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Not that I can see. Might be a good idea for people to post that.
Btw OK you need to appoint counts for the various settlements in Outremer still and those do the build queues, no?
Also, I'm going to hope OK does not end up being besieged by Mongols within Aleppo.
as steward I believe those are my duties, no?
build ques will be up tonight (8-10 hours) and there's not many people in Bavaria to name count....Sailler is count of Nurmeburg...lothar isn't knighted yet, Gerhard is steward, and Otto is king of outremer.
Avatars are thin on the ground in Outremer at the moment.
I can't appoint the Kaiser to a position, Elberhard is currently quasi-unassigned, the possible Crusaders near Ragusa haven't left Europe yet (can't assign counties to avatars in Europe), I don't know if Hans is returning, and I offered Acre to Hummel, but he never wrote back and instead proposed his own legislation.
I'd love to assign the counties, but I currently have no candidates. I will fill the ranks once the new Crusade has hit Outremer.
Edit: Not to be cowardly, but I'd rather face mongols behind walls than in a flat desert landscape. Aleppo is a Citadel, it would be an interesting battle if they tried to take it. Remember, Otto is a night fighter he can cut the odds down a bit.
Thanks for the info OK, was just wondering.
Stuperman: was worried about the queues in Outremer, not Bavaria. You can take your time with those till say 9 hours after elections close. Won't get to play till then anyway since I'll be in a meeting before that. So basically 8pm UK time tomorrow.
OOPS! sorry, I mis-read your post.
On the crusade, I asked for volunteers towards the end of Henry's period in office and the following people stepped forward: Conrad Salier, Duke Leopold and Fredericus von Hamburg. So they should definitely go. I am not sure about AussieGiant, but his avatar is in the right place if he wants to crusade. Other interested players should declare asap - we are racing the Mongols to Damascus, AFAIK, and the main stack should not hang around.
There is also a gaggle of non-player avatars around Zagreb that I brought to be available in the east. It might be good to bring at least a couple as Otto and Henry will be gone soon, and Leopold is no spring chicken either.
I planned to launch the crusade within Zagreb province, as then we will get the option of recruiting crusader sergeants. Given the number of avatars and troops, it might be worth considering two separate crusading stacks. But Austria (esp. Budapest & Ragusa) also needs defending and its army is stuck far from home besieging Thessalonica.
Unless Pharnakes comes forward you'll be taking Elberhard then? Or Dassel?
So best would be to take along a spare Bavarian avatar and a spare Austrian one, yes?
Unless the Crusade delays departure for several turns, there are no Bavarian avatars to spare. Not that big a deal though, since Conrad is still pretty young.
If Leopold's edict passes, I'll be sending it off right away and have the second stack follow with at most 1 turn delay. Actually I'll have to check on how many ships we got or the second stack will end up having to walk the landroute for a long while. Might even have to have a crusade with mainly generals and a few infantry if not enough ships are there.
I figure Austria will have to leave 2 or so knighted avatars behind to defend its borders against Hungary, or take Sofia. Are you going on crusade TC?
I am not sure. Dassel is too old and role-playing the lewd Elberhard may jeopardise my moderator position. :laugh4: I had been thinking about taking a Franconian avatar - that House seems the most stretched currently, but I'll see how things look when Henry dies.Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
Maybe a young von Hamburg and a young von Mahren?Quote:
So best would be to take along a spare Bavarian avatar and a spare Austrian one, yes?
As much as I would love to write a battle report where I get destroyed by the Mongols in an open field assault, Lothar is staying at home.
econ21:
The von Hamburgs are Franconia.
And I thought Lothar wanted to fight something - not like I'd send you in alone. A few peasants would of course follow :laugh4:
But really. I don't think I'd send any small stack against a mongol horde. More like vast field battles if anything. Probably also going to train some assassins as backup (i.e. hiring hashashins)
I know, I was making a counter-proposal, Franconia instead of Bavaria. Franconia has a lot of spare avatars and without one of his sons to accompany him, FLYdude would be the only Franconian in Outremer.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Well, we should get more played Franconians in Franconia itself first imo. There are only 2 there now.
Franconia has a lot of spare avatars though, so I guess it depends on the Franconian duke to direct how many Franconians he wants to allow to partake in the crusade.
How many nobles do we already have in levant or about to embark there? I dont think we should have too many so there would be an real threat of disaster there when the Mongols attack. I think that we need a anti crusade party in this game.~;)
like say perhaps a 0 piety, witch scarred Gerhard Steffen ?
