The Org Buglist v2

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Originally Posted by Razor1952

Minor bug with a sort of workaround.
Whilst defending send your knights out the gate to catch attacking troops milling around waiting to climb ladders. Your knights cannot target the attacking troops on the ground , but can be sent to walk to an area just beyond the attackers and will then engage these attacking troops. You however cannot get them to charge the attackers.

Presumably once a unit has been assigned to climb the ladder by the ai then it is considered to be " on the wall" and hence not reachable by cavalry.

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I can confirm this. When ordered to attack the big blob of enemies at the base of the ladders, my knights just go "Orders completed, Sir !" and do nothing. They will engage if you walk them really close, but I wouldn't recommend it - I lost quite a few knigths this way, as the "on the ladder" enemies can still retaliate effectively and without the charge bonus and the disengage-and-charge-again movement, the knights will lose against most infantry.

ANOTHER BUG :

The woodsmen guild doesn't always give the archery bonus. After I built the guild in Nottingham, 2-3 of the units I've trained there came out with 0 exp. When I right-clicked them on the recruiting queue, the description card said "experience 1" but when the training was complete the unit had 0 experience. The problem dissapeared after a few turns - the exp. bonus started to apply to the newly trained units. I don't know yet if this is a recurring problem or just happens once the first few turns after you build the woodsmen guild.

I've reached a point where it crashes every time I try to end the turn.

Playing as the Moors, at turn 53. 19 regins controlled, destroyed Spain and Portugal. Teamed up with England to stomp out the French, moving armies east to start my take over of Egypt, completed 3 Jihads.

Was one of the best campaigns I've done so far, but now it'll crash evrytime when I try to end the turn. :wall: ~:angry:

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Originally Posted by Ars Moriendi

The woodsmen guild doesn't always give the archery bonus. After I built the guild in Nottingham, 2-3 of the units I've trained there came out with 0 exp. When I right-clicked them on the recruiting queue, the description card said "experience 1" but when the training was complete the unit had 0 experience. The problem dissapeared after a few turns - the exp. bonus started to apply to the newly trained units. I don't know yet if this is a recurring problem or just happens once the first few turns after you build the woodsmen guild.

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That is a generic problem. Jousting Fields and other buildings that add experience also tend not to grant it beofre you retrain the troops again. And then sometimes they don't even get it then either.

When parts of a unit have left the battle its possible that another part of the unit (only if its far from exiting the battle) becomes untargetable. Had this happen to me on steep terrain and parts of an enemy sipahi unit routed. When I held my cursor over those still near the center of the map, it told me "this unit has left the battle" and i couldn't attack it.

The description for Holy warrior is the same as for Grand Crusader and mentions crusades. Not a good thing.

When defeating a stack and getting the "Enemy army routs" message, the wrong name is displayed there. It displays your army as the one having been routed instead of the enemy's.

Units with the skirmish ability will stop skirmishing, even when still in skirmish mode, if out of ammo. This is annoying when you don't have time to move those units manually right at this moment.

Looking through the released data files, I've noticed a few errors:

- The WifeIsFertile trait has a character type of admiral
- The swift_steed ancillary for diplomats has a health bonus
- There are numerous ancillaries with no triggers, eg. armour_custom, armour_ornate, black_stallion, faithful_servant

This was from some casual browsing, so I've no doubt there's more errors.

Hasn't anyone noticed this or its just me?
Turks don't have speech before battles in campaign.
But Egypt has it working just fine.

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Originally Posted by dopp

Possible bug: losing to Aztecs makes your general hate Denmark for some obscure reason.

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They should leave that one in :laugh4:

AI has lots of trouble withdrawing artillery units, They withdraw then run back pickup the artillery and withdraw again never getting anywhere.

AI can't besiege any fortification with cannon towers as they will willingly let themselves get slaughtered on a sally. Should they only be assaultable due to the towers range?

A couple of small ones, but bugs all the same:

1) On a merchant mission from the Merchant's Guild to takeover an enemy merchant, the mission states, if you succeed you will receive 500 Florins and the Merchant's Guild will be pleased with you and if you fail or don't do it, the Merchant's Guild will be pleased with you. Obviously they've been trading too much wine and they'll be pleased either way!!!

2) I received a mission to assassinate a Witch standing on my territory. Without reading properly I despatched a priest to burn the witch and the mission failed although the witch was dead. I reloaded and repeated task with an assassin and the mission succeeded. It should work either way or be more specific as to how to actually kill the witch.

3) My city Genoa in an England campaign has 100% Catholic, a cardinal and a priest within region, yet my religious unrest is 15% and the public order is 85%. The region above (Milan) owned by the Papal States has 2 Heretics standing around, 23% Heretic religion and their city reports 150% public order. Can anyone explain that?

I looked through this list and didn't see this bug--or maybe I'm not playing the game right.

I only get one princess. I start the game with her and once she's gone I never get another. I watch them grow up in the family tree and as soon as they come of age they get married to one of my generals. I try to dis-allow the marriage but she never appears on the game map.

Have I missed something here?

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Originally Posted by Lord Leonard

A couple of small ones, but bugs all the same:

1) On a merchant mission from the Merchant's Guild to takeover an enemy merchant, the mission states, if you succeed you will receive 500 Florins and the Merchant's Guild will be pleased with you and if you fail or don't do it, the Merchant's Guild will be pleased with you. Obviously they've been trading too much wine and they'll be pleased either way!!!

2) I received a mission to assassinate a Witch standing on my territory. Without reading properly I despatched a priest to burn the witch and the mission failed although the witch was dead. I reloaded and repeated task with an assassin and the mission succeeded. It should work either way or be more specific as to how to actually kill the witch.

3) My city Genoa in an England campaign has 100% Catholic, a cardinal and a priest within region, yet my religious unrest is 15% and the public order is 85%. The region above (Milan) owned by the Papal States has 2 Heretics standing around, 23% Heretic religion and their city reports 150% public order. Can anyone explain that?

