Heavy infantry. I just like their shields, and swords.:smash:
I hate archers, but not horse archers.
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Heavy infantry. I just like their shields, and swords.:smash:
I hate archers, but not horse archers.
In one of my early campaigns as the Julii I sent my most experienced army into Macedon. I also had a couple of units of archers in this army. All of my tactics are heavily dependant on missile units, especially archer units. Since I was far away from my advanced military bases, my archer units started getting depleted (I always try to protect them as much as possible)
Somewhere in the Macedonian teritories I happened upon a band of Mercenary Cretan Archers. What a relief! So, I combined all my depleted archery units and added my new Cretan Archers.
The next battle I was defending against a large Macedonian force that contained their faction leader and two additional family members. They were going all out to stop the Roman threat in their lands.
My troops were lined up in a defensive formation, with all my archers poised and ready to unload buckets of arrows on the enemy. As we were waiting for the Macedonians to approach, I suddenly and quite unexpectedly noticed that one of my archer units were firing very early... It was those Cretans!
Their superior range and firepower quickly outshined all of my - experienced - Roman Archers. I was amazed!
As the Mecedonian King proudly made his way up the hill we were defending, he drew the attention of my Cretans. On that day he was shot right out of his saddle by the mercenaries, before he could even charge!
After that battle my general scoured the Greek country side for more of these Cretans, thusly replacing the Roman Archers. These mercenaries played a pivotal role in passifying the Greek peoples and securing the region for the glory of Rome!
Since then I have had a tremendous soft spot for these skilled bowmen. In fact, I am a loyal fan and can never pass up an opportunity to hire any of them as any faction.
This has been a long post (sorry for that), so let me end by saying:
Cretan Aaaarchers!!
Anything with great armour...
Armour is great, that pretty much it.
I'm torn between Dacian Shock Troops and Persian Archers... Well, basically stuff that can run fast, hit home hard, and cause a lot of damage in a short time.
MTW2 - Cossack Musketeers
I just fought a seige assault against the papal dog, the papal army was very strong, loads of swiss guard & dismounted broken lances. I had 1 cossack musketeer get 694 kills & they still had ammo left & lost no men:dizzy2:
BI - Plumbattarii(probably spelt wrong)
The animation looked really good & you could see the stored darts on the inside of their shields. I think they are probably the best unit in a TW game as they where strong heavy infantry with good stats that had an amazing missile attack & plenty of ammo.
VI - Joms no need to say more especially when the unit got the pride vice.
MTW - JHI or CFK
STW MI - Mongol heavy cav or for normal campaign Nag cav where a great addition
STW - Samurai archers simply awesome in mass with weather permitting:wall:
Any kind of phalanx infantry really, but especially Armoured Hoplites. Ok, ok, Spartans may seem better, but my strategy is to use my hoplites to engage enemy, and when they rout (after impaling themselves like idiots with their initial charge and losing their entire first rank of men in one second flat) I chase them down with my cavalry. It works better with Armoured Hoplites because of their higher defense value. I also like Militia Hoplites alot. They seem wildly imbalanced to me because of the fact that they can beat most, if not all, tier one and two infantry, and because they can be obtained so early and easily.
Yeah I love Sword and Buckler men. They are cheaper (inc. upkeep) than knights, have the same excellent stats as Dismounted Knights and have +2 Morale over Knights. They are the perfect offensive infantry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maurus
I just have MTV+VI
Favourite units:
- Steppe Heavy Cavalry : Very nice, first fire all the arrows, and then charge the enemy!
- Huscarls : Well armoured, angry vikings with axes, does anything cooler exist?:viking:
- Szekely : Fast, good horsearchers, and not as good as dead if forced into melee.
Would be my only favourite, if the computer would be able to skirmish without pertmanent personal control.:dizzy2:
for rtw probally parthian cataphract's :bow:
for stw: warrior monks
for mtw: varangians
for rtw: forester warband
for EB: agriani (getic mountain archers)
in real life: ninjas
Speaking from a R:TW perspective: As much as possible, I NEVER send an army on a mission without ranged missile (archer) support. As attested to by others on this thread, used effectively, they can really soften up your opponent prior to engagement with your main battle line.
