Goes like this, bear comes, you scream, bear stands erect, pike on the ground, bear comes down, MUHA DEAD BEARQuote:
Originally Posted by Watchman
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Goes like this, bear comes, you scream, bear stands erect, pike on the ground, bear comes down, MUHA DEAD BEARQuote:
Originally Posted by Watchman
Not quite how bears were hunted around here, that.
That what you call here is kinda short on navajos so that is a possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watchman
What I don't quite understand about that video is why the National Geographic couldn't employ a decent voice-over guy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Upxl
They're slower than other cats, the males have to sleep for 20 hours every day and do nothing but fight each other. Their herd strategy is what saves them from extinction because otherwise they couldn't catch any herbivores at all because they're neither fast like other cats nor endurant like the African wild dogs. However, their herd structure has also completely ruined their long term survival chance as a species by promoting inbreeding by males murdering the children made by other males, which has led almost every lion herd today to be inbred, having conditions such as pathologically enlarged heart, which is one of the reasons why they have to sleep 20 hours per day. They do have one strength, though, and that is that they can steal prey from other cats who are better hunters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watchman
Here's my candidate no. 1 for ultimate land predator (hunts the prey in packs, for hours, at speeds of up to 60 km/h):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Wild_Dog
Here's my candidate no. 2 for ultimate land predator (dragon's DO exist):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komodo_dragon
Here's my candidate no. 3 for ultimate land predator (both sneaky, fast, and strong):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger
Here's my candidate no. 4 for ultimate land predator (incredibly cool sneaker):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_leopard
Ultimate sea predator is of course (who can compete with it? it can hunt at sea, it can surf on the waves up on land and take prey on the shoreline, it can swim fast, it can hunt alone or in packs etc etc):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orca
Ultimate temperate climate predator (hunts in packs, the African wild dog of the north, the source of the werewolf myth):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf
The overall winner is however:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle
No it doesn't, only the patriarch(s) get to breed, and the male youngsters got to conquer a tribe of their own, no inbreeding And they don't flock together out of necesity, it's what makes them so effective, pure strategy baby.
African wild dogs huh,
Cats vs dogs. Story. In england dog races were pretty popular, so tommy thought 'cheeta's hmmmmmmmm even faster'. They tried it, and it was a great succes. Once. The second race the cheeta's didn't run, but parked theirselves and just waited for the hare to finish his lap.
Wiki (like me) has another opinion:
"In lions, prides are often followed by related males in bachelor groups. When the dominant male is killed or driven off by one of these bachelors, a father may be replaced with his son. There is no mechanism for preventing inbreeding or to ensure outcrossing. In the prides, most lionesses are related to one another. If there is more than one dominant male, the group of alpha males are usually related. Two lines then are being "line bred". Also, in some populations such as the Crater lions, it is known that a population bottleneck has occurred. Far greater genetic heterozygosity than what was expected was found.[5] In fact, predators are known for low genetic variance, along with most of the top portion of the tropic levels of an ecosystem.[6] Additionally, the alpha males of two neighboring prides can potentially be from the same litter; one brother may come to acquire leadership over another's pride, and subsequently mate with his 'nieces' or cousins. However, killing another male's cubs, upon the takeover, allows for the new selected gene complement of the incoming alpha male to prevail over the previous male. There are genetic assays being scheduled for lions to determine their genetic diversity. The preliminary studies show results inconsistent with the outcrossing paradigm based on individual environments of the studied groups.[7] There was an assumption that wild populations do not inbreed; this is not what is observed in the wild, and is illogical, stemming from cultural constraints against incest in humans affecting how we view animals."
And a few other partly or completely relevant sources:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/g092r3m342v4867q/
"But a new report in the Proceedings of the Royal Society series B (published online) on a naturally isolated population of lions paints a gloomier picture. Inbreeding and disease appear to have taken a major toll, reducing the population to well below the level that analysis of food resources suggest might be sustainable."