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Public order is not solely dictated by religious unrest. There are many other factors at play here.

Regarding the missing princess. When she come of age you will of course have to refuse marriage. Then go to the city/castle her father is in and click on the agents tap. Voila - you have your princess. Sadly the way traits work right now she will very often be a ugly hag and it is very difficult to get her improved charm.

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Originally Posted by Lord Leonard

3) My city Genoa in an England campaign has 100% Catholic, a cardinal and a priest within region, yet my religious unrest is 15% and the public order is 85%. The region above (Milan) owned by the Papal States has 2 Heretics standing around, 23% Heretic religion and their city reports 150% public order. Can anyone explain that?

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That is either Bern or Innsbruck, both of which are castles. Castles almost can't be made to rebel, however 150% loyalty is very low for a castle, so I would say the religious unrest is in fact hitting hard.

Obviously bugged trait triggers:

1. The trigger that promotes priests produced in cathedrals bishops doesn't extend to huge cathedrals. A single > would fix the problem.

2. The BadTaxman trait is awarded if the settlement's tax rate is lower than high. Unfortunately, castles have their tax rate set at normal so governors will always pick up this trait.

3. No way to get the Faithful Servant and Smothering Bodyguard ancilliaries for princesses.

4. No way to get a whole bunch of princess-related traits. Lack of a CharmStarter trait to give princesses some charm to begin with. This is important since there are only 2 ways to gain and lose charm for princesses through actions (diplomatic success and getting assassinated).

5. ReligionStarter trigger for adopted generals, married-in generals and men of the hour is not giving the trait properly, resulting in them all having no piety (starter trait is supposed to give default 3). This may be due to the triggers being cluttered with other traits. The only one that works is the coming of age trigger, and only sometimes. This is most likely due to the fact that LoyaltyStarter is above ReligionStarter in the trigger and both are at 100% chance. The game checks for LoyaltyStarter, awards it and stops. If this is true, then all triggers with 100% chance traits buggy as well, since the game may stop before it hits the 100% trait and will definitely stop after it hits the 100% trait.

6. Pagan magician ancilliary is given when a region is less than 90% of the controlling faction's religion. This results in everyone getting one. Might be a simple typo from too many late nights up.

7. For some reason losing a battle to Aztecs causes you to hate Denmark. Maybe the two are related somehow (it's really a typo).

The Hashashim guild does not give any law bonus to the town its in even though its descript suggests it should. I didn't test whether it actually give bonuses or not, but the building info is missing the law bonus, so it probably won't give any.

Ok, thanks for all the submissions guys.

I'm going to clean this up tomorrow and update the first post, as i really don't feel like trawling through 80 posts of bugs at the moment :P

Just from skim reading, i've picked up a hell of a lot of bugs that need to be reported, and i'm going to do so once i've got around to consolidating them.

Again, thanks for all your help and submissions.

To give even more evidence to a bug I reported earlier regarding regicides:
My old finding was that it didn't give you any relations bonus when at war and abysmal.
This time I tested it on at war + terrible and neutral + terrible. Both times relations didn't increase either, so its definitely bugged. (in addition to having grammar errors in the success message)

And sapi, don't rejoice too early, I might still find more and make you work 25 hours a day instead of 24 ;)

Annex mission doesnt work except for possibly bribing it wich I never tried. I originally bought it for cash and ceasefire = another faction has taken it. Tried exchanging it for 1 city for the target and still doesnt work,wich is explicitly explained just that way in the mission script.

Exchanging cities, the AI gets a free garrison and the human player does'nt.

When artillery has 2 shots left it fires all of its ammo, but when it is down to one shot left it can never fire that last shot. Does the game consider the ammunition empty?

Sally and enemy has artillery, you lose the battle if you exit, even when you destroy all of thier artillery. This is including the fact that all men are back in the city (thier artiilery is destroyed but unit is left). It's also a loss if they fired all shots from thier artillery.

Citadel with cannon towers look like cannon towers but fire ballistas.

Human player does get a free garrison. A few infantry units, based on your barracks level.

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzui

Maybe it's just me, but has anyone else noticed that, there's no indication of the date/season in the campaign map SP?

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I've gone to the trouble of reading the game manual and that's it...
You get a turn count but no date or season!!!:furious3:

Hope the patch can resolve this fault, but doubt it....:wall:

In my Turkish campaign I noticed that I could call a jihad on any non islamic, non rebel region except if it was owned by Hungary. I couldn't call a jihad on any of their provinces, even on turn 1.

I don't now if this is a bug or what, but i trust it's not supposed to look like this.. Look at the ports of cordoba and marrakesh.. On that game i had several more ports/dockyards/shipwrights that looked like that, and also several normal lookin'
https://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?...upportsim9.jpg

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

In my Turkish campaign I noticed that I could call a jihad on any non islamic, non rebel region except if it was owned by Hungary. I couldn't call a jihad on any of their provinces, even on turn 1.

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I second that one, except that I was trying to call a crusade and all the Hungarian cities showed up, even though it wasn't excommed.

Pikemen tend to be a little messed up. Charges often make it past the pikes and cause them to whip out swords and die. Pikemen not engaged directly will continue standing in braced position while their fellows are hacked down right beside them. Ordering a pike unit to attack causes it to walk forward and the front ranks do not engage the enemy. When the back ranks get into attack range they start poking away fine, but the problem is that the front ranks are now too close, switch to swords and die.

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Originally Posted by ersvale the dreadfull

I don't now if this is a bug or what, but i trust it's not supposed to look like this.. Look at the ports of cordoba and marrakesh.. On that game i had several more ports/dockyards/shipwrights that looked like that, and also several normal lookin'
https://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?...upportsim9.jpg

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Cultural difference is all. Muslim ports look different from western european ones.