And then again... going into battle without 2 or 3 units of legionary cavalry is asking for trouble...
Wow you guys, you are doing great we have done 4 pages already, well on our 4th anyway good job
sincerly .................. warking .......................:2thumbsup:
My favorite units are Highland Nobles and Norse War Clerics. You might laugh at these but I have only played short campaigns as Danes and Scots. I also like Scots Pike Militia, Norse Swordsmen and Noble Pikemen.
Mine would be Seleucid Cataphract from RTW
my mighty full stack cataphract army killed any AI army on field battle 5 min or less
that was fun
I don't really have a fave unit specifically but rather I just love it when a good battlefield plan bears fruit.
Like having the enemy target my schiltroms while my heavy infantry flank around it and engage from the sides. Then my cav who have been flanking hit from the rear.
This is all while archers are pouring arrows into the enemy.
Of course PEASENTS :smash: :smash: :smash:
I crushed HRE with 8 full stacks of peasents once :whip:
Okay, so which were the best moments in games, and which unit was responsible?
STW:
Simple arquebusiers, waiting at a bridge and chewing up all those fancy hard units trying to come across.
MTW:
5) Vikings - The unit that has it all. Easy to reach, cheap, with a bit of bite, and some staying power. Jack-of-all-trades-bar-none-unit, thankyouverymuch. Unfortunately, there is a Danish monopoly.
4) Jinetes - Take a great target (Camels), 2 units of Jinetes, and a bit of micromanagement. See Camels vanish before your eyes at speeds hitherto unheard of. Works a treat with clod-hopping AUM, too.
3) Steppe Cavalry - Soooooo fast, sooo hard hitting, soooo easy to get. Many great memories. Thanks, guys.
2) Armenian Heavy Cavalry - Muslim faction? Afraid to close for real combat? Stuck in a rut with your poncey Ghulams? Bored of arrowing all and sundry into submission? Get your real "workhorse" boys in Asia Minor and hit those dastardly Christians where it hurts most!
1) Dismounted Chivalric Knights/Royal Knights 2nd phase - Put into woods, let GHHC come, watch cans being opened. I had 20 Royals of this type batter a complete variety of foes to pulp. A lot of bang for your buck, especially if you prefer the defensive approach, like me.
VI:
Honorary mention goes out to the godfather of all those RTW legionaries:
x) Bonnachts - Let the Vikings come with there clunking heavies! If those heavy spears really find their targets, the battle is over. :2thumbsup:
y) Huscarls - Chopchop. End of story.
z) Welsh Rangers - Longbows. 60 of them. Can hide anywhere. Can fight up close. Ouch! ~;p
I have to change my post to Dismounted Norman Knights, these guys slaughter everyone.
In RTW, my favorite unit has got to be the Phalanx Pikemen. I think you get a lot of value out of them, with their numbers, phalanx formation and decent attack/defence.
I only have MTW but my favourite unit would have to be the kataphraktoi...when they charge home, they destroy the field. But most of my army will be made up of byzantine infantry (usually 60-70% of my forces are them).
By the way, warking, that is one very strange name you have....like WAH-KING.
Finally you have done it! took you klong time thoughp
I try to be funny where possible, so I post on potentially funny topics earlier. This was not at the top of my possibilities. 'Cept one thing.
Warking, please learn to spell the word 'what' - it is very frustrating when people say wat.
Yes it is and what other funny topic have you been on. Don't say mine. It will hurt my feelings.
The charging one, your one about HRE or something, and the one about the guy who was confused about the hourglass. Oh, and the Narnia one. Sort of.
Why?
That hourglass one was funny.
Thank you, thank you very much! I'm here 'til Friday!
(well, I'll still be here after that, but don't point that out, Xehh! I know you're thinking it!)
Friday is tomorrow.
And the Oscar for Best Stater of the Obvious goes to....Xehh II for his role in 'Sense of Humour'!
What? Was that the bit about com english?
No, I thought I was replying to a different topic. I meant your comment about "Friday is tomorrow."
This is wat are you rfaverite units noyt sence of humoer
Yes, we've established that fact you fool.
