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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Me to. I had firewall ploblems at start, but I came on few days after, and saw old vets, like MagyarKhan,Kuorgange (dunno why I can't spell his name lol), Kanuni, Another Grey Wolf member, my old friend Relok.... You get my point. I just think, I also fell for the lies CA told us about MTW2, and that not a suprise since I only been doing MP since Early 2004 on VI. but to see older vets trying out the game, and leaving, makes me sick. I know some vets play the MP still, and that's fine, keep the MP going, but you know, why you think I can't stand playing MP anymore? just doesn't have that "feel" to it like STW:MI or MTW:VI had or even Samurai Warlords Beta8
Ye...Warman remembers those days very well...Although...He was 5 years old by then. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888
I was actually 8, playing SP every day :laugh4: ,I should have just stuck with VI:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf_Kyolic
Though I was tempted to join the MP ranks of STW< but never got around to it back then. big mistake me thinks for me :yes:
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Originally Posted by |Heerbann|_Di3Hard
People really dont get it. In deep respect of all the Mplayer, but with like 3% of the whole sales, this is just.....gah!
If u really bought the last games, ur fault!
I playtested it and after that i decided since RTW, to not buy it.
CA did lie in the one or the other way since STW, STW came out with a announced Online Campaign... If u didnt learn it by now, i dont know.
But this all isnt the point! Its only about, do u like the current TW game or not. If not, u come alond here and make some emotional posts abotu the good old time... i dont see the use of complain over and over again.
The major SP market, thats where CA earns the money, doesnt care for this MPlayer stuff at all. U can cry u can describe how crap it is, but u wont change anything. Noone who plan to buy a CA game goes to the ORG and check MP forum to decide, if hes buying the game or not.
Mars
Some of the old players come back here to check the status.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars
Here's the status:
The multiplayer game is a tactical extravaganza with finishing moves that will make your eyes pop. Don't worry about the lag because there are plans to attempt to fix that in the next game, but you have to realize that the code base is huge which makes finding the cause of a problem like looking for a needle in a haystack.
Puzz3D,
Mate you know I respect your knowledge of this game and your contribution to this community. But in a few threads on here you've been a fairly vocal detractor against M2TW (as have I). Having admited you dont own a copy of the game!. Im just going to say this, and please dont take offence. I dont think you should be commenting in M2TW threads unless you at least own a copy of M2TW... because at the moment your behaviour in similar to the definition of a troll.
I at least bought a copy and played a few games online so I could feel justified in having an opinion on the MP forum. The game is what it is, its not going to be drastically altered or improved, and I doubt you are suddenly going to buy a copy. So why flog the dead horse? I would not see a problem with posting how much better MTW is compared to M2 in the MTW forum, or posting in threads about the next title. But its getting a little like a broken record dude, Im sorry but I dont think you should be bagging a game based on the hearsay of others. Its the whole customers right to complain thing.. but your not a customer. Given the game is as it is I dont think theres anything positive to be gained by giving it a flogging at every opportunity. Or if you are wanting to give it a flogging - then buy a copy at the least or keep the critiques out of the M2TW forums. Please make as many constructive comments as you wish from your knowledge of past games.
Kocmoc,
strength and honour
with respect :bow:
Yun
The game is better than VI is some ways but worse in most. The graphics go along way in making it enjoyable. Like any general If your units dont perform as designed or ordered either find others to fill the role or find out what the unit is good for. The patch in general has improved things but now it seems archers are almost useless unless mandated by rules. It also seems that cav limit rules are needed as well. With the right rules the game can play much like VI. But we should not have to resort to that. Hopefully things will continue to improve with the expansion.
If I knew of a better game like this I would play it. And remember my new PC wont play VI. Plus theres still enough of us old guys there to make it fun.
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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
There will be a huge f..k up in terms of balance and stuff and people will start begging for a patch. The "patch" will come after 6 months and it will solve half of the problems. Then people will start begging for an other patch and CA will be good enough to give them an other patch after an other 6 months (1 year in total) and by then, the new TW would be announced as well and people will start dreaming that it will be the "ultimate" tw ever. When it is released...
Return back to start of the above paragraph if you want to know what will happen when that next tw will be released.
Tell me about it. I came here when MTW 1st started. Then along came VI and i said to myslef this is great. Then they started announcing what RTW was going to be like. I remember how psyched up everyone here got and it went on for over a year. Then the game comes out and its a step backwards. Its seems this is the way they do things. I still think they would be better off perfecting one game before moving on to the next. Instead none ever gets perfected or even close.Quote:
Return back to start of the above paragraph if you want to know what will happen when that next tw will be released.
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Originally Posted by Yun al-Din
Because Imo, if you read my post on the MTW:VI/MT2W Thread, I don't believe he needs a MTW2 copy to tell us whenter or not it's trash.He been here long enough to dedice rather or not a TW game is good or not, rather he plays it or not.
you could always argue about me. I orginally thought RTW was going to be great, only to play it for a year, and hated it, only staying to try to expand BHC.
Puzz is a psychic? :idea2:
So that explains how he's able to judge games without playing them!
Thanks for clearing that up Warman! ~:thumb:
No he is experienced and smart enough to know what he is talking about. I dont see many "vets" here arguing the points he makes? If you could combine the graphics of MTW2 with VI and then balance the units a little better you would have a great game. I never played STW but I have played all the others though only RTW for a few days. I thought that was the end of new TW games for me.Quote:
Puzz is a psychic?
In the case of MTW2 the 20 units per player and addition of new units and graphics were enough to make me give it a try. Heck I only had to spend $1500 on a new pc :laugh4: Just about the only thing I used my old pc for was MTW/VI. Now I have to admit that VI is IMO still a better game as far as being realistic and having control. But lets remember in real battle troops didnt always jump when ordered for a number of reasons. Also it wasnt so easy to send them. These guys have no cell phones or walkie talkies or radios.
My point is for me at least there is enough good things in MTW2 to make it enjoyable. Again with the right rules and players its very reminicent of VI. Im having fun and thats all I care about. Other than making it more fun by trying to make it better. If it has limitations so be it. But we can still strive for improvement.
Um No. He is Expericed enough to make a decsion about this. He been here longer then alot of people (including us 2), so oblious,, like I said, he knows what MTW2 without needing to play it. I don't actually see anyone here arguing the point he can make, argeeing with Garwain. He is just posting his opinion, no need for people to jump on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grey_Fox
Some call us CA fanboys, but I know what you are
:daisy:
Puzz will have been around for say 7 years, as that's how old these games are. And he's allowed to judge MTW2 on that.
Well I've been on this earth for 19 years so I can say that the high council of the Inuit :daisy: and should be replaced
I'm playing STW since 2000, and STW MP since 2001. I've been playing every TW title, every TW patch, and the impoverishment of the product has gone clearly down in multiplayer mode. Even the AI in single player is worse with each TW release.
I purchased my M2TW and I am agree with Puzz 90%, as well as many other vets. He is not alone in his statements: at least when he posts, he is posting for me too.
Regards.
Well spoken Mordred but you better watch out, before you know it you will be;
considered trolling by someone who cant stand a game he had no part in making being critizised,
ancient relik of no use by an angry youngster,
strawmanarguementer by a superficial academic
and above all you will be noticed and the mods will prolly be called in to act upon you by the trollhater... :juggle2: :laugh4:
Best regards to Celtiberos
/Kalle
The people who are trolling are the people who say something about something without knowing what they are talking about
And I give nothing about what "vets" think, they're nothing better than me
I never called M2TW trash, and liking or not liking the game isn't the issue. I'm interested in hearing how it plays since the v1.02 patch, and how many players are in the lobby on weekends.
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And I give nothing about what "vets" think, they're nothing better than me
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No Stig Sorry, I think you the :daisy: one speaking here.Really sad.
Because when you got players who played from Every TW game, every TW patch,etc..
It's not hard for them to realize MP is going down.
I'm done with this Argument. This is so idoitc that people:daisy: can't sit down and :daisy: and let people post their opinions.
I never said that Puzz can't post his opinion. All I say is that he would do better buying the game as he has no idea what he is talking about.
And even tho you're done with it I bet you will reply
I'm not going to sit here and be silent while a person who hasn't even touched MTW2 complains about it. I don't mind if people complain so long as they own it or have played it - they've seen it first hand.
Puzz has done neither, he's only going on others' opinions, so I have no idea why he's posting in the MTW2 forums. His past experiences and opinions regarding this game mean absolutely nothing to me.
Did you play STW and MTW online? If not how do you know his points are not valid?Quote:
I'm not going to sit here and be silent while a person who hasn't even touched MTW2 complains about it. I don't mind if people complain so long as they own it or have played it - they've seen it first hand.
Then why are you upset? :dizzy2:Quote:
Puzz has done neither, he's only going on others' opinions, so I have no idea why he's posting in the MTW2 forums. His past experiences and opinions regarding this game mean absolutely nothing to me.
Look he is correct in everything he says. Thats the really sad part. Again you dont hear any of us old farts disagreeing . Its not because were some cabal of ancient warriors. The name of this thread is Your opinions on MTW 2, version 1.02. You dont have to play it to have an opinion on it. Though I do agree it certainly helps:laugh4: But in this case I bow to Puzz's wisdom. I just wish he would be more constructive. But I cant blame him after all the promises CA gave us over the years. Im just glad I enjoy the game. Lets stop the petty bickering. Its not good for anyone.
Don't be daft Gawain, of course I have. I've played you often enough in VI, and a couple of times in NTW.Quote:
Did you play STW and MTW online? If not how do you know his points are not valid?
Puzz's 'wisdom'? He's hung up over a silly little game and can't get over it. I've bought games before I didn't like. You know what I did? I either sold them or boxed them up in the attic. I did not hang around complaining about how bad it is and how the makers are so mean and nasty and bad at their jobs.
But that's what Puzz is doing. I'm not upset over it, I just think he's being pathetic.
But you do in order to have an informed opinion on it. I had a pretty open mind on NTW before I played it, but then found it just wasn't my cup of tea.Quote:
You dont have to play it to have an opinion on it.
Then you know he is right. Personally NTW is still my favorite.Quote:
on't be daft Gawain, of course I have. I've played you often enough in VI, and a couple of times in NTW.
No hes not. Just like the rest of us he believed that TW games would get better. Who would have imagined they would get worse? I mean certainly some things have improved but game play certainly isnt one of them. At least not in mp. I dont play sp so I have no opinion :laugh4:Quote:
Puzz's 'wisdom'? He's hung up over a silly little game and can't get over it
Thats what I did with RTW. I agree he may over do it.:laugh4: We get the point. No use beating a dead horse. Thats why I started the other thread.Quote:
I've bought games before I didn't like. You know what I did? I either sold them or boxed them up in the attic. I did not hang around complaining about how bad it is and how the makers are so mean and nasty and bad at their jobs.
If he were wrong you would have a point.Quote:
But you do in order to have an informed opinion on it. I had a pretty open mind on NTW before I played it, but then found it just wasn't my cup of tea.
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Originally Posted by Kalle
boo hoo cry me a river
well being a trollhater is better than being a troll i guess
Thanks for making Elmos point by the way about how people who say they like M2TW are called retarded, and are shouted down by all the negative nellies - and this is tolerated in this forum.
You dont like the game - throw it in the bin and goodbye then
have you left yet????
I dont think I or we have been shouted down. Why do you continue in this hostile vein? Its over lets stay on topic. Do you want to continue with a pissing contest? Are you interested in making the game better or just making your point?Quote:
Thanks for making Elmos point by the way about how people who say they like M2TW are called retarded, and are shouted down by all the negative nellies - and this is tolerated in this forum.
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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
fair enough
At last!!!!
....Orda
How many players are in the M2TW foyer on weekends, and is the number stable, increasing or decreasing?
I doubt anyone wants to count that.
I think 100 max is a good guess tho, never counted it.
Its pretty stable . Lets not forget either that summer is the slow time of the year here usually. The game seems more popular in Europe than here. Tons of Italians, French and Poles :laugh4: Its the only way they ever get to win a war:hide:
I suppose it's the network performance that's holding it back. Both STW and MTW exceeded 100 on weekends on much lower sales.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
Now just the network performances, it's the quality the GameSpy Beta servers demand, and the "slowness of our internet connections and computers". This game seriously needs good internet and computers to play, and most don't have that (hell I heard people trying to use dial-up). GameSpy as an instrument is good, it works for many games, but MTW2 and RTW use Beta versions, which demand more and are more instable.
RTW used to have 160 players in the weekends, this has only got 100 players on MP. Even tho the game sold well, I guess the hardcore players (like yourself) are walking away, but than if I were CA I wouldn't mind losing 60 more players, it ain't that much if you're talking about millions of dollars.
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Originally Posted by Puzz3D
I was told that MTW II had sold about 1 500 000 copies. 1 500 000 buyers and only 100 of them are online. lol?
At the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf_Kyolic
But still let's take the best possible scenario:
It takes about 1 hour to complete a game (from entering the lobby, setting up to exiting the lobby again).
And lets say everyone only plays 1 game per week (some play loads, some only come online once).
That's 1x24x7x100=16800
And I think that's a good estimate for the amount of MP players.
that's 1% of all the players!!!
The thing that holds people back from playing is the required GameSpy account, you can't make it ingame (as with every other game), you need to quit the game, start some dodgy site and hope it works.
Next to that many enter their CD-key wrong, and that puts them off it.
Id say there are in general more people on than used to be on in VI. When I first got the game I identified over 4000 players in 3 weeks. Since I reinstalled MTW2 2 months ago Ive only recognized 2500. This is not a good sign.
about a week ago i spent well near two hours online in the lobby, and managed to get one game in. drops, desyncs, ghost games etc. i dont' have that sorta time to spend online anymore, and two hours for one game is not worth the effort.
the connection problems need to be ironed out before one can really even delve into the gameplay and balance issues.
that
This is the main issue IMHO. I cant tell you how many times I had like an hour or so to spare and said to mylself let me play MTW2. First I have to find a game worth playing. None of this 20k per player for me thank you very much. Next I have to hope they will let me play. Us Aggonies all having skipped RTW seems to have reduced us to Noob status. This however is improving. :laugh4:Quote:
about a week ago i spent well near two hours online in the lobby, and managed to get one game in. drops, desyncs, ghost games etc. i dont' have that sorta time to spend online anymore, and two hours for one game is not worth the effort.
the connection problems need to be ironed out before one can really even delve into the gameplay and balance issues.
Now you sit in the game 10 or 15 min waiting for everyone to join. It seems the longer you sit there the more chance there is your game will crash. Finally you have a full game and it says game halted.
Now everyone has to leave . Then rehost and rejoin. Someone always has to go because this is like the third game this has happened to them in a row and their out of time. So now were back waiting to fill the game.
If were lucky it starts this time. Well you get to the battlefield anyway but one guy dosent make it. Thats right back to the lobby again. Someone else now has to go. Your right back where you started from. To make a long story short the next thing you know your out of time and have to go and are lucky if you got a game in. There is nothing more frustrating . It always makes me think twice before I log on.
ONe more time tho. I never played sp other than custom battles and I was like oh my this is awful fast. You dont see that speed hardly ever in mp other than in 1 vs 1. But Ive seen it in 3 on 3s in mp. But everyone has to have real good equipment and connections.
How about instead of trying to give everyone a rating we just give a star or something to those of us who can play this thing balls to the wall like me :laugh4:
im using an intel 3.46 ghz, 2048 gig ram, 8500gt nvidia by bfg and my game plays immaculate on single player and does an excellent job of playing a 3v3 game providing that one of the connection issues doesnt pop up.
i would wish there would be just a little bit of assistance from sega. it would go a long way to solving the issues. i think they have used a network code that requires ports that are not the best for packets to flow through.
If you have cable or good dsl i guess you would rate a star too then :laugh4:Quote:
im using an intel 3.46 ghz, 2048 gig ram, 8500gt nvidia by bfg and my game plays immaculate on single player
At least all of us with good stuff could find each other. The game runs at the speed of the weakest link.
Yup and that´s the problem, loads of people don´t realise they can´t play this game on High Graphics and try multiplayer.
Next to that for a good experience you need a 5mb line, now here in Holland such costs only 10 euro´s a month, but I heard that in other countries 5mb is like the maximum you can get.
Not to speak of playing with people from other continents. It´s near to impossible to play with someone from a different continent, but how am I supposed to know someone comes from another continent?
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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Could it be stupid coding? ~:rolleyes:
Hmm... http://www.darkhardware.com/phpbb/im..._detective.gif
I guess so. :2cents:
It's an example of deteriorated multiplay, just for once I'd like game developers to come clean and tell it like it is
.....Orda
I'm playing with a 2.8 intel dual core, 2mb of ram and a 7300 Geforce, and I have no probs playing SP on high graphics. I turn them down to low for MP, and I have a 1.5mb connection, but I very rarely get a game without lag, mostly serious lag. I have heard that the optics cables from Australia are somewhat crowded tho. Any other aussie players have problems, or is it just my distance from the exchange?.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
I love playing MTW2 online but the problems Gawain has so ably illustrated means I very rarely play it now as I have neither the time nor the inclination to sit around for an hour trying to get a game and then having it crash as soon as you get to the field.
I may have to dig out my old copy of VI and join the 'friday nighters', that is if I can remember how to play it that is:laugh4:
Yeah, its funny. The CD key crap is still around, the problems with it kept same... and the GS registration is still tiresome and too complex for new player.
The best we ever had was at the EA times, where it was very easy to get online as new player.
A peak in MI we had was 240-260 in some evening, STW was 100 in the early days, later we was mostly around 50-70 player. 90% of them was always the same.
The game itself is designed to be played as SP, the campaing is the mainreason people buy it. It doest surprise me that only a few hundred are getting online.
Anyway, i want to mention a very important point, in STW/MI there was a ladder, this ladder kinda made many people play 1v1. This did lead to a lot of played games. U always found a poor sheep who joined ur game ;)
Right now its surely 95% of all games are teamgames, coz u can hide behind ur buddy, if something goes wrong.
Ofc, this problems doesnt jsut appear now, they was also around the other TW games. Nothin new, CA never did change it and never will, accept it.
Mars
10 euros a month for a 5 mb line in Holland?
http://www.adsl.nl
15 euros is the cheapest for 5120/1024, but only for a 2 years contract. I question how good that line is. 20-40 euros/month is a more common pricetag. XS4ALL Basic ADSL 6000/768 39,95.
Actually I find the opposite to be true, that the majority of games in the lobby are 1v1s. I base this on personal experience and the fact that 1v1s tend to take less time and are less prone to lag, thus attracting people who have trouble with GS.
Always get the advertisements which gives you a solid price for a year than have it another year and switch over.Quote:
10 euros a month for a 5 mb line in Holland?
Essent advertised 10mb for 10 euro's last week
Mp really isnt about 1 on 1s. Who would need a clan then? I never play one on one. You dont even use the same armies. Its rush rush rush. The reason you see so many 1 on 1s now is because its hard to play anything bigger. LOL.Quote:
Actually I find the opposite to be true, that the majority of games in the lobby are 1v1s. I base this on personal experience and the fact that 1v1s tend to take less time and are less prone to lag, thus attracting people who have trouble with GS.
In STW, 1v1 was popular because there was a rating system built into the MP game which gave each player a ranking relative to all the other players based on their last 30 battles. You could go to a website and lookup a player's rating. There was also a top 100 list, and you could get information on who the opponents were in a battle. Clans also achieved a ranking, and team games contributed to the clan ranking. Players could choose to play competitive games which were rated or friendly games which were not rated.
I fully agree with you mate... although seeing as I pretty much said exactly what you did in regards as to why we see so many 1v1s, why did you quote me and not the poster beforehand? :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
That why I tried to push (mostly privately) for a ranking system for MT2W,so It can bring back some of that feel. Sadly, I guess 1 person can't make much differnece.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puzz3D
Well, for my two cents, as everyone has been waiting with baited breath to hear.
I pretty much fall in line with everything Gawain has had to say. (Although I don't know if I can say that now after your slight on the Poles. My clannies may not take that lightly :sweatdrop: )
I think the bottom line is that MTW II with the new patch is fun to play, but there are improvements (that have been mentioned by many) that would certainly improve the game. I love the variety of units (not available in STW) and the ability to combine the armies of different nations into unique killing combinations. (Not really available in MTW VI as only the most skilled players could make a competitive team out of the non-pav crossbow supplied factions.)
I threw out RTW, but I think anyone who likes the TotalWar system is missing out by not giving this game a try. As for people online, it seems better than MTW VI and as people tire of the SP version, I think we will get more.
If you need a good game Gawain, just check for me or clannies online and join us. I think one of the problems now is that clans don't know each other as well and even though there are a lot of clan players online, it's hard to start a game with people you don't know.
Mongo
Oh, and my hope for the next title, (again the baited breath, I know) STW II, with the variety of factions and units available now on MTW II, but without the lag issues.
Fareast Asian And Shogun 2 total war.
F.A.A.S. 2
fast as a shark 2 :laugh4:
The code name is Fast As Shark 2: Yeah Baby!
Now I'm having flashes of "2 Fast, 2 Furious : Total War". I'm in severe sleep deprivation, that might explain the visions of souped-up race cars (with neons) ploughing tracks in Ashigaru units :laugh3:
Someone seriously had nothing to do when he thought of that nameQuote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lusted
Future Age Shogun 2: Yoshi's babies:laugh4:
Starship Samurai
Plays too slow online for me and units seem unresponsive, i love the long road campaign single player 1.02 and the battles dont lag offline.
I must admit 1 thing - polish cav charges are devastating.