Valor One Tournament

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but it's closer than leaving cav at v0 while the spears have to go to v1 just to have enough morale to make them usable. I realize now that the people who play MTW/VI regularly don't care if spears are usable. You could remove them from the game, and it wouldn't matter to them.

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Thats the reason I dont like the v1 rules. Are you telling me that V1 Chiv Knights wont destroy V1 spears? That V0 Chivs wouldnt have a harder time? Isnt vo chivs vs V1 spears better? Which makes spears more vialble?

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

Are you telling me that V1 Chiv Knights wont destroy V1 spears?

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Yes.

v1 Orderfoot cost 680 have 5 melee + 2 shield + 5 anti-cav + 3 rank = 15 combat points vs cav and 10 vs inf.
v1 Chiv Knights cost 1147 have 12 melee = 12 combat points.
v1 Chiv Man-at-Arms cost 425 have 9 melee + 1 shield + 1 bonus vs spears = 10 combat points vs cav and 11 vs spears.

The orderfoot are 3 combat points better than the chiv knight which is 1.2**3 = 1.7 times better as long as they are at least 3 ranks deep. The chiv knight is 2 combat points better than the cmaa which is 1.2**2 = 1.4 times better plus you have the charge bonus which will get you about 10 kills on contact. The cmaa are 1 combat point better than the orderfoot which is 1.2**1 = 1.2 times better.

Those numbers do not show the complete truth. Id prefer a chiv knight val 1 in my army over a val 1 orderfoot any day.

The point of the rule is that you CANT AFFORD so many chiv knigths (or other heavy cav) as you can if you were allowed to bring them at val 0. That is the whole thing. I am not at all certain this rule will lead to more spears but it will lead to fewer heavy cav.

Another thing. The lower in florin you go the stronger the cavalry gets. The higher in florin you go the stronger the infantry gets. Very simple and very true since the more money you get the more valour goes to infantry.

Look at 10k games. Upgrades are on infantry, cavalry are still val 0. Look at 15k, all u see are val 4 mil sarg, fmaa and cmaa and val 0 or tops val 1 heavy cav. Go even higher and you will start to see spears also.

Kalle

BTW you have still not signed your team up Yuukie?? 7k val 1 is what you wanted or very near it, the allowance of wepaon and armourupgrade can not take away the balance since no one will be able to use it enough at this florin to ruin it.

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Originally Posted by Kalle

Those numbers do not show the complete truth. Id prefer a chiv knight val 1 in my army over a val 1 orderfoot any day.

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I wouldn't. I'll have 1147 - 680 = 467 to spend on something else. Besides that, you can't beat my orderfoot with your chiv knight. Even if you do, if you loose more than 24 of your chiv knights doing it, it's not cost effective.

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Originally Posted by Kalle

Another thing. The lower in florin you go the stronger the cavalry gets. The higher in florin you go the stronger the infantry gets. Very simple and very true since the more money you get the more valour goes to infantry.

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The cavalry should be strong. It should obliterate ranged units almost instantly, and it should defeat the sword infantry decisively. The problem with using upgrades is that the swords and ranged units get most of the upgrading and become too strong relative to the cav and spears. This happens because the swords are cheap, and the ranged get discounts on their upgrades.

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Originally Posted by Kalle

Look at 10k games. Upgrades are on infantry, cavalry are still val 0. Look at 15k, all u see are val 4 mil sarg, fmaa and cmaa and val 0 or tops val 1 heavy cav. Go even higher and you will start to see spears also.

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I've been saying the upgrades break the RPS ever since MTW v1.1 was released. Creative Assembly claims the gameplay is RPS.

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Originally Posted by Kalle

BTW you have still not signed your team up Yuukie?? 7k val 1 is what you wanted or very near it, the allowance of wepaon and armour upgrade can not take away the balance since no one will be able to use it enough at this florin to ruin it.

