Richard has "unbanned everyone"?
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Richard has "unbanned everyone"?
For now yes BUT the damage has been done by his actions
@S_o_R
Any idea where your skin packs and Hegemonia: CS will find a new home?
prob be moving to the RTR forums and here aswell as for Heg no idea i assume it will maintain its primary location at its own forums
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Originally Posted by killerxguy
that'd be really nice 'cause I quite liked my rank and post count in TWC :beam:
So if I understand this correctly a whole community has just been... killed?
All the hard work, especially from the modders, entirely destroyed? The existence of a community of so many people, just gone...?
It's like destroying a whole village and leaving the inhabitants without a home, forcing them to move to somewhere else.
This may sounds dramatic and off course, this is not real life, but still, the members who visited the TWC everyday and contributed to it, worked hard and dedicated alot of their time...
This is just :jawdrop:
Good luck with the new site guys, hopefully you all saved copies of your work somewhere and you'll be able to become as big as TWC once was.
TWC has been a time bomb waiting to go off. In setting up a "new TWC" (whatever it's name may be) please do not sow the seeds that led to this - i.e. avoid internal politics, have modding of at least the same importance as the rest of the community (and not a poor relative), and don't be so concerned about titles and patronages (get rid of them if you ask me).
But I pretend no great insight or experience - just my honest opinion. Learn from the Org.
everyone has been unbanned and richards invited an open forum, but the site is down or over loaded.does anyone have any idea whats going on?
I've lurked this site for many years, while being registered on TWC.Quote:
I am a Lurker. I have Lurked for years. Two weeks ago I broke down and registered at TWC because of all the mods and I thought maybe I should get involved in a community I have, lets face it, leeched off of since MTW. I was just getting comfortable posting every once in a while when BOOM! TWC blows up in my face. I can come only one conclusion: it's my fault. I broke a sacred covenant. I am a Lurker and at no time should I EVER register at a forum. I knew this and did it anyway and the Forum Gods were watching and were much displeased. So they smote TWC in their righteous fury. My bad.
Of course to post this I had to register here. Uh oh....
It is sad to see what a was such a huge website go down the pan.
ah well..
This seems a like a friendly place.
Well, i was unbanned too it seemed. and before the site went down.Quote:
everyone has been unbanned and richards invited an open forum, but the site is down or over loaded.does anyone have any idea whats going on?
I was reading several threads that with logs from the new admin (priase the fearless leader) had been telling people on the IRC channel the site would be shut down, while it was re-made. before that also, i noticed large chucks of the forums being deleted. such as the mod forums.
You know, watching this whole thing go down over the course of the day kept reminding me of the Death Star scene in Star Wars, whatching helplessly like Leia Organa as Alderaan was obliterated for no other good reason than a show of force.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndresTheCunning
Reading what I could before the site went down (can't get to it now, or any other ON board for that matter) there was some changes that needed to be made, and heavy politicing for and against. Won't say I think anyone was right or wrong, but I can say it has definitely not handled in the best way. Not where the TW community as whole is concerned.
It was a great site that, much like here, I lurked around a lot on and just started to become an 'active' member on. Hope things get resolved and it gets back on its feet, or the new site the banished memebrs are talking about starting gets off its feet and can replace it.
Don't worry i'll make sure the mod community gets greate rprominence on the new site.Quote:
TWC has been a time bomb waiting to go off. In setting up a "new TWC" (whatever it's name may be) please do not sow the seeds that led to this - i.e. avoid internal politics, have modding of at least the same importance as the rest of the community (and not a poor relative), and don't be so concerned about titles and patronages (get rid of them if you ask me).
My god. That's just....unbelievable. ~:eek: For the nothing that it's probably worth, you guys definitely have my most sincere sympathy. I've only been an infrequent visitor to the Centre, but it's a pretty impressive community there. I hope you're up and running again ASAP. :yes:
In the meantime, and on behalf of the Org, I welcome all TWCentre refugees! Regardless of whether or not you decide to stay, there's always a place for you here. :balloon2:
Yup, truly a shame.
I have been lurking around the fan sites for awhile, .Org from the time of Shogun, TWC from RTWs time. Registered to both several times I guess, but always forgetting the login details when I have put TW games on the shelf for awhile.
AAAnnywayyy, I had pretty much no idea what went on internally in TWC, the Curia and other things like that, I was just there for the gameplay discussions and especially the mods.
