Uhm, statistically we all have the same chance of being selected as a rebel. A statement can't change that. it can only change the way how you feel towards a person's posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk
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Uhm, statistically we all have the same chance of being selected as a rebel. A statement can't change that. it can only change the way how you feel towards a person's posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk
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Wait a minute... I think I'm being played. Why would Reenk act like this, unless he WANTS me to vote for him.... giving him what he wants just plays into his hands.
I don't know what kind of game you're playing Reenk, but until I figure it out...
Unvote: Reenk
Vote: Abstain
:wall:
We're lynching two innocents here...
Vote: Reenk
No offense my dear Wanax, but I would like it if we got some later-game help from Kommodus. Sorry my good Senator. :no:
Errm this is getting out of hand...
Don (and potentially any others) I wasn't insulting you. I was kidding and going along with the game (just like your STFS thing). I really like the Roman themed thing, and just though I would have some fun by acting like a pompous senator. However, I'm terribly close to getting executed now, I guess my fun has ended. :shrug: :sad: Do host another one soon Sir Moody, I'd like to play this type of game again.
To address a few other things:
1) I never said that Kommodus was a rebel because the rebels didn't kill him. I'm never that absolute in these games. I put it forward as a possibility. I still think Kommodus is the best one to lynch (no offense Kommodus, but my reasons are in the spoilered post).
2) I don't know why people make such a big deal about me changing character. I do it so frequently in these games that it should be surprising when I do not change character, Early on, I started as a bad villager, adding people to the List. Then I had a change of heart and made a Fan Club. Then I started just lurking for a bit, and then abstaining, courteously when hosts got mad at lurkers. Then I stopped abstaining cause people got mad at me for abstaining and just voted for people, giving my reasons and explaining a lot, becoming incredibly more active than in any other game. Now I'm becoming a prick again like I started, but I'm trying to save the senate with my attitude. You track the personality changes; they happen when I'm Mafia and when I'm not.
3) Purely statistically, everyone has an even chance of being a rebel at all times. When Kommodus pointed me out in Mafia V, I still was (statistically) equally likely as all of you to be Mafia. Other things play a huge role in these games. Relying on stats alone is fallacy.
4) You can just not vote or abstain like me if you think I'm innocent by the way. I didn't vote for Ituralde because of that reason. Maybe we can get by without a lynch this round. (This means you Kommodus, Ituralde, and GeneralHankerchief).
5) Do read my spoilered post again. I think it contains valuable information on how to proceed. If you want, ignore the fun character and just read the info.
6) Before Mafia V, Sasaki's Black Hand games both ended quickly for me. In the first one, the whole town got destroyed, and in the second one, I was lynched early for abstaining, courteously. In Mafia IV, the game ended very early again. In The Godfather I, I was killed by Mafia in the 3rd round. Only in Mafia III, Sasaki's first Mafia game, and Cosa Nuevo did I survive long as a townie (in the first because I was a newbie and ignored (until my List), and in the second and thrid because I posted little and didn't vote much).
I'll be going now; sad that I can't continue in this game...
By the way:
Vote: Abstain, courteously :bow: and in spirit Vote: Kommodus!
Do you have something against me? A kill request in Black Hand 2 and now a "random" vote on me. So, maybe you could PM me about your grudge, cos I think I'm onto something here.Quote:
Originally Posted by AggonyDuck
Vote: abstain
They're clearly both innocent and, in my eyes, Kommodus should be getting the lynch at this stage. Getting all self-important and childish... tssss. :zzz:
~;)
Sadly the game at this phase is very much like a lottery. You choose someone at random and hope that they are rebels. One thing though; the voting based on suspicious behaviour might not be the best option. I believe it is far more common for the rebels to continue acting as they have done previously, than to drastically change their behaviour.
Craterus, I don't have anything against you except the fact that you have a tendency to stay under the radar and survive to the endgame. I've already played a couple of games where you have been a "unknown" at the end game and I'd rather not have such a situation again.
EDIT: Forgot my vote. My vote goes for Reenk Roink. Of the two he is the one being a bit more suspicious, although what value that has remains to be seen.