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It will hinder light cav beating ranged units if players put upgrades on the ranged units. You will be seeing a lot more light cav, so that cav had better be able to do the job. Also, armor upgrades on ranged units is not desirable because ranged fire is already weak. Those may not be major issues. I don't know. I just haven't been able to raise a team.

Hunters, Ronin, Heerbann, Cacciatori, White Knights, Aggony, and RTK.

Seven Teams. One more and we go :charge:



P.S. Starting with the current competitions (M2TW and Valor One), Clan Wars will have several new awards. Beyond the Winners and Finalist standard trophies, we are now considering a small signature-ready campaign ribbon for all who participate. And last but certainly not least, we are working on a plan to have the winning Clan elect a Most Valuable Player from their contest Team mates, for special recognition. More on this later :grin:

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I wouldn't. I'll have 1147 - 680 = 467 to spend on something else. Besides that, you can't beat my orderfoot with your chiv knight. Even if you do, if you loose more than 24 of your chiv knights doing it, it's not cost effective.

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Well, if the discussion is about saving florin then Ill get the knight at val 0 or with the rules in this tourney I get a val 1 feudal knight, even less combatpoints but id still prefer it over the val 1 spear simply because it is so much more useful and your spear would run before my knights does simply because the person using the cavalry usually decides when and where to strike.

A knight at val 0 or 1 can decide the outcome of the battle, a spear val 1 in mtw-vi usually can not. Sure it might hold a line for a while or win in a frontal fight vs a cav but that is all theory and the situation is not likely to happen. The likely thing is that my val one knight kills you cavalry that must be cheap cavalry since you spent your money on spears and then my cavalry swings to the back of our engaged lines and carries the day.

It becomes even more obvious if you get 3-4 spears and put them in a line and the opponent has equal number of cav positioned in a line opposing urs. Before you can do much about it all the cavalry hits one of your flanks and the spear line will crumble, this also is a theoretical situation but not without connection to what might actually happen in a game.

That being said I do think (and know from experience) that there are tactics that are best done using spears even at low florin games and im sure they can be put to use in this tourney as you tried it vs CBR for instance.

As for putting armour on the missiles taking away the strenght of the light cav I do think it would usually be a waste of money since allready getting 3-4 pavise crossbow or normal crossbow at val 1 in 7k is costly. And even if they have armour they will get tired after exchanging some volleys with opposing missileunits, hold the strike until then :)

Anyways, try get a team together. Buu wants to play for instance and maybe he can bring Cain with him and/or Alexandros.

Kalle

I can only say this; these rules replace the overpowered swords with the overpowered cavs. Simply there is a lack of proper counter units against them now; the spears are both expensive, weak in morale and are very slow in killing the cavalry, while the polearms are plagued by high cost and/or poor morale. Add to this the fact that they're seldom actually able to catch cavalry, and it is hardly surprising that Muslim cavalry armies will most likely rule the battlefield if the player knows what he is doing.

EDIT: But that said, I do like using Muslim cavalry armies. ~;)

It will be intresting to find out....

SEE YOU ON THE FIELD !

oh wait !, i dont have a team yet :S...

but really, if u want some proper unit balance in the medieval era we should totally play Dux mod ;)

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Originally Posted by Kalle

Well, if the discussion is about saving florin then Ill
get the knight at val 0 or with the rules in this tourney I get a val
1 feudal knight, even less combatpoints but id still prefer it over
the val 1 spear simply because it is so much more useful and your
spear would run before my knights does simply because the person using the cavalry usually decides when and where to strike.

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If you take a feudal knight (722), I'll take a chiv seargeant (510).

orderfoot/chiv knight = 680/1147 = .59 with a 3 combat point advantage.
chiv sarg/chiv knight = 510/1147 = .44 with a 2 combat point advantage.
chiv sarg/feud knight = 510/722 = .70 with a 4 combat point advantage.
feud sarg/feud knight = 340/722 = .47 with a 1 combat point advantage.