I sincerely hope that all the hard working modders get a new home swiftly.
Nothing against the .Org but personally I just dislike the appereance nowdays.
I too registered here a couple years ago and cannot for the life of me remember the password or even the email address I was using. :inquisitive:
I always prefered TWC's layout and stuff but I must say I am very greatful for the warm welcome we have recieved here the past couple days. Frankly the only thing I'm after is EB right now so layout aside, I'm here to stay.
Again, thanks ORG.
It is very good that new site is comming along old community - I myself will gladly join the site!!!
Regards
I agree with you Dol Guldur - the internal politics of the site are probably the cause of this event. The TWC really, due to it's republican nature, is prone to let's say, power hungry dictators, as was the original Roman Republican system. It is clear from the events that have occurred that Richard the Lionheart, the dictator, as it were, of this terrible event, was in on this "hijack" from the start, using the Ogre's network staff as a hidden path to power for the TWC site and forum, knowing that he would never get on the staff through these elections that you guys hold with the way he was behaving. This is a very immature attitude in my opinion and would never have occurred on the Guild, even if we did have overlords such as Ogre watching over us every day.
BTW, a very warm welcome to all ex-TWC members.
I am completelly switching to the ORG.
The whole affair happened when I wasn't even there, but such events made me disgusted enough.:furious3:
It's not a good idea to judge on appearances. It is most often those boards that are loaded with eye candy and unnecessary features that have the worst content, members and administration. An eye candy forum skin and lots of toys always attract the wrong kind of people.Quote:
Originally Posted by hammi
I also agree 100% with Dol Guldur, follow that advice and the new TWC cannot fail to return stronger than ever, and replace the old one. Too much emphasis on internal politics, ranks, titles, the forum appearance, features and an elitist approach will soon land TWC back in the same situation again.
While I believe TWcenter had some serious problems making it, for me, an unattractive place to be an active member, and while I believe the site needed a major overhaul, I do not believe the approach taken by Ogre to achieve this was at all productive. If he wants to reform the site to something different, something without the admittedly close community ties that were present, then the least he could have done was to provide a couple of weeks notice allowing people to sort out their site, their modifications, there contacts. This he did not do, and I half wonder in appointing such an inept new administrator this was a concerted attempt to drive away as many users as possible before intergrating the forums more tightly into Ogre's Net.
I wish the best of luck in creating a new site with the old community, but I must echo the suggestions to create a tighter organization structure to prevent new issues.
Hey all Invictus from TWC just saying im supporting the exiled members. Hope you guys get that new site running soon, ill be sure to sign up :) -Leon
the Drama continues...
ON have fired Richard the Lionheart, and reappointed Archer as admin.
meanwhile, TWCs 4 mods now include a CA basher, a former banned member, and a homophobic member who recently engaged in gay bashing.
this is going to be interesting...
thankfully Lusted tells me the new site is almost ready
it should be noted here, TWC politics, and the Curia, played no part whatsoever in this drama. Or the last one either. All the recent problems on TWC have been caused by the very bad relationship between the site community and pro-community staff members on the one hand, and Ogre's Net and pro ON staff members on the other. While i don;t presume to know everything thats gone on behind the scenes, when your sites owners seem to be going out of their way to screw the site over, one way or another, and someone in staff is trying to play both sides against the middle for his own advancement, something is going seriously wrong.
i long for the day when TWC is owned by its own community, and not answerable to anyone else
Hmmm... it seems with this massive influx of refugees it would be the precise time for the .Org to strike deep into the heart of the Sinister Empire that is Total War Center. Rally behind the .org Standard we shall fight for your salvation!
Wow, that whole site appears to have imploded. Don't know anything about policies&politics over there, always seemed to me that the site was a bit elitist for my tastes but the content was pretty good. I do post on another site that isn't twc or the org but geez louise, that was a huge site to go fubar like that.
I have to say I avoided the TWC after the spam attacks some of their members started on the .com. I also disliked how there was 20 different offtopic areas, all with daft latin names. But it was undoubtedly stupid to do what happened to it just recently.
Horsearcher has removed the ability for anyone to see any of my posts or the rest of the people who oppsoe him. We are baisically TWC ghosts. This is a new low for Archer who has totally lost all my respect....
