Mafia V: The Family Strikes Back [Concluded]

So am I, and Sigurd may well be mafia.

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Originally Posted by Ignoramus

So am I, and Sigurd may well be mafia.

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No there's no evidence for that. You jumped on the wagon that's all. Judging from Sigurd's behavior last game he was probably acting a little weird to see what effect he got.

Damn, I was just trying to be a bit funny and ended up starting a bandwagon.


Unvote: Sigurd Fafnesbane
Vote: Reenk Roink (I got a bone to pick with him)

Gentlemen, we need to think, not to blindly accuse or sit on our hands whilst the demons strike us down.

We have few clues, 'tis true, but they may be telling.

The Wanax appears to be a reference to a Mycenaen priest-king, or a general Homeric word for king - or, with the grape references, there is a possibility that it links to a Maori place name Wanak/Wanaka where grapes are grown.

Given the apparent megalomania of the first killer in his desire to usurp the Frontroom, I tend towards the former. Better informed villagers than I may have some further insights into the person who would be conversant in Mycenaen tradition.

Thus to satisfy myself, I shall go with my second theory, and accuse the New Zealander amongst us:

Vote: Hepcat

Hmm oh man Banquo is really suspicious. Voting based on a "clue" from the kill description? Often it's only the mafia who know what the clue is supposed to be, they are the ones who left it there after all. A mafioso who'd played the last few games probably wouldn't do that but Banquo is fairly new (not since mafia II?). What's more, he put's the final vote on someone.

I'm still watching Hepcat and Ignoramus but I'm going to change my vote to:

Unvote: Hepcat

Vote:Banquo's Ghost

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Originally Posted by Kommodus

Hm, it looks like at least one of the mafia (i.e. UltraWar's killer) is a veteran player. The portrayal of the mafioso is of someone who is carrying out a long-term agenda, rather than simple mindless murders. In other words, he's more misguided than purely evil.

The two players who have done that previously are myself and Crazed Rabbit. So who's trying to frame us?

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I remember your plot from Mafia 3, but which game was CR a mafioso in? I tend only to closely follow the GH games (and skim through the Godfathers), so I'm not as familiar with the players' history.

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Hm... vote: Pannonian

You're probably innocent and all, but you know how the first round goes. Heck, your vote was blatantly random. This is just until more compelling evidence is available.

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No worry. I remember GH chuckling at how poor Banquo (a noob like myself) got lynched in the first round of Mafia 3 for no particular reason, with his explanation that the first round only exists to get the game moving. Methods may have changed since, but, as I said, I tend only to follow the GH games, and you put an early stop to Mafia 4 without giving much in the way of discussion.

Ah, I'm beginning to get this game now.

Being an unthinking finger-pointer is the only way to prove one's innocence. Rational analysis clearly makes one a criminal because criminals know stuff.

Unless that's what the Mafia want you to think. Sasaki trying to kick the chocks away from a bandwagon for what purpose?

Yet I am a rational man, and have no reason to change my vote to Sasaki - for now.

Other villagers may see it differently. :inquisitive:

I can't afford killing random villagers...

Vote:Abstain

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Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost

Ah, I'm beginning to get this game now.

Being an unthinking finger-pointer is the only way to prove one's innocence. Rational analysis clearly makes one a criminal because criminals know stuff.

Unless that's what the Mafia want you to think. Sasaki trying to kick the chocks away from a bandwagon for what purpose?

Yet I am a rational man, and have no reason to change my vote to Sasaki - for now.

Other villagers may see it differently. :inquisitive:

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What was irrational or unthinking about my post?

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

What was irrational or unthinking about my post?

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What was rational?

You accused me of being a mafioso because I voted based on a clue, rather than randomly or with a bandwagon - apparently because the mafia know the clue.

Of course, were I a mafioso, it would be sensible of me to post what I knew to be the key to my identity. Not. An experienced mafioso apparently wouldn't do that, but I, being a noob, would. :dizzy2:

Not really the finest line of logical reasoning, is it?

Unless of course, you are trying to draw attention away from yourself. Now that would be rational.

:laugh4:

Vote: Silver Rusher

He got me lynched last game and I was innocent (wtf ?) :jester:

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Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost

What was rational?

