When do we find out what the special abilities of the masons and mafia are Sasaki?
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When do we find out what the special abilities of the masons and mafia are Sasaki?
This looks like something that GH would do....
Vote:GeneralHankerchief
I'm guessing that based on the message, both the masons and the killers will leave us grafiti. They'll each try to sway us one way or the other with their grafiiti. The problem is, I doubt the killers are dumb enough to write their grafiti as killers, they'll pretend to be the masons too. Our job will be sorting out which group is which. Then, go back and look at all the clues left by the true masons and see if we cannot figure it all out.
As for these kills, there are several people it 'could' have been. The only thing we can say for certain is that it was neither Kagemusha or Caius Flamius.
Sorry, Caius, this is your 2nd early exit. I would highly encourage these two, and all soon-to-be deceased to continue participating. Your insights carry extra weight, as you have been proven innocent.
Reenk, since you cannot talk with words, please post a yes smiley or a no-smiley based on the answer to this question... Are you role-playing this silence business? (Yes means it's your decision, no means you're doing it because it was assigned to you; :help: Means none of the above).
Vote: Abstain (until we get some more clues)
It appears like the Graffiti is a way for the Masons to communicate with us, or for the Mafia impersonating the Masonsn in a worst case scenario. It will remain to be seen how either party will use it, but it seems to have interesting options.
I wouldn't jump to conclusions so soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by UltraWar
At the moment I'd avoid lynching anyone, because there is an equal chance that we end up lynching a pro-townie. Although at the same the voting might bring us more clues though, so the question is: Is it worth the risk of lynching a pro-townie in hopes of getting clues?
This 'it's too early' schlock never gets us anywhere.
Vote: Csar
I can see Csar, due to his short history of being a somewhat bland author here, going out of his way and coming up with that 'pay the price' bit. It's also early and I'm hung over and could be swayed still, but for right now, thassalligot.
Hmm, a few things to work with...
Graffiti ideas sound good. This could be a big help to us in the future. Or, possibly a huge hinderance. Since it's clear that only one message has been up today, and we know who it's from, this gives the town an advantage because we know from the get-go the style of the masonic messages.
As for kills, this could be anyone. Someone could either be doing an obvious "screw you" to Kage's curse or not know about it at all. However, going by the mechanics of Kage's kill (armour, lrage, etc.) I'm going to
Vote: Sir Moody
for now.
If you go back and look at my game then you'll notice that neither one of those is my writing style. Nice try though.:sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
jeez you make a few spelling mistakes and now you get votes because the kills have a few tiny errors in... im not the only one who cant type/spell you know...
well in the classic style of my mentor Reenk im going to have to
Vote: General hankerchief
in retaliation...
:laugh4: Nice, now I have two votes, neither of them for any good reasons aside from "it sounds like something he would do" or in retaliation. The mafia must be laughing their heads off somewhere.
I highly doubt that. :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
General, you are one of the most experienced players out there, I fail to understand why you still take heed of kill methods, and for that matter, descriptions. Plus, taking into account the possibility of a counter vote, which you got, I don't quite understand why you didn't go for Ultra instead. You're, at the moment, getting lynched if the lynchings were to take place now.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Well, prole did say she was hung over ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Csar
:balloon2:
Hence the 'going out of his way'. Where did you steal the idea for your kill from, anywho?Quote:
Originally Posted by Csar
Csar needs to be put to death
That's why I didn't vote for her ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
It came to me in a vision:sleeping:Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
What's this sudden obsession with my death? Am I that big of a threat to you and your mafioso buddies?
That is a very good point posted by Dutch_guy, why did General not vote in retaliation on Ultra, yet instead voted for Moody?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
However at the present time in my view shouldn't jump to any conclusions...
Unvote: Csar
Hrm HM HM.
Still nothing to go on at all, so I'll Vote: Sir Moody to try and keep GH around.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
:listen: ----- :2cents:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kill #1
~:argue: :argue: :gossip:
:deal:
1) GeneralHankerchief
2) Kommodus
3) Reenk Roink
Vote: General Hankerchief
ok what is with prole - she normally lurks with few posts but suddenly shes rabidly going after csar and then for no real reason unvotes him and goes for me...
unvote: General hankerchief
Vote: Prole
just too odd to ignore
I voted for Sir Moody because I think he's a mafioso, whereas Ultra is just acting like Ultra. Retaliation votes solve nothing.