The chiv sargeant has lower morale, but they do work. They even worked at v0 in 5k mtw/vi games. You can get the morale back with a feudal sargeant, and it's 20% stronger in combat than the feudal knight for less than half the cost. The 1 combat point advantage of the FS is on the attack value while the 4 combat advantage of the CS is all on the defend value, so the FS will kill cav 20% faster than the CS and the same rate as the OF. The FS will loose a lot more men.

Admittedly, it's nowhere near the YS/HC 400/1200 = .33 with a 4 combat point advantage of spears in Samurai Wars. It has become apparent that 99% of the players around here don't want that kind of gameplay anyway.

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Originally Posted by Kalle

A knight at val 0 or 1 can decide the outcome of the
battle, a spear val 1 in mtw-vi usually can not. Sure it might hold a
line for a while or win in a frontal fight vs a cav but that is all
theory and the situation is not likely to happen. The likely thing is
that my val one knight kills you cavalry that must be cheap cavalry
since you spent your money on spears and then my cavalry swings to the
back of our engaged lines and carries the day.

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Mobility should cost something, and when you can take cav at v0 in 10k mtw/vi games it isn't costing anything relative to a spear which needs upgrades to compete with the upgraded swords. It's not theory that the spears win in a frontal fight at equal valor. You can prove it with tests.

The tactical problem is to get the spears matched up with the cav. Assuming equal money spent on ranged units, the army with no spears can have better cav than the army that contains spears. However, the army that contains spears can have better swords. For example:

CK (1147) + FMAA (297) + FMAA (297) = 1741
FK (722) + OF (680) + CMAA (425) = 1827

It's not quite equal cost, but it's close. Since weapon and armor upgrades are allowed, the player with the two FMAA can put +1 weapon on one of the FMAA making it equal to a CMAA but with less morale.

CK (1147) + FMAA (297) + FMAA + 1W (396) = 1840
FK (722) + OF (680) + CMAA (425) = 1827

The player with the CMAA could switch it to FMAA + 1W, but the 29 saved might not be enough to be useful. I don't think you'd want more than 2 OF because you won't be seeing more than 2 CK even from someone who is hell bent on going with a cav/sword army.

Clearly the CMAA will beat the FMAA, the FK will beat the FMAA + 1W and the OF will beat the CK. The main difficulty is getting the OF matched up with the CK. The OF has to react to the movement of the CK, and has to be close enough to engage the CK if it goes after the FK or the CMAA. The player who takes spears has to be a reactive counterattacking type of player who doesn't mind conceeding the initiative to the other player. Also, you clearly have to manage 3 different types of melee units rather than the 2 different types of regular mtw/vi 10k.

The cav has the initiative because it has higher mobility than the spear, but the spear can rotate fast enough to prevent the cav from flanking it. The spear has to avoid getting locked up with a sword so that it's available to counter cav.

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Originally Posted by Kalle

It becomes even more obvious if you get 3-4 spears and put them in a line and the opponent has equal number of cav positioned in a line opposing urs. Before you can do much about it all the cavalry hits one of your flanks and the spear line will crumble, this also is a theoretical situation but not without connection to what might actually happen in a game.

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Making a spear line of that can be pinned by enemy swords is not a good tactic. The enemy cav will most likely come around the flanks and win. Spears would be best used to defend the flanks, but the enemy can send his swords to the flank and the spear player has to have a response to that.

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Originally Posted by Kalle

That being said I do think (and know from experience) that there are tactics that are best done using spears even at low florin games and im sure they can be put to use in this tourney as you tried it vs CBR for instance.

