Faction Thread 5: Chaos

YEAHHHHHH,BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD,SKULLS FOR THE THRONE OF KHORNE.

*Faenaris nods approvingly of the Khorn-worshipping*

Besides, those magic-loving Tzeentch, smelly-Nurgle and sissy-Slaanesh are all pansies when compared to the might of the Blood God!

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Originally Posted by Faenaris

*Faenaris nods approvingly of the Khorn-worshipping*

Besides, those magic-loving Tzeentch, smelly-Nurgle and sissy-Slaanesh are all pansies when compared to the might of the Blood God!

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Yes its just a horrible shame the men of Sigmar repeatadly bash you, and those puny elfs kick your chaotic ass's in every war!

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Originally Posted by DrZoidberg

Of age or size I know nothing, but I do know that it's just plain "Father Nurgle", and that he's always depicted as always laughing and being jolly. The bringer of long awaited decay. Nurgle was always my favourite, but I've recently gotten Slaanesh leanings. Nothing better than naked chicks, even if they do have bug eyes and crab claws.

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He's called both... Some call him grandfather and some call him father, at least I'm pretty sure.

As for Slaanesh, I'm not sure if he's the absolute strongest, at least not yet. But he's definitely growing in power, very quickly. But all the chaos gods are technically the strongest in their own rights.
I mean, Khorne is pretty militarily kickass,
Tzeench can trick the gods into either squabbling among themselves or fighting towards his own goals. As well as being good with magic, obviously.
Nurgle could probably cause plenty of devastation, after all, he can cause plagues.
Slaanesh... Well everyone has their own selfish desires, so that puts him up there off the bat.

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Originally Posted by Gnashfang

He's called both... Some call him grandfather and some call him father, at least I'm pretty sure.

As for Slaanesh, I'm not sure if he's the absolute strongest, at least not yet. But he's definitely growing in power, very quickly. But all the chaos gods are technically the strongest in their own rights.
I mean, Khorne is pretty militarily kickass,
Tzeench can trick the gods into either squabbling among themselves or fighting towards his own goals. As well as being good with magic, obviously.
Nurgle could probably cause plenty of devastation, after all, he can cause plagues.
Slaanesh... Well everyone has their own selfish desires, so that puts him up there off the bat.

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To settle this I looked it up. In the Hordes of Chaos book, which I think can be considered the "rules". Yes, he's called both. Sorry about that.

I tried to check where it says Slaanesh is the most popular and it doesn't say in this book. I think there's a reference to it in Gotrek and Felix. Anyhoo...it does say in Hordes of Chaos that Slaanesh is popular, but not the most popular. So if it's implied or not I'm not sure.

It says that Khorne warriors spend lots of time fighting each other, which is a problem when comparing numbers since followers or Khorne don't stick around long.

Nurgle....no idea. Could be anything. Doesn't say.

Tzeentch on the other hand is very secretive. In the old Chaos books it said that Tzeentch was a confusing god to worship. Sometimes they thought they worshipped Slaanesh, but it was really Tzeentch and so on. They inflitrate any and all sects just to make trouble. They could be huge or tiny, nobody knows.

edit: from now I promise to look up shit before saying anything and quote it. I've got all the books here. So I've got no excuse for screwing it up.

I haven't read whole topic so some of my suggestions may have been told before but I have some ideas to make chaos factions different:

Khorne units could have charge without orders ability, and maybe better attack value in their profile or some bonus in when charging.

Nurgle units could have better natural defence, and maybe some kind of fear effect.

Slaanesh could have the... don't remember the name of the ability but they won't rout.

Tseench is a bit complex. I don't know anything special to them.

And when I say [import god here] units I don't mean all the units of that faction, I mean the units who have marks such as chaos warriors and knights and maybe spawns if you can make them.

Is there a possibility to add chaos warriors with halberds? Because those things were in the old warrior sprue.

I think the unit list is kinda complicated. You will have to make different units for every weapon combination.

Maybe i would suggest two handed weapons for the choosen warriors and for the "normal" warriors a variant with shield and handweapon and a variant with halberd.


Do you already have a unit list?
And if yes, could we see it?