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...5d5777831023d5
"While conservationists were busy worrying about rhinos, elephants and gorillas, something entirely unexpected happened - the African lion began to vanish from the wild in large numbers, even in protected areas. A population previously estimated at 100,000 in the early 1990's shrank to possibly as few as 16,000 [...] debilitating effects of inbreeding among surviving lions in the isolated pockets of habitat left to them"
http://www.shopthirteen.org/webapp/w...0101&langId=-1
Thanks for these new insights LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix, you are of course 100% right. I learn something new each day, I love being around such well informed persons such as yourselve.
Just because I want to promote my favourite animal further, I present to you diving tigers!
Don, if you look around youtube, you'll find a video of a tiger killing a croc on land. The reptile is just basically defenseless - the tiger can get around it and go for the neck. The croc is far too clumsy to cope. Polar bear vs saltie is the same thing scaled up. I think the bear would be figure out how to tackle it - it not being too different from potential contests vs large seals on land that the bear might encounter.
BTW, there is also a fun website on animal fights that talks about lions, bears etc. It reckons the one predator that can beat the polar bear on land is the grizzly: similar size, but a more powerfully built creature with a stronger head and 6 inch rather than 2 inch claws. It says grizzlys tend to see off polar bears when the latter stray south.
No idea who would win in a gorilla vs lion fight. A battle to the death between the two is just so far from what would happen in nature, who can say? I don't think it would be like a lion hunting the gorilla - if it were (e.g. an ambush or a pursuit), the gorilla would be in trouble. But I don't think we can assume the lion would straightforwardly go for the neck as if hunting a bull. I think it would be more like a fight for domiance than a hunt. There would be a lot of confused scratching and thumping before; maybe wrestling if it really had to be to the death (not sure how you could engineer that). My gut feeling is that the lion is would prevail, being better equipped and instinctively knowing how to kill, unless the gorilla was smart enough to figure out some killer tactics (strangulation, breaking a limb or spine etc).
Silverbacks are formiddable, but a male lion in his prime exudes a similar bad ass atttitude. I remember a huge one sauntering past my open topped safari vehicle, so close I could have stroked him (ok, if I had very long arms). He just did not give a damn about the safari vehicle or anyone. He seemed to be packed full of testosterone and nothing remotely like those unimpressive sleepy little things you see in zoos.
yes like post 19 of this threadQuote:
Originally Posted by econ21
They leave healthy animals of any type alone for a reason. They cant risk getting hurt.Quote:
There's some pretty good reasons why carnivores tend to leave gorillas alone.
A lion will tear a gorilla up never mind a Tiger. Cats are the best killing machines on the planet today. Even your cat at home will give a big dog a good fight
Tiger vs Polar r Grizzly bear would be my match of the century
Well I found Grizzly vs Cougar. Damn that Grizzly is big and muscular.
Cougar vs Grizzly
Oh yes. Check out this absolutily amazing tiger attack. It just appears, and then WHAM. Poor guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/1387...8c7/index.html
If that guy lived he woulda need a new pair of underpants
HoooooWeeeeee - nice vid
If I was in a swimming pool and one of those would jump in I would scare myself to death.:fainting:Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Must eat peanuts mode.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Now if a cougar can do that imagine what a tiger could do
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The Cougar is a slender and agile cat. The length of adult males is around 2.4 m (8 ft) long nose to tail, with overall ranges between 1.5–2.75 meters (5–9 feet) nose to tail suggested for the species in general.[11][12] Males have an average weight of about 53–72 kilograms (115–160 pounds). In rare cases, some may reach over 120 kg (260 lb). Female average weight is between 34–48 kg (75–105 lb).[13] Cougars are smallest close to the equator, and increase in size as they approach the poles.[2]
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Tigers are the heaviest cats found in the wild.[8] Although different subspecies of tiger have different characteristics, in general male tigers weigh between 200 and 320 kilograms (440 and 700 lb) and females between 120 and 181 kg (265 and 400 lb). On average, males are between 2.6 and 3.3 metres (8 ft 6 in to 10 ft 8 in) in total length, and females are from nose to tip of tail between 2.3 and 2.75 metres (7 ft 6 in and 9 ft) in length. Of the living subspecies, Sumatran tigers are the smallest, and Amur (or Siberian) tigers are the largest.
