The incredible evil plot of the evil beersalesmen [Concluded]

Obviously the mafia have been informed that I don’t have much time at hand and therefore thought it safe to kill me in the first round…

WRONG!!!!!

This is aggravation to the first degree… Hadn’t it been for my self imposed gag I would have had GH the Godfather lynched after pulling this stunt on me in GF1.
I can be a nuisance as a dead player and I will be so again.


Now to the task at hand…

Why do you vote Andres, Beefy ? Have you not read the night results?

Now that it is clear that Stig wrote the kill descriptions, why is your gut saying pevergreen, GH? This is a bit early to get vibes for a player that has not posted anything but his sign in to the game.

As Andres and others inquired... Faust, your vote and then the editing? an explanation would be great.

Why are you fishing Omanes? You are not confirmed innocent. The rules does not really clarify revealing of roles while you are alive except that you can't quote pms. If you want a coordinator... I am right here with the dedication to see this game through.




Tally:

Greaterkhaan 2 (Andres, CountA)

Andres 1 (Beefy)
Dutch_guy 1 (Gkhaan)
GvI 1 (Tran)
Ichigo 1 (Roadkill)
Pevergreen 1 (GH)
Sasaki 1 (Ichigo)

Abstains 1 (Omanes)
Not voting 11 (Dutch_guy, Faust, GvI, Lorenzo, pevergreen, Prole, Sasaki, Seamus, Shlin, TBlade, WMAster, Xdeath)

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Originally Posted by Andres

But, but, but... I got attacked last night :inquisitive: :bigcry: Evil Heineken salesmen attacked me and now Beefy votes me :bigcry:

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And he spells your name wrong ~;)

EDIT:

The first rounds of voting are best used to get everyone to talk, especially the players one knows pretty much nothing about.

Vote: Shlin28

What are your thoughts so far, any lynch preferences ?

:balloon2:

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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

And he spells your name wrong ~;)

EDIT:

The first rounds of voting are best used to get everyone to talk, especially the players one knows pretty much nothing about.

Vote: Shlin28

What are your thoughts so far, any lynch preferences ?

:balloon2:

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You are very active. It seems out of character.

Change of style or too much time on your hands in the summer holidays?

sorry i missed that bit
i read it again

Unvote: Andres
hopefully i spelt that right im really really sorry for my careless voting and spelling your name wrong

Vote:abstain

ill change my vote soon as one person gets suspecious

i am quite offended sigurd, i shall now have to raise my activity level!

Still not much but Omanes...I thought you were better than that...you made a fish for a role early, bad move mafia boy :whip:
Vote: Omanes

cant do tally, on laptop

Some really random votings going on here, cant see any one that suspicious so I will Vote: No Lynch

And pevergreen, you can do tally on laptop, not that hard.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Tally:

Greaterkhaan 2 (Andres, CountA)

Dutch_guy 1 (Gkhaan)
GvI 1 (Tran)
Ichigo 1 (Roadkill)
Pevergreen 1 (GH)
Sasaki 1 (Ichigo)
Omanes 1 (pever)
No Lynch 1 (Xdeath)

Abstains 2 (Omanes, Beefy)
Not voting 11 (Dutch_guy, Faust, GvI, Lorenzo, Prole, Sasaki, Seamus, Shlin, TBlade, WMAster)

Just got back from out of town, but I don't see anything that significant other than Sigurd's main four points.

Vote: Abstain for now..

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Tally:

Greaterkhaan 2 (Andres, CountA)

Dutch_guy 1 (Gkhaan)
GvI 1 (Tran)
Ichigo 1 (Roadkill)
Pevergreen 1 (GH)
Sasaki 1 (Ichigo)
Omanes 1 (pever)
No Lynch 1 (Xdeath)

Abstains 2 (Omanes, Beefy, Prole)
Not voting 11 (Dutch_guy, Faust, GvI, Lorenzo, Sasaki, Seamus, Shlin, TBlade, WMAster)

There's a difference between abstain and no lynch.