Vote: Reenk Roink
So, before I had the chance to make two posts in this thread, I am slain by the despicable rebels.
Not only does go against the long standing tradition of killing me off at the very end of the game, it does my constitution no good.
In vengence, then, I shall work from the dead to hunt down these rebels and give them a rebel's death. I shall not rest until they are undone, slain, their estates razed and their lineage destroyed.
I retire momentarily, to analyse the transpirings. But I shall make them deeply regret their slaughter of mine person.
CR
PS
What in hell goes on in New York?!:laugh4:Quote:
Vote: Abstain, courteously
Senators:
I cant tolate this!.First, an opinion who says "Lets kill Kommodus, because I want" and second a quote:
Is this a threat?The Senators doesnt make threats.Quote:
I hope Thracian slaves eat your children!
You are making a big mistake, and the worse thing is you are making twice.My vote(again!):
Vote:Reenk
He hasnt demostrated Kommodus is a rebel.Why he is saying that?
I want an Explication
Caius Flaminius
wth they're both innocent. It's quite likely that Kommodus is guilty so I'll
Vote:Ituralde
because Reenk seems likely to vote for Kommodus.
Vote:Ituralde
His vote and quick retraction struck me as more suspicious than Reenk's roleplaying. Sadly, I dithered too long to get in on the initial round of voting... :shame:
Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
For Jupiter's sake I've explained this too many times! :wall:
Let's also look at the possibilities:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenkaficsio
It is clear that Kommodus is our best lynch!Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenkaficsio
And another thing, why hasn't anyone responded to this post?
I mean venusdammit! I've addressed all the charges against me, clarified my posts, and called out people who vote for me for not good reason.
Sir Moody, please tell me when voting ends. I'll die if I must, but seriously, I would have been much rather lynched when I deserved it then now! :stare:
Hm...i am thinking in making a good mistake, but
Unvote:Reenk
Vote:Abstain
He's not an option right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
I changed my vote back to abstain before you made it.
See, there's a world of difference between saying I'm not certain and saying there's no good reason. And if you were looking at this objectively, you would see that. Maybe 'lynch Kommodus or else he's a rebel' wasn't the hard and fast rule of your posts, but it is certainly a reasonable take. Again, you're acting out of character. Surely you know you look suspicious. Rather than addressing it (which you did), and leaving it be (which you're not), you're continuing to be provocative and suggesting that anybody that doesn't agree with you 100% isn't employing sound reason. You're making me want to change my vote back. But one thing I've learned in these games is that I've got to learn to quit anger-voting and try to remain as logical as possible. So for now, unless you start acting even more bizarre, I'm leaving the status quo.Quote:
I mean venusdammit! I've addressed all the charges against me, clarified my posts, and called out people who vote for me for not good reason.
I know one thing. Half the Senate not even bothering to abstain doesn't make me like our odds right now... :no:
What's the WoG rule for this game? I suspect we'll see the grim reaper doing the rebel's work for them before long. :no:Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
WoG rule?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
WoG = Wrath of God. Bascially, participate or perish. If people don't contribute to the discussion and/or the voting, at a certain point Sir Moody will kill them off automatically, for not participating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius
Wrath of God- mod elimination of inactive participants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius
Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
I think if it is activated, many members will lose
I cannot die for I AM INVINCIBLE!!!!!!
Reenk... I can't help but think that this whole thing could've been avoided if it hadn't been for a tragic misunderstanding.
Now I'm certain it is either 2 or 3 (and very possibly 3 as there is no real reason to think that the rebels were affected by my post). They very well may not have planned to kill me anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
However, your implication that I will be no help to the senate is false, for a number of reasons. I wonder if you misunderstood what I said.
I never said I wouldn't help. Originally I simply said "I may have mercy on you (if you don't kill me)." Later I clarified this to mean I would withhold the use of some of my newest and most dangerous tools - but only for a time. Again and again I've explained this; but I wonder if you read my posts?
My originally speech was, as I've said before, an experiment. I thought there were several possible good results that could come of it.
1. The rebels might have been goaded into killing me, proving my innocence.
2. I might've drawn some rebels out into the open, as they would surely be very pleased to see me lynched and withdraw from the game.