Yep.There should be also some slight changes on Jonas Von Mahrens character.Soon you guys will find out,when few stories will be released in the stories thread.:smash:
I'd gladly volunteer ~D , as I've been banging about how more important the Heimat is.Quote:
I think that we need a anti crusade party in this game.
I think we can work on something inside character.:smash:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
Maybe I ought to send Stig's avatar on a tour around the empire to build watchtowers so he can enjoy looking at all corners of the Heimat :laugh4:
Aslong as you retake my city :whip:Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
I could be mean and say "meh, there is no edict for it and I could take it back on the last turn because you didn't believe I was able to take it back", but I (probably) won't ;)
The Franconians could just order their Household Army to take it. I think it would still be technically legal for you to stall on that, but they would score points against you in the Diet if you did so.
Probably not a good idea given how advance Thorn is. The Russians might be churning out some super troops from there if you wait too long given the $$ we are pumping into the AI economy. :P Also the lack of a major fortress in the East Franconia will hurt resupply of new troops...
@TC and FH: Let's burn that bridge when we get to it. :laugh4:
(Yes, I'm intentionally mixing metaphors.)
Technically I could send the FHA to take it on turn 9, since there is no timespan in which you have to fulfill HA orders, but since its one of my own stated goals I'll probably send stuff there by turn 2.
Was just an OOC joke anyway.
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I don't quite understand what you mean OK A week of mindless data entry has numbed my senses
ahhah, and about the French fortress you bavarians guys are talking about, that would be a good base to help out the Portuguese from.
Hence why I was count there, but the Russians attacked when I was out of townQuote:
Originally Posted by StoneCold
But Stig, without being knighted you cannot fight the battle yourself, it will still be autoresolved as stated in the rules. Your Avatar would probably just have died there given how that battle turn out.
Well no, as the battle was about even. The appearance of a 2 star general would have turned it in our favour.
Wouldn't have been too bad, Franconia has spare avatars heh.
heheh ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
Actually, the rules don't specifically state that. You have to be a Knight before you can be an Army Commander, but you only need to be an Army Commander if your army is 7 units or more. This means that even non-knighted avatars can lead armies that are 6 units or less. I would also argue that in the case of a non-knighted avatar being attacked while in a town, the units in the town are a garrison, not an army, and as such the 7 unit limit wouldn't apply. Even if people didn't agree with this interpretation, I can't imagine there would be much opposition in the Diet to allowing a guy to defend himself when he's the only avatar in the battle.Quote:
Originally Posted by StoneCold
Just a quick note that the coop story between Leopold and von Mahren is up! The placeholder has been filled.
Considering we lost the title Army commander, this would either read knight or be open to interpretation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rules
That's a bug in the rules really, as this army wouldn't have been captain led.
Still I think the fact that a 2 star general was there would have tipped the balance.
Sounds like we need another housekeeping amendment to clean that up next time. The original military scheme we planned for KOTR has been so butchered and ignored, it would be good to simply rewrite it.
I'd go for that, the Charter is starting to look a little hacked up as it is, re-doing a some of it would be a good Idea.
Kagemusha: Are you saying you want to abandon the siege of Thessalonica and leave it in Venetian hands?!
Yes.And i have Ituralde´s blessing for that.:yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
Ok :fainting:
Guess you guys will get quite a few battles near Ragusa in that case then. I should also note that there is a large Hungarian army near Zagreb. If you got any specific orders for that let me know.
Looking at the election, unless someone pms econ to change their votes, please send me a PM if you want your own specific avatar to do something during the next term, like go on strike or something like that. Otherwise you'll be freely moved around. Also, if you got any specific story planned that needs you to be somewhere at a certain point, let me know.
I think I'll have to print all those queues and orders out tomorrow so I don't lose track :sweatdrop:
Yeah, I found it very useful to print out the Build Queues, Household Army orders, and all the passed Edicts. It's a pain to have to pull up the Org to check something when you're in-game.
Gerhard, Lothar and the BHA can take care of the Hungarians if need be....
I'll post build ques, and orders, and offer the BHA's services to Austira IC when I get home, although I'm on dial up out there so it might be slow going.
edit: someone else might need to Knight lothar, as with more command stars than his father he'll automatically be in command, although that was the case for Conrad Sailler too.....