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I favored the OF, but CBR favored the CS when we were playing the 5k games. The CS is more cost effective, but I prefer the stronger unit since you can use it more aggressively. Above 6k CBR wouldn't take spears, and he demonstrated very clearly to me in several MP battles that the spears were not viable when playing with more than 6k using upgrades. CBR thinks the gameplay is still too far out of balance even with the all v1 rule. I'm not so sure about that, but then again I used 4 spears all through MTW v1.1 and well into VI. It took me a long time to give up on the spears, and then I tried very hard substituting swiss halberdiers. I was even using 4 swiss halberdiers in the finals of the mtw/vi cwc 4v4 against the Silents, but they only succeeded in the first battle and then they started using vikings to kill the halberdiers.

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Originally Posted by Kalle

As for putting armour on the missiles taking away the strenght of the light cav I do think it would usually be a waste of money since already getting 3-4 pavise crossbow or normal crossbow at val 1 in 7k is costly. And even if they have armour they will get tired after exchanging some volleys with opposing missileunits, hold the strike until then.

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You're probably right. I just don't know how cheaply they can get it with the discount.

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Originally Posted by Tomisama

Hunters, Ronin, Heerbann, Cacciatori, White Knights, Aggony, and RTK.

Seven Teams. One more and we go :charge:



P.S. Starting with the current competitions (M2TW and Valor One), Clan Wars will have several new awards. Beyond the Winners and Finalist standard trophies, we are now considering a small signature-ready campaign ribbon for all who participate. And last but certainly not least, we are working on a plan to have the winning Clan elect a Most Valuable Player from their contest Team mates, for special recognition. More on this later :grin:

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Hey,

good idea Tomi..:yes: :beam:

I think it's good for teams that don't win the CWC tournment or be a finalist to at least get a ribbon or something to say "Hey,at least we was in CWC and had fun.."



:yes: :yes:

There are a lot of Ronins. So perhaps some ronins who are not needed from Clans could build an own team and take part at the tourney. So all can play and we got one more team.

just looking on the clan war forum and just saw that we need the vi mappack...

any chance u could give me a link to download this vi mappack

thanks in advance


-Scias-

http://www.clanwarscomp.org/samurai/...PackVol1-3.zip

:bow:

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Originally Posted by |Heerbann|_Luculus

There are a lot of Ronins. So perhaps some ronins who are not needed from Clans could build an own team and take part at the tourney. So all can play and we got one more team.

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Hey m8,

there is a Ronin Team in there, and It is Lead by Me, FYI :2thumbsup: :yes:

Valor One Tournament First Round posted :knight:

http://p219.ezboard.com/fclanwars3540frm84

Hey,

YAY,good luck all!!!!!!!!

WWAAAAAAARMAAAANNN, I hope you are preparing both urself and ur troops, I hear that we, the mighty hurting Aggonys. are preparing to ride into your lands to inflict pain and carry home whatever loot we might find!!!!! :viking: :viking:

What army are you gonna use?? Tell me so we can discuss it!!!! :clown:

/Kalle

After some all v1 battles last Saturday, Ducky is right. While I did see some examples of spears working in the team battles, spear morale is a bit too low for team games where they can be swarmed by cav. They worked ok in 1v1, but the outnumbered morale penalty tends to be larger in team games. Spears may still be viable if used conservatively.

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Originally Posted by Kalle

WWAAAAAAARMAAAANNN, I hope you are preparing both urself and ur troops, I hear that we, the mighty hurting Aggonys. are preparing to ride into your lands to inflict pain and carry home whatever loot we might find!!!!! :viking: :viking:

What army are you gonna use?? Tell me so we can discuss it!!!! :clown:

/Kalle

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HEY KALLLLLLLLLE,


We are Prepring to defend our Swissland Home and Swissland Castle 2_5_2 against your troops,SWISSLANDWARRIORS ALWAYS SAY NO SURRENDER:clown: :beam:


What Army?? I proably Will be using Poland for 1 game and another faction for another:beam:

switzerland

I've played my first Medieval game since ages on Saturday in a v1 test game.
I was a bit puzzled. It feels very slow compared to SamWars, especially the spears and pavs move like snails.
What really annoyed me was the performance of Jinetes. I thought they were a ranged unit. :wink: I had to get so close with them that it felt like a melee unit. Do you have any advise on their use? Are they worth considering at all or should I better go for Mounted Sergeants?
Tosa, have you been satisfied with the performance of your Jinetes?