And yes, I have always paid attention to kill descriptions, especially in the first round. If you don't believe me, examine the last two games (Csar's and Sir Moody's). Even if I'm wrong at least we usually get some valuable information from the host on how much they write, and it starts some discussion.
(edit for slight grammar error)
Well, I didn't state you never paid attention to the kill descriptions (I'm willing to believe you on that) but rather that they aren't as important (mafia catching wise) as many of us thought in the very first few mafia games. Writing style, though, is as you correctly stated an important factor of a kill. And that should be discussed, not the appearance of the murderer - which rarely ever gives us an insight as to who the mafioso might be.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
While you may think the murderer, by the appearance of the murderer, is Sir Moody, I'd say the appearance could point to just about any player. Not one name per sé.
:balloon2:
In response to Generals post this does answer a few questions why you didnt vote in retaliation...
After looking up the last mafia game Proletariat was in she did indeed spend most of the time making very few posts until she was killed. However in this mafia she seems to be behaving completely differently. By making a vast number of posts. For now, unless more evidence appears I will be voting...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Moody
Vote Proletariat
(Edited to Bold Generals name)
I don't get the difference. Writing style factors in appearence. Sure, there's a lot more to it than that, but the mechanics of that kill (British spelling of "armour", a few spelling mistakes) points to Sir Moody. Besides, it being the first round, there is little else to go on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
The writing style of the first kill would seem to point to one of the following:
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Reenk Roink
GeneralHankerchief
Divine Wind
They've been the ones who have written odd theme-kills in the past. Obviously the killer could intend for us to think this way. Remember how Seamus used the Bible-references to start a wild goose-chase after those who had biblical knowledge in Mafia V?
As DG says, going by kill description is not the best idea. It's the mafia who write the kills, and they're more likely to try to mislead than give clues.
Going back over Sasaki's rules, it looks like we have four bad guys (including discovery1) and four good guys (3 Masons plus the soothsayer). However, one of the bad guys can't be lynched, which means our chances of killing a good guy may be slightly higher.
Obviously, at any given point we don't know how many good guys are still alive, since they may be killed by the mafia. However, since this is the first turn, I think the odds are pretty good that all of the good guys are still out there.
Also, despite the smaller-than-usual number of players, we may have more chances to lynch the mafia than we think. Remember this rule?
As soon as one of the mafia is lynched, they drop down to one kill per turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
All these things considered, I'd like to give the masons one more turn to gather useful information. Until more data is available,
Vote: No Lynch
P.S. Looks like I guessed correctly about Reenk's new mode of communication...
Kommodus makes a good case for not lynching this turn. Numbers are not in our favor.
Vote: No Lynch
According to the opinions stated above both in my post and Kommodus' post, I will join the no lynch crowd.
Vote: No Lynch
Well, since last game (when the difference between US and British spelling was highlighted) I don't even pay attention to those anymore either. It's just to simple for a mafioso to make such a 'mistake' and lead to town astray.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
PS: Wouldn't it be better for us townies to lynch a lurker, instead of a somewhat active player ? If it is, that said, not better to vote No lynch this round ?
:balloon2:
Unvote:Abstain
Vote:GH
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
:wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
Adding on to Kommodus's logic
And I doubt that its 'Secret Extra Mafia Members 1-15'Quote:
There will also be other roles besides those listed in this post.
I'm rather of the opinion that a lynch reveals more useful information for the town than no lynch at all. Its as unlikely that we'd lynch someone who is from the pro-town side in a specialist role as it is that they'd be a mafioso. Most likely we'll just lynch a random. And speculation towards their potential lynching can bring out a guilty one into making a mistake to reveal their true identity.
I'm going to say:
Vote: Dutch guy
:gah2:
Thats all?
I will cry.