Vote:No lynch

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Tally:

Greaterkhaan 2 (Andres, CountA)
No Lynch 2 (Xdeath, WH)

Dutch_guy 1 (Gkhaan)
GvI 1 (Tran)
Ichigo 1 (Roadkill)
Pevergreen 1 (GH)
Sasaki 1 (Ichigo)
Omanes 1 (pever)


Abstains 3 (Omanes, Beefy, Prole)
Not voting 10 (Dutch_guy, Faust, GvI, Lorenzo, Sasaki, Seamus, Shlin, TBlade)

Unvote ; vote : Faust

@Stig : what happens if there is a tie at the end of the day?

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

As Andres and others inquired... Faust, your vote and then the editing? an explanation would be great.

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I had voted for pevergreen initially on that post, as I told Ichigo through PM. However, it looked to me like GK would be lynched so I thought it would be a better move to keep quiet for now and open next round with a vote for pevergreen.

Since I posted last, pever has written other stuff that makes me suspicious of him.

So now, vote pevergreen.

I'll post this quick to create a tie and then edit to explain.

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looks like im screwed for this game, with GH having a gut feeling against me.

Not much has happened so far, but i can assure you that if i was mafia, Twilight would have died.

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This post struck me as scummy. It looks like a mafia trying to be in the townie mindset but making blunders. Both sentences suffer from this, and the second one contains totally useless, neutral, and obvious information. He summarizes the game and assures that he is not mafia, but doesn't place a vote. Seems like he is not concerned at that point at all about the GK argument, instead concerned only with his own image.

Since then he's made other scummy posts. Look at the way he reacts to this, Sigurd's post:

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Now that it is clear that Stig wrote the kill descriptions, why is your gut saying pevergreen, GH? This is a bit early to get vibes for a player that has not posted anything but his sign in to the game.

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pevergreen writes:

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i am quite offended sigurd, i shall now have to raise my activity level!

Still not much but Omanes...I thought you were better than that...you made a fish for a role early, bad move mafia boy
Vote: Omanes

cant do tally, on laptop

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Sigurd wasn't addressing pevergreen, just stating a fact that isn't in the slightest incriminating at this early stage. Yet pevergreen is ultra-sensitive to this and responds. He follows this with a weak, weak vote and explanation.

To me, it looks like he is in need of more practice being a mafia.

So,

Tally:

Greaterkhaan 1 (CountA)
No Lynch 2 (Xdeath, WH)
pevergreen 2 (GH, Faust)
Faust 1 (Andres)
Dutch_guy 1 (Gkhaan)
GvI 1 (Tran)
Ichigo 1 (Roadkill)
Sasaki 1 (Ichigo)
Omanes 1 (pever)

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Originally Posted by Andres

@Stig : what happens if there is a tie at the end of the day?

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No lynch, ties make sure games take longer and longer, and the longer they take the more people that drop out.

Vote:abstain No one suspicious

He said i had only made one post, signing up. I am in the top 5 for activity, and i pride myself on that :bow:

So far, I am defending against a gut feeling which hasnt been explained (most likely GH is working/asleep), a "weak" vote on Omanes who pulls a role grab early? and not being happy about being called inactive...oh yes, lynch me now...

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

He said i had only made one post, signing up. I am in the top 5 for activity, and i pride myself on that :bow:

So far, I am defending against a gut feeling which hasnt been explained (most likely GH is working/asleep), a "weak" vote on Omanes who pulls a role grab early? and not being happy about being called inactive...oh yes, lynch me now...

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Not quite, almost. Add to that that you've responded really quickly to my vote. :beam: It is somewhat strange that you've responded so quickly when you said twice in previous posts that not much is happening at this stage.

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Originally Posted by Stig

No lynch, ties make sure games take longer and longer, and the longer they take the more people that drop out.

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In that case:

Vote : pevergreen

I prefer a lynching over no lynch.

Tally:

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Greaterkhaan 1 (CountA)
No Lynch 2 (Xdeath, WH)
pevergreen 3 (GH, Faust, Andres)
Dutch_guy 1 (Gkhaan)
GvI 1 (Tran)
Ichigo 1 (Roadkill)
Sasaki 1 (Ichigo)
Omanes 1 (pever)

one more hour for people to vote, just so you know it

Forgot to bold my vote.

Vote : pevergreen

pevergreen, I am relying on my usual tactic - reverse logic! If I was mafia would I have asked for role information to arouse suspicion over myself - probably not?