Jinetes have a javelin which are very short range. They are the same as mounted sargeants in melee except for lower charge bonus. Morale is the same for both, but the Jinetes are faster. I tend to like the unit, but haven't tried it in the all v1 battles. Javelins can be positioned behind your infantry and used as close support just before the infantry engages in melee.

Hello R'as al Ghul,

They are short range javelins. Ranges in RTW and M2TW are higher, so when used to that it will require some time to get the hang. I've no complaint about my Jinetes.

I normally use Jinetes to support the hand to hand combat: throw a few missiles and then backstab. But the situation was a bit different now.

Spearunits move slower yes, fair because they have to carry a shield, which ashigaru didn't have.

If you want the best in horse archers go Hungarian Szekely :charge:

Has any one gone so far as to make up a Valour One unit spec or comparison chart?

P.S. Sorry I missed any further Sam games Sunday. Game Spy locked my name out, then I got tangled up with re-starts and re-registration errors. Finally ended up reversing (which worried George), then shortening my name to get in. But it was all over :dizzy2:

Of course they're ranged, I knew that but that they're so short ranged I didn't expect. I tried to get Tosa's General with them and at one time I was uphill and very close by and yet they didn't fire a single shot. That was frustrating. I've to admit that I'm used to the M2 Javelins.

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Spearunits move slower yes, fair because they have to carry a shield, which ashigaru didn't have.

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I didn't want to start anything. Honestly. :hide:

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Has any one gone so far as to make up a Valour One unit spec or comparison chart?

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I'll look into it. Maybe I can come up with something.

Spears in MTW/VI are the same speed as yari samurai in STW and SW: walk speed = 6 and run speed = 10. The yari ashigaru are 20% faster: walk 7 and run 12. Cav is the same speed as well: regular cav run speed = 20, light cav run speed = 24 with the exception of cav archers in STW and SW with are only run speed = 20.

Okay then. Good to know.
Seems to be a matter of perception when I thought it was slower.

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Originally Posted by Tomisama

Has any one gone so far as to make up a Valour One unit spec or comparison chart?

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Use Yas' VI units master tool for MTW/VI. http://totalwar.co.kr/medieval/indexx.html

How's the formula?

v1 adds 1 att, 1 def and 2 morale?
If so I can post a spreadsheet here.

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Originally Posted by R'as al Ghul

v1 adds 1 att, 1 def and 2 morale?

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Yes. You'll have to look in the projectiles.txt file to see the discount on ungrades the various ranged weapons get.

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Originally Posted by Puzz3D

Use Yas' VI units master tool for MTW/VI. http://totalwar.co.kr/medieval/indexx.html

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Yes I have the Unit Master, thanks.

And Army Builder too.

But a single page, compare-at-a-glance chart, is a very handy thing to have when you need a quick reference :yes:

Infantry stats @ valour 1:

Numbers in parenthesis show the attack/ defense bonus versus Cavalry. $ designates the Shield for Armour and Defense. It's noted on the right side of the respective Armour or Defense value


Missile-Infantry stats @ valour 1:


Projectile Info by Tomi:

Cavalry stats @ valour 1:


Missile-Cavalry stats @ valour 1:


Cavalry-unit speeds by Tomi:

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Fast - March 9 - Run 24 - Charge 26
AlanMercenaryCavalry
GoldenHordeHorseArchers
HorseArchers
MountedCrossbows
SaharanCavalry
SpanishJinetes
SteppeCavalry
Szekely
TurcomanHorse
Turcopole

Slow - March 9 - Run 12 - Charge 16
Kataphraktoi
GothicKnights
BerberCamel
BedouinCamelWarriors

Normal - March 9 - Run 20 - Charge 22
(all of the rest)

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This should be okay now. I had some mistakes at first but now it seems to be fine.
Please report any errors, wishes, critique.