If you support us post this at TWC in the Questions&Suggestions forum (I wouldn't normally advertise like this but I can't do it anywhere else):
Thread title: jp26991 says hi
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Originally Posted by jp26991
That's just sick.:laugh4: I see that every post concerning the new site have been removed too. This guy is going to be the next president or something..:idea2:
I agree with you Spartacus-FIN-, what he is doing is sick - what causes me to wonder why he want to destroy the current site even though he was previously a very well respected high-ranking Optifex, I think that is high ranking, in the community? What confuses me is why HorseArcher would want to use the ON staff for his own means and visa versa - there must be something that we are not seeing behind all this - why is he trying to destroy, by agreeing with ON's ideas, a site that he clearly once supported?
Is horsearcher a good or bad guy?
Is that site entirely run by pubescent teenagers or something? I'm afraid it looks to me as if the place will disintegrate after a power struggle. What needs to happen over there is simple: Some people need to stop playing at Senators & Republics, ban the troublemakers and get one of you installed as the main admin with sole access to the admin control panel. If a new site is started, the same needs to occur. You have based the structure of your site administration around the Roman Republic but you seem to forgetting what happened to that system eventually.
I agree there Caravel, perhaps however, not about the 100% sole access the the AdminCP. As the site is large, perhaps more than that are required to manage the site to a decent extent - perhaps up to three, like here at the .org, yet not eight - I agree with Ogre's net on that matter. Eight men managing a site is almost impossible and, as most of the time they all will be disagreeing with each other, little or nothing will get done, or at least not at high speed. With three it should be much easier to agree on a compromise.
Guys Archer is a Good Guy, I know him and worked with him for about 4 years now. He is honest and wanted TWC to be great, there were ALOT of invisible pressures and crap from higher up and he was Sacked too like all the rest, he only stepped in again to SAVE all that Hard work he put in. Think about it for over 6 months he had no help from ON and then instead of helping him or promoting they dump him and basically decide to USE TWC NAME that was built on mods to make Buku money.
Basically I also had good relationship is H&G so I wont comment on the recent actions, but to say I have only had very good dealings with him.
But the Main issue is the comment he made on what ON has planned! They WONT change their Minds, they will just WAIT again till the right time. I think its obvious ON has change policy probably because of that Internet 2 crap going on, and the corporate takeover of all the Hostsing.
They plan to dump the Modders and their Mods, which means they have become unreliable to support the modders and their work, the only logical course would to move to another site as a backup until the final blow occurs. I am totally nuetral on the political side of things over their, but ON's statements seem clear to me what they are THINKING behind the scenes and that scares me. I think they only Fired H&G because of him slipping and telling about their plans.
Who is the Main person to talk around hear for hosting possibilities?
Lt
All Hail! SPQR Total War!
used to haunt the TWC just for SPQR.
Now i want to get permabanned, so im trying to figure out who to flame. :laugh4:
Itll convince good people to come here!
I can confirm what has been stated.
We are at this moment being censored.
We can post but no one can see them except ourselfs.
My guess they are doing it to prevent us from posting the link to the new site.
What better way is it to do that then to make us think that we have posted the link but no one will ever be able to see it.
Personally that is good.
Now even their biggest supporters will rally to our cause and join the exodus to the new site.
After all, how can people get help with M2TW or their mods if the modders can't post(well they can post but no one can see it) ??
Is that why Archer and the Ogre's Net admin have put us in this mode where no one can see our posts?
List of people on ignore mode:
* jp26991
* imb39
* Tacticalwithdrawal
* Soren
* Ozymandias
* Aristocrat
* -apocalypse-
* Lusted
* TB666
The list of the banned for helping us by posting messages at TWC:
* Mangerman
That is the current list we know of, others can't tell us they are on the ignore list...
I'm on ignore mode too.
A person has taken all the threads in a forum hostage until he is sure he wont be banned or something
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Originally Posted by Evariste
Anyone noticed the new weekly poll at TWC?
"What is the main reason you visit TWCenter?"
1. Information and help for Total War games
2. Modifications for the Total War games
3. Other topic than the Total War games
Option 2 got 71% so far ...
Check out my rant in Content News in :Total War Center Forums > Community News, Articles and Interviews > Front Page News
Very nice work :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
Too bad it will "disappear" in a few minutes and you will be put on the global ignore list. :whip:
That poll, to me, seems like a bit of work on the part of Ogre - perhaps he is having some doubts over turning the site into a general "network" site and wants to think what the general community believe on the matter?