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Originally Posted by Andres

You are very active. It seems out of character.

Change of style or too much time on your hands in the summer holidays?

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Summer holidays. And for what it's worth, I am not very active ~;)

:balloon2:

Hold up. Why are we bandwagoning off of me?

To extend the voting period...

Unvote: pevergreen
Vote: Ichigo

Right Pever got lynched, going to do a write up now, but just so you know, you can start sending your PMs.

Night 2 has started

Curse you GH :furious3:

no-one got lynched, night still started, write up, for what it's worth, to follow

Okay, now that I've got my vote in I'm going to explain my rationale.

I voted pevergreen off a gut feeling just from viewing the first kill writeup. Since Stig said he pretty much did the writeups himself I really had nothing to work with.

-edit- Waitaminute, I just read Stig's description regarding ties.

Unvote: Ichigo
Vote: pevergreen

It's too late now, your 19:02 post came before I posted. But this one is too late, Pevergreen is lucky

Sorry everyone, I was unaware of Stig's tie policy until it was too late. :sorry:

FWIW, Sigurd, I remember exactly what a nuisance you were in Graffiti after you were whacked early on.

I'd also like to hear a legit defense from greaterkhaan.

Day 1 has ended

The barman of the Red Lion stands.
"Right, you have all been voting for the person you think is a Heineken salesmen. And, because of some last minute vote shifting I will have to disappoint you. No-one will be kicked out of town today. One of you decided that a tie might have been better, and although he complained and complained to me he was to late to change his vote back. So, a round from the man who made sure we were not going to have great night, you pay GH!" ~:cheers: ~:cheers:

Tally:

pevergreen 2 (Faust, Andres)
No Lynch 2 (Xdeath, WH)
Ichigo 2 (Roadkill, GH)
Dutch_guy 1 (Gkhaan)
GvI 1 (Tran)
Sasaki 1 (Ichigo)
Omanes 1 (pever)
Greaterkhaan 1 (CountA)
Shlin 1 (DG)
Abstains 3 (Omanes, Beefy, Prole)
Not voting 6 (GvI, Lorenzo, Sasaki, Seamus, Shlin, TBlade)

To be expecting an angry PM: Lorenzo, Shlin, Tblade, Caius (Sasaki has been posting, Seamus and Lorenzo are inactive, so sending them a pm wouldn't matter)

Gah!

I made late to the discussion, but Im trying to be active

Sorry about being inactive but I've been unable to log on for a couple days.

Apologies for not participating. I've been away at a funeral (great aunt, though effectively my grandmom). Active again as of night two.

Well, I seem to have caught a lucky break.
I responded quickly to your vote, as i was on at that time :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

He said i had only made one post, signing up. I am in the top 5 for activity, and i pride myself on that :bow:

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I was correct in my statement.
At the time GH posted his vote for you, you had only one post in the entire thread; your initial sign in post. That you posted several times after that makes my claim no less true.

GH posted based on a gut feeling even though you hadn't made a single post other than:
"and you can expect a post saying that im in." And that was before the roles were assigned.

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Originally Posted by Stig

Roles:
-Ofcourse we will have the 3 mafia, the Heineken salesmen.
-Next to that there will be a doctor role, but the name of the role will remain unknown.
-And a detective role, but this name will also remain unknown.
-Next to that there will be some "weak" villagers, they won't leave town out of embarrassment, no they will join the salesmen.
-And we'll have a couple of totally unknown pro-town roles (not that much, don't be frightened) and these will remain completely unknown for everyone who doesn't have such a role.

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A doctor... what do you do? stock someones fridge with good beer? and then the beersalesmen have no chance of selling their evil stuff?

Alright... we have a detective.
May I suggest that you investigate GH this night.

The weak villages... will Stig even mention a conversion in his narration?

What do you mean by your wording of the unknown roles; these will remain completely unknown for everyone who doesn't have such a role.
Are they informed of eachother? Do one of these roles know of the other roles?

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will Stig even mention a conversion in his narration?

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He will

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Are they informed of eachother? Do one of these roles know of the other roles?

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Nope and nope, there are a couple of special roles, but only the people that have such a role know about that certain role.