You accused me of being a mafioso because I voted based on a clue, rather than randomly or with a bandwagon - apparently because the mafia know the clue.

Of course, were I a mafioso, it would be sensible of me to post what I knew to be the key to my identity. Not. An experienced mafioso apparently wouldn't do that, but I, being a noob, would. :dizzy2:

Not really the finest line of logical reasoning, is it?

Unless of course, you are trying to draw attention away from yourself. Now that would be rational.

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Accusing someone doesn't draw attention away from yourself when you aren't under suspicion. Your attempt to pin suspicion on me has become my main reason for suspecting you...you are in fact trying to draw attention away from yourself.


And yes, it was rational. Mafia leave false clues in kill write ups. Anything as specific as "Wenax" has got to be a false plant. They do this to frame somebody or some group. An overeager mafioso could become impatient with no one picking up on the "clue" and use it to vote. It's quite a coincidence that the person you chose to have this clue point to is now in the lead as a result of your vote.

Now obviously there's no way of knowing whether you are a townie suckered into a mafia trap, or an overeager mafioso. At this stage it's worth voting someone if something makes it 20% more likely they are mafia. As I said before, your immediate attempt to cast suspicion on me makes your considerably more suspicious.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Accusing someone doesn't draw attention away from yourself when you aren't under suspicion. Your attempt to pin suspicion on me has become my main reason for suspecting you...you are in fact trying to draw attention away from yourself.


And yes, it was rational. Mafia leave false clues in kill write ups. Anything as specific as "Wenax" has got to be a false plant. They do this to frame somebody or some group. An overeager mafioso could become impatient with no one picking up on the "clue" and use it to vote. It's quite a coincidence that the person you chose to have this clue point to is now in the lead as a result of your vote.

Now obviously there's no way of knowing whether you are a townie suckered into a mafia trap, or an overeager mafioso. At this stage it's worth voting someone if something makes it 20% more likely they are mafia. As I said before, your immediate attempt to cast suspicion on me makes your considerably more suspicious.

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As I noted before, the sensible thing (especially in the early stages) for the mafia to do is to keep a low profile. Fit in with the crowd. No 20% likelihood. The clues, planted or otherwise, serve no purpose at this first stage - there's too much randomness - but their inclusion may offer some guidance on the traps being laid, since people are rarely completely uninfluenced by their education/culture.

If I was mafia, it would be sensible for me to just post a vote for a few rounds. The quiet ones rarely come into the frame till much later. Or pick up on someone who was doing some thinking and change my vote.

Maybe your accomplice got too many votes for comfort? :inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost

As I noted before, the sensible thing (especially in the early stages) for the mafia to do is to keep a low profile. Fit in with the crowd. The clues, planted or otherwise, serve no purpose at this first stage - there's too much randomness - but their inclusion may offer some guidance on the traps being laid, since people are rarely completely uninfluenced by their education/culture.

If I was mafia, it would be sensible for me to just post a vote for a few rounds. The quiet ones rarely come into the frame till much later. Or pick up on someone who was doing some thinking and change my vote.

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No it wouldn't. Only posting a vote will often come back to bite you in later rounds.

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Maybe your accomplice got too many votes for comfort? :inquisitive:

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Who are you referring to?

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

No it wouldn't. Only posting a vote will often come back to bite you in later rounds.

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Ah, but one would have made it to the later rounds, when, by your own admission, the traps would have been laid.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Who are you referring to?

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Aha! So you don't deny having an accomplice?

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Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost

Ah, but one would have made it to the later rounds, when, by your own admission, the traps would have been laid.

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What traps?

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Aha! So you don't deny having an accomplice?

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Who are you referring to? Don't try and wiggle out of this.

Vote Summary (thus far):

19 = No vote as yet

5 = Abstain

3 = Sigurd Fafnesbane

2 = Hepcat, Silver Rusher, Reenk Roink

1 = Banquo's Ghost, Pannonian, Sasaki Kojiro

2 = Dead


Sigurd is currently facing the saw on a 10% plurality! We need to get some more people voting/posting.

I think il undo the deed,while Sigurd is dangerous and should be put under the knife.~;) Unvote Sigurd, vote Pannonian.There are many of you guys in stalemate there.Better start telling us why you are innocent.:whip:

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Vote Summary (thus far):

19 = No vote as yet

5 = Abstain

3 = Sigurd Fafnesbane

2 = Hepcat, Silver Rusher, Reenk Roink

1 = Banquo's Ghost, Pannonian, Sasaki Kojiro

2 = Dead


Sigurd is currently facing the saw on a 10% plurality! We need to get some more people voting/posting.

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Woah there...
I need to make a vote to get me in the clear.

Sasaki and BG are making a little white noise here.
But Sasaki's first vote is actually a good one.

Even if we take out the Wanax reference (which by the way is a good red herring) Hepcat did jump the bandwagon rather quickly.
Considering the thumb of rule that ‘third on the bandwagon is guilty’ I am inclined to vote Hepcat. AggonyDuck and Kage I believe was trying to be funny.. and yeah HAHA, good one guys. I am also voting Hepcat to make a tie in the votes so far.

Vote:Hepcat

[edit]: I guess I spent a little time in my editor and Kage put an unvote on me.
My vote still stands.

Adjusted Vote Count (think I messed up the last one except for Siggy's total)

Hepcat = 3 (Banquo, Csar, Sigurd)

Pannonian = 2 (Kagemusha, Kommodus)

Sigurd = 2 (Hepcat, Ignoramus)

Silver = 2 (Doc, Pannonian)

Reenk = 2 (Ag-Duck, X-man)

Banquo = 1 (Sasaki)

Sasaki = 1 (Prole)

Abstain = 5 (EMFM, Husar, Reenk, Seamus, trtwguru)

No Vote = 12 (Craterus, C-Rabbit, Destro, Disco, DivWin, Don C, Drisos, Dutch, Grace, Masy, Silver, Zal')

That should be complete as of 9am EST

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Originally Posted by Pannonian

I remember your plot from Mafia 3, but which game was CR a mafioso in? I tend only to closely follow the GH games (and skim through the Godfathers), so I'm not as familiar with the players' history.

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Crazed Rabbit started to execute a plot as the serial killer in Gotta Have More Mafia, a game by Sasaki. (In fact, I was the first and only victim of his plan.) He didn't get very far because he attacked several Godfathers, who couldn't be killed during the night.

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Originally Posted by Pannonian

No worry. I remember GH chuckling at how poor Banquo (a noob like myself) got lynched in the first round of Mafia 3 for no particular reason, with his explanation that the first round only exists to get the game moving. Methods may have changed since, but, as I said, I tend only to follow the GH games, and you put an early stop to Mafia 4 without giving much in the way of discussion.

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That's true. The first round is still almost always an essentially random lynching; even I don't have enough information to make a good guess. Nevertheless in games set up like this, it's still in our interest to lynch.

Glad to have you back, BTW. We missed you after Mafia III. :balloon2:

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

I think il undo the deed,while Sigurd is dangerous and should be put under the knife.~;) Unvote Sigurd, vote Pannonian.There are many of you guys in stalemate there.Better start telling us why you are innocent.:whip:

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I'm not quite sure what people can do at this stage to explain why they are innocent, unless there are specific accusations thrown around as with the Banquo-Sasaki dispute. Basically it's the first round, someone has to be executed (as GH said in his Mafia 3 roundup), and I posted a random vote in the absence of anything else. Do you have any better ideas?

I'd rather vote randomly for someone not yet involved.

Unvote: Sasaki
Vote: Craterus

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Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost

As I noted before, the sensible thing (especially in the early stages) for the mafia to do is to keep a low profile. Fit in with the crowd. No 20% likelihood. The clues, planted or otherwise, serve no purpose at this first stage - there's too much randomness - but their inclusion may offer some guidance on the traps being laid, since people are rarely completely uninfluenced by their education/culture.

If I was mafia, it would be sensible for me to just post a vote for a few rounds. The quiet ones rarely come into the frame till much later. Or pick up on someone who was doing some thinking and change my vote.

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This is what the mafia successfully did in the very first Mafia game, it worked that time - but never after that. Since that game, we have learned to involve lurkers by voting for them, or have them WoG[ed]. Also, a mafioso might target lurkers because they have no 'voting record' meaning the mafioso can target such a lurker with relative ease. As you don't confirm major players innocent, and get rid of an annoying towny who probably won't get lynched because of his inactive-ness.

It has been already said, but you shouldn't pay too much attention on the kill messages. They were used as frame methods in Mafia I, but again, we learned and didn't base our lynchings on them in the games to follow - as a mafioso can be completely random in his method, which can result in the lynching of innocents.

Also, casting a vote without a reason almost always makes you look suspicious. One's reasoning is quite important.

:balloon2:

Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Dutch_guy
Reason:

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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

Also, casting a vote without a reason almost always makes you look suspicious. One's reasoning is quite important.

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Dutch_guy, I think you need an addendenum to your rule about the posted reason actually making sense ~D

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Originally Posted by Husar

Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Dutch_guy
Reason:Also, casting a vote without a reason almost always makes you look suspicious. One's reasoning is quite important.

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So, where was it I cast a vote without proper reasoning this game ?

Oh, wait.

I didn't.

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OK, we have clearly established that I'm the clueless newbie.

I'll sit back for a few rounds and watch the adults play.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

:bounce:

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Originally Posted by Pannonian

I'm not quite sure what people can do at this stage to explain why they are innocent, unless there are specific accusations thrown around as with the Banquo-Sasaki dispute. Basically it's the first round, someone has to be executed (as GH said in his Mafia 3 roundup), and I posted a random vote in the absence of anything else. Do you have any better ideas?

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Thats good enough for now. My philosophy is simple come out on the open or die.:smash: There are now so many players that a Mafia lurking tactic seems pretty easy.Unvote Pannonian, vote Xiahou

Oh man this is going to be a fun one to tally.

Thanks a bunch to Seamus for giving that list of who voted for who, but I'll most likely double-check anyway.

Vote : Reenk Roink

Abstaining could be nice cover for a mafia - plus it denies the town of any clues based on voting patterns.

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Crazed Rabbit started to execute a plot as the serial killer in Gotta Have More Mafia, a game by Sasaki. (In fact, I was the first and only victim of his plan.) He didn't get very far because he attacked several Godfathers, who couldn't be killed during the night.

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Um, no, I killed disco first. But I got stemied by the theif and unkillable godfathers after killing you. Pity, I had this good story ready.

CR

Reenk and hep are tied, someone break it. Vote for hep. Although reenk isn't a terrible choice.

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Vote : Reenk Roink

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What a surprise... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Abstaining could be nice cover for a mafia

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How?

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

plus it denies the town of any clues based on voting patterns.

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No, it shows a clear pattern of abstaining, and when a vote is made by an (courteous) abstainer, more information of value can be gleamed. Besides, there are several other abstainers, but I guess I was just the random selection... :rolleyes:

Justifying a vote on me is impossible to do.

At least Xiahou did not give a reason (as there is no good one) and AggonyDuck is continuing a vendetta (I still can't believe you were the Mafia... that one bullet struck true :grin2:) from a long time ago.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Reenk and hep are tied, someone break it. Vote for hep. Although reenk isn't a terrible choice.

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Your vote is registered for Banquo. Calling for a tie-break and refusing to do it yourself????

Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Sasaki

Vote: Abstain

No suspicions as yet.

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Your vote is registered for Banquo. Calling for a tie-break and refusing to do it yourself????

Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Sasaki

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I like my vote on Banquo. There is still some time before voting closes. There are still people who haven't voted, I was addressing them. It isn't then end of the world if we go into a tie.

We really need to fix this current trend. If you vote, give a reason. A reason is in the format: You did X, and this makes you more likely to be mafia because...

Seamus's would be an example of "You did X" with the 2nd (most important) part left off.

As is, his post has as much merit as:

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Originally Posted by Sasaki

You used 4 question marks.

vote Seamus

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not a vote btw

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Um, no, I killed disco first. But I got stemied by the theif and unkillable godfathers after killing you. Pity, I had this good story ready.

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Ah yes, now I remember. I'd forgotten about that.

Hm... looks like at least this time, Reenk is going to have plenty of choices to vote for! :yes:

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

We really need to fix this current trend. If you vote, give a reason. A reason is in the format: You did X, and this makes you more likely to be mafia because...

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You posted(this is X), and this makes you more likely to be mafia because...you confuse people this way, say some people(I suppose this should be Y then).:inquisitive:

Following this line of thought:

Unvote: Dutch_guy
Vote: Divine Wind

Btw, this may seem unfair but I would prefer it if we did not go into a tie for this round. You'll see why soon.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

I like my vote on Banquo. There is still some time before voting closes. There are still people who haven't voted, I was addressing them. It isn't then end of the world if we go into a tie.

We really need to fix this current trend. If you vote, give a reason. A reason is in the format: You did X, and this makes you more likely to be mafia because...

Seamus's would be an example of "You did X" with the 2nd (most important) part left off.

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Sasaki:

You are never more annoying than when you make sense.

Unvote: Sasaki
Vote: Abstain

Vote:Everybody but me Do I need to explain why>

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Originally Posted by discovery1

Vote:Everybody but me Do I need to explain why>

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So if you don't wanna die that makes you guilty right?

Unvote:Hepcat
Vote:Disco

Don't count that GH,:beam:

Hepcat and Reenk Roink are tied at 3-3, but Hepcat has actually made a positive vote with reasoning, so Reenk will have to go, unless he changes his vote to non-abstention. With 2 mafiosi and 1 detective, it is better to execute at random in the hope of catching the right man by accident (eg. Disco in Mafia 4) than not execute at all.

Unvote: Silver Rusher
Vote: Reenk Roink

Oh, and GH, tell us after the lynch why it's imperative to avoid a tie.

I read the excellent FAQ on the Mafia games and a thought struck me.

Since this is a GH game, surely the first round default position for us all should be to vote for Kagemusha, thus invoking the curse onto the Mafia right away?

Very well, the bloodthirsty mob has forced my hand. Very sorry Hepcat, but I must vote for you in self preservation. Of course, everybody that has voted for me has not given any good reason to do so (sans AggonyDuck), except the fact that I (and many others) abstain when I see no point in killing somebody.

It makes it a little easier to vote for Hepcat, seeing how he has drawn some (though weak to my standards) valid suspicion.

Vote: Hepcat

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Btw, this may seem unfair but I would prefer it if we did not go into a tie for this round. You'll see why soon.

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It's like 2 1/2 hours. I'll be changing to Hepcat if it's stilled tied then, or sooner if I get too sleepy.


haha, hadn't read this page. It's still tied though right?

No Sasaki RR is in the lead with 5 votes to Hepcat's 4

Loathe as I am to lynch a noob in the first round in his first game, Reenk has made a positive vote as I suggested, so I'll change my vote unless Hepcat makes a decent argument before time is up.

Unvote: Reenk Roink
Vote: Hepcat

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Originally Posted by Csar

No Sasaki RR is in the lead with 5 votes to Hepcat's 4

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Actually it was tied 4-4 (my slanderers were Xiahou, AggonyDuck, Crazed Rabbit, and Pannonian) and now it is 5-3 as Pannonian has switched.

Note: To be honest, I don't think Hepcat is the strongest suspicious person here. Sigurd and Banquo have made good arguments why he could be, but I am thinking that the most suspicious right now are the silent ones...

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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

Actually it was tied 4-4 (my slanderers were Xiahou, AggonyDuck, Crazed Rabbit, and Pannonian) and now it is 5-3 as Pannonian has switched.

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Oh my bad.:bigcry:

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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

Actually it was tied 4-4 (my slanderers were Xiahou, AggonyDuck, Crazed Rabbit, and Pannonian) and now it is 5-3 as Pannonian has switched.

Note: To be honest, I don't think Hepcat is the strongest suspicious person here. Sigurd and Banquo have made good arguments why he could be, but I am thinking that the most suspicious right now are the silent ones...

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However, GH doesn't want a tie, so the choice is between you two, unless someone makes a huge boo boo now that starts a big and rapid bandwagon on them. Personally, I'm surprised Silver Rusher hasn't posted or voted, and his profile doesn't say when he's last on.

Adjusted Vote Count as of 4:05 EST [Edit = 4:20 EST]

Hepcat = 5 (Banquo, Csar, Pannonian, Reenk, Sigurd)

Reenk = 3 (Ag-Duck, Crazed Rabbit, X-man)

Sigurd = 2 (Hepcat, Ignoramus)

Banquo = 1 (Sasaki)

Craterus = 1 (Prole)

Discovery = 1 (Seamus)

Divine Wind = 1 (Husar)

Pannonian = 1 (Kommodus)

Silver = 1 (Doc)

Xiahou = 1 (Kagemusha)

Abstain = 3 (EMFM, Masy, trtwguru)

No Vote = 10 (Craterus, Destro, Disco, DivWin, Don C, Drisos, Dutch, Grace, Masy, Silver, Zal')

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Originally Posted by discovery1

Vote:Everybody but me Do I need to explain why>

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~:rolleyes:

"I'm Here" posts add little and should be punished. They are too easy a way to "lurk" while people are getting lynched.


Unvote Abstain:
Vote: Discovery


No need to bandwagon on this one -- but I will keep track of it for future reference.:whip:

I confirm Seamus' tally.

Less than one hour to go.

So if Hepcat gets lynched, does that mean I can kill two people next round?

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Originally Posted by Husar

So if Hepcat gets lynched, does that mean I can kill two people next round?

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Yes, and it will also mean an early end to the game.

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Originally Posted by Pannonian

Yes, and it will also mean an early end to the game.

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Really? Why?:inquisitive:

I want the do gooders, the "Im neutral happy and gay!" crowd gone!

No more tight leather trousers in this village!

Vote: Masy

GAH!

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Originally Posted by Pannonian

Loathe as I am to lynch a noob in the first round in his first game, Reenk has made a positive vote as I suggested, so I'll change my vote unless Hepcat makes a decent argument before time is up.

Unvote: Reenk Roink
Vote: Hepcat

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So he knuckles under to save his skin, and that gets him, a regular abstainer, off the hook? It was a bandwagon vote at that. Sounds like he has a role to protect... mafia perhaps? I'm certainly not going to change my vote just to save my skin- I'll stand on principle.

This isn't to say that I'll never change a vote- I have and likely will do so again, but not without a convincing reason. Seeing as how this is round 1, we're mighty short on convincing reasons.

Voting over.

Stand by for the execution.

As sunset fell in the Frontroom, Chief of Police Beirut stood, looking at his fellow villagers. Two of those people were determined to kill everyone in the town. One of them was working fearlessly to save them.

These townspeople clearly had some old grudges that were brought out. A total of eleven villagers had received votes, and the "winner," Hepcat, had received only five. However, Beirut trusted the citizens enough for them to make the right decision.

At least, he hoped he did.

Hepcat was dragged up to the execution platform, for all to see. He looked extremely nervous. Sweating and looking around for some kind of hope, he began the groveling.

"You've got the wrong guy! I didn't do anything! I'm just a normal old villager! Don't kill another innocent person!"

"SILENCE!" The Chief of Police was angry. "Your fate has already been sealed. There is only one question that remains to be answered."

"A-a-and that i-is...?"

All of a sudden Beirut was pleasant. "Would you like to be decapitated by hacksaw or chainsaw?"

"Uh... chainsaw please."

"An excellent choice!" Beirut revved up the chainsaw and soon the job was done.

"Go back to your homes, people. Let's hope we made the right decision." And so they did.

Here is the voting total for Round 1:

Hepcat: 5 (Sigurd Fafnesbane, Csar, Banquo's Ghost, Reenk Roink, Pannonian) :skull:
Reenk Roink: 3 (Xiahou, AggonyDuck, Crazed Rabbit)
Sigurd Fafnesbane: 2 (Hepcat, Ignoramus)
Silver Rusher: 1 (doc_bean)
Craterus: 1 (Proletariat)
Pannonian: 1 (Kommodus)
Banquo's Ghost: 1 (Sasaki Kojiro)
Divine Wind: 1 (Husar)
Xiahou: 1 (Kagemusha)
discovery1: 1 (Seamus Fermanagh)
Masy: 1 (Divine Wind)

Abstained: 5 (Evil_Maniac From Mars, Masy, theRTWGuru, discovery1, Dutch_guy)
Didn't vote: 7 (Craterus, Silver Rusher, Don Corleone, Destroyer of Hope, Zalmoxis, Drisos, God's Grace)

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Still alive:
Seamus Fermanagh
Pannonian
Kagemusha
Craterus
Xiahou
Silver Rusher
Don Corleone
AggonyDuck
Crazed Rabbit
Ignoramus
Proletariat
Csar
Reenk Roink
Evil_Maniac From Mars
Sasaki Kojiro
Destroyer of Hope
Kommodus
Zalmoxis
Dutch_guy
Banquo's Ghost
Divine Wind
Sigurd Fafnesbane
doc_bean
Husar
Masy
discovery1
Drisos
theRTWGuru
God's Grace

Killed:
UltraWar
Sir Moody

Executed:
Hepcat

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PMs please. You'll find out why I didn't want a tie when the next kills are posted.

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Originally Posted by Xiahou

So he knuckles under to save his skin, and that gets him, a regular abstainer, off the hook? It was a bandwagon vote at that. Sounds like he has a role to protect... mafia perhaps? I'm certainly not going to change my vote just to save my skin- I'll stand on principle.

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People talk big...then they are unjustly accused...

Just for your information, I have made 3 early exits from the past 3 mafia games, I don't want to always sign up and then not play...

I am the detective. I confess.

jaysus, what is it with this game, we've had 3 confessions already.

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Originally Posted by theRTWGuru

I am the detective. I confess.

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No one will believe you. If you were the detective, you would have learnt your lesson from The Godfather Part 2, and not revealed yourself without some useful evidence.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

jaysus, what is it with this game, we've had 3 confessions already.

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Husar suggests he's mafia, RTWGuru claims to be the detective, who else ?

Sigurd claimed mafia as well.

Oh how lovely, I come home after 6 hours of exams and then work for 4 hours to find that I have been lynched. :laugh4:

Oh well, can't say I expected to last long. Still, round 1 of my first mafia game :embarassed:.

Its either a cunning Mafia trick...or their just plain idiots. ~;)

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Sigurd claimed mafia as well.

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That my friend, is a claim taken out of context.

I confess... I am a townie. There.. *sigh* a burden is lifted from my shoulders.

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Originally Posted by Divine Wind

Its either a cunning Mafia trick...or their just plain idiots. ~;)

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You're just mad because I voted for you.~;p

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Originally Posted by Divine Wind

Its either a cunning Mafia trick...or their just plain idiots. ~;)

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It actually works... In The Black Hand 2 I repeatedly told the chatters that I was the Godfather. No-one seemed to believe me. :yes:

I confess, I have been a sinner.

Hail Mary, full of grace....


[Note: for best results, repeat full prayer until you convert to catholicism]

:beam:

FYI, I am going on vacation this Thanksgiving, leaving tomorrow morning and returning Sunday evening.

Hm... I wonder if this has something to do with why GH didn't want a tie vote. Perhaps he's taking a little vacation too?

How many others are off this weekend? I'll be gone Thursday night through Sunday evening as well.

Actually, yes, that is why I didn't want a tie vote.

Voting this round will last from the kills (to be posted later today) until early Saturday.

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

It actually works... In The Black Hand 2 I repeatedly told the chatters that I was the Godfather. No-one seemed to believe me. :yes:

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I was thinking you referred to the Godfather 2...
On the Black Hand 2 you only told me you were inactive and wanted to spice it up a bit after some Godfather 2 had ended, turned out you were spicing it up all the time.:juggle2:

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Originally Posted by Proletariat

How many others are off this weekend? I'll be gone Thursday night through Sunday evening as well.

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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo...
Ok, I won't be here over the weekend, but I may be here.:idea2: :yes:

Damn, Banquo's Ghost, picking up on that Wanaka thing is incredibly fishy. In fact, I am convinced you planted it so you could accuse Hepcat. That a regular person (not from New Zealand) could 1) know something so incredibly specific and have it conveniently come up in the first kills in a game of mafia and 2) link this incredibly obscure piece of information with an entirely different word does not seem at all possible to me. I searched around on google a bit and couldn't even find that. Been on holiday to there before and wanted to make the reference, BG?

Something I believe was picked up on after you stopped playing this game is that people in special roles have a psychological tendency to talk about their roles or give away hints as to their plans. In TG2, and this is the best example that fits with your case, Myrddraal (a mafioso who had just killed Sir Moody while he was in a Cessna Skyhawk) posted this:

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Originally Posted by Myrddraal

Also did anyone else notice this:

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and a Cessna Skyhawk flew into view.

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Reminds me of Osmium and as such should be thoroughly ignored.
http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl...e=UTF-8&tab=wi

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Btw, if you are thinking of voting BG, try to concentrate more on Sasaki's good record than my bad one. He knows what he's talking about.

Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. Most people, disturbed by the previous day's events, had still decided to go by their normal routines, convinced that the threat of the mafia was eliminated.

How wrong they were.

Pannonian’s brow was full of sweat, his fingers lined with dirt, as he worked his field. The simple farmer was so engrossed in his work that he failed to notice a shadowy figure walk up behind him.

“Hello Pannonian,” said the figure, in a cold, malevolent voice.

“Oh God,” Pannonian thought to himself, “It’s too early.” Not having the will to turn around and face the voice, Pannonian tightened his grip on his hoe and got ready to fight or flee.

The shadowy figure chuckled lightly, as if he knew Pannonian’s fear. “My dearest Pannonian, may I ask you some questions?”

Before Pannonian had the chance to respond, the shadowy figure asked: “Why do you do what you do?”

“What do you mean?” Pannonian replied.

The figure responded: “Why engage yourself in this degrading work? Is it not better if one immerses himself in the vast oceans of thought?”

Pannonian turned around and snapped: “This is noble work! I would much rather till the land than waste my life with worthless speculation!”

Only then did Pannonian get a glimpse of the figure. A tall man, with a wide brimmed hat supporting grapes stood before him. Most disturbing was the man’s face, it was as if staring at a void. There was – nothingness.

The man’s voice became loud and insidious: “YOU HAVE INSULTED WHAT THE WANAX HOLDS DEAR, PANNONIAN! YOU HAVE DEFILED HIS SACRED DOMAIN BY MUTILATING IT AND SUFFOCATING IT TO MEET YOUR OWN SELFISH DESIRES!”

The man’s voice dropped back to it’s previous tone: “But The Wanax is able to requite this wrong.”

Pannonian was found dead on his field. Every orifice of his body had been stuffed with manure. By the body was a business card with the words "The Wanax" imprinted on it, as well as a grape watermark.

Meanwhile, Evil_Maniac From Mars was at his house, watching an old BBC television show. He was well-equipped with a comfortable recliner, the remote, some junk food, and beer. This would be a good day. He wouldn't have to get up at all.

And then the doorbell rang.

Cursing to himself, EMFM got off of his recliner and opened the front door. Standing there was a man with sunglasses, wearing a trenchcoat.

"Telegram," the man said.

"Telegram? Do those even exist anymore?"

"Well, obviously they do, or I wouldn't be here, would I?" The man got terse.

"Okay, sheesh. You don't have to be mean to me. Aren't you supposed to read the telegram?"

The man with the trenchcoat grunted. "Very well. If you wish." He cleared his throat and began.

"Oh freddled gruntbuggly,
Thy micturations are to me
As plurdled gabbleblotchits
On a lurgid bee.
Groop, I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes
And hooptiously drangle me
with crinkly bindlewurdles,
Or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon
See if I don't."

EMFM stared at him. "That's it?"

The man with the trenchcoat stared back. "Um... I guess so... I read somewhere where reading that was supposed to kill you."

"Nope, guess not."

"I guess I'll have to resort to Plan B, then," the mafioso said matter-of-factly. He pulled a stiletto out of his trenchcoat, stabbed EMFM in the heart, and departed.

Later that day, Chief of Police Beirut had all the villagers gathered in the town center again.

"Gentlemen," he began, "it seems as if the mafia are still at large in the Frontroom. So, I have no choice but to begin the voting procedure again."

Announcement from GH: As stated before, due to Thanksgiving break the voting will last until Saturday. I want lots of discussion from those who aren't going away, and I wish everyone who is going away a happy Thanksgiving.

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Originally Posted by theRTWGuru

I am the detective. I confess.

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:saint: your unholy blasphemy does not fool me. Vote:theRTWGuru
interpretation: your trying to make us think you are a detective, but your just saying that to save yourself.