3. I might actually survive late into the game, giving myself a chance to cast an accurate vote against the rebels.
An unwanted side effect that did occur, however, was that now everyone's focused on the question of my guilt or innocence, rather than pursuing other avenues. I guess I should've predicted that. If the trend continues, it will do more harm than good to the senate.
Reenk (and Sasaki), I knew that everything I was saying was very suspicious. Do either of you really think I'm that dumb? Regardless, I apologize for the trouble and misunderstandings. Not every experiment is a success...
Meh. At least I gave us all something to talk about during round one. Hopefully some clues have emerged that will be useful later on.
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:guitarist:
Reenk the voting will close at some point after 12 gmt - it depends on when my Lunch break is at work... busy day tomorrow we have a Manager coming down to inspect the monkeys doing the programming (that would be me) so could be anytime between 12pm and 3pm GMT
[QUOTE=Kommodus]
Reenk (and Sasaki), I knew that everything I was saying was very suspicious. Do either of you really think I'm that dumb?[quote]
It's entirely possible.
The fact that what was presented as a serious statement is now merely an "experiment" suggests that you didn't realize people would think it was suspicious. You're sound surprised, therefore this reaction was not expected so it wouldn't have been "dumb" as mafia.Quote:
Regardless, I apologize for the trouble and misunderstandings. Not every experiment is a success...
Meh. At least I gave us all something to talk about during round one. Hopefully some clues have emerged that will be useful later on.
You sound guilty.
Don! I am just speechless now! :wall:Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
I don't know how you could have misinterpreted all my posts like that. You are jumping to very wrong conclusions, and I feel obliged as well as frustrated to respond like this:
On my reasons for lynching Kommodus: :stupido:
I based my position on two things:
1) Kommodus’ odd post.
2) His helpfulness to us.
1 is self explanatory isn’t it? Everyone raised an eyebrow at the post.
2 is based on theoretical outcomes.
There are 4 possibilities with regard to Kommodus’ life:
1) Senators try to kill him and the Rebels leave him.
2) Rebels kill him and the Senators leave him.
3) Senators try to kill him and the Rebels kill him.
4) Senators leave him and the Rebels leave him.
For 1, he definitely will not help us.
For 2 he may help us.
For 3, it will depend on who pisses him off more.
For 4 he will "show mercy" to the rebels (thus not helping us).
Note that Kommodus has survived one round.
My pushing for Kommodus’ execution is a plausible case. I freely admit it can be wrong, but based on what Kommodus said, he was the best lynch for us.
Never did I say that Kommodus was guilty or speak in any absolutes. You are reading this into my posts for whatever reason.
On my insults: :stupido:
For God’s sake Don, I don’t know how you took my posts to be anything but me playing in character and joking around. I clearly am acting like a pompous Roman senator, putting quite a bit of contextual clues in my post.
Your Strike For The South comment was much less obvious of a joke than mine and yet everyone thought it was a joke.
On my acting out of character: :stupido:
First, I think that I have made it clear that I changed character many times. Here is my earlier response to that:
You say: “In the last 2 games, you started acting very pro-actively. Surprise, surprise, you were mafia in both games. Now here you are doing it again.... what am I supposed to think?”Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenkaficsio
I reply: Don, in the last two games, I have started off not trying to draw any attention to myself, and being the opposite of what you claim. In Mafia V I was upset that so much attention was drawn to me so early on, and I disappeared for the next three rounds. In Rise of the Mob I stayed quiet until Sigurd Fafnesbane called me out. You are mistaken.
And finally, this:
First, I don’t know why you take my acting like a Roman senator as provocative. Sure, Reenkaficsio is a outspoken blowhard, but I’m just playing along with the theme. The content of my post is the important part, and the content is what has been ignored. Seriously people, look at my arguments, that I have stripped of the Roman theme.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Second, I’m not suggesting anything of the sort.
@ Sir Moody: :bow:
@ Kommodus: All right, thanks for the clarification Kommodus. My case was essentially based on the fact that you sounded very callous and selfish in your post. I saw no reason to let you live as a townie if you would not help us. Now that that part of my case is gone, it rests on your odd posts, which while relevant and suspicious, still cause me to rescind my ultimatum.