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Originally Posted by dopp

Human player does get a free garrison. A few infantry units, based on your barracks level.

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tested it and bought a bunch of cities and got a garrison. You don't get the free garrison in an annex mission, or something else is in play here

Loss of sound

I played the Cortez vs Mayans hsitorical battle, and a few seconds into the action, the sound just died. The music, the voiceovers, and the battle sounds all just died.

*Restarting the game had no effect!*
*Restarting the COMPUTER had no effect!*

So now when i run the game, theres no menu music, no game sounds. . I tried changing the sound provider (was using Miles 2D with headphones), apply, but still no change. Ive never messed with any of the .ini files or whatever or anything.

My english campaign is stuck on turn n.º 128!:help:
It recognizes the end turn button but it does not highlight it, so clicking it does nothing, same goes for faction, contruction and mercs purchase button....

:dizzy2: I would'nt mind waiting a bit longer for a game without so many bugs. :furious3:

:wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: Now i gotta restart a new campaign:wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:

The buglist updates are below and in the first post. I'll send them off to CA in a minute or two.

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New Bugs
When the AI has a spy inside a settlement that opens the gates for them, they don't use rams to break down the gates but they also don't make use of them being open.

The game can get stuck in a loop, apparently when both the faction leader and heir are killed in the same battle. Further investigation indicates that this occurs when they are taken prisoner, but the ransom is refused.

Aztec cities sometimes have egyptian architecture !

Some key mapping doesn't work correctly (specifically that to do with binding keys to different speeds).

Sometimes textboxes fail to display correctly during battles, so that only a few letters are readable.

Once a unit has begun to climb a ladder, it can no longer be targeted by cavalry (even though most of the unit is still on the ground.

If new units are added to a jihad (or a crusade?) and it takes the settlement within the next few turns, the game does not count those units (and thus the entire stack) as a jihad army and the mission is failed.

The AI doesn't understand that being in spear wall formation prevents units from hiding, and will operate as if those units were hidden when to the player they are not.

In many cases, ballista towers shoot cannon balls, and cannon towers shoot ballista bolts.

There is an exploit wherein you can move all garrisons with generals in them as part of a crusade on the last turn before its completion and thus get the experience bonus despite not having moved anywhere.

If any of the Timur elephant units lose men in a battle, the game will crash when you try to fight them in the next battle (presumably because the unit won't work without its full compliment of men).

The AI won't sally out of forts.

The AI often doesn't do sea landings, causing a lot of trouble for factions such as the British and the Scots. It also means that they are unable to capture island territories.

Armourer buildings are not giving the correct bonuses (please see post #42 in the new Org buglist for a full explanation, but basically they all add +1 armour despite the different armour levels actually giving far more than that.

Reinforcement units sometimes get 'stuck', half on, half off the map. This mostly occurs with generals bodyguard units and may be to do with the king/heir having a larger unit size than the game allows for with theautodeployment.

Pathfinding for routing/withdrawing units in siege battles is horrible, with men that are literally ten metres from the border of the map running past the defences to withdraw on the other side.

Natural Disasters sometimes prevent you from building forts and watchtowers in the affected province.

Cavalry don't seem to get the experience bonus when trained at castles with jousting/training grounds during initial training (they need to be retrained to get the bonus.

You/the AI are still counted as a faction's ally even if that faction has been destroyed (ie the game is not erasing the ally information for that faction), causing significant problems with attempting to secure future alliances.

Pathfinding in mountain terrain is horrible.

You can often see the hit animation play out for units with only one hitpoint and yet not see them die.

Diplomats/Princesses lose all trait points in their diplomatic ability trait if they fail a negotiation instead of just getting a trait decrease by 1.

Agents and armies can move on top of each other and thus displace the other character that was on that coordinate, preventing characters such as merchants from earning an income and moving your characters away from their intended targets.

The 'wary of rebels' trait's description reads 'no effect'.

When you've ordered a spy to move into a city (over multiple turns) and that city is besieged, the spy can still move in and bypass the siege restriction during your automated movement phase at the end of your turn.

Captured captains show up as a member of the unit of which they were a part on the ransom screen.

Generals bodygurads without a leader show up for ransom (as an aside to this point, it'd be nice to have an option to 'ransom nobility' to keep the price down).

The 'annex settlement' mission doesn't seem to work correctly.

Generals can get traits about wives when they're not married.

Spelling error in the details of "Your forces melt away"

Grammar error in the details of a successful Regicide mission.

Like the diplomatic traits, the 'chivalrous ruler' trait can be lost very quickly (for example by leaving him in a town with high tax rates)

Knight Hospitaler trained from a HQ do not gain the promised experience bonus.

Militia cavalry sometimes can't be retrained in the city they have been recruited in.

A successful regicide mission doesn't raise the relations between the factions as it should.

Attacking Orthodox factions while on crusades will drastically kill your relations with the pope.

Cancelling an alliance lowers your reputation, defeating the point of doing so (it's the same as just attacking without warning).

Retraining a full strength unit (to improve its armour, for example) will still take a unit away from the recruitment pool.

If a family member comes of age in a fleet which already has 20 units in it, the fleet vanishes, and can only be recovered by moving another ship close by and using the faction members panel to locate and move the prince.

An AI army that is forced to fight to the death sometimes tries to withdraw (and is destroyed).

Several options in the config file (such as editor and movies) are overwritten by the exe on game startup and thus cannot be changed for good.

Elephants can capture a gatehouse from outside the city.

AI reinforcements rarely work together with the main force and often let themselves be defeated in detail.

The AI doesn't move their general out of artillery range when he's under attack, so he often gets killed before the battle is joined.

The 'man of the hour' event never seems to trigger in sallies, siege battles and when the army never moves out of the town (ie for an enemy/rebel army within one step of the settlement).

There seems to be a significant balance issue with 'forlorn hope' (see post #69)

Buildings can get damaged in a siege battle that is autoresolved despite the absence of artillery.