I was gonna try to write some insightful argument about how it's better to not lynch anyone on round on, but Kommodus beat me to it. I agree with the points he has made. The firs lynches are often random and tend to kill a pro-townie. With the option of no lynch available one should follow that path and encourage discussion some more.
Vote: No Lynch
Encouragment of discussion will occur once I have more time to post.
Hmmm....
All this talk gives me a cunning plan.
Mafia, make room in your in boxes.
And why is that ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Khalifah
:balloon2:
Ooooh…
Killing Kage in the first round are we? I guess the Mafia wants to prove something here.
Reading Sasaki’s rules again it seems the graffiti thing is a special power?
Right now I can’t make sense of it.
As far as I know Loki did not have a specific letter in the Fuþark. Is the grafitti referring to the Norse God at all? Is the Loki reference a clue that we are dealing with an encryption here? Like the letters from a certain Loki that have the people of the web chasing this DaVinci code look alike codeword to enter a certain webpage before the time is up .. http://www.vanishingpointgame.com/..
The wording does suggest that we should sit tight and wait for further instructions though.
While we wait another tidbit of information from Sasaki’s rules says Discovery1 will choose his henchmen.
Well.. We now know that the mafia has not been chosen randomly. We have to ask ourselves; who would discovery choose?
I pressed him for this information in the chat .. was it yesterday? .. and he replied:
Prole, Csar and Husar.
I am inclined to believe that he would not name any of his henchmen to me in the chat… or ?
Discovery has been mafia before and has something to prove this time as he is quite hair sore from that experience. I am inclined to believe that he has at least one experienced Mafioso in his retinue, if not two.
Let us think.
1. The Godfather chooses his henchmen, for reference, read the opening post.
2. Reenk indicates Kommodus may be guilty.
3. Kommodus does not mention any of his "methods" and calls Reenk suspicious.
4. Kommodus wants no lynch.
Now the discoman might have chosen Kommodus to get rid of that evil "method" that is supposed to find mafiosi, who knows?
But I'd like some thoughts from others on that before jumping to conclusions.
No suspicions as yet, Vote: Abstain for now.
Very good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Pro - Kommodus is an experienced player, with a noted series of methods that have been proven to find mafiosi. Disco might want to harness this ability.
Con - Kommodus has become something of a target for both the mafia and villagers of late (Interficio, anyone?). Would Disco risk K falling under suspicion for managing to stay alive for so long?
My vote still stays.
:inquisitive: Um, no I didn't. Can you point out where?Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
I included Reenk in my list of people whose writing styles might be said to match one of the styles used here. (He made a similar list and included me in it; I guess that's a judgement call.) I then immediately said that I didn't think kill descriptions were particularly reliable as evidence.
As for my methods, well, they take a bit longer than one round to acquire the necessary data. You do the math.
As for why I want no lynch, I already gave my reasons. On the other hand, it has been shown that accusing people for the purpose of generating discussion can be quite effective in drawing out the guilty, so I understand why not everyone will go along with me.
Vote:Proletariat
Midday vote count:
No-lynch 4 (Kommodus,JimBob, AggonyDuck, Ituralde)
GeneralH 3 (ultrawar, Reenk Roink,Csar)
Proletariat 3 (Sir Moody, Sir Boo, Warluster)
Sir Moody 2 (GeneralH, Proletariat)
Dutch_guy 1 (Al Khalifah)
Abstain 1 (Masy)
Vote: Reenk
We need more information from our townies than obscure pictograms- fun though they are. Also, the colorful writing style of the first kill makes me think of Reenk- he's known for his roleplaying and themes from prior games. Do I know he's mafia? Of course I dont, but we've got to start looking somewhere and he's my strongest suspicion atm.
not much voting going on...
Vote: No Lynch :laugh4:
Vote: No lynch
I'm not convinced of anything yet.
Hmmm. As usual, nothing definitive has emerged in round 1 (well nothing that is definitive in the moment, retrospection may teach us more).
25 survive.
Disco and his three moles.
3 Masons.
1 Soothsayer -- not exclusive with the above roles, so can't count it.
1+ "hidden" roles.