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Male Bengal tigers range anywhere from 200 to 295 kg (440-650 lb) and females range between 120-180 kg (264-400 lb). Males in the wild usually weigh 205 to 227 kg (450-500 lb), while the average female will weigh about 140 kg (310 lb). However, the northern Indian and the Nepalese Bengal tigers are considerably bulkier than those found in other places, with recorded instances of shot males that weighed more than 300 kg (660 lb). One large male killed in Nepal in 1942 weighed 320 kg (706 lb), while another, killed in 1910 in India, weighed 317 kg (700 lb). The largest Bengal tiger ever shot was a male 3.3 m (11 ft) in total length and weighed close to 390 kg (857 lb); this giant was killed in 1967.
You wont even see it coming as the guy on that elephant found out. I just realised that means they can leap over a one story house. OMG.Quote:
In the wild, tigers can leap as high as 5 m (16 ft) and as far as 9-10 m (30-33 ft), making them one of the highest-jumping mammals (just slightly behind cougars in jumping ability).
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On average, male Siberian Tigers weigh about 300 kilograms (660 lb) [1] and female Amurs weigh about 160 kilograms (350 lb). However, males can weigh as much as 350 kilograms (800 lb), the largest documented wild Siberian Tiger weighing 384 kg (845 lbs). At these sizes, the Siberian Tiger is the largest natural creature of the cat family, a title it may share with the most northern living Bengal tigers. This, however, is not as large as the liger, a panthera hybrid only found in captivity. The largest captive Siberian Tiger was 3.9 metres (13 ft) long and weighed over 423 kilograms (932 lb). Apart from its size, the Siberian Tiger is differentiated from other tiger subspecies by its paler fur and dark brown (rather than black) stripes. As well as colour their fur is thicker and longer to keep them warm in the freezing temperatures of their habitat. Siberian Tigers also have larger feet than most other sub-species to facilitate movement through snow.
Pretty amazing how he manages to fool even the elephants. That said, it's pretty amazing and brave for the tiger to attack the man on top of the giant elephant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
I do imagine a Liger vs a Gorilla or Polar Bear would be an intensive battle.
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That dude is nuts. They had a guy on the discovery channel do the samething. I thought it was going to jump him or at least swat him a few times.
I saw a news story about an old man who got attacked by a leopard and killed it with his bare hands by ripping its tongue out.
Given that, the fact that gorillas traditionally fight eachother, and this:
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/5...rillabaux7.jpg
I would have to say gorilla.
Oh yeah Take that
http://img1.photographersdirect.com/...m/pd419105.jpg
And lets not forget these
http://www.vituperation.com/journal/2006/July/2620.jpg
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Tiger claws:
Claws are up to 5 inches in length. Forefeet have five claws, including a dew claw, while hind paws have four claws with the dew claw being absent.
Because dew claws are placed high on the limb they do not suffer wear from contact with the ground. This means they become particularly long and sharp, very useful for holding prey.
Great video! Awesome! Especially the last sequence whenQuote:
Originally Posted by TosaInu
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
If it attacked him he would be dead LOL . It made a threatening jesture at him so he made one back.Quote:
the lion attacked him and he did a boxing move in the air at the last moment to scare it back
More tiger pwnage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbbVxkMRqXA
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Well he said himself at the end of the video that if he hadn't distracted it it would have continued the attack all the way. The last move was definitely more serious than the earlier ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
No he didnt. And yes the last move the cat was thinking of giving him a little swat. Of course as he said it could take his head off. These lions act exactly the same as my pet cat. You need to understand their body language and habits. The lion was exploring and testing the man. Again if he attacked we wouldnt be talking about this and neither would he.Quote:
Well he said himself at the end of the video that if he hadn't distracted it it would have continued the attack all the way. The last move was definitely more serious than the earlier ones.
