Reenk, he'd die. No lynch is actually voting that no one gets strung up.

Ya'll need to leave Don alone he's a noob he's just learning the game if you kill him now he may not want to play again.

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Vote:GeneralHankerchief

For starting what could be another cycle of "I abstain, because there isn't enough information to go on, because everyone else abstained, because there isn't enough information to go on, because..."

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I have to agree... I've only played one game of mafia, and I can see the cycle. It's dangerous. It's always in the interests of the town to lynch. Consider it this way. If we don't lynch, it's like giving the mafia twice as many kills this turn. GH I'd have thought you'd have got that by now :inquisitive:

Argh this reminds me of the last (and only) game I played in. There's so little info to go by :sad: As far as I can tell, the only info we have is that Lemur has some past experience of being targeted by people.

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Zalmoxis (not playing)
The Spartan (not playing)
Sasaki Kojiro
SSNeoperestroika (not playing)
Divine Wind
Ignoramus
Alexander the Pretty Good (not playing)

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This really isn't enough to go by, but it's all I've got. Sorry folks, but you're all moving a (small) step up on my suspiciousness list.

so little to go on, well i have no idea except that someone should get lynched, so i will abstain and leave it to you guys as to who exactly dies...

Vote: Abstain

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

However, that's not good enough evidence to vote. My guess is that it was just one of the newer players reading the old threads and trying to get the reaction that it was a revenge killing. I do chalk up the Randomizer to the Don's newness, but if he does anything else that's suspicious, then that's different.

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It's not enough to be sure- but it's something and in the first round we dont have much to go on. Now the question is who of those are most likely?

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Finally, Sasaki's just being Sasaki. In the meantime, my vote stays as abstain (there IS a difference between Abstain and No Lynch, you know).

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Yeah, I dont think the odds are good of him being mafia again- although it is of course possible....:dizzy2:

Anyhow, for lack of anything better I'm going to:

vote: Divine Wind

Lemur whispers from the dead:

"My method of death was dictated by comic irony. Examine my quote in GH's siggy and all will be clear ..."

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Yeah, I dont think the odds are good of him being mafia again

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ARGH! Another logical fallacy. I swear I saw this discussed before. Just because Sasaki has been mafia before makes it no less likely that he is mafia this time round. There is no such thing as a law of averages!

Just a thought for those voting DW. If we lynch the CoP will he be replaced? If not, we probably don't want to go about killing him just yet.

Silver?

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Originally Posted by Myrddraal

ARGH! Another logical fallacy. I swear I saw this discussed before. Just because Sasaki has been mafia before makes it no less likely that he is mafia this time round. There is no such thing as a law of averages!

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Logically correct. However I am less likely to be mafia. Only one is chosen randomly remember, and no godfather in his right mind would choose me as a mafioso after what happened last game. No good losing a mafioso round one is it. or 2 as the case may be...lolz

Vote: Divine Wind (subject to change)

Rationale: producing a tie in votes. I am reluctant to take Don C out quite this quickly -- if you sign up for a mafia game wearing the handle Corleone, you just shouldn't be bounced quite so quickly.:2thumbsup:

As with everyone else, there is no evidence of any substantive nature behind this vote. I do agree with Cowhead that we need to unlurk a few more folks.

NOBODY is voting not to lynch. The abstainers are just saying "pick one, I don't care." Not lynching is only a good choice in the rare instances that you are fairly sure that the townie power roles exceed those of the mafiosi.

By-the-by Cowhead, I only defended Silver and helped shift Moody's CN vote against you because I knew Ag to be innocent. It had nothing to do with getting on his good side prior to this game he's hosting. I swear.:beam:

@Sasaki :yes: though that doesn't exclude you from my suspicions I'm afraid. A godfather might choose you for exactly that reason - because surely no one would choose Sasaki again? The point I was trying to make was that it's dangerous to discount people based on the number of times they've been mafia before. I personally am trying to not let it affect me at all.

I'm tending towards lynching one of the three who had something against Lemur. I know it's hardly conclusive evidence, but it's all we've got to go by. It seems the popular vote is for DW, but I'm hesitating before voting for him until I know if we keep a CoP.


EDIT hmm. The more I think about this Lemur thing, the less convinced I am. Gah! It's all we've got to go by, but it really isn't much.

Vote:Abstain for now. (note, not no lynch)

Lynching based on who was killed is a terrible idea. At this stage the mafia is choosing who to kill with the intent of creating a red herring.