Well right now for you guys its personal, for me I am concerned about ON their statement about the modding is scary, it looks like they plan to make it an Atari style setup. If So my mod work hosting is gone anyway, so I backed up everything I NEED incase of the closing of out forums.
I like Archer, and dont think he is controlling much of this as you think, but I am sure that there is nothing that is going to save TWC now, because the owners have a different mind, even if there is a reprieve they will still go forward later with their plan.
I'm just waiting now to see what happens. Basically for me SPQR comes first, so I have to make sure hosting is available atleast until Internet 2 is off the ground then all our freedom on the net will be gone. :book:
Still waiting to be banned.
If im not banned by the time i wake up (8-10 hours) i will be surprised.
Pevergreen has now been put on the global ignore list.
I can no longer see his good post he made.
Neither can i...sad
posted another two replys to same thread, test it please.
If anyone can't post just edit your name into our list:
http://tw.generalscollective.com/wik...an.27t_Post.21
well if you can't see it yourself then they just deleted it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
Consider yourself lucky then :laugh4:
And I can see your "hello" post.
Lt, we suspect a lot of what happened was because of what Archer said, or because of archers doing. I no longer trust him.
I am about to rally the TW modders to our cause, the latest incident included putting several mod team leaders on global ignore which has stopped them from being able to do anything at TWC.
Im not banned, but i have a junior member saying im spamming. He has less posts than me...and ive posted in 3 different threads.
Ive only been on the TWC 4-5 times since regging there.
Sigh
I hope the new site will be up soon Lusted.
I can't take anymore of this stupid behavior anymore from ON and horsearcher.
Personally I think it is ON admins doing this they have absolute authority over that site. Personally I would wait and see on Archer, This DOESNT sound like the Archer I know, and I have worked with him alot. He is not a Child or a Kid in College.
These actions are unique though because before people were just banned, now they are ignored, This sounds like something Higher up the ladder that is handle this for PR reasons.
Posting Tons of Hate Threads accomplished Nothing and is Childish, just wait and see what happens. They already tipped thier hate when they said they are combining the site to a GENERAL Gaming site and not a modding community. IN the meantime continue your work and when you site is done, People will Know trust me.
In the meantime try not to upset yourself over gaming forums. But I sympathize with the issues hapening to you and others.
I agree with you lt1956 - hate threads, or spam, will only cause more problems for the place and will, sadly, not cause Ogre to back down with his policies or transformation that he has in mind. Yet, perhaps he is having some doubts about his plans - the poll, to me at least, seems to hint at this.Quote:
Originally Posted by lt1956
Lusted I HEARD a rumor that you guys plan to go over to RTR forums? If so I disagree with that choice, Remember RTR knifed the community in the back when they split under Tyr and talked alot of Trash about other mods including Mine and EB. I have nothing against them I just dont know if that is the Best choice?
I have none SPARTAN for a while and he was willing to Host and He helped RTR and EB when they were first starting. GJ liked Spartan well enough and was one of the father of RTR so to speak.
Let me know what you have planned?
minor update
http://tw.generalscollective.com/wik...an.27t_Post.21Quote:
We know that it is Meiyogen too, he more or less admitted to it on msn to me and Ozymandias. He doesn’t want us to be able to advertise the new site and thinks this will stop us!
I would like to thank anyone who I asked to post on TWC to get the message out, poor old Mangerman even got banned for it.
Meiyogen has no right to edit the TWC wiki since it is outside ON network.
This is clearly an abuse of power.
Lt we are not going to the RTR site, the old admins from TWc are setting up a new site, and one which will focus more on the modding community.
And Archer has said so many conflicting things, given conflicting accounts that i no longer trust him. I personally believe he has had a big hand in this.
That sounds like it might have been a misunderstanding of something i said, before i knew they were sorting out somewhere else someone asked me where i would move my skin thread to and i said guild and RTR forums probablyQuote:
Originally Posted by lt1956
Well well....I am the next piece of driftwood to arrive here. I've seen enough on TWC of that complot. I hope the new site will be up soon. Anyway I shall stay on .org for the time being. Seems like much more stable here.
This is a shame..... how this guy become in front of a site like TWC?
It seems that an adult site have in comand a stupid kid..... i always liked to read and participate in TWC and this is just surprising and absurd.