Man that has to stink. Ever smell a pet cat spray his territory PUQuote:
There's a show on Discovery indeed. He's known as Mad Mike and has an equally vivid side-kick (fond of African Wild Dogs). This is one of the most daring things I've seen him do, but approaching elephant bulls isn't a walk in the park either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
There may be the adrenaline kick and pushing the edges, but I also guess they add sensation to the movies to keep us normal people awake about wildlife. We've seen the Lion King and there's enough other entertainment these days, more interesting than seeing lions take down a zebra.
There isn't only the size of the jaw, but also the muscles to shut it down. Pussycat jaws are made to bite soft meat, gorillas bite off bamboo. Seems a tough coconut is no problem at all for them. Mind you, they won't make holes in it, they will completely crush it.
Harmless herbivores vs meateating lions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRwT...elated&search=
The lions had cubs, so a very good reason to fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBem...elated&search=
Why do you run lion? They are only grasseaters, not the top of the foodchain.
Hunting and striking from ambush (selecting the already weak, sick and cripple), yes they may win that.
I don't understand the difference. Someone about to cut your head off isn't an attack? Well, excuse my poor English, it's not my native language.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Don't confuse leopards and lions/tigers. Leopards don't tend to kill many people - when they attack, it is like don't really know what they are doing and usually bug out realising they have made a mistake - having inflicted only a few scratches on their shaken victim. They are smaller than men and not used to tackling man-sized prey (they make short work of small kids, though).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Man is close to natural prey for tigers and when they attack they will tend to take you by surprise, going straight for the neck. I doubt your bare hands would avail you. They kill serious numbers of people in the wild (even with their depleted numbers) and seem to regularly pick off unlucky zookeepers around the world.
Lions have pretty much the same armaments as tigers, but are unlikely to see us a natural prey. If they do get a taste for man-eating, they are overpowering - although often it seems to be the older cats who turned to this, being unable to hunt more fleet footed natural prey.
I'm not sure how much any of this relates to contests with gorillas, as they are obviously much more formiddable prey than an unarmed man.
Why do you hate felines :clown:Quote:
Originally Posted by TosaInu
I just say they are overrated.
I think that the Gorilla would snap the Lions back or neck.Hands are very good for that kind of stuff. Lets throw some more gasolin to the fire and pair us a new fighting pair! Polar Bear vs, Gorilla. I think that could be too much for poor ole cousin of us. Polar bear can use its hands also for fighting and i think that its heavier and stronger then the Gorilla.:smash:
Only because they were vastly outnumbered.Quote:
Harmless herbivores vs meateating lions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRwTQ...elated&search=
The lions had cubs, so a very good reason to fight.
I explained that earlier. Why do you think they hunt the young and sick? They cant take a chance of getting hurt or they die.Quote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBemh...elated&search=
Why do you run lion? They are only grasseaters, not the top of the foodchain.
Hunting and striking from ambush (selecting the already weak, sick and cripple), yes they may win that.
Ill tell you what you try taking on a leopard and try to pull its tongue out. You be a mess trying that with my pet cat. Or even trying to give him a bath. He weighs 20lbs and has real sharp teeth and claws :laugh4: Hes one big cat. And no he isnt fat either.
cat attack
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Wild Cat Attack
Yeah, leopard < lion; human < gorilla.Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
I think bite damage would be about the same, then it becomes a matter of hands vs claws. Gorillas are more intelligent and can use the trees better. The hate water however. I still say gorilla.
And just how many times do you think the human wins that encounter? Yeah I thought so. Thats why this was an amazing story. It would be the same if a gorilla killed a big male tiger. Some here seem to have watched King Kong a few too many times :laugh4:Quote:
Yeah, leopard < lion; human < gorilla.