Of the 24 names in play, three are bad'uns, 3 are good'uns (though the number may be less now), and 1 or more are unknown quantities. The good guy/bad guy ratio is a tie. In fact, since the opening murders generated a better than 15% chance for the mafia to kill at least 1 of the Masons, it could be argued that the chances of lynching a mafia randomly are greater than the chances of lynching a townie.
Consider the perfect mafia scenario:
27 - 2 murdered = 25 (where we are now)
1 lynch yields 24
24 - 2 murdered = 22
1 lynch yields 21
21 - 2 murdered = 19
1 lynch yields 18
18 - 2 murdered = 16
1 lynched = 15
15 - 2 murdered = 13
1 lynched = 12
12 - 2 murdered = 10
1 lynched = 9
9 - 2 murdered = 7 [mafia win with 4-3 control]
EDIT: Note that 1 "no lynch" creates a 4-4 tie at this round, not a townie win. We'd have to forgoe 2 lynches to add a round. And that's forgoing pressure on the mafia too.
However, against the risk of decreasing our numbers further, 1 mafia kill will result in a halving of the murder rate. With this size of a field, a longer killing process will be incompatible with likely mafia victory.
So, with the chances of a random slightly more likely to get a mafioso than not [and no worse than equal even if all 3 masons live and breathe] than I think that "No Lynch" is not the best vote.
I'll VOTE: ABSTAIN for now -- but one of us should go.
Not true in the slightest, and Sir Moody has made the same claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Boo
The last mafia game I was in, I actually was mafia and kage exposed me in the first round, and I was killed quickly. The game before that, I gave Csar a run for his money in spamming the game thread.
My vote stays on Sir Moody, for pointing out a non-existent change in my gaming habits. Have to wonder about Boo now too, being an obvious bandwagoneer.
Vote: everyone but me.
Umpa lump dopedi do,
they are all out to get you
The townspeople discussed all day. Accusations were made and unmade. But in the end the town decided that the best course of action would be to lynch no one.
No-lynch 6 (Kommodus,JimBob, AggonyDuck, Ituralde,Sigurd,Husar)
GeneralH 3 (ultrawar, Reenk Roink,Csar)
Proletariat 3 (Sir Moody, Sir Boo, Warluster)
Sir Moody 2 (GeneralH, Proletariat)
Dutch_guy 1 (Al Khalifah)
Reenk Roink 1 (Xiahou)
EveryoneButMe 1 (discovery1)*
Abstain 2 (Masy,Seamus Fermanagh)
Not Voting 7 (Dutch_guy, Don Corleone,Husar, doc_bean, Peasant Phill Ignoramus, Divine Wind)
*I can find no record of this person in the game. Please see me about this.
***
Current status:
Killed (2):
Caius Flaminius
Kagemusha
Lynched(0):
Alive: (25):
discovery1
GeneralHankerchief
Proletariat
Dutch_Guy
Jimbob
Don Corleone
Seamus Fermanagh
Warluster
Xiahou
AggonyDuck
Sir Moody
Peasant Phill
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Ituralde
Husar
doc_bean
Reenk Roink
Kommodus
Sir Boo
Ultrawar
Al Khalifah
Ignoramus
Divine Wind
Masy
Csar
pm's please
damn, I'm to late to vote. Oh well no harm done. It wouldn't have mattered anyway as I couldn't have changed the result.
Is that the first time a town has ever been so stupid as to not lynch anyone? True, the chances of us killing one of the mafia are slim. But now two more villagers are guarenteed to die. Whereas if we had taken the risk and struck lucky, only one villager would die and we could then deduce who the other mafia were.
As it is, I'm annoyed that I've missed the vote again.
Just a side note, the mafia are making a statement killing off Kagemusha first up. Everyone knows of Kage's curse on the mafia, and it could be that the mafia are two veterens who are hoping to prove the curse wrong by winning with Kage dead.
Really? lets see shall we:Quote:
Not true in the slightest, and Sir Moody has made the same claim.
The last mafia game I was in, I actually was mafia and kage exposed me in the first round, and I was killed quickly. The game before that, I gave Csar a run for his money in spamming the game thread.
My vote stays on Sir Moody, for pointing out a non-existent change in my gaming habits. Have to wonder about Boo now too, being an obvious bandwagoneer.