:bow:

R'as

Edit: I'll post an excel sheet later.

Very good effort, I have to point out though, after a very quick view of it, that it is not correct on at least some things. Morale seems to have some values very wrong and morale is crucial at this florinlevel. Morale of val 1 kataphraktoi and val 1 kwarazmian cavalry is not 9 for instance (I think it is 6 for both of them) and feudal knights is not 6 it is 10. For those not having played the game for as many years as some others it is even more important to show the correct info since they might not notice the mistakes.

Also it do not show anticav values for anticav infantry I think?

If you want to make the list perfect there are also some units not available in the high era and/or in multiplayer but this is of less concern I think.

Anyways good work.

regards
/Kalle

Dont bother with my comments, you made it correct while i was writing the post i think :)

You posted while I edited.
Please check again.

AntiCav? Ok. I'll put that in later.
I took the eras from the unit_prod. If you know which units aren't available please tell me.

R'as

Excellent R’as :grin:

Now my minor contribution.

Cavalry Speeds

Fast - March 9 - Run 24 - Charge 26

AlanMercenaryCavalry
GoldenHordeHorseArchers
HorseArchers
MountedCrossbows
SaharanCavalry
SpanishJinetes
SteppeCavalry
Szekely
TurcomanHorse
Turcopole

Slow - March 9 - Run 12 - Charge 16

Kataphraktoi
GothicKnights
BerberCamel
BedouinCamelWarriors

Normal - March 9 - Run 20 - Charge 22
(all of the rest)


Edit: These were taken from Yas Unit Master, I hope they are correct.



Does anyone have the range specs handy?

And maybe a fatigue study for VI?

I think that would polish this off nicely if available :wink:

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Excellent R’as :grin:

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Just imagine, I'm getting paid for this. ~:thumb:

AntiCav stats are in now.

Nice work R'as.

Columns for run speed and armor pierce capability?

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Originally Posted by Tomisama

Does anyone have the range specs handy?

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Longbow 120 meters
Archers 100 meters
Xbows 100 meters
Javelins 30 meters
Grenade 26 meters

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Originally Posted by Puzz3D

Columns for run speed and armor pierce capability?

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I've added an AP column.
Run speed in numbers or fast, medium, slow?

All of those stats lack the shield values both in armour/defense. ~;)

Acknowledged, Sir, Ducky, Sir! :wink:

Stand by. (first thing tomorrow)

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switzerland

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Hey,

NO, IT SWISSLAND!!

See, My SwissPikemen came from switerzland in 2004, but then we settle in SwissLand a month later I started on VI, so We lived in SwissLand:yes: :yes:


Ras, how long it take you to make these excel sheets??

Took it a little farther.

Longbow 120 meters 28 Arrows
Archers 100 meters 28 Arrows
Xbows 100 meters 28 Bolts
Javelins 30 meters 4 Javlin
Grenade 26 meters 10 Grenades
HandGun __meters 10 Shot

:book:

Okay, I've added the shield values, projectile ranges, cav speeds.
Anything else?

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Ras, how long it take you to make these excel sheets??

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Don't know, mate. I do this at work and cannot keep constantly at it. I've other stuff to do, too. In a period of 4 hours I maybe spent 90 mins at a time on this yesterday and today.

Hail R'as, thanks for the info, but seeing as you have done it at work, i feel the 90 mins u spent on it shud be deducted from your wages and paid into the Totalwar community, or better still into Aggony's Treasure chest :thumbsup:
:turkey: :england:

Hey,

no Judgee, it should be deposited in the SwissLand Castle Valut.. My Castle and Swissland Pikes of Armourland need money to :D :)

Warman have u been in touch with ur fellow ronins to se when we can play the match :knight: :horn: :turkey: :england:

Hey,

Yes, Matter of Fact, I was waiting for the You and your fellow Aggony warriors :D

But Not on Sunday Though, Sunday is my 15h birthday :D

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Originally Posted by R'as al Ghul

Run speed in numbers or fast, medium, slow?