Some good stuff from a site I found
The World's Baddest AnimalQuote:
The Bengal Tiger--By far the most impressive of the Big Cats, the Bengal tiger easily overwhelms other creatures close to its kin, moving easily into the BACMT after winning the Baddest Big Cat Cage Match Tournament (BBCCMT) running away. The lion is a pathetic pretender, massively outsized and outworked by the fearsome tiger. Leopards can climb trees, but they're simply too small. These beasts can get up to 12 feet long and 600 pounds. But their advantages are speed and stealth; they can approach in silence and then WHAM! Once the claws are in, it's going to be tough to get away. But can they deal with the sheer bulk of the elephant and the fierceness of the shark? No way. No freakin' way.
Mountain Gorilla--A sentimental favorite for many, and certainly the smartest of the contestants, the African mountain gorilla is a tough competitor. Incredibly strong, fast, and strategically smart, the mountain gorilla is a grappler at heart. Once his hands are on you, you're done for. The Tiger v. Gorilla matchup would be one for the ages, with strength and smarts battling strength and speed. My good friend Brad Thompson once commented that the Gorilla would surely win this Clash of the Titans, ostensibly by "tearing the face of the tiger in half." Powerful imagery. Thanks, Brad. Points against the Gorilla for its vegetarianism.
Hello Gawain of Orkeny,Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Yes. Such a target will be easier to get too. The easier, the less energy they have to invest. It's a bad idea to burn 1,000 calories in a hunt to win only 20 (that would be quite a light product, I know). They hunt for survival in those cases, not for fun.
Unlike us who hunt for sport and take out the fit in many cases. No fun in hunting the young, the small and the sick for us.
By the way has it occured to any of you that the Elephant is the real king of beasts with maybe the Rhino coming in a clsoe 2nd? Big and bad as they are I cant see any cat taking on a full grown male african elephant or big Rhino. Or anything else messing with them either.
Let's not forget the hippo.
I heard that they cause more death then other animals.
King Kong only eats airplanes, not tigers ~:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
The original bet was gorilla vs lion. Both male, both healthy, both having a reason to fight. No hunting or ambush scenarios, no scare or surprise factors.
A tiger is a slightly different case I think. I wouldn't declare him victor 10 out of 10, but a big tiger is nastier than a lion.
A chimp is much smaller than me, yet his arms are 50 times stronger than that of an adult male human (I guess the muscle fibre is more powerful per volume). I'm not small, yet I feel like a dwarf when comparing my volume with a gorilla. If he has the same tough fibres as a chimp (ough). And they are strong. Add to that their bite (that's underestimated), and the lion will need a lot of luck to deal with that. Lions hunting the weak do not score 100%, far from. This gorilla is not weak. So, how can we be so sure the lion will beat the gorilla?
Only after he is captured and brought here. Watch the movie again :laugh4:Quote:
King Kong only eats airplanes, not tigers
I think all would have to agree that in such a scenario you could not pick a winner as it would depend on the individual animals fighting and a fair amount of luck. Id say the odds are even.Quote:
The original bet was gorilla vs lion. Both male, both healthy, both having a reason to fight. No hunting or ambush scenarios, no scare or surprise factors.
Thats why I upped the anti. I wanted a clear winner.Quote:
A tiger is a slightly different case I think. I wouldn't declare him victor 10 out of 10, but a big tiger is nastier than a lion.
True. And what the lions do is good for nature (take out the sick to prevent epidemias, take out the weak so only the strong produce offspring).Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Very dangerous animals indeed. But what about the small ones like (fire)ants and killerbees? The elephant is out there in Africa, the other critters are after us (to put it boldly).Quote:
By the way has it occured to any of you that the Elephant is the real king of beasts with maybe the Rhino coming in a clsoe 2nd? Big and bad as they are I cant see any cat taking on a full grown male african elephant or big Rhino. Or anything else messing with them either.
Don't tell others please, apart from some well known bits, I've never seen the movie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
I agree, anything can happen. But if I had to make a choice: the gorilla.Quote:
I think all would have to agree that in such a scenario you could not pick a winner as it would depend on the individual animals fighting and a fair amount of luck. Id say the odds are even.
More likely to win than a lion is not the same as a clear winner. :)Quote:
Thats why I upped the anti. I wanted a clear winner.
Leopard vs Baboon
Not what you expect.
But notice how easily even a young leopard can kill a baboon. Leopard vs chimp probably would be more like lion vs gorilla though. The one thing you seem to keep forgetting is that all cats are designed with primarily one thing in mind and that is to kill. Its their whole purpose for living. They do it for fun.
Gorillas pah! Tigers phht!
These guys will pwn them all.
Don't click if of a nervous disposition!
Not one on one they wont
Actually the largest and most powerful tiger (and by extension, of all cats) is the Siberian tiger. But they're almost extinct :sad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain
You must have missed my earlier postQuote:
Actually the largest and most powerful tiger (and by extension, of all cats) is the Siberian tiger. But they're almost extinct
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On average, male Siberian Tigers weigh about 300 kilograms (660 lb) [1] and female Amurs weigh about 160 kilograms (350 lb). However, males can weigh as much as 350 kilograms (800 lb), the largest documented wild Siberian Tiger weighing 384 kg (845 lbs). At these sizes, the Siberian Tiger is the largest natural creature of the cat family, a title it may share with the most northern living Bengal tigers. This, however, is not as large as the liger, a panthera hybrid only found in captivity. The largest captive Siberian Tiger was 3.9 metres (13 ft) long and weighed over 423 kilograms (932 lb). Apart from its size, the Siberian Tiger is differentiated from other tiger subspecies by its paler fur and dark brown (rather than black) stripes. As well as colour their fur is thicker and longer to keep them warm in the freezing temperatures of their habitat. Siberian Tigers also have larger feet than most other sub-species to facilitate movement through snow.
Our latest argument at work is about a T-Rex versus a Triceratops. In an even fight face on, I say Triceratops wins hands down. The T-Rex is slow, unbalanced, has an unprehensile tail, and can't see. Plus his belly is vulnerable to goring and any good knock might throw him off balance.
Well I would say that Triceratops were designed or shall we say evolved to protect itself from predators such as T-Rex . However seeing as Triceratops was a staple dies of T-Rex i dont see how there can be any question as to who usually won. But just like most other examples here it would probably come down to the specific individuals picked to fight and luck. You would have to call it a draw. Again T-Rex like most predators didnt attack mature healthy animals unless it was desperate.
If the T-rex would attack on, I imagine the triceratops would easily disembowel him. Other than that...
Well, that's not very wide open I'd say, he may get problems to bite the lion/tiger in certain areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I thought all cats can retract their claws which is what enables them to sneak in the first place?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Do they not retract them normally?
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Originally Posted by TosaInu
And since cats kill their smaller prey by breaking the neck, I wouldn't say their bite is useless or so, at least they can open their mouth further and will have an easier time to bite at all.Quote:
The jaguar has developed an exceptionally powerful bite, even relative to the other big cats. This allows it to pierce the shells of armoured reptiles and to employ an unusual killing method: it bites directly through the skull of prey between the ears to deliver a fatal blow to the brain.
One of the best and most flexible jaws is that of big anacondas and similar snakes, it's always amazing when they swallow a complete goat or an alligator. And their killing technique is very effective as well once they got their prey in the right position, don't know whether a gorilla is strong enough to get out of their grip.
Concerning the dinosaurs, I guess it also depends on the circumstances of the fight, if a T-Rex really was that badly balanced, then he was a really bad predator and I have heard the theory that they just ate dead flesh anyway because their body was not made for hunting, IIRC it was something about the position and strength of their bones etc.
And insects who get into my way usually die, I'm actually kind of a supporter of insect genocide as long as we leave enough for the birds and other predators and well, honey bees and a few others aren't really bad, but those small fleas and mosquitos are getting on my nerves.
I think we've learned now that T-rex was in fact a scavenger, not a hunter. All those Jurassic Park movies are outdated fluff.
Well think again. Cheetahs for instance i dont believe can retract them. Besides the point is well the point :) Their very long and sharp and if your kitty has ever cut you you can imagine what a tigers claw would do. It will disembowel you in a single strokeQuote:
I thought all cats can retract their claws which is what enables them to sneak in the first place?
The weak overpowering the strong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
He doesn't seem to have the build to reach the spine using his yaws like cats try to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
I don't want mine in either yaw. The bite of a gorilla (like this) is more powerful than that of an adult leopard.Quote:
And since cats kill their smaller prey by breaking the neck, I wouldn't say their bite is useless or so, at least they can open their mouth further and will have an easier time to bite at all.
Yes, it is. Yesterday I saw the prey coming back out again, so the snake could get away faster. A pity, as that duck was a years meal for him.Quote:
One of the best and most flexible jaws is that of big anacondas and similar snakes, it's always amazing when they swallow a complete goat or an alligator.
Depends on the size. A 5 m anaconda weighs around 100 kg afaik. That's a lot of muscles. Their technique is also economic: they don't fight agains the force, they just contract a bit more when the victim exhales, reducing the longvolume of the victim bit by bit.Quote:
And their killing technique is very effective as well once they got their prey in the right position, don't know whether a gorilla is strong enough to get out of their grip.
@Husar: hm, I thought a lot of the cats used thier jaws to suffocate the victims, not to break their necks. It requires far less jaw strength. For instance the tiger and lynx are supposed to suffocate the prey IIRC. Dunno about the other kittys.
Little monkey taunts tiger: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1AZn5nWIj_g
Longer version but edited and with lower image quality: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7czjUfnc...elated&search=
(hope it hasn't been posted before)
Hello LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix,Quote:
Originally Posted by LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix
Depends on the prey and the opportunities. They are interested in food, not in gaining points for some style competition. A lynx doesn't need to suffocate the mice/squirels he catches.
Squeezing the airduct is a way, drilling their large teeth into the spine of the victim, tackling the prey on the run (and thus it breaking its back), taking down the prey due to the shock of the impact of body or claws, a combination or even eating alive are other methods.
Despite this array, preys get away or are only taken down after quite some efforts.
Louis VI the Fat posted a buffalo vs lions vs crocs movie in another topic http://www.break.com/index/a-brawl-in-the-safari.html
The buffalo calf was still alive and walked away after all that happened. It would be lost in the end without this overwhelming help, just a bit surprising it could still walk away.
Apart from other ferocious live and death struggles between lion and prey that can last hours, people have survived serious lion attacks too. There was a parkguard who had to close a gate at the end of the day and biked alone in the dark. He heard lions closing in and they attacked him. He was badly wounded and the lions started eating. Suddenly another man with a gun showed up in a car and managed to rout the lions. It probably shouldn't be another minute, but the whole pack didn't instagib the man (National Geographic show?).
lol
A dangerous game with those cubs.
lol
Another favorite method is Disembowelment using the hind legs. Grab a cat by the throat somtime and see what it does. Them hind legs well tear you a new one.Quote:
Squeezing the airduct is a way, drilling their large teeth into the spine of the victim, tackling the prey on the run (and thus it breaking its back), taking down the prey due to the shock of the impact of body or claws, a combination or even eating alive are other methods.
Hello Gawain of Orkeny,
One of our cats did exactly that. One moment she was cute, a splitsecond later she rolled over, clenched the hand using arms and mouth and kicked using the hind. She chased a mastino because he was bugging the pet rabbid (rabbid was also her buddy). She walked to the dog like everything was cool, a swift strike and the dog routed.
Her brother was more a stoic. Both were hairpulling stubborn at times, great animals.