We should instead vote based on who would be chosen mafioso by the Godfather.

Unvote:Don Corleone
Vote:Drisos

I'd choose him if I was Godfather. He always seems so innocent.

Unvote: Divine Wind
Vote: Abstain

As I said, bouncing Don C this early was un-needed. I really don't have a vote in mind yet. Sasaki and Eyeless are both making points.

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Originally Posted by ByzantineKnight

I'm in

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Originally Posted by Silver Rusher

Status List

Killed by Mafia:
Lemur
UltraWar

Still alive:
Sasaki Kojiro
Masy
Big King Sanctaphrax
Csar
GeneralHankerchief
Proletariat
Don Corleone
Seamus Fernanagh
Byzantine Mercenary
Evil_Maniac From Mars
Crazed Rabbit
Ignoramus
Xiahou
Drisos
Peasant Phill
Sir Moody
Cowhead418
Kommodus
Dutch_guy
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Husar
Major Robert Dump
Destroyer of Hope
theRTWGuru
Divine Wind
Myrddraal

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Aren't I in?

At 5 am I wanted to remind you mathematical geniuses of that new rule saying:

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-The Godfather will not be able to kill anyone, but if he dies the townspeople win. If one of his mafiosi dies, the other will still only be able to kill one person each round and so there will only be one murder each round. If both his mafiosi die he will then have the power to kill one person each round himself.

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Which essentially means once we get one mafioso, we will only see one kill per round giving us more time and also proving the last lynched person guilty.
In return logic or however that is called this means if two kills happen, the last lynched person was innocent. Happy thinking, I will post my vote after some sleep.:2thumbsup:

Though I haven't seen enought evidence to unvote my abstain Sasaki's reasoning does seem right the Godfather would most likely pick people who always seem innocent. Though I don't know about Drisos never paided any attention to him.

Edit: Oh yeah BK you should be in. Silver must have forgot.

*CR is finishing his steak and hears the news of Don C's change in heart*

Wonderful news. I forgive you Don.

Unvote: Don C
Vote: Drisos

I wonder if he wants the CoP lynched so he can install one of his fellow mafioso?

Mainly a discussion vote.

Crazed Rabbit

Vote: Drisos

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Originally Posted by Husar

At 5 am I wanted to remind you mathematical geniuses of that new rule saying:



Which essentially means once we get one mafioso, we will only see one kill per round giving us more time and also proving the last lynched person guilty.
In return logic or however that is called this means if two kills happen, the last lynched person was innocent. Happy thinking, I will post my vote after some sleep.:2thumbsup:

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You mean...same as last game? ~:eek:

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

You mean...same as last game? ~:eek:

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@CR who are you talking about?

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

We should instead vote based on who would be chosen mafioso by the Godfather.

Unvote:Don Corleone
Vote:Drisos

I'd choose him if I was Godfather. He always seems so innocent.

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I wish I had been chosen... still haven't got any special role.. This is not much evidence either of course. But it's better then my case against Divine Wind. :sweatdrop: Espcially seen what Cowhead pointed out, that Divine had already given up the snowman strategy.

Unvote: Divine Wind
Vote: Dutch_Guy

Why him? Well I don't like the nature of that last post... a bit suspicious.. still I think you have a better chance of getting a mafioso by lynching me.:embarassed:

Vote: General Hanky

Why? We don't know anything yet so I might as well just pick someone randomly.

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Vote for me if you wish, but in this circumstance, with absolutely no information to go on, a random number generator is the correct course of action. It would be a mistake to attempt to 'see' patterns where there are none.

Btw, it's daytime right now, correct? roughly 12 hours from now is when the lynching occurs, correct?

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I am growing suspicious of you.....


Vote: Don Corleone

Who might be chosen as mafia is going to vary depending on who is godfather. The idea that someone may not be chosen because of their past and drawing heat actually works both ways, so the thing to remember is that the mafia goons were not random. Killing one goon may even make it more likely to figure out who the boss is who chose said goon.

I don't like the fact that the Chief of Police could possibly be mafia, and his being immune to night kills makes it the perfect cover for him yet the worst possible thing to happen to the village.. And unless I missed something he wasn't voted in. Not a job I would want, personally.