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Originally Posted by Jargon

Will the chaos warriors for the four gods be identical to each other stat wise, with only texture differences? Are you saving those differences for the veteran warriors (which, by the way, I would rename to Chosen of Chaos)?

The Chaos Army book shows very specific bonuses for the chaos warriors marked by a specific god:

"Nurgle: causes fear." Can we use the fear used by camels against horses here? Make them cause fear against all infantry and cavalry.

"Tzeentch: Generates power dice." This will be very tricky, depends on how magic is handled. Not sure how you would do this.

"Slaneesh: immune to psychology". Thats easy, give them a high morale level.

"Khorne: Frenzy". Since we cant do extra attacks without changing the animations, maybe just give them slightly higher attack number?


Also, an idea to increase the Chaos players unit list in the Grand Campaign:

Have an event occur sometime into the game, similiar to Gunpowder, where the Chaos player is picked as Chosen of the Gods. Suddenly he can start to build warriors and demons from all four of the Chaos Gods.

It would be interesting if there was a chance for the computer to be picked instead (only if the event kept reocurring, so you would eventually be picked). If you want to increase your chances of becoming the Chosen One, you better start killing the other Chaos factions.

But the computer being selected is a side issue, the priority here would be for the player to have more units made available to him, so later into the game he can field armies with a large range of troop types, and doesnt feel penned into just Khorne marauders, Khorne warriors, Bloodletters, and thats it.

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if u they r doing that how would u choose which ones u build before the chosen of the gods event would u use temples or is each clan of worshippers a different faction.

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Originally Posted by Casuir

Who do we make the pope then? And what about the collage of cardinals hes elected from? And where exactly does the everchosen come into all of this? All I can see you being left with is a four way race to take a settlement rather than the chaos factions being united under one leader. A better way to realisticly do it would be to give the player a trait called the everchosen when hes defeated the other chaos factions and if possible link this to an event which gives them access to troops from other powers.

Anyways Bwian made a suggestion box for ideas like these, best to keep them there and keep threads like these for discussion here for the armylist. Might be best if you stuck you ideas on how to make the game more fun and less warhammer in there too dr zoidberg.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=86038

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Why dont we make 'the gate to heaven' or whatever its called kind of like the senate in rome total war. this would solve the college of cardinals and pope issue, in fact why dont u guys make chaos like the roman families, that would be sweet.

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Originally Posted by alexader

ok i don't know if khorne is called king but i know from the six edition(and in many more)rulebook that slannesh is called a prince,and if you did that research that you are telling,you propably should have noticed that,it is mentioned too many times in the books that he is called a prince of chaos.i am not arguing with you,relax.but i am defenetly sure that he is called a prince and he is defenetly not the biggest one,he is the younger one.:egypt: (but for sure look it up if you have many books)

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thats true but isnt he also called the prince of pleasure

Goncalou please edit your post and combine them.

how u edit posts, cause i dont no how to:bigcry:

Okidoke sir. Look at your post then you shall see the edit button that shows up as a paper being cut by scissors. That is th edit button.









EDIT: lol messed up a little.

Sorry for the off-topic, but I can't see the Edit button either.

it is down,when you have made a post,only in yours,where it should write "send pm"you can find it!!!:egypt:

Thank you Alexander.

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Originally Posted by alexader

it is down,when you have made a post,only in yours,where it should write "send pm"you can find it!!!:egypt:

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Nope, it's not there.
Again, sry for the off-topic.

ohh for the love of god!!!OK LOOK AT MY POST CAREFULLY!!!!
JUST MAKE A SINGLE POST!!!ONE POST ONLY!!!!MAKE ONE OF IT!!!!WHEN YOUR POST HAS BEEN PLACED!!!!JUST LOOK ON BAR BELOW YOUR POST!!!AND YOUR POST ONLY!!!!NOT ANYONE ELSE POST!!!YOUR POST!!!IF YOU LOOK AT SOMEONE ELSE POST!!!AT THE SAME LOCATION!!!YOU WILL NOTICE THAT IT WRITES "SEND A PM"!!!RIGHT?
THEN GO TO YOUR POST!!!AT THE SAME LOCATION!!!!!!!!!AND YOU WILL SEE THAT IT WRITES "EDIT"!!!!!!!!!!THEN GO AND EDIT YOUR BELOVED POST!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by alexader