We should stop using this topic mack fun of me on youer one one.
Having a bad day of typing?
OK, I'll quit making fun of you now.
this is for people that want to talk about their faverite units, not listen to you being mean to me.:shame:
Yous just like spammed this thread out of service.
Not my fault, blame Cazaric. He was the one that started it.
Uh, I don't really have a favourite unit, but two days ago, I was very surprised by medium cavalry built in Defnas with a master horse breeder (max available) (viking campaign): as the buildings give valour bonus, the 3 valour make them probably better than royal bodyguards, and they're 40....
Guys, I *strongly* urge you to follow Caerfanan's example and return to the topic. Right now, you're just spamming and derailing this thread for no reason. Cease and desist immediately. :stare:
Are you talking about the Mounted Nobles? If so, then yes I agree that they can be quite effective. In addition, I've found that even plain Horsemen can do surprisingly well if given the opportunity. You just need to make sure they're limited to flanking and don't charge the enemy head-on. :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Caerfanan
Awesome guys this is turning out to a really good thing so i'll tell you this - i like all sorts of archers, dogs, pigs becaus they have good range and they scare off the enemy, by the way go elephants!!!!!!!!!
sincerly ........................ warking ..........................:2thumbsup:
What do dogs and pigs do? How do they help in a war?
they don't help, just look awesome, and they are good weapons against Cavalry and Elephants. Pigs=Scare Elephants Dogs=Scare Horses
I found Wardogs to be generally useful against most troop types (although heavy infantry generally held up fairly well against them.) Those puppies are simply a canine "fire-and-forget" missile -- just sic 'em on the enemy and let them do their thing. Yes, they're a fantasy unit, but even I have to admit they were fun to watch. ~D
For MTW/VI:
Some of mine have already been mentioned. Namely:
Swabian Swordsmen
Heavy Steppe Cavalry
Armenian Cavalry
Some others I didn't see yet:
1) Viking Landsmen (upgraded vikings, cheap and easy to build in Scandinavia by any faction.)
2) Avar Nobles (Disciplined, early era heavy cavalry with great armour and defense. Only made in Moldavia.)
3) Lithuanian Cavalry (Not really worth the building requirements, but an often over-looked feature is being able to dismount as archers. Which is great if you don't want to drag around a unit of archers, just in case you might need them).
4) Woodsmen (use them in the woods, or send them around the flanks and deliver one of the best (and cheapest) armor piercing charges in the game. All at a production cost of 75 florins, plus a valour bonus in Lithuania. I love these guys.)
1. Kerns: How I love to see Husacerls armed to the teeth die under a hail of missiles from barefooted peasants
OA
Does anyone know why Janisary Heavy Inf. are as good as they are? There states are comical but that didn't stop them from mopping the floor with Spanish Conquistadors in my custom battle tests.
In actually history, war-dogs were used to tear out the throats of the enemy etc. Such a pleasant way to go, don't you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xehh II
Not even the mounted nobles, Martok, the plain simple medium cavalry. Yes those guys you don't involve in any fight because they die too quickly!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Martok
EDIT: just to be sure, the 'you' doesn't mean 'Martok', I should've used 'one' instead.
:laugh4:
I was really surprised, if you build in Defnas the best horse breeding building, you have valour 3 Medium Cav. I don't know if there is a place which produce +1 valour Mounted nobles... And If I'm correct, the Medium Cav is 6/3/0/4 (Charge, atk, def, morale) and nobles 6/4/2/8, but the 3 valour med cav are 6/6/3/10!!!! So if there is no way to start the mounted noble with +1valour, they are surpassed by those cav!!! (and actually, with the +1, they're equalled...)
And another piece of candy: there is iron in Defnas....
And you are more than correct: as for every cavalry unit in VI, charging head-on is very dangerous :smash: I remember my first game with VI, I unleashed royal bodyguards on an infantry unit, and was taking care of something else, thinking the bodyguards a bit like those in normal MTW. A few moments later, I stood corrected: only 2 guys remained of the unit, and they were loosing. A shock when you're used to those "invincible" knights...