A possible solution is to have Lothar come in as a reinforcement. Detach him from the army before you move to attack, move main army into enemy ZOC, move Lothar into ZOC, and then have Gerhard attack. Gerhard commands, Lothar participates (retainers are cav so he can still get in the mix from the border) and everyone's happy.
that's a good Idea OK.
Also as I look over the save, does Fritz Von Kastilien(sp) have command of the BHA, and if so why?
not that it's a big deal, just something I noticed.
Just to let you guys know, I haven't been that active recently and won't be more for another two weeks due to a hectic end of the school year. Expect me to be more active after June 15th
who do i tell where i want my general character? cuz i want Ehrhart von Mahren in Ragusa to join the avatar party
faction Hier looks like the next chancellor so pm him.
cool thx
Xdeathfire, I don't think your orders for the SHA is legal. The house army can only take one province by the house order. So unless the Chancellor wants to conquer France or there is a Diet edit, that order is illegal.
yo dudes
i just realized that we say "kaiser" henry, "prinz" jobst, but we say "king" otto and stuff. king in german is "konig"
gibson: True, but that's for everyone to choose themselves. I for one just use the English ones as typing the German titles compels me to type the entire story in German too.
Btw, here you got a present of 2 . to make it König :D
StoneCold: Hmm looks you are right. But then only Paris is really mentioned, so the SHA could roam French territory for targets of opportunity (and lay siege to stuff as long as it does not get captured, or intentionally captured?)
Change in plans: Please get all orders/builds in within 3 hours of this post. Meeting was cancelled :embarassed:
FH, think you really only need to capture Paris to fulfilled your part of the bargain, the house army are meant more as a defensive army from what I understand. This means that while it is roaming in France the entire western front is exposed and you need a secondary force to secure it. But maybe capturing Paris will force the french to try and recapture it.
btw, Ituralde, you Austrian house post is not making sense. Two capable commanders against our allies? :P
so, I take it that the Austrians have accepted Gerhards offer?
I'll update the BHA orders if I can get this confirmed.
Using arnold and lothar as re-enforcements/get them knighted...should be a good one.
It will be up to AussieGiant to confirm this to you.
He'll probably accept.
@StoneCold
Tanks mate.. probably a Freudian mistype there, hehe! :sweatdrop:
@TC, interesting story, very illuminating. :wink:
I have just finished the first part of the 1220 chancellor report.
I have yet to find a good style, so I'm open to suggestions. Also, if there is anything else you would have liked to see let me know (i.e. the other spy pictures)
Right now I'm waiting for Xdeathfire to download the save and fight the battle. Then I'll likely end turn unless something crops up.
@FH
why does a non Bavarian have command of the BHA?
Because even my little brother is better than the best Bavarian general? :bounce:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuperman
Otto?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
Because there is no Bavarian avatar save yourself in Europe who is allowed to lead an army and the only orders you gave for the BHA is to have it stationed in Milan.
Fritz is not leading the army per se. He only leads thee garrison of Florence at the moment where the BHA is resting.
Gerhard is fully capable of leading the BHA, in extremis command could be given to Lothar, father ill and such.
Stuperman, do you want to stay in Rome and get healed or do you want to lead the BHA?
I'm not sure why a Kastilien is in the same stack as the BHA, probably because he spawned in Rome.
Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear on my orders, when I said Garrisoned in milan I had assumed that Gerhard would be comming along. There's an abby in Milan and figured it was a relitively central place for Gerhard to heal. BUT don't worry about it at all, any military expiditions won't be for a few years at least, the whole region has paved roads so catching up won't be a problem, and then only if Austria wants/needs it.
Lothar will be extremely pleased with whoever can get him knighted fastest.
FH, are you trying to get Henry to be a dread Kaiser? That's a lot of spying action you are doing there. :P
I'm having a hard time seeing these young whippersnappers in 40 years when they're the elder statesmen of the Diet.
TC, if you want I can sent you towards Zagreb as well so Jonas can pick you up with the rest of the crew.
StoneCold: Spying is essential, for infiltration at least. And of course for armies that are close to our borders so we know what we are up against. Not like I go around spying on rebel captains :p
Stuperman: Reason I thought you wanted to stay in Rome was because there is a cathedral there and you were there since a turn or two already, speeding up your recovery as opposed to going to Milan which would start it all over. Your choice where you want to be stationed though.
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Nice story econ :)
GH, same here. But I think TC is probably going to come out with a story about his first battle and kill, and with it turns sober, or at least more mature.... :P
That is, if he survives. <insert evil grin here>
btw, good story econ. Would like to see you reborn as your swearing lewd son... More good *#@&ing stories to come from him... hahah...
I don't know what the Bavarians have planned for their army, but I think Gerherd Steffen could afford some time off in Rome to get cured. The army can be led by a unknighted avatar, as long as it avoids battles.
Hmm, my preferred symbol order for swearing is *#%! It just seems so... right. :laugh4:
Well, you could just write <censored> instead :p
Avoiding battle isn't in Lothar's nature at the moment. It would probably be best to give him command of the BHA only after he is knighted, unless you want another legal crisis in the Diet.Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
Judging by the Hungarian army near Zagreb, the Austrians might need the Bavarians sooner than we thought.
Suffering breeds character. I'm sure TC has something up his sleave for Lothar.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Hell, I never imagined Otto would be an elder statesman. But somewhere in the middle of all the social climbing, prisoner executions, subversion of the charter and thumb taking, it happened.
Heh, yeah, but check out our introduction to Otto:Quote:
Originally Posted by OverKnight
And then check out our introductions to Lothar and Elberhard:Quote:
"Kaiser Heinrich, Prinz Henry and the Electors of the Reich, greetings from Innsbruck. I apologize that I was unable to attend the Diet this year, but my many duties as Castellan have kept me here. There is always something to repair, patrols to be made or some dispute between peasants to sort out. If I have to rule on another case about disputed pig ownership I fear I shall go mad. My patrols in the Brenner pass have been more fruitful. Our border with Venice seems quiet for now, but I have scouted several excellent locations for ambushes if they dare to march against us.
I have heard from the Kaiser that I am to go on Campaign! This is good news, I would much rather be on horseback than sitting behind walls. Innsbruck will need to be looked after however. I have asked Elector Gunther to keep things in order in my absence. I've already invited his wife Bertha and their children to the castle, so that they may be reunited when he returns. She says it has been too long since she has seen her husband and that there are several matters they must discuss. She is a formidable woman. Some wars are waged on the battlefield and others in the bedroom, good luck elector!"
The elector looks extremely uncomfortable reading that last part, but it seems he was instructed to. He continues reading:
"Preparations for the upcoming campaign continue in earnest. I hope the next time I write it will be from the field. I also hope you keep myself, and the elector, particularly the elector, in your prayers. Glory to the Kaiser! Glory to the Reich!
Otto von Kassel"
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*A teenager with a surprisingly bushy mustache stands, looking bored.*
After all the lecturing I have received from Godwine and Gottfried, my mentor and tutor... or is it Gottfried and Godwine? Hells, they're bloody identical except for those ridiculous hats...
*Lothar turns to a nearby servant.*
Tell Gottfried he must shave his beard immediately.
*The servant bows and turns to go.*
Wait! I'm not sure whether Gottfried is my mentor or my tutor, so that won't help at all. *Lothar scratches his head for a moment.* Nevermind, I shall deal with this later.
*Lothar sits down, seeming pleased with himself. It takes him a moment to realize the entire Diet is silent and looking at him.*
OH! Right, yes... the Imperial Diet... *Lothar gives a short chuckle. No one else seems amused. He rolls his eyes.* (By the hells this place is full stodgy old bastards. It's a wonder that half of them don't drop dead of sheer boredom every morning.)
POLITICS! DIPLOMACY! Yes, this is the wise and venerable council of the Holy Roman Empire. Let us discuss treaties and religion, certainly the watchwords of a successful life. Prinz Jobst may have violated Imperial law by his actions, but what damage has it really caused us? Excommunication? HAH! That didn't last bloody long at all! Poor relationships with our fellow Catholics? Half of them are at war with us already! Those who are not at war with us refrain from taking up arms simply because they know we would crush them. *Lothar slams his fist on a table and grins broadly.*
I forget most of what Godfriend and Gottwine (Gottfried and Godwine?) have droned on about, but two things I know well: war and money! The Reich thrives on both. One begets the other and vice versa in a never ending cycle. (Or was that virtue and piety?) It has always been this way and so it will always be. As a consequence of Prinz Jobst's actions, we are now at war with the Danes.
GOOD! Let's damned well crush them! They hold rich lands. If they are too weak to hold them, then that is their own fault. Oh yes, I suppose some of you will drone on and on about our reputation... *Lothar rolls his eyes.* Well the Danes are the enemies of our English allies! What will our oh so peaceful neighbors think if we don't come to the aid of our most afflicted friends? Surely aiding England by conquering the Danish provinces will make others think better of us.
*Lothar shrugs.* And if not, well, there's plenty of German steel to share with the rest of them! *He smiles and looks pleased with himself.* (Oh, summation! Hells, Gottwit... Godwit?... always said to do a summation at the end.)
WAR AND MONEY! YES! We need them... or want them... or something like that. Prinz Jobst's actions, right or wrong, provide us with the perfect opportunity. We should be thanking him, not scorning him. Right. That's it. I'm done.
*Lothar sits down. The Diet is still dead quiet and most of the Electors are looking at him quizzically. He leans over to the man sitting next to him.* (Is this almost over yet?) *The man clearly tries to ignore Lothar, who frowns and looks around the room. He smiles a bit when he sees Gerhard Steffen a few benches away.*
Hi, Dad!
Get my point? :tongue:Quote:
Elberhard strode into the officer’s mess and clapped Kurt Altman on the shoulder:
“So, you old @#$%^&!!!, you’re finally going to get a chance to rip those @#$%^&!!!s at Edessa a new @#$%^&!!!, eh?!?”
Kurt looked round at the young prince with the pained expression of Ernest, Henry’s guard dog, being tormented by an irritatingly energetic young puppy.
“Master Elberhard,” Kurt touched his forehead in deference. “Your father has not confided his plans in me, you’d best be talking to him yourself.”
Elberhard turned round a chair and sat astride it, grabbing a leg of mutton from the table.
“Oh, @#$%^&!!! The old @#$%^&!!!’s not going all quiet and mysterious again is he?” Elberhard groaned, in an exaggerated world weary drawl.
Kurt gritted his teeth. “I am not sure as I rightly know to what you are referring to, young Master.”
Elberhard guffawed, spraying half digested mutton over the table. “Don’t @#$%^&!!! me, Kurt! You know what they say: you can’t @#$%^&!!! a @#$%^&!!!er! That @#$%^&!!! Kolar, that’s what I’m @#$%^&!!!ing referring to, as if you did not know."
Kurt stolidly munched on his food in silence, not giving anything away. Elberhard eyed him up carefully and continued:
"Man, he was one sly, smart son of a @#$%^&!!! Plans within plans, schemes and cons played out over decades. And yet, you know what the strange thing is? All he ever did, he did for the Reich. You may question his methods, but the old @#$%^&!!!er was our @#$%^&!!!er.”
Then, lightly, like a puppy tiring of a reluctant adult playmate, Elberhard sprang up and looked about, as if ready to leave:
“Got any women, here, Kurt?”
“What?” blurted out Kurt in shock, then quickly, “I am sorry, Sir, what did you say?”
“Oh, I forgot, you all think you are still on a @#$%^&!!!ing crusade to save Christendom, don’t you?” Elberhard laughed. “Pity you had to send Dirk away - he was the only one of you @#$%^&!!!ers who was any fun!”
With that, Elberhard threw the half-eaten leg of mutton on the table and strode off in search of his father.
Kurt looked gave a wry smile to the earnest Teuton sitting next to him: “Thank God they elected the other son.”
what about Ehrhart and Sigismund von Mahren - look at us in the Duchy of Austria, cuz we're pretty noble-sounding
Duly noted, it's not your father's Reich. I guess no matter what age he is, Otto is verbose. :laugh4:
Well, Lothar, as TC pointed out, is just 16 and played to be somewhat of an anti-Max just as Conrad is the anti-Heinrich. Elberhard has an interesting mix of traits besides being a foul-mouthed pervert. There's untapped potential in both. It will be interesting to see the transformations that will take place in all the new avatars.
Notice one thing that could spice up the IC gameplay... :P we are going to have a princess or 2 soon... Maybe let all the young avatars try and win the gal and the opinion of her father, grandfather? :P It would spice up the politics too as the opinions of the avatars on the Prince would push him to favor that particular avatar more or less...
This is the first time we had a princess that we didn't need to immediately marry her off to expand the avatar pool, l think we should play it out. Too bad we don't have a female roleplayer to play out the two gals. :P (probably going to have an explosion of love letters, secret meetings in the story thread if this is approve... :P)