Hey all im just a bit confused as to why people seem against internet 2, could anyone explain? As i do not know much about it the info would be nice. Thanks, -Leon
Internet 2 SOLE purpose is to nock out the little guy and limit Prite Website by limiting their Bandwidth, what will happen will be WORSE than the Phone company takeovers. Sites that Shrill for Parties or Governments and big business will get Premium Bandwidth, those that are independant and fight for the little guy Wont so the Sites wont be hosted or will be so slow its not funny.
Sure at first it will look and feel the same, but thats the old bait and switch, then POW you have all these Rules and restrictions that kick in and what do you do then? Once they switch the businesses the money will be their with I2
Also they could BLOCK political Ideas that conflict with a government at the time and TRACK everything you do ALOT more easy than now, I2 has alot of thought built into it, if you like the internet now and the freedom of ALL these Webistes and information then you wont want internet 2.
You have heard how the CIA is using Google and now Yahoo to Spy on people? They have also shut sites etc that speak against certain parties. This my friend is what is called Fascism and it will be your Worst Hell on Earth and I dont mean DOOM3 Hell either, Try 1984 or Brave New world Hell. No identity or freedom of thought.
Holy Hell in a handbasket...
TWC is sinking very very fast.
Thanks for the lifeboat kind people of the Org.
Very glad to see the TW coummunity sticking together in this.
Well ON is at it again with the banning and deleting threads that in anyway complains about the fubar situation.
I'm pretty impressed, they even delete the threads with fake titles in seconds! They're professionals..Quote:
Originally Posted by TB666
I wonder how this turns out..:yes:
Jesus H. Christ. They´ve deleted the thread with the wiki article by jp 6 times and several others, too. This is madness...
I'm pretty impressed, they even delete the threads with fake titles in seconds! They're professionals..Quote:
Originally Posted by TB666
I wonder how this turns out..:yes:
Remember:
http://tommcmahon.typepad.com/photos...looselips2.gif
ON is now even starting to delete threads on their own forums where people are demanding a comment from ON.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartacus-FIN-
And not just from TWC but from other ON owned forums who are rallying our cause.
Hey all former TWC members. According to the Wiki, I'm on the global ignore list as well (I've tested it out on the boards and it seems to be correct). Rather odd, given that it's been nearly 24 hours since I last posted on there. Apparently my ideas were "subversive" to an extreme for them to muzzle me like that. Ah well. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help get the word out on the new site when the official announcement is made.
In my sig is the link to the new site.
It will be up in 24h-48h.
Soon our wait is over and we are finally home again.
Away from the tyrants of ON.
Thanks, jp just gave it to me over MSN as well. It's in my faves folder.
I want to thank the Org for being so kind as to allow we dissidents to spend our exile here until our new home is up. This will make communication much easier in the meantime.
Well all my duplicate accounts on TWC are exhausted and many have been banned. But www.totalwarhorde.net will live on!
WTF is this all about?
Wow. Just wow. And I used to frequently lurk TWC back in the day, around RTR 4.x or something like that.
Anyway, I have no personal stake in this, but wish you guys good luck nonetheless. It'll be sad to see a lot of the modding content gone.
Not that I even know why Orge's Net would do something like that in the first place. :dizzy2:
Here at the org we don't really have anything remotely close to site politics. Which is good.
The revolution is beautiful :yes:
Now we just need to keep at it.
Things are getting very fishy. I have not been banned (again) yet, but probably will be in ten minutes.
Here is the fishy thing: A user called Narses has become a moderator, although if you see his profile, you see his last post was to say he was leaving. http://www.twcenter.net/forums/member.php?u=7769 (Might be changed once people know)
Unless this is the same guy who in this thread said he was going undercover.
I have been IP banned... :D
I do apologise to .org for advertising the new site but there are exiles here and I think they deserve to know the link.
Especially since the admins over at TWC has now infact censored the word www.totalwarhorde.com to try and keep people from leaving.
Totalwarhorde? Sounds cool. Do you have any details about the new forums, btw? Surely you will maintain the great intellectual offtopic-section?:yes: And the traditions of the TWC will live on? (the good traditions of course:p)
So, is it totalwarhorde.com or totalwarhorde.net??Quote:
Originally Posted by TB666
oppss sorry :oops:Quote:
Originally Posted by Juggernawt
It's .net
I'm too used to .com
totalwarhorde.net
I like the name. :yes:
I'm a father of a mod over there...
I'm definately going to twh.net