Mafia V
User Name Posts Sasaki Kojiro 175 Csar 120 Reenk Roink 76 Seamus Fermanagh 66 GeneralHankerchief 65 Kommodus 38 Husar 36 Craterus 30 Kagemusha 29 Crazed Rabbit 28 doc_bean 27 Xiahou 24 Dutch_guy 22 Sigurd Fafnesbane 19 Banquo's Ghost 19 AggonyDuck 17 Proletariat 16 discovery1 15 Don Corleone 15 Ignoramus 14 Silver Rusher 13 Pannonian 12 theRTWGuru 11 God's Grace 8 Masy 8 Destroyer of Hope 7 Zalmoxis 7 Divine Wind 6 Drisos 4 Hepcat 3 Sir Moody 3 Evil_Maniac From Mars 2 Myrddraal 1 UltraWar 1
so thats 16 out of 900+ posts (mine are low as i died in the first freaking round)
then we move onto
Rise of the Mob
User Name Posts Sasaki Kojiro 90 Reenk Roink 57 Csar 54 Don Corleone 50 Kagemusha 41 Sir Moody 38 Seamus Fermanagh 24 Peasant Phill 20 GeneralHankerchief 17 Xiahou 17 Sigurd Fafnesbane 15 Husar 13 discovery1 12 Hepcat 12 Dutch_guy 11 JimBob 8 Proletariat 8 Kommodus 7 Masy 6 UltraWar 5 Ignoramus 3 Silver Rusher 1 theRTWGuru 1 Warluster 1 Crazed Rabbit 1
out of 500+ posts you score - 8
the trend continues through out all the games you are invovled in - its highly unlike your past games to be throwing accusations around and generally playing like sasaki in the first round... that doesnt meen you are a mafia - it does meen you are playing differently...
I suspect given the patterns of killings - in that they took out one of our best mafia hunters - and the fact that the Godfather was allowed to choose his mafioso, I believe that at least 2 out of the 3 mafia will be experienced players and that at least one of these will have been a skilled mafioso before.
No lynch last round I don't think helped but perhaps the mafia will show their hand this round.
Just keep in mind that the reduction from two kills to one is not a valid prove that we have just lynched a Mafia. As stated in the rules the Mafia may choose not to kill. This means that they can just kill one guy after a lynching to convince us that the guy we just lynched was Mafia, maybe even discrediting the lyncheds claims for being a Stonemason or the soothsayer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignoramus
So don't read too much into a reduced number of Mafia kills, especially during the final stages of the game.
Well this was fast one for me.Another early death .I hope that the Masons will have some real powers to clear the mafia scum on the face of the earth. I will be remaining in the game even now that im dead since i didnt have any special role so my death wasnt a big blow for the town. Becouse the mafia was handpicked by Disco, i would think we are facing a combination of 1-2 experienced players and then some newbie who will remain under the radar. After reading the first round posts.Im not ready to point out yet finger towards anyone.
I would also remind folks that Disco, in picking his team, is aware of:
1. lurker advantages/disadvantages
2. who are the "lightning rods" of any mafia game
3. the value of communication that cannot be tracked (not nec on this forum)
In terms of the remaining number of mafia, you are quite correct. However, any reduction in the number of kills increases the number of lynchings that all mafia have to survive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ituralde
:wall: :no: :shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by Many People
Meh, too late.
Gah!
Why is everyone suddenly so sure that not lynching anyone was the wrong decision? Many valid arguments in favor of that decision were posted.
Let me ask you this: when has the town ever successfully lynched a Mafioso in the first round? We almost certainly would've only managed to take out an innocent person. Worst-case, we could've taken out a pro-town role.
Information was gathered, and hopefully this round the masons will be able to give us something useful, since apparently they have that ability. (The first message, if indeed it came from the masons, didn't contain any clues.)
Seamus posted the only valid argument in favor of lynching someone. In fact, I had already calculated his "perfect mafia scenario" and got the same results. I was originally going to argue in favor of lynching someone until I realized how unlikely that perfect scenario would be. (Also I counted the soothsayer among the pro-town roles, while he didn't.)