Gah... everyone change their vote to No Lynch.
If we can't do that, then just abstain.
Unvote: Reenkius
Vote: No Lynch/Abstain
Then I won't get to execute anyone. :no:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Been busy, catching up.
Vote: No Lynch
Count of Votes please?
Are we allowed to vote no lynch?
Still 1 vote for Reenk.And 2 for Ituralde.Quote:
Then I won't get to execute anyone
3 votes for Reenk (Kommodus, Ituralde, and Aggony) 2 for Ituralde (Sasaki and Xiahou)
Same game plan on my part sorry Ituralde...
Vote: Ituralde
We haven't heard at all from Destroyer of Hope, Masy, Peasant Phil, and Dutch_guy. I'm for gridlock until they show their faces. We have not heard much from Kage, Craterus, and Prole. Still the first round technically so not horrible. My 2 cents
Okay, Reenk. My apologies for taking offense where none was intended. I actually didn't get that you were role-playing, as you had a similar rant about how intellectually challenged your detractors were at the end of New Mafia, but you do have a point. I am convinced and will henceforth set about trying to role-play a little myself (I'm sure we could use a wine-addled old veteran that's better equipped to the saddle than the senate floor).
Seriously, I'm actually not really all that suspicious of anybody who's been posting so far anymore. What we've lacked in quantity of contributors we've made up for in quality of contributors. We've had some pretty decent discussions for the first round, when, let's face it, we're all standing around shrugging saying "I dunno, did YOU do it?" :shrug:
Just a little more clarification, that "partial intelligence" comment meant that Sigurd only had part of the story of my statement of Csar, nothing insulting his intelligence either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Anyway, I guess I could break the tie but I would rather every just abstain and not lynch anyone this round. :wink:
As I stated in my last post, I don't think we should penalize Reenk for trying to play in character. If he was mafia wouldn't it make more seance to keep to the background and not draw any suspicions? Ituralde's accusing Kommodous doesnt seem a very good reason either. The rebels know the risk and wouldn't be likely to except the bait. Beside his strategy, which kind of reminds me of Saskii's, has worked well for the town in the past. In conclusion I agree with General H. and Vote: No Lynch
Also @ JimBob why are you always voting for a tie? It would be much better for the town to get two more kills and thus more evidence to find the mafia?
Its an idea I had based on something someone said in New Mafia. Basically the first round is a crap shoot, so I say extend it and suck three rounds out of it. Someone might slip, you get more people talking and more ideas floated, more bad ideas shot down before the mafia gets to use them to confuse the town. More information equals more chance of a town win. And the mafia doesn't off someone. That and I wanted to stretch it out and bring some of the lurkers in, I don't like people who don't post(see New Mafia for my main reason). My idea has had some good and bad, we'll have to wait and see.Quote:
Also @ JimBob why are you always voting for a tie? It would be much better for the town to get two more kills and thus more evidence to find the mafia?
Hmm, so we have a tie now ? I'm still unsure what to make of Reenks behaviour, and Iturlade is a big unknown.
Tough choices, tough choices...
sorry all No-lynch is not an option - ill allow it in normal votes but in this tie you must vote or abstain - im not sure what i will do in another draw i mite just lynch both so we can keep going - keep that in mind
:sigh:
It pains me, but I just can't keep abstaining, it's against my principles.
Vote:Reenk
Sorry man, if you are just role playing then I'll feel pretty bad about this, but you are the more suspicious of the two :shame:
My fellow senators,
The rebels in our midst have won their first battle. They have manipulated us to kill somebody most of us are reluctant to do. Both Ituralde as Reenk Roink are more the victim of their own voting than of evidence provided against them.
Alas, we still have to chose. As we can't let ourselves be lead by suspicions we have to let ourselves be lead by another criterium. Let usefulness be that criterium in order to minimize the loss we have already led.
vote: Ituralde
Once again it's a tie which doesn't surprise me considering who is standing on trial. Reading through Reenk Roinks lenghty posts defending his decisions they are the same as my initial reason. It looked like Kommodus was creating a situation where the town would never benefit from his survival. Although he has cleared some of that up, I still remain suspicious of him. Having him lynched this early only helps the Rebels, so my intention was never to place the final vote on him, because that would have just been stupid.
However he's not off my radar and I intend to pick up his case in the later rounds if I survive this round.
So Sasaki Kojiro, if you want the person to live that will help you kick off Kommodus later you're definitely lynching the wrong guy, because Reenk Roink has said that he understands Kommodus reasons and is not as suspicious of him anymore.
I have said before that the first round will have the highest chance of lynching an innocent, but it is something that has to happen. This is particulary depressing as JimBob has voted the second time against me just to create a tie. To think that we'll get by without a lynch is an illusion. It's how the game works: The Mafia kills, the Town lynches.
It's sad to see that Peasant Phill votes for me because he doesn't think I'm helpful for the Senate. Well this is my first game of this kind and I'm trying my best. Just rest assured that dead or alive I'll try to hunt down the Rebels amongst us.
If push comes to shove and there's still a tie at noon I will redirect my vote. Sir Moody has said that he would probably kill us both if the tie is extended. Now lynching one innocent is to be suspected, but loosing two innocents is cleary a loss for the Senate and thus a gain for the Rebels.
Wait and see...
Looks like my appeal came a bit too late. So before Sir Moody kills two innocents I have to intervene:
Unvote: Reenk Roink
Vote: Abstain
Drama, drama.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ituralde
I didn't say you wouldn't be helpful, I said that I thought Reenk Roink would be more helpful. You're a great unknown as somebody here already said.
Voting Closed - results will be up shortly
The floor grows quiet and csar stands. "Well it appears you dithering old fools have finally come to a consensus - and only then by Noble Ituralde sacrificing himself, I hope you are all ashamed that such a noble man would throw himself on his own sword in the name of justice! I herby announce that the method of 'punishment' will be noble Suicide so that Ituralde can die with honour." A guard hands Csar a Gladius which he promptly accepts and hands too Ituralde. "Any last words my friend?”. Ituralde pauses as though thinking and then nods "To Justice!" and plunges the sword into his stomach and collapses dead. Csar wipes a tear from his eye and proclaims "In Honour of our fallen comrade I declare this meeting adjourned until tomorrow let us hope we have caught a Rebel although I very much doubt it!"
Votes
Ituralde = 4 (Sasaki Kojiro, Xiahou, Jimbob, Peasant Phill)
Reenk Roink = 3 (Kommodus, Aggony Duck, Doc_bean)
Adstain = 7 (Reenk Roink, Craterus, Caius Flaminius, General hankerchief, Proletariant, Ituralde, Don C)
Alive
Sasaki Kojiro
Don Corleone
Kagemusha
Kommodus
Destroyer of Hope
Caius Flaminius
Csar
GeneralHankerchief
doc_bean
Craterus
Reenk Roink
Xiahou
Peasant Phill
AggonyDuck
Proletariat
Dutch_guy
JimBob
Dead
Crazed Rabbit
Masy
Executed
Ituralde
Night phase begins PM's Please - Next day will begin at around noon Tommorow
EDIT
sorry all i missed Don C's Abstain no change on the lynch tho but added for future reference to who voted
Ituralde, nooooooo... ~:mecry:
I was convinced of your innocence, and I wanted you to live to play more. It's rough to be the first to get lynched when it's your first game. It's happened before, unfortunately. Don't let it get you down. I'll be starting a game of my own sometime in January and would love for you to be a part of it.
I personally apologize for being one of the two who cast a vote to get you into the tie-breaker. It was a mistake. :shame:
You will be avenged, if I have any say in the matter.
Kommodus is acting differently. He admits this. This gives us two possibilities:
A) He is mafia
B) He is town acting weird
Now, say we leave him alive. In the case of B, he helps us find mafia. In the case of A, WE LOSE. It's not advantageous to leave him alive, we can't trust him at all unless he's been killed by the mafia anyway. He must by lynched.
And sorry about that Ituralde, I'd have changed if I'd come back in time.
Addressed to the Senators: :stupido:
Look at how strife laden this very first night has been. I mocked the rebel slaves for their impotence and effete cowardice, but the senate itself is clearly paranoid because of them and filled with treachery! :stare:
You forced the issue between two good Romans, or perhaps, even both of them! :stare:
Now, one is dead, and you have no one but yourselves to blame. The pansy rebel slaves are not responsible for this recent madness! :stare:
Rome needs Reenkaficsio as emperor! :yes:
As desiring I am and deserving you are of my continued beration, I must turn the floor to more pressing issues:
We must act quickly to crush these rebel slaves.
Praetor, please investigate Kommodus if you have not done so. Although his clarification removes the "best to lynch" clause of my argument, he still remains the most suspicious member of the Senate. If you find compelling evidence tying him with the rebel slaves, bring it to the senate floor immediately!
We should give the Praetor up to third night to come with news. If he does not, then we can plausibly assume that he has gotten a chance to investigate Kommodus and he is innocent. Again, this is not certain, as Praetor's in the past have been less than reliable and prone to corruption, but then again, nothing is absolutely certain.
Kommodus is an enigma to us. We must make sure that he does not harm us, and we should try to have him maximize utility for us as well!
Reenkaficsio moves to personally oversee the planning of the execution should it happen.
He already has a great idea :idea::
We put a oil soaked Kommodus up on a crucifix in the middle of an arena. The 13 lions circling around him will then devour his children in front of his eyes to increase their bloodlust for him. After that deed is done, the lions will be released to attack Kommodus while at the same time, he is ignited, as we do not want those expensive imported lions to suffer food poisoning eating uncooked Kommodus.
Addressed to the noble Senator Ituralde: :stupido:
My good man, you are a true blooded Roman. You acted decisively, as I did in the beginning to push the case against Kommodus.
I don not know why you abstained afterward, but I understand that the pressure was on you, and you had to think for your family. It is fitting that a Roman respect familial bonds.
Your vote for me is pardoned completely, I again understand that family is first.
Still, your noble act of sacrifice shall not be forgotten. I shall make sure to take care of your estate and family, and have you immortalized with statues and games! My third son will be named after you. :bow: I am proud to say I never was unjust to this great man and to myself by voting for him.
I cannot help but wonder if you had just kept your vote for Kommodus in the first place, this would have never happened.
But then again, I am to blame as well...
If only I had left my concubine's side to cast my vote before closing in the first place... :shame:
I disagree, we should just lynch Kommodus and leave the Praetor to find the 2nd mafioso.
I'm not so convinced over Kommodus guilt. I believe if he was a rebel then he would propably not have posted it. It pretty much effectively dooms him in the end, because it will bring upon him suspicion and unless a Praetor cleans his name he ends up being a big suspect until the end. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but usually the last thing a rebel/mafioso wants is attention in the first rounds, especially attention like this that really doesn't serve to further his cause.
But on the other hand if Kommodus was the Praetor things would suddenly make sense. He would be afraid of being targeted by the mafia early on and thus to buy time make himself a highly suspicious post asking the rebels not to kill him. It would make sense to a degree.
Anyway currently the game seems like a lottery as does the start of every mafia game. We'll just have to proceed on and eventually we should start to get a proper feel of the game and the different senators.
Oh Sasaki, once again you are so tragically, tragically wrong about me. It's Ok though, I still love you anyway. ~:grouphug:
Um, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
It was both a serious statement and an experiment. The promises I made, both to the rebels and to the senators, remain true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
~:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Do it if you want to, I guess. It's been a while since the mafia have pulled off a win.
It's not a good idea to draw attention to yourself if you are the praetor either. But what makes you think he knew that post would draw attention? He seems surprised, therefore he didn't know it would draw attention. It's more likely he intended that post to be a "this is why I'm still alive" thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by AggonyDuck
And Kommodus, I didn't think you were mafia in TGF2. I just said you were a good lynch.
Jeez, thats twice now I have been killed in the first round. Pick on someone else next time please? I have just recovered from a bad spate of flu, and was hoping to cheer myself up with a bit of light hearted mind gaming...
Say, Sir Moody, are we allowed to participate once dead in this one (what with it being a historical version and all)? Cos these slaves have really upset me. :thumbsdown:
yes you can speak from the grave - the romans had many priests who "claimed" they could speak for the dead so no reason why you cant its up to you
Er... that's a joke, right? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Maybe I should quote myself here (this is from my original speech):
Yeah, Sasaki, your keen "insight" really caught me off guard there. I thought no one would notice I'd even said anything. How on earth did you figure me out? :dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
The only thing I found mildly surprising was that everyone became totally fixated on it, at the expense of talking about anything else. That's not what I had in mind originally, since it doesn't help the senate.
Thus you have two choices:
1. Lynch me. You waste a lynch on an innocent person and lose any help I might've given you, but hey, at least you get rid of someone Sasaki can't trust.Time to choose.
2. Let me live and pursue other leads. The rebels will eventually kill me, but my methods will almost certainly identify them and we'll win.
Sure did good to hear your condolence about my death, but there really are no hard feelings. An innocent gets lynched in most Mafia games after the first day and it might as well be me. We had a lot of discussion because of it and that's always good for the game.
Couldn't resist to get a little bit cheesy there. :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Peasant Phill
Instead of focusing on Kommodus again next round I would have cast my vote to one of the people that haven't contributed much in the past to get a statement out of them. Maybe Sigurd, although his chances for getting WoGed are pretty high.
While Kommodus remains susect there really is no good reason for lynching him yet. Why get him on the bad side of the Senate if you don't have to. Just let him surviev one or two more rounds and then finish him. I totally agree that he's too suspicious to be left alive in the end game, but that's probably true for most of you. :yes:
That's all I've got to say from the grave before the next killing. Thanks to Csar for letting me die honourably, I'm sure Senator Ituralde would not have wanted to go any other way. :2thumbsup:
Is this a joke?:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
A cold wind blows through the temple, and a voice is heard...
"Curse the underworld, which is woefully short of fresh carrots! Also, were I Praetor, I would investigate Sasaki and Kommodus...
Then the voice is gone, and a half eaten carrot remains on the floor.
You might be correct. I've never had a gift for logical reasoning really, atleast in mafia games. Somehow this is a game where logic sometimes misleads you, while a gut feeling might be correct again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
So, what does your Mighty Gut (tm) tell you about me?Quote:
Originally Posted by AggonyDuck
It's a bit early to make any decisions based on gut yet. I first need to develop a feel for the game and everyone's behaviour. My logic is saying no about you being mafia, but my gut is yet undecided. Might need atleast three or four rounds to get a proper feel.
EDIT: Even then I don't think my gut is as reliable as I sometimes tend to believe that it is.
Dude, you said that because you were trying to give an alibi. Just because you realized your post might be viewed that way doesn't mean it wasn't intended that way. In fact providing excuses before the fact is a common mafia tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
BUT we can't ignore the rest of the town in this debate. Surely you see you're no help to the town now unless you are killed though.
Are we voting again? I thought there was another round of kills first....
If Kommodus had made his big pronouncement, then disappeared, I'd be tempted to think of him as guilty. But he's actually been pretty active, and he's explained himself pretty well. After he did that, his original post doesn't come off as all that extreme. And like he said, the game becomes an elaborte tic-tac-toe if you don't mix it up periodically.
I'm actually way more interested in what's going on in the Hall of Silence. We had a pretty dramatic first vote, and a bunch of folks couldn't be bothered to say boo. Any chance we could nudge a few folks into actually saying something?
Umm since I'm innocent can the Praetor PM me who he's investigating.
I am asking the same question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Some senators arent active.Do I a list of these people such as slaves?Maybe they will respond if they are acussated.
and one more thing.I think the 3 senators, Masy, "the Crazed Rabbit" and Ituralde,wll, they are dead, but what about asking they what they think about this enigma?
Dutch_guy 3
Crazed Rabbit 3 :thumbsdown:
Destroyer of Hope 3
Proletariat 2
Masy 2 :thumbsdown:
Sigurd Fafnesbane 1
What are this numbers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Csar
number of posts - and no csar the praetor shouldnt pm you he/she is only allowed to reveal to all at once - even you
My gut tells me that your a big, guilty poop who is a pain to expel... :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Lurkers my friend, LurkersQuote:
Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius
Lynch'em both. Sasaki and Kommodus. Let God sort 'em out.