ohh for the love of god!!!OK LOOK AT MY POST CAREFULLY!!!!
JUST MAKE A SINGLE POST!!!ONE POST ONLY!!!!MAKE ONE OF IT!!!!WHEN YOUR POST HAS BEEN PLACED!!!!JUST LOOK ON BAR BELOW YOUR POST!!!AND YOUR POST ONLY!!!!NOT ANYONE ELSE POST!!!YOUR POST!!!IF YOU LOOK AT SOMEONE ELSE POST!!!AT THE SAME LOCATION!!!YOU WILL NOTICE THAT IT WRITES "SEND A PM"!!!RIGHT?
THEN GO TO YOUR POST!!!AT THE SAME LOCATION!!!!!!!!!AND YOU WILL SEE THAT IT WRITES "EDIT"!!!!!!!!!!THEN GO AND EDIT YOUR BELOVED POST!!!!!!!!

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Maybe you should calm down. I don't mean to be offensive, but shut up. He doesn't have an edit button. Jonlissla doesn't have an edit button. I don't have an edit button.

Want to know why? We're 'junior members' of the site. That means that there are certain things we can't do, I'm guessing editing our posts is one of them, for God knows what reason.

Judging from the forum FAQ, it is something they consider changing.

And by the way: READ ME, On posting etiquette

Most importantly:

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When posting make sure the post is :
-not breaking the forumrules
-constructive
-respectful
-pleasant to read (no caps lock, no abundance of smileys, no spam,limited text speak)
-Does not contain (mild) swear words

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you thought i was angry?i just tried to help him!!!!!!then you goona tell me that i used strong language!!!!!!!and never but never again tell me to shut up,ok????????????i used caps lock just to be more easy for him to find the edit button!!!but you know what.i don't have to give explanation to you!!!!
and i don't care if you don't have an edit button!!!!if he offended!!!he could just told me!!!!they should propably give you the edit button,because you have a lot of work to do with your posts.....................

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Originally Posted by alexader

they should propably give you the edit button,because you have a lot of work to do with your posts.....................

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Coming from you, that is quite a statement.

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Originally Posted by alexader

you thought i was angry?i just tried to help him!!!!!!then you goona tell me that i used strong language!!!!!!!and never but never again tell me to shut up,ok????????????i used caps lock just to be more easy for him to find the edit button!!!but you know what.i don't have to give explanation to you!!!!
and i don't care if you don't have an edit button!!!!if he offended!!!he could just told me!!!!they should propably give you the edit button,because you have a lot of work to do with your posts.....................

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Listen, I don't want to get into a big flame war or anything, but I will tell you or anybody to shut up if I think they're being idiots, which you were. I don't see how using Caps would make it easier for him to find the ediit button, especially as it isn't there, due some forum policy or whatever it is. If anything, using caps is an impediment to seeming helpful.

I posted the link to the Forum etiquette guid because, frankly, your posts are annoying to read. Read the guide and use it, that is all I have to say. (Hint: Use less exclamation marks)

Sorry to you others for going off-topic, but I felt this had to be corrected.

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are you a kind of something....mother or whatever?do we have to listen to you?did i called you idiot?or anythig else?DID I?you know it's easy to write whatever you want behind a computer screen!!!and i won't continue this,becuase who knows whatever else you can say in a public forum!!!i only tried to help him and i don't care what you think of it!!!i just tell you,to look your tongue!!!and even one more.he can send me a pm,and i will explain him!!!not you!!!and from what i can see,you started the war or flame as you call!!!do something else constructive than that!!!

I would say that it is past time for going back on topic. So do so, and end this dumbass argument you are going on with.

Now ON TOPIC, how will you handle the territory that the seperate Chaos forces will possess? Will all start small, with many neutral territories around, to show your rise to dominance? Or will they be equally largish empires, spread evenly between the other Chaos factions (like patchwork)?

i did nothing wrong that it should be corrected!!!i just offered a help!!!and from what i can see,you have a problem with that,which is not my problem!!i can't interfere in your problem,and this should not been continues!!!!!!!get over it!!!!