And BTW, if you don't like the decision but were too late to show up and change it, then here's my suggestion: show up and participate! More discussion does make a townie win more likely.
This is a paramount point -- and remember, fellow townies, we do not have Sasaki around to throw stuff into the game (love him or not, he does get things going).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
Kommo:
The thing that bothers me most about the "No Lynch" is that we almost have to do it again in round 2 or round 3, otherwise the 1st round slowed us down without saving enough lives to add another round of discussion onto the end. Not Lynching in a two murder game must be done twice to affect gameplay (though not, of course, discussion).
Sigurd Fafnesbane was sleeping, dreaming of flowers and faeries like all good townspeople should. But at the front door, all was not well.
"ARE YOU SURE THIS IS THE RIGHT HOUSE, FLUFFY?" a man in a siut of armour was saying to his lizard. Fluffy looked at him in in an alarmed way.
"OH, CURSE ME ONLY BEING ALLOWED TO TALK IN CAPITOL LETTERS! CURSE CURSE CURSE!" the man started screaming, waking Sigurd up and causing him to look outside.
"oh gods, not that!" Sigurd thought, seeing the man in the suit of armour adn his lizard.
"any fate is worse than that" he thought and jupmed out the window to his death. Only itwas a short fall, and he only layed on the ground hurt.
The man in the suit of armour walked over to Sigurd.
"FEAR MY WRATH, VARLET" he said and stabbed Sigurd in the stomach with his sword.
"ANOTHER ONE DOWN, FLUFFY." the two walked away.
***
The town awoke to another dead body and another message on the wall:
Next to this message is another message:Quote:
''Townies, fear not for we are doing our best to rid you of this evil ! Feel free to call these numbers, anytime:
0800 2664 6662368 or, if that line is busy 0800 9275 87837. We are here to help, we must work together !''
***Quote:
German guard of the German faith
Dream liberator of lebanon
The poles gave him wings
All gave him guilding.
And none use him now
Killed (3):
Caius Flaminius
Kagemusha
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Lynched(0):
Alive: (24):
discovery1
GeneralHankerchief
Proletariat
Dutch_Guy
Jimbob
Don Corleone
Seamus Fermanagh
Warluster
Xiahou
AggonyDuck
Sir Moody
Peasant Phill
Ituralde
Husar
doc_bean
Reenk Roink
Kommodus
Sir Boo
Ultrawar
Al Khalifah
Ignoramus
Divine Wind
Masy
Csar
***
Let the voting begin!
I'll be travelling cross country tomorrow, don't know when I'll be able to check in, this will probably be a long lynching round.
Well only one kill. My guess is a mafioso missed his kill or used a special ability to write one of those graffiti messages.
Vote:Husar
Why do you wonder over such things Csar?
Well there's two graffiti's one must be a mafioso's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warluster
Ok guys just to give you all some statitistics in the lynching...
There is 23 Lynchable people left----
Therefore there is 3 Mafia Mebers left = 13% Chance of Lynching
Therefore there is 4 Pro-Townine Roles = 17% Chance of Lynching
Therefore there is 16 Townies = 70% Chance of Lynching
(These proballilities have been rounded up/down)
This may seem quite bleak but i do still believe that lynching is the best option in round 2, now that we have some leads to go on...
Lynch Husar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Boo
two messages of wich only one is in the same style of the last. And it points without a doubt a finger towards Husar.Quote:
German guard of the German faith
Dream liberator of lebanon
The poles gave him wings
All gave him guilding.
And none use him now
Are we entirely sure that a pro-towny left this message?
Hear me out
There are 3 mafiosi that can kill 2 townies each night. So one is sitting idly while two others do the killing. Isn't it possible that lazy number 3 twice sprayed the grafitti and that the 1 kill/2 grafitti last night was a diversion so we would think that the rhyme was authentic?
You have to admit that if the maffia tried to fool us with the that other message, it did a crappy job. To crappy maybe.
So for now:
Vote: Abstain
Let's see what you all think.
hmm i doubt both messages come from the mafia it is more likely one is from the masons and the Mafia either failed to get both targets in on time or chose to kill one... for some reason
I find their choice of targets interesting so far - 2 Veterans 1 Newbie
lets think about this logically the mafia was chosen and so Discovery would be looking for the ultimate combination to produce victory
so what is the ultimate combination?
Well first id pick someone who is a known mafia hunter with a solid reputation of being right more than wrong - someone who could lead the villagers around by their nose for a while
Under this list we get:
Kommodus
Kagemusha
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Seamus Fermanagh
GeneralHankerchief
two of these are already dead but one or more could be mafia
Next you want someone who walks the thin line between being lynched and being killed - Sasaki does this but hes hosting. They can lead conversations in particular ways to save mafia members by using their reputations as trouble stirrers and loud mouths
this gives us:
Reenk Roink
GeneralHankerchief
Kommodus
lastly you may want someone who can slip under the radar - someone who is either new or doesnt draw much attention to themselves - this is the wild card as it could be anyone
for now we should pay close attention to how kommodus, Seamus, GH and Reenk vote/post im sure at least one of them will have been chosen
for now until we get more
Vote: Abstain
oh and no-lynch is a bad choice as it lets people hide rather than voting for real lets try to avoid doing it again...
Oh the funny.:2thumbsup:
I know that 0800 is used for free numbers in Germany but Wikipedia says it's used in many countries.
So much about the supposed mason message
Now to the mafia message, which basically means that I will get killed next round, I think.:sweatdrop:
Just think about it, the last one had to do with Loki which tells me norse mythology and now Sigurd got killed. Now there is a suspected link towards me in the graffity which may simply be an announcement that I am next.
Let's try to get some clues from the lines:
1. well, relates to where I am from
2. my signature
3. my nickname(this may give a few clues since polish winged hussars are not known by everyone)
4. I have no idea
5. this might be a hint that I am next
Since disco is a member of the chat, he could know all that and the message may be written by him.
Then there is Csar, who is quite eager to kill me because I am mentioned which is really bright considering that the mafia indicates they want to kill me next round anyway, but maybe he wants to create an alibi this way?
As in: "If I wanted to kill him next round anyway, why should I have started a bandwagon on him?"
Maybe there is also some numerical code in the mason message(the telephone numbers)? Or the masone message and mafia message are not like I think and the masons point at me for which reason? Ok, that doesn't make sense to me since it indicates that nothing is going to help me anymore, the masons could have put up a more much clear message had they found me guilty I think.(which I am not btw)
That's gotta suffice for now.:smash:
This was the first grafitti. The Loki reference doesn't really point towards Sigurd, but means that the other letter is from Loki, the trickster and deceiver. The question is whether it came from the Masons or the Mafia.Quote:
"The other letter is of Loki
Do no heed its harmful words.
Knowledge we will collect
And distribute to the denizen's of the Gameroom"
This one clearly points out to Husar, but as it is it doesn't really why it points out Husar. Does it mean that he is investigated?Quote:
German guard of the German faith
Dream liberator of lebanon
The poles gave him wings
All gave him guilding.
And none use him now
The numbered message coming from the masons makes absolutely no sense, but at the same time can we trust the other message? What if the Mafia are responsible for both messages?
I think our best option is to ignore these graffitis, simply because we can't really know of their validity at the moment. We can track down the mafia without the confusion and potential guidance provided by these messages.
Now to the voting, I'm going with a gut based vote here. My gut is saying that Seamus and a certain other not to be named yet are mafia members.
Vote: Seamus Fermanagh
Let me fill that fourth one in for you Husar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
That the message points to Husar is so...obvious. I don't know what to think about that.
vote:Csar
Just a hunch, I might change my mind if other people make good points, an dif I read it all in time.
A little correction,
Kagemusha
Sigurd Fafnesbane
is
Kagemusha
Caius Flaminius
There's no helping you people.Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
Lynch Husar.
and the message
German guard of the German faith
Dream liberator of lebanon
The poles gave him wings
All gave him guilding.
And none use him now
I remember that chat conversation,when we were talking about special teams.
I remember someone was here.Husar, if your remember... if you remember....
And the voice form the Heaven stoped...
I don't understand you CF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius
The message wasnt for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Csar