VOTE: Divine Wind

VOTE: Divine Wind

sorry can't edit

Wow, there really is very little to go on here. I think voting on the basis of Lemur being killed is a really poor idea, as he's such an obvious kill for a frame-up, which is what the mafia always try to do in the opening rounds. I'm tempted to vote for Don, since if I was the Godfather I would be completely unable to resist picking him as a henchman. However, the Godfather probably isn't as silly on that front as me, so I might hold off on that one for a bit.

So far the most compelling argument I've heard is Sasaki's, suggesting we try and pick someone the Godfather would. With this in mind, I Vote: Doc_Bean. He never seems to attract any suspicion, and I'd choose him if I was doing the choosing.

Edit: Ha, Doc isn't actually playing. Ok. No Vote: Doc_Bean, Vote: Dutch_Guy. Again, he's someone who never seems to draw suspicion.

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Originally Posted by Myrddraal

Just a thought for those voting DW. If we lynch the CoP will he be replaced? If not, we probably don't want to go about killing him just yet.

Silver?

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That's right.

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Originally Posted by ByzantineKnight

Aren't I in?

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Woops... very sorry about that. It is probably because you posted at the same time as my 2 and a half hours left message, so I didn't notice it. Unfortunately, there wouldn't be any point at all in letting you in now as everyone would know you are innocent and you would be killed straight away by the mafia.

Maybe I should put this as a note in future games I host: If you sign up and aren't put on the list, please, please tell me so I can correct it. I was able to do this with Divine Wind even though he posted after the sign-ups should have been closed because I hadn't chosen the roles yet. So, maybe wait until a couple more people have had their names added to the list after you sign-up, and if yours hasn't chances are I will forget to add you to the game altogether unless you tell me.

I may still reconsider my vote. Can the chief stop lynchings? I also suggest to our detective that the chief be the first person to be investigated.

So the Chief will be replaced?

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Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump

I may still reconsider my vote. Can the chief stop lynchings? I also suggest to our detective that the chief be the first person to be investigated.

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No, the chief can't stop lynchings. (that would be some poor democracy, don't ya think ~;))

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Quote:Originally Posted by ByzantineKnight
Aren't I in?

Woops... very sorry about that. It is probably because you posted at the same time as my 2 and a half hours left message, so I didn't notice it. Unfortunately, there wouldn't be any point at all in letting you in now as everyone would know you are innocent and you would be killed straight away by the mafia.

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What do you mean? Byzantine_Mercinary is on the original list!

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Seamus Fernanagh
Byzantine Mercenary
Evil_Maniac From Mars
Crazed Rabbit
Ignoramus

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Can't wait till the execution.........

Byzantine Mercenary is innocent, as if he were mafia Silver would have recognized him as being in the game still I'm sure. I didn't seem to notice a Doctor in the rules list this game, cuz BM is gonna need one next round.

How does this keep happening? People are constantly getting confused between Byzantine Mercenary and ByzantineKnight. OK, fine, I admit I did as well in Komm's game. They are two different people, you know.

yay im not alone i cant tell the two apart most the time :help:

I'm trying to confuse the mafia so they kill him and not me

I think Byzantine Prince is the Godfather

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

You mean...same as last game? ~:eek:

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I only read the last two threads, Cosa Nuova and the one before by GH.
And then I saw people here estimating about two kills until the end so I wanted to remind them.
And now I am wondering whether you were really surprised or very sarcastic towards a noob.~:rolleyes:
And I like this concept better actually.

Concerning my vote, well, it's really hard, isn't it?

Vote: theRTWGuru because Don is right and he is suspicious of Don.
I also want to promote my reasoning and vote to others because it is at the very least as baseless as any other.:clown:

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Wow, there really is very little to go on here. I think voting on the basis of Lemur being killed is a really poor idea, as he's such an obvious kill for a frame-up, which is what the mafia always try to do in the opening rounds. I'm tempted to vote for Don, since if I was the Godfather I would be completely unable to resist picking him as a henchman. However, the Godfather probably isn't as silly on that front as me, so I might hold off on that one for a bit.

So far the most compelling argument I've heard is Sasaki's, suggesting we try and pick someone the Godfather would. With this in mind, I Vote: Doc_Bean. He never seems to attract any suspicion, and I'd choose him if I was doing the choosing.

Edit: Ha, Doc isn't actually playing. Ok. No Vote: Doc_Bean, Vote: Dutch_Guy. Again, he's someone who never seems to draw suspicion.

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And you always do ?

I'd argue at least half of the people in the game are rather anonymous players, and I don't even count myself in that group. So, of all the people who never garner suspicion in the games, you pick me ?

Now why would you do that, I wonder.

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Vote: Ignoramus

As suspicions rise, the climax begins to climb. Who killed Ultra War? Why would anybody want to kill him? He could have helped made this more interesting.

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And you always do ?

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Well, I don't know, I'm hardly going to vote for myself though, am I? ~;) All I know is that you seem to project a sort of aura of town-ness, which is what I would look for in my henchmen as the Godfather-unless I was trying for a double bluff.

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As suspicions rise, the climax begins to climb. Who killed Ultra War? Why would anybody want to kill him? He could have helped made this more interesting.

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I'm the narrator! :inquisitive:

I have to go through this thread to decide...
For now - Vote:Abstain

So does anybody have a running tally thus far? I know I'm the leading candidate to be pushing up daisies in 5 hours, but what's my margin?

Drisos = 4, Dutch., Don C & Divine Wind = 2

Huzzah! I just might actually live through my first day in the game!

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Vote: Divine Wind

He's been consistently voting only a snowman and his vote in the past games. Why was he chosed CoP anyway? We have basically nothing to go on, so I'd like to see him lynched. (btw, I just thought of, will he PM Silver Rusher with the method he himself is lynched? :laugh4: )

There's nothing good (for now), and it's just too easy for him to continue his 'no-discussion' style of voting/posting, while being mafia. No one would notice.

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Ah Driso's my friend, I stopped using the Snowman of Death in the current game of mafia, Mr Kommodus is running "Cosa Nuova" and until my death, I was posting quite a lot, about 10 posts I believe. Have a look, I contributed quite a lot, especially in the Kage/Sasaki saga. I did lurk in the previous games, only because currently I work 52 hours a week, and its hard to read and comment on every single post in detail. ~;)

But you are right, it would be a good cover, but I don't use it anymore as it brought me more suspicion than providing me with good cover.

I do hope the Detective will investigate myself this round, and see I am innocent. The only reason I ask this is because this is the first time in the mafia games ive had a role to play, so it will make it more interesting for me to play till the end :yes:

For now my vote will be Vote: Abstain until I see something that raises my suspicions.

Since everything is completely baseless so far, I'll Vote: Abstain for now, but will prolly pick a random person who's been voted for already before the dead line. After all, someone's gotta go.

:hanged:

Ignoramus:

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Why do people do this? They sign up for a game then act like they don't want to be in it. Either he's trying to be comical or he's in the mafia (which I doubt because anyone who's ever done this wasn't eg Kagemusha.) It vexes me.

Anyway, vote: Abstain as I have no grounds to base a vote on.

Vote: Abstain

Wow, I've never done that before. It feels... odd.

I'll have to come back and look over these posts more when I have more time. It shouldn't be too long, I hope.

Does anybody else find it odd that with a little over 2 hours left to go, our chief of police, who himself has aroused suspicions in some, has had nothing to say?

But, he's far from the only one: Evil Maniac from Mars and Destroyer of Hope haven't had anything to say either. There's been several other folks who made 1 liners or talked about the randomness of it all (and yes, I know, I fall into that category too).

Still, before I change my abstain vote, I have one last question, before I go forward on my hunch.... can the mafioso PM each other or the Godfather to arrange their strategy of posting? Also, the selection of the Godfather was random, but he/she picked their mafioso (not random), correct?

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Does anybody else find it odd that with a little over 2 hours left to go, our chief of police, who himself has aroused suspicions in some, has had nothing to say?

But, he's far from the only one: Evil Maniac from Mars and Destroyer of Hope haven't had anything to say either. There's been several other folks who made 1 liners or talked about the randomness of it all (and yes, I know, I fall into that category too).

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Unfortunatly there are always a lot of lurkers :no:

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Still, before I change my abstain vote, I have one last question, before I go forward on my hunch.... can the mafioso PM each other or the Godfather to arrange their strategy of posting? Also, the selection of the Godfather was random, but he/she picked their mafioso (not random), correct?

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Yes they can. We had dozens of emails and a few IM conversations last game.

And the mafioso were picked.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Does anybody else find it odd that with a little over 2 hours left to go, our chief of police, who himself has aroused suspicions in some, has had nothing to say?

But, he's far from the only one: Evil Maniac from Mars and Destroyer of Hope haven't had anything to say either. There's been several other folks who made 1 liners or talked about the randomness of it all (and yes, I know, I fall into that category too).

Still, before I change my abstain vote, I have one last question, before I go forward on my hunch.... can the mafioso PM each other or the Godfather to arrange their strategy of posting? Also, the selection of the Godfather was random, but he/she picked their mafioso (not random), correct?

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Since your new to the game I'll try to help you out a wee bit. :yes:
I don't think the Police Chief really knows anything he just carries out the executions unless I missed something. DoH always seems to lurk in these games and I don't know about EMFM. I think they can communicate via PM. Yes SR said that the GF picks his own mafioso.

Dang Sasaki beat me too the punch. :no:
Csar runs away and cries.

Does anybody else find it odd that two people, not one, not three but two focused their argument on Lemur's old enemies? :stupido2:

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Does anybody else find it odd that two people, not one, not three but two focused their argument on Lemur's old enemies? :stupido2:

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Now that is interesting. Who were they?

I know when I set up kills wanting the town to think a certain thing I was careful not to mention it. These mafiosos may not have been so careful though.

Don C:

I see you're clambering up the learning curve nicely. I knew I pushed to save you for a reason.

Let me look up the twain....

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Drisos = 4, Dutch., Don C & Divine Wind = 2

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So I'm about to be executed? Please don't! Lynch me later if I survive. Lynch someone else now, lynching me won't help you :no:

In order to have a chance of survival:

Unvote: Dutch_Guy
Vote: Don Corleone

After all, I'm sure about myself being innocent, can't say that about Don. ~;)

Sorry, Drisos...

***VOTING CLOSED****

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Does anybody else find it odd that with a little over 2 hours left to go, our chief of police, who himself has aroused suspicions in some, has had nothing to say?

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The first round is all just speculation, there is not really much to go on at all. However certain Mafia members in other games have made mistakes in their first couple of posts, so it is something to bear in mind, especially in round two.

By the way, my role has no privileges or hindsights like the detective. All I do is PM Silver Rusher on how I want the lynched person to be executed!

So far, everyone is keeping their cards close to their chests.

:yes:

Is there a gap between when the mafia select their targets and when voting closes?

It would be really interesting to make a really strong argument to lynch somebody, but wait until after they've sent in their kill orders for the day. If the following day the arguer dies, you'll know the person they were trying to prosecute was guilty (mafia will be thinking 'whew, just barely made it. Better get him out of there before he does me any real damage'). If I get picked off tonight.... seek the two who speak as one .

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Is there a gap between when the mafia select their targets and when voting closes?

It would be really interesting to make a really strong argument to lynch somebody, but wait until after they've sent in their kill orders for the day. If the following day the arguer dies, you'll know the person they were trying to prosecute was guilty (mafia will be thinking 'whew, just barely made it. Better get him out of there before he does me any real damage'). If I get picked off tonight.... seek the two who speak as one .

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Who are your two? Cause I count three.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Is there a gap between when the mafia select their targets and when voting closes?

It would be really interesting to make a really strong argument to lynch somebody, but wait until after they've sent in their kill orders for the day. If the following day the arguer dies, you'll know the person they were trying to prosecute was guilty (mafia will be thinking 'whew, just barely made it. Better get him out of there before he does me any real damage'). If I get picked off tonight.... seek the two who speak as one .

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Dangerous ground. Anyway the mafia officially choose there kills up to a day after the voting closes. Sometimes sooner. But in your scenario you can't rule out coincidence. People argue against someone who is innocent, then die, this happens all the time.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Now that is interesting. Who were they?

I know when I set up kills wanting the town to think a certain thing I was careful not to mention it. These mafiosos may not have been so careful though.

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Would that be our players with the hidden profile activity?
Could our Godfather have chosen two of the three players that have chosen to hide their activity level?
Since Kommodus is playing, it could be the Godfather is afraid of getting caught beacuse of someone monitoring pm activity.
Our Godfather could even be Kommodus. :skull:

Awaiting a mafia visit this coming night. :sweatdrop:

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

Would that be our players with the hidden profile activity?
Could our Godfather have chosen two of the three players that have chosen to hide their activity level?
Since Kommodus is playing, it could be the Godfather is afraid of getting caught beacuse of someone monitoring pm activity.
Our Godfather could even be Kommodus. :skull:

Awaiting a mafia visit this coming night. :sweatdrop:

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Hey, there's a thought. Since Kommodus found the mafia so quickly last game, he'd be a good choice for mafioso.