Sasaki is a bit too eager to lynch Kommodus if you ask me.
Kommodus is just acting strange. Different from other games. If you look at RR in the two other games he stopped abstaining after he became mafia. For one simple reason it brought unwanted attention to him.
Using his mathematical method to catch the mafia as leverage was pretty smart move. This would disuade the townspeople from lynching him for fear of him withholding information that would most likely lead to the lynching of the mafia members. Doing that would atleast buy him 4 or 5 rounds if the people believe him.
I say lynch him we've won Mafia games before without the help of his method and we can do it again.
Senator Proletariat was enjoying the chariot races - despite the plebs all talking about the murders. The only flaw was someone continually bumping into him. Finally enough was enough and he turned round ready to beat whomever he found. To his shock it was Senator Flavius Pacuvius (known as Dutch_Guy) convulsing uncontrollable. He was so shocked he took a step back and fell over the railing onto the race track colliding, fatally, with a Chariot.
When Flavius's body was found the only mark on him was a small needle incision on his shoulder...
Senator Compleo Vir, known to his friends as Kagemusha was visiting the Senate latrines, it had been an awfully long session after all. Upon arriving he noted that there was already a senator inside. Taking no note Compleo moved to an empty stall and began to relieve himself when a thought hit him - "I came straight here so how did the other senator beat me?" - he never got an answer as just as he began to turn to ask he felt a sharp pain in his throat and everything went black. When his body was discovered, his throat cut, the words 'Vir prudens non contra ventum mingit' were written in his blood on the walls...
Csar called another meeting, "Fellow Senators the Rebels are still abroad we must find them or all is lost!! The Senate floor is open may the gods bless your Votes"
Alive
Sasaki Kojiro
Don Corleone
Kommodus
Destroyer of Hope
Caius Flaminius
Csar
GeneralHankerchief
doc_bean
Craterus
Reenk Roink
Xiahou
Peasant Phill
AggonyDuck
JimBob
Dead
Crazed Rabbit
Masy
Kagemusha
Dutch_guy
Executed
Ituralde
Suicide
Proletariat
Many senators are calling to the silence.We need to know why they are away.
Black list of Senators:
Empty for now.
Now, lets hear some new voices in this Senate.If they dont talk, they are giving me a reason for calling they rebels.
In other news, 2 more senators are with Jupiter.We have an ultimatum, not the Reenk proposal, so we need act very faster and lets kill that annoying rebels.
So lets hear new voices here!
Vote:Kommodus
WOW! 2nd round and Prole got WoG'd?!?! :skull: What was that about? And why does Sigurd keep showing up as a suspect. He's not playing, is he?
My vote is for Destroyer of Hope. One thing is for certain, we need more discussion, and with only 2 posts to his credit, of the remaining senators, he's contributed the least.
DoH, nothing personal. But in the absence of any hard and fast evidence, I'm going for getting more discussion and theories out there...
Vote: Destroyer of Hope
Prole asked to commit suicide so no WoM yet (Wrath of Moody) i will probably active that after the 3rd execution
It was a suicide, not a WoG. Prole probably asked to be removed from the game; chances are she's going to be otherwise occupied during the holidays.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Grr. This bodes ill for the senate. Prole's probably not going to be the only one. In fact, after tomorrow I'm going away on vacation for more than a week, and won't be able to participate as much. I have a feeling the rebels will walk away with this one. What ill timing. :no:
EDIT: Sir Moody beat me to it.
Vote:Xiahou
Sorry, but this seems to be the only way to make you talk
Ahh.This one was fast for me. I wont be much online during holidays either,but then im dead.So from the dead i curse the killer,attacking Senator Kage in the latrine while im releaving my self is bad behaviour for even rebel scum.I hope the Lictors will meet this renegade soon enough and release his shoulders of the burden of his head.:whip:
With all this talk about guts, my own is telling me something:
Vote: AggonyDuck
I will be the first to admit that this is not based on any evidence whatsoever, but I just have a funny feeling. I do believe that K is innocent, but I also think that Sasaki is barking up the wrong tree, as he did with Banquo's Ghost in Mafia V. So until Ducky defends himself, my vote stands.