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I'd use the numbers.

You don't have to show the shield value twice. It's redundant.

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You don't have to show the shield value twice. It's redundant.

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Not completely redundant though. There are some units like the Varangians and JHI who do not use their shields for melee. But yes, it is mostly redundant.

****IMPORTANT MESSAGE FROM RAISON****

OK...I am still looking for one more player in our team:wall: . If anyone knows anyone trying to get on a team let me know ASAP at littleuniverse@ntlworld.com

Otherwise it seems we will not be able to field a team which is a bugger to put it mildly..


Cheers
Rais

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****IMPORTANT MESSAGE FROM RAISON****

OK...I am still looking for one more player in our team . If anyone knows anyone trying to get on a team let me know ASAP at littleuniverse@ntlworld.com

Otherwise it seems we will not be able to field a team which is a bugger to put it mildly..

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Well....................You could always join Aggony :laugh4:

just visit our castle mate:thumbsup: :turkey: :england:

Rais..Did you ask Max the levellier?

He did say he would be willing to participate in the tournament m8...

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Originally Posted by {KotR}Sir_Raison{P}

****IMPORTANT MESSAGE FROM RAISON****

OK...I am still looking for one more player in our team:wall: . If anyone knows anyone trying to get on a team let me know ASAP at littleuniverse@ntlworld.com

Otherwise it seems we will not be able to field a team which is a bugger to put it mildly..


Cheers
Rais

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I'll join your team Rais, if you can't find anyone else. This is Faust by the way, remember :beam: ? My controls are kind of messed up (I'm not afraid to say), but in most situations I will be at 100% effectiveness. But you might want to find someone who can be 100% effective all the time. If you have no luck though just let me know.

***Actually, I've thought better of it. It might be tough with my schedule. I may only have 1 day per week that I could guarantee participation. So thats a NEGATIVE for me.

Sorry about this.***

We need one more Team to round out this competition.

Several Sign Ups have obviously mistaken the Valour One for a M2TW contest, and that has left us in a hole (my fault).

Two peps from a Clan and two Mercs (members from other Clans) or Ronin.

Even any mix of Ronin or Mercs, or all Mercs or all Ronin, banned together for this competition.

The commitment is for two battles (every three weeks) playing all other contending Teams one time.

We need a Team leader to Sign Up, or individules who are looking to be on a Team, and we can grow a Team on the spot.

But please, we need to hear from you right now :charge:

http://p219.ezboard.com/fclanwars354...opicID=1.topic

Thanks in advance!

:2thumbsup:

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Several Sign Ups have obviously mistaken the Valour One for a M2TW contest, and that has left us in a hole (my fault).

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Why don't you consider changing it to a regular mtw/vi 10k contest? Apparently, that's what the players want.

na 10k would be no fun :laugh4:

Then make it 15k or whatever it is that you people play.

we play 10k and 11k all the time , thats why this 7k wud be fun 1v:charge: :turkey:

The lower the florin, the higher the generalship skills requirment :yes:

We have cooked up a workaround on the above missing team problem. Having 1 team play 2 other teams in a round. And in the next round, another team has 2 opponents.

Every team has to play every other team anyway. And it doesn't matter when that happens, just so that it gets done :grin:

Monday is the closing day for this round. Please do your best to finish up this weekend, as this contest does not stop. Any matches still outstanding will continue on top of the new battle assignment of the next round.

:bow:

I do not understand how you connect this;

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Originally Posted by Tomisama
Several Sign Ups have obviously mistaken the Valour One for a M2TW contest, and that has left us in a hole (my fault).