If you have nothing relevant to add to the Chaos topic, then please stop posting Alexader.

i believe silaris that they will start with a small number of provinces with the other provinces most including norcsa starting of as rebels,i thing bwain has told this,but i don't no well:egypt:

ok i stoped,i just wanted to put things where they should be!!!!peace brother!

Thank you for the answer, I'll await an official responce at some later date. Also, merge your posts.

yeah,we've lost a little the meaning of time!!!!:beam:

Well this was.... quite the commotion for just one question. :laugh4:
Good that I finally understood WHY I didn't have the button.
But 'nuff said about that.



And as for the topic: Slannesh for the win!
Seriously though, is it confirmed that we will be able to choose between the four gods?

always wondered why i didnt have a edit button now i know :shame:

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Originally Posted by Jonlissla

Well this was.... quite the commotion for just one question. :laugh4:
Good that I finally understood WHY I didn't have the button.
But 'nuff said about that.



And as for the topic: Slannesh for the win!
Seriously though, is it confirmed that we will be able to choose between the four gods?

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Yes it is confirmed pretty much.
Alexander and Silaris kiss and make up please. Ok good, now back on topic the chaos factions are divided and if you dig around you'll find a post containing the 4 types of marauder inf.

oohhh piss off Eufarius!!!:beam: what am i?Eufarius!!!GET A LIFE!!!:egypt: ohh no i'm just kidding!!!:egypt: (i didn't want to say,better kiss my :furious3: ......)no no,i am a gentlemen!!!hmmmmmmmmm whatever......we gonna play together when the mod make it's way out(by the way i will start warhammer online!)OK don't reply on this because we gonna get the discusion again out of it's track!!!ok reply then!!!:egypt:

On Topic Please!

Or this thread is getting locked.

ok ok,please,don't burn me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:egypt: peace dude

Yes Alexander and sorry Myrddraall.

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Originally Posted by Eufarius

Goncalou please edit your post and combine them.

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goodd news eveyone i can edit posts now and chaos are looking awesome.

Yay!:2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by uanime5

Regarding different religions it is possible to have up to 7 religions in M2TW (including heretic). I'm unsure if the settlement details scroll has the space to display more religions.

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couldn't this be made so that the Chaos religeon was the same as the heretic religeon? just a thought sorry if this has been said elsewhere :sweatdrop:

Well chaos is about to be released for the 7th edition of WFB, and I don't know if all the units for this army are already determined but this is for example one of the new heroes that will be released:

https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g...onofKhorne.jpg

I hope you're considering the new units that came with this 7th edition, some of them, like this one, are just great!.

Good luck guys!:beam:

Wow... that things looks intense... When are the Chaos due for 7th edition update?

We followers of the 'lesser' Chaos Gods demand our fair representation as well.

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Originally Posted by Garland, Chosen of Horo

We followers of the 'lesser' Chaos Gods demand our fair representation as well.

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Wich ones are those?

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Originally Posted by Pumpavius

Wich ones are those?

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These. Aside from the big four there's Hashut and the Horned Rat, Malal, and all number of fanon Chaos Gods among the supposed hundreds of them out there.

Thanks for the information ;)

But I think there is already too many problems with the religion in the game and how will it work to start adding 4 or more chaos gods...

I would suggest making the Chaos religion simply Chaos Undivided, at least until a more complex arrangement is completed. Cities without Chaos temples could produce low-grade marauders and warriors with a various random sigils representing Northmen aligned with the lesser gods of the Chaos pantheon. Five different temples - Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle, Slaanesh and Undivided - could allow for these units to be upgraded to warriors and marauders of whatever Chaos God is worshiped within a particular city, and as the temples are upgraded can allow for the production of more powerful units (Berzerkers of Khorne, Magi of Tzeentch) and eventually Lesser and Greater Daemons (Horrors, Daemonettes, Bloodthirsters, etc). A city could be made to only allow a single temple, meaning that players would have to balance building temples to all the various Chaos Gods (and Undivided) in order to receive the full range of Chaos units. At least until each particular god has it's own religion set up, anyway.

Naah, four factions of chaos will always be better in my mind, but your suggestion might be easier considering they did that in RTW.