The Janissary Corps were the elite of the Ottoman Empire, arguably the most powerful single nation/empire of the time period, and the Janissary Heavy Infantry represent some of the most heavily armed and highly trained soldiers of this Corps. If you're talking about MTWII I can't say anything about the specific unit, but in MTW they were one of the best if not the best infantry unit in the game, and they certainly deserved to be one of the best infantry units.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheJace
Well, aren't they Armour piercing and anti cav' unit? This would provide them with bonuses you wouldn't see in the stats... (checking on the unit coparison's tool)...Quote:
Originally Posted by Uesugi Kenshin
Totally. They are 4/5/3/3/8 (charge, attack, defense, armour, morale). BUT: they get +3 attack and +1 defense against cavalry. And they're referenced to have a bonus versus armoured unit (meaning a part of the enemy's armour is ignored)
So those guy could probably kill a lot of horses...
Oh, that's what they did against the french knights in Nicopoli, 1396 AD.
Well, I play MTW: VI, my favorite units include JHI and JI, Armenian Heavy cavalry, Avar Nobles, Szekely, Nizaris, and Swiss halberdiers. Also, I love to use naptha throwers on occasion, those guys can be a blast to use(literally!)
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I attempted to sign up for that, but it didn't download properly.
I've had that for a while but it won't update, so I can't use it.
You and me seem to be prone to computer problems, don't we? :wall:
Yes it seems we do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Cazaric
Other than a good general, the best unit depends on the circumstance. With me, I try to have a good mix of forces, although I do have a fondness for missile units and cavalry.
I’m predominately playing Medieval II nowadays, and usually as the Byzantine Empire, so I found the Vardariotai (a combination of cavalry and missile unit) to be a nice compliment to any army. I’ve used them frequently to draw out the enemy when they are entrenched, or to move behind the enemy lines to where they can fire on the enemy general’s bodyguard, or on his artillery units, and later charge them.
The fact that Vardariotai have dual offensive skills comes in handy, because you can use them as missile units early on and then later rely on them for melee combat. They are relatively cheap and can be recruited early in a campaign, so overall they are a decent unit to possess.
ok you guys now we are all doing really well in this thread so lets try and get to 8 pages! ay wat do ya say huh? tell all ya friends to come over here and tell us theres awesome you guys keep at it.
P.S. i would also recommend 'Call Of Duty2 which has great graphics and is preety cheap now, and aslo has a good multiplayer system!
sincerely.............................warking............................:2thumbsup:
Gotta be Noble Scythian Horse Archers. Mobility, firepower, good morale, powerful melee.
My favorite unit is the Clibinarii from the Sassanids (BI). They are good quality bowmen, heavily armoured and mounted on heavily armoured horses. Thus they can outshoot pretty much everybody. Then, when you want to charge, use their "alt" attack for clubs, and rout the enemy!
Ok, I suppose I'll elaborate on my choices previous:
JHI: Really, do I have to say? Pure, utter domination.
Janissary Infantry: Archers who are equivalent to CMAA in hand to hand, but w/ less armor.
Armenian Heavy Cavalry: Easy to start pumping them out w/ extra 2 valor, makes them awesome, especially in early. Also, they have a great charge.
Avar Nobles: Khwarzmian Cavalry, but available much earlier and are out of the desert. Plus they're disciplined.
Szekely: HA w/ good morale, good melee, a good charge(for a HA), available VERY early, and extremely fast. In combination w/ AN, Hungarians can field all cav armies until the high period w/ good success.
Nizaris: Bow w/ shield makes them good duelers. Crazy high attack with an insane charge bonus(it's even better than ghazis), so you can use them as great flankers once you're done firing arrow.
Swiss Halberdiers: Pretty much everything about them is good, except for the charge bonus, but they get bonuses against armor and cav, making them extremely versatile. Much more useful for a regular army than ordinary halberdiers.
And a recent addition, Gothic Knights: An unbelievable sledgehammer, everything just seems to bounce off them. Did a test run of lancers vs GK and the lancers just bounced off, even though they went to a wedge.
I would have to say that Cataparhcts (sorry for the spelling error) horse archers, elephanhts and chairiots are the best becasue in terms of sheer damage they can cause espally when it comes to killing spearmen.
Vanilla: Sacred Band. Look awesome and fight awesome too
EB: Gestate. Drugged up nudist killing machines. What's not to love.
M2: Retinue Longbowmen. Like a D&D Ranger on a medieval battlefield
ok on r:tw i say my top five (not in order) are:
1.Spartan hoplites... i tried them like in 300 exept i had 320 men and the enemy had like 3000 soldiers -hillmen/eastern infantry- i killed 83% of them lost 13 men V/H battle 9 expeirence/3weapon/3armor for all units spartan or other. then i sent them against 7 full selucid armys of elephants lost 298 men but still won with 78% of enemy dead same as before exp/wpn/armor face it they pwn ~:pimp:
2.Pharohs bowmen... ultimate ranged :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: they slaughtered the spartans unfortanitly but thats like the only thing that could also they look cool
3. legionary first cohort... that eagle must rly give a morale boost if peasents dont run away when by them :verycool:
4.Cathaprchts -the armored horse guys-... there charge is super deadly one charge killed atleast 80 first cohort and caused THE COHORT TO ROUT!!!!!! :wall: :whip: makes me mad i had the cohort ><
5.PIGS!!!! face it nothing beats pigs on a battlefield ~:pimp: exept every unit but other pigs :laugh4:
oh yeah for M2TW top 5 -again not in order- are as follows:
1.Genoese Crossbow Militia... killed a full stack army w/ 2 units of these guys.. enough said :beam:
2.Gendarmes -French special unit horse ppl :beam: - anywho same as cathprachts for r:tw awsome charge :charge:
3.CAMELS!!they scare horses
4.peasents... CILMGFC/DIOCUOMDFBTNPCALIB! cheap inexpensive largly massabile good for creating/disbanding in other cities unit of mass destuction favored by the NPC and lives in boxes! :boxedin:
5.native mercenaries in the "New World"... they helped me kill the ppl in north america -victory all provinces owned- RUSSIA PWNS!!!!1 :oops: :wall: :whip:
PIE!?
My favourite are Cathaprchts, they look and sre great.Same goes for Praetorian Cavalry
buddhist monks
Good answer, Vlad! I should've thought of that one myself. :bow:
Mine would have to be a Spartan unit from a RTW mod called XGM or extended greek mod. The spartans just look so awsome and are obviously killing machines.
The spartan or Early legionary cohort, cant decide.
https://img299.imageshack.us/img299/...rtan2iwvl3.jpg
Ok you guys good job!!!!!!! we have have 149 posts including this one!!!!!!!!!!
Hay by the way check out my story in the mead hall - D day a story of their efforts, i rushed it a bit i know but the next one will be better.
keep on tellin all of your friends to come and tell me their favorite units too!
sincerely.......................................warking...................................:2thumbsup :
soz this is the 151st
Come one you guys no one is replying anymore come on and tell me all of your favourite units!!!!!!!
sincerely.....................................warking..................................:2thumbsup:
miliseconds away from calling the coroner to pronounce this topic dead...
no no no no no! please do not close this thread mithrandir its my best one!!!!!!!!!
and i want it to at least get to 10 pages!
please dont close this thread!
Want to keep this thread going, huh? It needs some disagreement... Let me try.......
buddhist monks, Cathaprchts, Praetorian Cavalry, Genoese Crossbow Militia, peasents, Pharohs bowmen, Janissary Infantry, Swiss Halberdiers, Noble Scythian Horse Archers, Armenian Heavy cavalry, pigs, wardogs, and Huscarls are the WORST units ever conjured!!! What were you people thinking?!?!?!
Spartans own! WHOOOOOO!!!! :thumbsup:
PS: LEEEEROY JEEEEENKINS!!!
OK yes go Vorenus
And By the way dont put down the dogs and pigs!!!!!!
because they are cool!
PEASENTSSSSSSSS :whip:
CAMELS PWN ALL!!!!! That one was for you Mith ~;)
English longbowmen, nuff said.
Ok, I got to admit, the pigs and dogs are great.
English longbowmen couldnt hit water if they fell out of a boat... nuff said.
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Originally Posted by Vorenus