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with this;

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Why don't you consider changing it to a regular mtw/vi 10k contest? Apparently, that's what the players want

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I do not understand how to connect the two. If you think it would take away the hole that Tomi speak of I think you are wrong since most (or even all) of the clans that have at least some presence still in VI has entered the competition.
/Kalle

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Originally Posted by Kalle

I do not understand how to connect the two. If you think it would take away the hole that Tomi speak of I think you are wrong since most (or even all) of the clans that have at least some presence still in VI has entered the competition.

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I missread it. I thought it said MTW and the valor 1 was the problem.

hello all today we had some might great games with the Hunter clan and we went 1-1. we hope to see them in the finals and u guys well meet up soon.





sign: {WK}Dream^

Heerbann vs RTK

We fought our first match in this tournament. We were supported from
ELITEofBLIZZARD as a ronin to fill our 4th spot. He did well. We are glad to have him on our side.

The battles were hard, fast and interesting. Both battles were on the knife's edge, the 2nd one was even almost lost but we were lucky to turn it around.

Facing a prepared team with strong members like in tournaments like this, are always having a special charakter for me.

RTKs and Eresh are skilled and experienced opponents. We were lucky to gain 2 victories. It was a pleasure for us to meet on them.

I also want to mention them as very honourable players.

Strength and Honour
|Heerbann|_Luculus

Well done to all that played so far.Good to see this get off the ground and inject some life back into the game.For those that wanted to join my team,thanks for your support.I have found DeviantKnight as a current replacement for Scurvy (Mate, if your about drop me a line at littleuniverse@ntlworld.com Your e-mail doesn't work!!)

Our 1st match looks set for Saturday 24th Feb against the Mizu's.
Wish us luck..we'll probably need it!! :surrender:

Rais :england: :thrasher: :england:

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Originally Posted by {KotR}Sir_Raison{P}

Our 1st match looks set for Saturday 24th Feb against the Mizu's.

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I'll try to assemble my team for Saturday, 24 March, at 19:00 GMT. Since we don't play mtw/vi, you won't see us there without a specifically arranged time.

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Rais :england: :thrasher: :england:

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haha i had "cold as Ice" on as i saw your post it Rocks:thrasher:

Rais ur team are highly skilled warriors, just a shame ur clans are inactive, so u pull together a good squad of Ronins,

all the best in ur matches mate, may Allah be with you :sultan:

:turkey: :england:

Clan's not inactive, just playing w0w too much. Many of us are burned out on TW. Even I can't play more than a few hours a month.

And I ought to be there barring death, injury or serious girlfriend troubles.

Why you think I quit? This community is the most disgracefull I ever seen, plus I'n to burn out.BF2 pwnts TW anyday.

Lmao, dont like it just go away then. :clown: Heres a balloon for you :balloon2:
Kalle

and here is to celebrate ~:cheers: ~:wave: :turkey: :england:

Hehe Judgee, I am happy we will meet again in a final round of a tournament, also in this one.

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As You know Heerbann has got his old strength back and moreover we have a new very dangerous general in our team. So You'd better get the heaviest armors when You move to the fields^^

:viking:


But You also know friends will be friends whatever will be the result of that match.

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So let's rock
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and lets drink some ales after it^^

:medievalcheers:

Best regards

:germany: |Heerbann|_Luculus :germany:

Of course friends will be friends Luc~:wave:

yes ur new general, i am weary of this new one:horn:

but will still make it fun and my heart will beat even faster when the horn blows for battle :horn:

:england: :turkey:

I see through your trickery! Suggesting us to wear the heaviest armour possible would only slow us down and stop us from outmaneuvering you and actually allow you to catch us. :inquisitive:

Who is this "new" general??

Egil please lend me your sharpened axe for the upcoming battle, there are new heads to be chopped it appears!! :viking: :viking: :viking:

Kalle

Heerbann_Crusader, he speaks german, so ur guess as good as mine, and Luc wudnt have let him in easy, so he must be a VET:knight:
:turkey: :england: