Jumpin' Jesus on a pogo stick!!! Check out this poll on American Muslims!!!

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

Because thats what history teaches us :book:

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Well, that's sure enlightening. Do you have any actual reason for claiming Canaan wasn't a nation? I fail to see why you think the Jews have an exclusive right to this land. Everyone and their dog has lived there in the last 4000 years, and the ones who were living there up until recently don't want to give it up. How are they in the wrong for this?

Ajax

Thinking about it, shouldn't the land be returned to the Egyptians? IIRC David is supposed to have been the King who first united the Jews into a nation. However, the Hebrew bible dates him to around 1000 BC. The Battle of Kadesh had already taken place 300 years before this, between Egypt (a recognised nation state according to Gawain) and the Hittites (another nation state by any definition) - there is evidence of that in Gawain's home city of New York. The province of Canaan was then under the control of the nation state of Egypt.

Clealr Israel should dissolve itself as an illegitimate alien state, dismantle its governmental apparatus, and ask Egypt to send a governor to govern this lawless land.

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Thinking about it, shouldn't the land be returned to the Egyptians? IIRC David is supposed to have been the King who first united the Jews into a nation. However, the Hebrew bible dates him to around 1000 BC. The Battle of Kadesh had already taken place 300 years before this, between Egypt (a recognised nation state according to Gawain) and the Hittites (another nation state by any definition) - there is evidence of that in Gawain's home city of New York. The province of Canaan was then under the control of the nation state of Egypt.

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No they werent at that point in time. They were invaders. Just who do you think the Canninites got their name from? It couldnt be the son of Ham could it? They are the same people as the jews.

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

No they werent at that point in time. They were invaders. Just who do you think the Canninites got their name from? It couldnt be the son of Ham could it? They are the same people as the jews.

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And aren't the Arabs supposed to be descended from Ishmael? Much closer relatives than those Canaanites. I suppose they have a legitimate Biblical claim to the land as well, then.

Ajax

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And aren't the Arabs supposed to be descended from Ishmael? Much closer relatives than those Canaanites. I suppose they have a legitimate Biblical claim to the land as well, then.

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If you paid attention to my post I said this is the real sad or funny part of this whole situtation. In reality its the intolerance of islam toward any other religion and nothing more.

Im sitting here laughing to myself at all those who think I believe Israel should exist because they were there first :laugh4:

how much bollox can Gawain write about Isreal in one sitting ?

Almost as much tripe as you can hand out.:yes:

Do you ever stop with the insults?

Well its just amazing that you managed in a such a short time to write at least a dozen "facts" that are completely false ,whats more amazing is that you have previously written them many times and each time they have been shown to be false .
It must be a sign of a failing memory or a complete refusal to accept reality .

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

In reality its the intolerance of islam toward any other religion and nothing more.

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Are you quite for real, Gaw ?

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

No they werent at that point in time. They were invaders. Just who do you think the Canninites got their name from? It couldnt be the son of Ham could it? They are the same people as the jews.

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Wow, we're going back to the family tree of Noah now. But even if one accepts that argument, aren't the Hebrews the descendants of Shem, not Ham? If there are any people from the House of Ham still remaining, shouldn't they take precedence over the House of Shem? Even if we assume your claim is correct, and Canaanites no longer exist, shouldn't ownership of the land pass on to other Hamites? Instead of the Shemites who currently occupy it?

And no, don't bother arguing theological doctrine with me, I'm not interested. I was only interested in your appeal to the Noah family tree - the interest being that of an incredulous observer, amazed that someone from a 1st world nation would actually believe in the literal historicity of the bible. Especially a bit about the whole of mankind being descended from the 3 children of a bloke who built a big boat to escape a flood.

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Are you quite for real, Gaw ?

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Quite. In reality the only thing that seperates these people is religion.

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And no, don't bother arguing theological doctrine with me, I'm not interested. I was only interested in your appeal to the Noah family tree - the interest being that of an incredulous observer, amazed that someone from a 1st world nation would actually believe in the literal historicity of the bible. Especially a bit about the whole of mankind being descended from the 3 children of a bloke who built a big boat to escape a flood.

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I was only stating where the name came from . And there are many historical facts in the bible. Im amazed that you doubt it. Do I believe that we all are desended from Noah and that the story of Noah is fact. Hell no. I believe its based on stories from earlier religions and that there was at sometime a flood on earth that this story sprang from. Theres one from Mesoptania that comes to mind. I do believe we are all originally the same race and peoples however and that in reality there is only one race that being the human race. We all started in Africa. Its one of the reasons the term African american is ludicrous to me.

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

I was only stating where the name came from . And there are many historical facts in the bible. Im amazed that you doubt it. Do I believe that we all are desended from Noah and that the story of Noah is fact. Hell no. I believe its based on stories from earlier religions and that there was at sometime a flood on earth that this story sprang from. Theres one from Mesoptania that comes to mind. I do believe we are all originally the same race and peoples however and that in reality there is only one race that being the human race. We all started in Africa. Its one of the reasons the term African american is ludicrous to me.

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So why are you so ready to appeal to "ancestral homeland" when defending Israel's, and specifically Jews' claim to that land?

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So why are you so ready to appeal to "ancestral homeland" when defending Israel's, and specifically Jews' claim to that land?

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I didnt start that I was replying to others who claimed that this was the Palestinians homeland. I was basicly saying if that if thats so then its the homeland of the Israelis first. I find the argument from either side that it used to be theirs falacious. All that matters is now.

Back on topic

Im sorry I missed this before

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I think if you would ask:
"Can the bombing of civilian targets be justified in the defense of Christianity?" you very likely would get (significantly) lower percentages of "positive" answers.

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Significantly doesnt do this justice :laugh4:

But back to your original question

Can you defend the use of suicide bombing in defense of your religion. Not if your religion is a religion of peace you cant.

PS is it only me or do any others of you feel better that we have the patriot act after looking at this?

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

PS is it only me or do any others of you feel better that we have the patriot act after looking at this?

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Considering the others who have posted comparisons to polls of Americans in general on the subject . . . nope.

Ajax

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Considering the others who have posted comparisons to polls of Americans in general on the subject . . . nope.

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So you answer for all now. Also I wasnt aware that any of these polls claimed 100% support for anything so some may well agree with me. Im no big fan of the patriot act but knowing we have so many people here in the US who believe this scares me more than that does. Not only that I put little stock in these polls. Ive conducted them too many times for SUNY. They get the answers they seek.

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

So you answer for all now. Also I wasnt aware that any of these polls claimed 100% support for anything so some may well agree with me. Im no big fan of the patriot act but knowing we have so many people here in the US who believe this scares me more than that does. Not only that I put little stock in these polls. Ive conducted them too many times for SUNY. They get the answers they seek.

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Huh? I answer for me. When did I say I answer for all? And if you don't put much stock in these polls, why does it make you feel better about the Patriot Act?

Ajax

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