There seems to be no real reason not to sack a settlement rather than occupy it. If it does generate unrest then the penalties seem to be too small.

The vices that can be gained from being in cities have a ridiculously high chance of being gained when how many a general is eligible for and how long he stays in the city are taken into effect.

Losing to the aztecs can make your general hate Denmark !

Generals are still suicidal in sieges.

The AI sometimes 'freezes' during sieges, and their units simply stand still for the remainder of the battle.

Adding agents to a crusade removes its movement bonus.

Religious unrest and general unrest sometimes behave strangely (see post #79)

The description for Holy warrior is the same as for Grand Crusader and mentions crusades.

There are numerous ancillaries with no triggers, eg. armour_custom, armour_ornate, black_stallion, faithful_servant

AI has lots of trouble withdrawing artillery units, They withdraw then run back pickup the artillery and withdraw again never getting anywhere.

AI can't besiege any fortification with cannon towers as they will willingly let themselves get slaughtered on a sally. Should they only be assaultable due to the towers range?

On a merchant mission from the Merchant's Guild to takeover an enemy merchant, the mission states, if you succeed you will receive 500 Florins and the Merchant's Guild will be pleased with you and if you fail or don't do it, the Merchant's Guild will be pleased with you. Obviously they've been trading too much wine and they'll be pleased either way!!!

Assassination missions (such as assassinate witch x) fail if you kill the unit in any other way (such as burning it at the stake or killing it in battle).

The trigger that promotes priests produced in cathedrals to bishops doesn't extend to huge cathedrals.

(the next three are quoted from post #94)
There's no way to get a whole bunch of princess-related traits. Lack of a CharmStarter trait to give princesses some charm to begin with. This is important since there are only 2 ways to gain and lose charm for princesses through actions (diplomatic success and getting assassinated).

ReligionStarter trigger for adopted generals, married-in generals and men of the hour is not giving the trait properly, resulting in them all having no piety (starter trait is supposed to give default 3). This may be due to the triggers being cluttered with other traits. The only one that works is the coming of age trigger, and only sometimes. This is most likely due to the fact that LoyaltyStarter is above ReligionStarter in the trigger and both are at 100% chance. The game checks for LoyaltyStarter, awards it and stops. If this is true, then all triggers with 100% chance traits buggy as well, since the game may stop before it hits the 100% trait and will definitely stop after it hits the 100% trait.

Pagan magician ancilliary is given when a region is less than 90% of the controlling faction's religion. This results in everyone getting one. Might be a simple typo from too many late nights up.

The Hashashim guild building description doesn't mention any bonus to law.

When artillery has 2 shots left it fires all of its ammo, but when it is down to one shot left it can never fire that last shot. Does the game consider the ammunition empty?

If you sally and enemy has artillery, you lose the battle if you exit, even when you destroy all of their artillery. This is including the fact that all men are back in the city (their artillery is destroyed but unit is left). It's also a loss if they fired all shots from thier artillery.

There are several bugs with choosing the city you call a crusade upon (see post #103)

(quoted from post #103)
Pikemen tend to be a little messed up. Charges often make it past the pikes and cause them to whip out swords and die. Pikemen not engaged directly will continue standing in braced position while their fellows are hacked down right beside them. Ordering a pike unit to attack causes it to walk forward and the front ranks do not engage the enemy. When the back ranks get into attack range they start poking away fine, but the problem is that the front ranks are now too close, switch to swords and die.

Just as an addendum to the religious unrest behaving strangely: (#79)
It happened only in my designated capital and only if it had a governor inside. When I moved the governor out, the religious unrest disappears. This is odd because my governor in both campaigns did have piety but no negative traits at all.

And general unrest behaving strangely:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=74517
I refuted the theory that it was spies causing it, because I did a quick test whereby I moved 10 spies into an affected settlement, cheated them up to 10 subterfuge each and then ended turn 5 times without doing anything else. After 5 turns the (general) unrest still remained at 15% for no reason. The unrest seems to affect most of the settlements you have owned for a while, some newly captured ones don't usually seem to have it from what i've seen. So yes, behaving strangely

Erm forgot in my post above:
Great work reading through all those posts and putting together a nice list :)

I just remembered a few more:
To confirm #134orgbuglist (in your first post), I also noticed that sometimes if you click "attempt night attack", then uncheck and recheck, it might cause the game to crash due to an unspecified error.

Archers/crossbowmen have big troubles killing the last man in a unit. I had 8 horse archers and 5 merc crossbowmen on two different occassions trying to shoot the last archer in an archer unit and they needed altogether some 5-6 volleys to kill him. While I was zoomed in to watch this, I noticed that single man was hit repeatedly (hit animation as noted in the "new bugs") but didn't die. He took some 50 something hits before finally dying... Also, besides the last man having some weird issue with its hitpoints, the ranged attackers shooting him are highly inaccurate (I mean its just 1 man left, sure less targets but you can focus on him)

Follow-up to Jihad targets (not on your list, you only mentioned crusade targets):

It lists rebel towns in the middle east preferentially and then fills up with captial cities of non islam nations. However, it has a limit to how much it can display (8 or 10 cities i think), so you may not be able to wage jihad on a target of your choice. Actually, even if you take all those rebel towns and only true factions are left, you cannot wage jihad on some factions because their city is not on the list due to the limitation. Since there doesn't seem to be a criteria for what makes a city more jihadable than another (why is Edinburgh there but not Budapest or Krakow), it should show all non islam capital cities without the arbitrary limit. It doesn't have a limit for crusades, so why for jihad?

You can't sail down the coast of Africa past Marakeesh, but there's a pirate fleet trapped there. If the player owns Marakeesh or Arguin and thus extends his vision that far, he is treated to the sight of the trapped pirates trying to sail away and failing every single turn for the rest of the miserable game. Drives one nuts.

Reloading a game will cause any provinces hit by natural disasters that turn to become bugged. This prevents you from building watchtowers and forts there until another natural disaster hits.

AI hires mercanary ships in lakes

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Cultural difference is all. Muslim ports look different from western european ones.

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Hey factionheir! Did you look at the picture?!!
https://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?...upportsim9.jpg
The ports are not supposed too look like that, and i don't care how muslim they are.. Btw look at Granada, thats was a moorish port, but it looks perfectly normal.. Besides, i had the same problem with the ports in Marseille,
https://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?...llealsobp4.jpg
and Bologna
https://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?...gnaalsosq8.jpg
and they're not muslim ports..
At first i thought it was a bug that occured when shipwrights were upgraded to dockyards, but then it must only apply for me, because the computer upgraded the port in Thessalonica to a Dockyard and that looked perfectly normal..
https://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?...lookinghl8.jpg
Maybe it's got something to do with the video settings, i'm just wondering if anyone else has had this problem or if it's only me...:furious3:

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Originally Posted by ersvale the dreadfull

Hey factionheir! Did you look at the picture?!!

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Yes I did and it only had some cultural differences when I looked at it.
Your new shots are more clear on what you mean however.
Is it that your docks look somewhat empty? (without the mini city?) Or is it something else? You need to specifiy what is different, not just state that it is different.

I didn't have this problem though, so I can't help you further

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Is it that your docks look somewhat empty? (without the mini city?) Or is it something else? You need to specifiy what is different, not just state that it is different.

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I'm sorry, i thought it was obvious. The graphics seem to be jammed somewhere between shipwright and dockyard, with both shipwright and dockyard walls around it. Also, as you so eloquently put it factionheir, the docks look somewhat empty.:yes:

Just trying to contribute some possible bugs..

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

And general unrest behaving strangely:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=74517
I refuted the theory that it was spies causing it, because I did a quick test whereby I moved 10 spies into an affected settlement, cheated them up to 10 subterfuge each and then ended turn 5 times without doing anything else. After 5 turns the (general) unrest still remained at 15% for no reason. The unrest seems to affect most of the settlements you have owned for a while, some newly captured ones don't usually seem to have it from what i've seen. So yes, behaving strangely

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Yep. Got it too. Are there any more people with this same thing?

I just noticed another serious bug:

I'm playing my new campaign as the moors (vh/vh) and had eliminated my ally portugal using assassins. Now I moved a spy into the rebel settlement lisbon (as they are eliminated). This spy has subterfuge 10.
A few turns later I take Lisbon with an army. What I notice is that the settlement now ahs a permanent 40% general unrest even after I moved my spy out.
Could it be that there is some problem with erasing unrest from a rebel settlement that you had infiltrated using a spy a few turns ago? I didn't notice this before anywhere else, so it could be rare or coincidence?

Sapi, you missed this from my post #42 in this topic:

-Merchants trained when I had the merchants HQ and a master assassins guild would give a newly trained merchant the "merchants guild apprentice" trait which somehow related to the master assassins guild descript and gave "+1 to agent's skill". You would also expect a journeyman for the HQ in that respect, so its likely that there is some overlap in the triggers for merchants guild / assassins guild.

I just got reminded by this of another topic which popped up in the citadel.

Another one:

Theologians guild descript is the same for all factions. However, for orthodox and muslim factions, it does not make much sense if they had to study the bible before meeting the pope...

Captured AI asassins give no message or who did it, the AI knows when you fail via death of your asassin.

And Forlorn Hope still lack their extra HP....

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Sapi, you missed this from my post #42 in this topic:

-Merchants trained when I had the merchants HQ and a master assassins guild would give a newly trained merchant the "merchants guild apprentice" trait which somehow related to the master assassins guild descript and gave "+1 to agent's skill". You would also expect a journeyman for the HQ in that respect, so its likely that there is some overlap in the triggers for merchants guild / assassins guild.

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I'll look at the other ones later, but just to answer this - it's in the original buglist.

i don't know if it is a bug or not, since i don't see it up there, but i experience severe lag on all sieges of fortresses and citadels, as well as Large Cities when there are 600-800 and up total soldiers in the battle.

my system specs:

XP Media Center SP2
1gig PC3200ddr
Athlon 3500+
NVIDIA GeForce 6600GT

it doesn't seem right that i can handle 1,800 soldiers in a field or mountains, but i can't handle 600 in a late period siege battle with all graphics options turned to their lowest possbile settings...

I get the same thing - i think its' a problem with the buliding textures or the ai, using excessive cpu time

Broken savegame. It works ok upon reloading, but crash to dektop when I hit "end turn" with a message saying something like "unspecified error". Previous saves work fine, just not my latest one in an english campaign.
I've seen other people in this thread complaining about end turn issues or save files, but not this one, I think...

Yeah me too. Check the second link in my sig..and its not just my system :)

My post above was meant to address mor dan and sapi.

Here's one.

I think the active ability of marriage is bugged. For example, if you start a campaign as France and you send your princess to Caen, you can use the marriage ability to try and steal Robert from England and bring him into your family. If you are successful, Robert will step outside Caen and join the French faction, however, I think now he should be a member of the French family and appear on your family tree - but he doesn't. It will say French family member when you click on him, and he will have royal ties etc but won't appear on the tree. Then, I started to get weird "New Family member" messages every round. A new baby seemed to emerge, but the surname was seemingly random like "de Calais" etc. No new child appeared on the tree again.

A bug this is... I am certain of it...

If Musashi is correct:-

I have not tried a faction heir yet.. but if they do join your family, then maybe there is a bug and they switched the trigger to join your family tree "wrongly" from generals to faction heir. So generals dont join and faction heirs do.. should be other round methinks...

Don't know if I mentioned this before (can't find it). Gunpowder upgrades at university give bonus melee attack instead.

British can build military academy and get gunpowder associated traits and retinues before gunpowder is even developed.

Diplomacy bug:
When the balance is on "balanced", the AI will often reject (just reject) by saying that the offer is too generous and they would owe me too much. However, then I make the offer even more generous, they actually accept...shouldn't the AI say that they don't like the terms instead then?
Or could it be that they couldn't meet those terms and auto-default onto "too generous"?

Bug or intentional?:

Christian factions can retrain almost all mercenaries (save crusader units).
Muslim factions can only retrain merc spearmen, bulgarian brigands and salv mercenaries? (maybe a few more, but much less than christians)
I mean muslim factions can't even retrain mercs they get in their own area while christians can! (alan merc cav, armenian heavy cav, merc crossbows...)

Related to the starting piety bug: becoming a king makes you lose the starting piety again.

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Originally Posted by dokparstal

another critical bug is that gunpowder units such as musketeers and arquebusiers and handgunners' REFORMING BUG!

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Hi sapi !

I can confirm this, after about an hour of tests last night.

Sometimes musketeers under fire will perpetually try to reform going back and forth back and forth without shooting back.

Forgive me if I missed this in the list, but I did'nt pick it up.

This is a MAJOR bug.

The consquence of which is players who wait a long time to use gunpowder unist in campaign are severly handicapped. It's extremely disappointing and is a show stopper. It's likely to produce many, many unsatisfied customers.

If I need to produce any evidence of the bug let me know. But basically anyone can see it. You need a musket unit and have it get shot up by 2 or more units intermittently. It will be stuck in a reform loop, it will fire back only very rarely. It WILL fire back back not half as much as it should.

I wonder if this is a feature, I think not, because even one man dying per every few enemy volleys can severely disrupt the musket formation.

They also don't seem to work at all 50% of the time actually.

Sometimes depending on the rows and columns of their formation, they simply won't shoot. Case in point is city walls where they have an awesome position from which to destory the enemy, they won't shoot in most cases.

They also seem to sometimes shoot through buildings in siege situations (talk about reversal of fortune).

Lastly there is also a bug with the fire command on these units. If you order them to shoot, about 20% of the time they will just stand there and they won't shoot, even thoguh the enemy is plainly standing there too about 50 meters away in beautiful formation ideal for the killing. If you switch on auto fire they probably will shoot, eventually.

The firing sequence has issues.

These essentially mean players have to contend with a late period unit for which they have waited long and can't use, issues with muskets, need to be addressed by the developers.

A kind of funny one...

When using "Total war" view, in the French version of the game, the camera keys relate to a "qwerty" keyboard, and the other contros use an "azerty" keyboard.

That means I can give two different orders using one key!

Louis,

Sacre Bleu !!! Le French Zhey Have Everyyythiing !!

Sometimes during battles the sound gets set to Muted? I also noticed it in RTW back then,. Happened sometimes when alt-doubleclicking with a missile cavalry unit, but am not sure if it also happened with others. Anyway, it happens occasionally :P

A very, very few things that I don’t think are bugs:

Updated 10/12 AEST


"Natural Disasters sometimes prevent you from building forts and watchtowers in the affected province."

Well, if there’s a flood or an earthquake going on … or if it wiped out the tower you just built …

“Attacking Orthodox factions while on crusades will drastically kill your relations with the pope.”

Those Orthodox may be misguided members of the flock from the Catholic point of view, but they’re still Christians. Muslim factions aren’t allowed to attack other Muslims at all while on Jihad, period.

“Cancelling an alliance lowers your reputation, defeating the point of doing so (it's the same as just attacking without warning).”

Except that it doesn’t get you in a war. You can still trade with the former ally, for instance.

“Retraining a full strength unit (to improve its armour, for example) will still take a unit away from the recruitment pool.”

I don’t have a problem with that at all. They’re taking the armorers attention, for instance.

“Archers seemingly do no damage in heavy rain.”

Wet bows. Wet bowstrings. Water in your face ...

“Relations with x have worsened' notices appear when you're at war with faction x.

Making it more difficult and costly to negotiate peace.

Also, on this one:

“Troops with two handed weapons (eg. billmen, varangian guard) don't seem to fight well in melee(at all, in fact - from what i can see they'll only make a kill if they're attacked and the enemy fails to make one), but work effectively on the opening charge.”

Pilgrims seem to have the same problem.

Hopefully someone has already reported these two bugs related to the plague.

1. I am playing as Venice, hard/very hard. When a city has the plague, any understrength units within the city is automatically retrained. I have double-checked settings to ensure I don't have any troops set for retraining. Yet any understrength troops are retrained to full strength anyway.

Considering the size of Venice by this stage of the game, the retraining can cost quite a bit of money. During the plague, money is very tight and retraining troops is not a good use of the money.

2. I have also noticed that troops with the plague do not display the plague marker which makes it very difficult to prevent the spread of plague.

Not sure if this has been mentioned already.

Sounds

Archers seem to have infantry marching sound and infantry seem to have Archers marching sound.

Archers make the intimidating 'crunch crunch crunch' noise as they march, wereas infantry just rattle and barely make a noise.

The Mongols

In my game the mongols just parked above the black sea, until about 50 years later I sent a scout to check them out. Then they rampaged across Eastern Europe.

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A very, very few things that I don’t think are bugs:

Updated 10/12 AEST


"Natural Disasters sometimes prevent you from building forts and watchtowers in the affected province."

Well, if there’s a flood or an earthquake going on … or if it wiped out the tower you just built …

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Yes, but they stop you building in that province forever (or at least until another one occurs)

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“Attacking Orthodox factions while on crusades will drastically kill your relations with the pope.”

Those Orthodox may be misguided members of the flock from the Catholic point of view, but they’re still Christians. Muslim factions aren’t allowed to attack other Muslims at all while on Jihad, period.

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Yes, but having a different set of papal relation-damaging actions when on crusade and off seems a bit silly.

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“Cancelling an alliance lowers your reputation, defeating the point of doing so (it's the same as just attacking without warning).”

Except that it doesn’t get you in a war. You can still trade with the former ally, for instance.

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Yes, but the example in question is if you want to go to war with that nation but dont' want to betray them.

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“Retraining a full strength unit (to improve its armour, for example) will still take a unit away from the recruitment pool.”

I don’t have a problem with that at all. They’re taking the armorers attention, for instance.

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I've got no problem with it either except that the recruitment pool measures men, not an armourer's attention.

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“Archers seemingly do no damage in heavy rain.”

Wet bows. Wet bowstrings. Water in your face ...

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The hit animations still play.

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“Relations with x have worsened' notices appear when you're at war with faction x.

Making it more difficult and costly to negotiate peace.

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Yes, but you'd think your relations would hit rock bottom when you attack them, wouldn't you?

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Also, on this one:

“Troops with two handed weapons (eg. billmen, varangian guard) don't seem to fight well in melee(at all, in fact - from what i can see they'll only make a kill if they're attacked and the enemy fails to make one), but work effectively on the opening charge.”

Pilgrims seem to have the same problem.

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Don't they use clubs? Maybe that's regarded as a 2h weapon...

Pilgrims don't have the problem from what I know as they use daggers. Religious fanatics use 2 handed clubs though, same as the jihad mutww something.

Another bug:
When you tell crossbowmen (noticd thismainly commanding merc xbows) to move, they will continue reloading and then fire an empty volley (mock firing with sound) before the move. This can take very long and make them sitting ducks. Why do they reload and do an empty volley anyway when you tell them to move right after they all took their shot?
Further, when they currently are firing or about to fire and you press "stop", they all finish their current volley and fire an empty one as well.

Sorry if someone's mentioned this already;

I've seen a bug several times when attacking a city/castle if a defending unit routes while outside the main wall or in the outer area of a 2 teir fortress/citadel. If you chase them and have a unit quite close when they reach the gatehouse, the doors don't open and the unit gets stuck stood just outside the gate, even if the unit chasing them withdraws. The routing unit cannot be properly attacked either, any units set to engage them will stand a few yards behind them and mill around until someone accidentally walks into an enemy soldier and attacks them.

I can confirm what PureFodder says. Have seen it only twice before though bc i usually auto resolve sieges.
Happened mostly when the enemy for some reason moved his cav out of the gate and let it stand there till it routs but then it won't open the gate for it and I can't attack it.

The AI can get Man of the Hour (even in RTW, but still in M2TW) without fighting battles.
I noticed this when I assassinated one of his family members in the middle of nowhere and there weren't any rebel or other stacks around. Next turn the stack is led by a new family member again, aged 20-21.

I assume this is a bug and not a feature.

When an enemy army decides to assault one of your settlements, by having diplomats/prests/spies/assassins in the enemy territory you can see their planned route (the big blue arrow) of the enemy army all the way to your settlement even when it's going to take several turns for them to get there. Even if you then use this information to massively re-enforce the settlement the computer still follows it's attack order resulting in the enemy sneak attacks being utterly non-sneaky and disastrous for them.

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

The AI can get Man of the Hour (even in RTW, but still in M2TW) without fighting battles.
I noticed this when I assassinated one of his family members in the middle of nowhere and there weren't any rebel or other stacks around. Next turn the stack is led by a new family member again, aged 20-21.

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Adoption...

The AI plays it's turn after you, so it will be able to respond at once.

You cannot adopt a captain though. THe adopted ones will always show up at the family member who adopted them or next to him.
But if I kill the leader of a crusading army for example and the AI just replaces him mysteriously next turn and keeps going, then something's wrong.

I can't adopt someone in the field either if I don't have a family member nearby.

Add to the list:

Lag/major slowdown on campaign map. Details in the second link of my sig. Got several people having the same problem now and it seems to occur on both low and high end rigs.

I can second the campaign map lag. I tried everything and even on extremely low settings it happens sometimes. Seems like a memory leak maybe ?

sapi I'd like to add this as an enhancement for the February update:

There is no road connection between Constantinople-Trebizond, no road connection between Nicea-Trebizond.

I've done research on this and there was indeed a road connection between the two passing through what is the first northern valley on the MTW2 campaign map, between Trebizond and Nicea.

Naturally there was also a road connection between Nicea and Trebizond.

I don't know why those connections are missing but it would be a nice little addition if they were there.

This is not a major issue, hence I'd like to add it as an enhancement, rather than a bug, it is however an inaccuracy.

Thanks.

Thanks to sapi for the prompt and full replies. More about those later. First off, I've also seen the campaign map slowdown and reported it on the technical forum soon after getting the game. Seems to hit after hours of sustained gamplay for me, making me think it's a memory leak problem again. Quitting the game and restarting the computer fixes it every time. Saving the game first is clunky, but can be done. Oddly, though, Windows XP has a hard time shutting down after this crops up. You get "program not responding" error messages after MTW2 has quit for things like Explorer and msnmgr, things I thought I'd shut off and wasn't using.

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On the other, I used the word "pilgrims" when I meant "fanatics." I paid closer attention after reading about the two-handed problem with other units. The next time I had a Jihad siege battle against cheap spear units, I discovered that my best, hardest fighting unit of Muslim fanatics fought and fought and fought — achieving a grand total of six kills, which I presume they got in their initial charge. And yes, they do use a club, so it could be a two-handed weapon.

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I stand corrected on the natural disasters issue. I also obviously misunderstood the "archers in the rain" problem. If they're not getting hits that count, then the animation showing them getting hits should be fixed if practical.

I'm not convinced on the rest, but it's not worth arguing about. I will do sapi the courtesy of answering the question on “rock bottom.” I’d point out that there’s war, then there’s “war to the knife.” If a powerful neighbor attacks me, I want peace but will defend myself, and expect an AI to do the same. If I want to wipe a faction off the map, that’s different.

Clausewitz would agree with me. :clown:

sapi it seems there's another two blatant errors (?) on the Anatolian map, so blatant that I'm amazed how I did'nt spot it before. I think the graphics and general awe of the game had me completely spellbound.

There is no road connection between Caesarea and Yerevan.
There is no road connection between Caesarea and Trebizond.

This later missing link is pretty serious from a geological/historical point of view, because there exits a road that has been a major highway for transporting silk from China. In a gameplay sense of course, it would make things a lot better for anyone in Anatolia.

I do understand the abstraction taking place on the campaign map, and the scale is not symetrical in all areas of the map. Anyway ingame there has to be a link between Georgia and Trebizond (Trabzon) as well as Caesarea and Trebizond. Specially because the entire state of Armenia and Georgia is abstracted, it just can't be without road links, LMAO.

I'd like to add these two to the list for the February update as well, as an enhancement.

Thanks !

Ok, thanks guys.

I'll update the list later today, after i've got around to setting up a wireless network at home :)

Cause it seems it is not addressed in the first patch:

as it should be:
port: Increase tradeable goods + 'ships'
Shipwright: Increase tradeable goods + 'ships'
Dockyard: Increase tradeable goods + 'ships'
Naval Drydock: Increase tradeable goods + 'ships'

Merchant's Wharf: Trade fleets available 1 + Increase tradeable goods
Warehouse: Trade fleets available 2 + Increase tradeable goods
Docklands: Trade fleets available 3 + Increase tradeable goods


as it is now:
port: Trade fleets available 1 + Increase tradeable goods + 'ships'
Shipwright: Trade fleets available 2 + Increase tradeable goods + 'ships'
Dockyard: Trade fleets available 3 + Increase tradeable goods + 'ships'
Naval Drydock: Trade fleets available 3 + Increase tradeable goods + 'ships'

Merchant's Wharf: Increase tradeable goods (?)
Warehouse: Increase tradeable goods (?)
Docklands: Increase tradeable goods (?)

Interesting:
In export_descr_buildings.txt (provided by CA) it is correct implemented.
So, I'm not sure if it is fixed in the new build.

sapi, do you want me to go through the previous list and the ones you have not sent yet to round up all the stuff you can send to CA? :)

There's nothing on the front page i haven't sent (i just haven't updated the titles).

I'm also supposed to use a new reporting system, and that coupled with errors on teh wireless i was supposed to set up today mean i'll have to update this tomorrow.

Thanks for the offer anyway mate, but i'll be able to do it fine myself, i think.

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I'm not convinced on the rest, but it's not worth arguing about. I will do sapi the courtesy of answering the question on “rock bottom.” I’d point out that there’s war, then there’s “war to the knife.” If a powerful neighbor attacks me, I want peace but will defend myself, and expect an AI to do the same. If I want to wipe a faction off the map, that’s different.

Clausewitz would agree with me. :clown:

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I think I understand what you are at, If the pope gives me a cease hostilities action I can still attack that factions armies in my own territories, on top of that I can attack an enemy fleet if it is blocading a port of mine and all of this with no repurcussions. So what Doug is saying that relations worsen when he is defending/ relieving a siege/blockade.

Edit: forgot to add marriage alliances don't work properly on very hard and possibly hard difficulties. Relations will worsen just as fast as they do with a neutral nation. The same goes for regular alliances of course.

Like a few others, I also sometimes experience lag on the campaign map. The main thread on this problem can be found here - though I'll outline what I've managed to pull from various postings for the sake of convenience:

- This problem is characterized by the game being sluggish graphically on the campaign map. Scrolls open slowly, notifications fall slowly, scrolling the map is jerky and slow. Basically, it's a lot like bullet-time in The Matrix, but jerkier.

- It seemingly can occur at any time. For me it happens mostly when a turn of mine begins. Not each time one begins, but if it is going to that's usually when it starts. I haven't yet had it happen as soon as I start a campaign, but others report that it can, and also due to seemingly minor events like removing a building from the queue in a settlement.

- It affects about 80% of the map area. The less affected areas seem to be less graphically intense areas: edges of the map, oceans, or any simple areas with little geography or game elements (cities, armies, agents, etc). This seems to suggest the problem is graphical in nature.

- The slowdown is not to a consistent level: I've had it barely noticeable, all the way to nearly impossible to move the mouse, with the exact same area on the map visible on screen, so one would imagine that some game-related factor is affecting the severity of the problem.

- It appears to be independent of hardware, as people with low- and high-end rigs have reported the problem at what appears to be the same severity level.

That's what I've managed to conclude so far about the nature of the problem. Concerning solutions, it appears that saving, quitting, then reloading the game invariably fixes it, so it can't be just about what's on the screen graphically: the game must be doing something to cause things to grind down like they do. I myself have had success alt-tabbing to the desktop then back to the game, which relieves the campaign map lag temporarily, however others do not appear to have similar results here.

Given my observations of the problem in action, I would suggest the game is hogging memory, or else processor time. This would indicate a memory leak, or some sort of out of control process cycling. Of course something less immediately obvious like data accesses could be the culprit if the game is slowed down waiting for data it needs all the time, but there's no real way for me to determine any of that so I leave it for someone else...

With your idea of a memory leak, what does your memory usage look like when you get the problem (quit the game, hit ctrl+alt+del, go to the performance tab and look at peak memory usage)?

I've found a nice if unlikely hiccup if an enemy decides to withdraw from the battle and you have a reinforcement army waiting on the edge of the map. There's an oh so slim chance that the enemy will withdraw its units directly towards the units waiting off the map. If so, when they reach the edge they get stuck on the edge of the battlefield trying to walk through the off map units.

These are then ripe for the slaughter :laugh4: .