I posted on the first page that I would not be on for Tuesday or Wednesday, so eh... no angry pm for me please??? :embarassed:

I have updated my spreadsheet and I am sorry to inform you that the result of day one is incorrect.

the right tally should be:

pevergreen 2 (Faust, Andres)

Dutch_guy 1 (Gkhaan)
GvI 1 (Tran)
Greaterkhaan 1 (CountA)
Ichigo 1 (GH)
Omanes 1 (pever)
Sasaki 1 (Ichigo)
Shlin 1 (DG)

Abstains 3 (Omanes, Beefy, Prole, RoadKill)
No Lynch 2(Xdeath, WH)
Not voting 6 (GvI, Lorenzo, Sasaki, Seamus, Shlin, TBlade)

I guess no-one saw RoadKill's change from Ichigo to Abstain (posted 17:20)
And since the rules don't mention the unvote, vote: thing, RoadKill's vote is valid.

Sigurd, it doesn't change anything.

There would still be a tie between pevergreen and no lynch.
And that would be no lynch.

hmm... I guess you are right Warmaster.

Which leads to my next question.
Why are you and Xdeath voting No Lynch?
It is obstructing the course of the game and not quite helpful. It can be used as a tool in the endgame but right now the mafia can sit laughing because they are not threathened. There is a slight chance to lynch a mafia in every round.
What if GH is right about pevergreen?
If you don't want to participate in a lynching vote abstain.

I agree with Sigurd on that.

"No lynch" won't help us. If you don't have a clue, please just vote abstain.

It's pretty random at this stage of the game, but we still have a decent chance to lynch a mafioso; 1/7 is not that bad.

I simply used the latest tally, as I thought that was correct (and I added DG's vote which people forgot) ... but then as WM said it doesn't matter

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I posted on the first page that I would not be on for Tuesday or Wednesday, so eh... no angry pm for me please???

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Heheh, sorry m8, I forgot.

Haven't send out the pms anyway, seems like I didn't need to, you turn up, Caius turns up, Seamus finally recieved my pm and Lorenzo is still inactive as it seems. Only Tblade to show up.

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

looks like im screwed for this game, with GH having a gut feeling against me.

Not much has happened so far, but i can assure you that if i was mafia, Twilight would have died.

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I can see how you were correct, this hardly qualifies as a post at all...:sweatdrop:

I get a pro town feel from GH's actions around lynch time. I think if he was mafia he would have made sure pever got lynched.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

I get a pro town feel from GH's actions around lynch time. I think if he was mafia he would have made sure pever got lynched.

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Unless, and I admit this is rather unlikely, both GH and pever are mafia.

If they are both mafia, they would vote for each other so that nobody would be suspicious of them...

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Originally Posted by Andres

Unless, and I admit this is rather unlikely, both GH and pever are mafia.

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Yeah, but GH has been in enough day ones to know how few votes the first lynchee usually gets.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Yeah, but GH has been in enough day ones to know how few votes the first lynchee usually gets.

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I concur. 2 and 3 votes for the same name will often suffice for a lynch in rounds 1 and 2 -- even from a large field. GH's actions cannot conclusively "clear" him, but I lean with Sasaki's assessment on this one.

As to the comments about "no lynch" votes. Sigurd has the right of it. A useful tactic in the end-game (selectively) to lengthen out the process and provide more time to gather data on the mafia. In the early and mid-game, however, I think Sasaki's reasoning against the "no lynch" is more important than the small chance of an early mafia kill (which can happen, but isn't common). Sasaki has argued that it is early bandwagons and the spirited discussions they generate that are PRECISELY what is needed to prompt interaction and create conditions wherein the mafia might let something slip and be revealed (or at least make statements that can be shown to be inaccurate rounds later as new information emerges).

I see. Right, in that case... Anyway, too late to do anything now...

Sorry guys!

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As to the comments about "no lynch" votes. Sigurd has the right of it. A useful tactic in the end-game (selectively) to lengthen out the process and provide more time to gather data on the mafia. In the early and mid-game, however, I think Sasaki's reasoning against the "no lynch" is more important than the small chance of an early mafia kill (which can happen, but isn't common). Sasaki has argued that it is early bandwagons and the spirited discussions they generate that are PRECISELY what is needed to prompt interaction and create conditions wherein the mafia might let something slip and be revealed (or at least make statements that can be shown to be inaccurate rounds later as new information emerges).

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And next to this No Lynch doesn't encourage discussion = makes sure the game slowly dies = no fun

:furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3:

Hence why I urge people to vote instead of post (see when I WoG or ask for a replacement) ... tho both would be fine

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Originally Posted by Stig

And next to this No Lynch doesn't encourage discussion = makes sure the game slowly dies = no fun

:furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3:

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You're the host, it's your game. You can always forbid us to vote "no lynch"...

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Originally Posted by Andres

You're the host, it's your game. You can always forbid us to vote "no lynch"...

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Ah, to be perfectly fair I remembered I forgot to put something in the rules after the first person abstained.

Then add it in now.

Nah, too late, I made a mistake

And what did you want to add in?
And what mistake did you make?

The fact that you should vote for someone

Night fase is over btw, write-up to follow

Night 2 is over

Seamus was walking down the street after coming back from a great night at the pub.
When he turned into the street he lives in he saw a large truck parked outside it's house. Seamus, ofcourse, forced open the trucks doors to find out what was inside. And he found heaven, in the darkness of the truck Seamus saw crates full of beer, and gready as he was I stepped into the truck as he wanted to unload it. However when he finally managed to get into the truck the doors behind him closed.
"Does it matter," he thought, "I have my beer." And he popped open the first bottle, and the second, and the third, and the fourth.
When Seamus woke up in the morning a sun was shining into the truck and multiple villagers were standing outside, look angry.
Seamus looked around and realised what he had done: Heineken.
As quickly as he could he got out of the truck, back in front again to avoid the angry mob and he rode off. Never to be seen again.

Pevergreen was almost a sleep when he heard something being pushed through his letterbox.
"At this time of the night. Should be something important," he thought.
He got out of bed, walked down the stairs and on the doormat there was a single postcard. On it there was a simple text:
"Congratulations sir, you have won a cruise trip. You are expected tomorrow at dawn in the harbour of Bombay."
The last people saw of Pever was him screaming for a cab, which rushed out of town.


Still alive:
Beefy
Andres
Xdeathfire
Lorenzo
Caius (aka mr. difficult name)
Prole
Sasaki
DG
Tran
Faust
Shlin
Omanes
GH
Ichigo
Khaan
CA
Twilightblade
Roadkill
WM

Killed:
Sigurd
Seamus
Pevergreen

Start voting

Huh? Why did they kill Pever? I'm confused. Why would the mafia kill off someone who was garnering attention and was nearly lynched? Makes no sense to me.

That's very interesting.

Vote: greaterkhaan

I don't like the posts you've been making. This last one (#135) clinches it. You don't ask questions, you answer them in your head.

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Originally Posted by Andres

Unless, and I admit this is rather unlikely, both GH and pever are mafia.

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Alright, I'll answer my own question, GH. As Andres stated, you would be a rather unlikely suspect due to your saving of Pever. Of course, with Pever dead, this SHOULD clear you name, right? And Pever just HAPPENS to be killed this night? Seems like a little too much of a concidence to me.
Vote: GeneralHankerchief

Vote:greaterkhaan

This is the 2nd round in a row you've tried to get someone lynched based on who was killed; really scummy.

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Originally Posted by greaterkhaan

Alright, I'll answer my own question, GH. As Andres stated, you would be a rather unlikely suspect due to your saving of Pever. Of course, with Pever dead, this SHOULD clear you name, right? And Pever just HAPPENS to be killed this night? Seems like a little too much of a concidence to me.

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It could also be you with a weak double-bluff frame attempt. :rolleyes:

Vote:GH.

I'm sorry mate, but I can't believe you missed what Stig said about ties. And your edit was perhaps slightly too quick.

I knew there wasn't much time left so I skimmed.

Once I had my unvote in I believed that there was more time to go over the posts so I did. Then I saw what Stig was saying and tried to change my vote back to pever.

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Originally Posted by Warmaster Horus

Vote:GH.

I'm sorry mate, but I can't believe you missed what Stig said about ties. And your edit was perhaps slightly too quick.

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fos:WH
I missed what stig said about ties. And why would GH as mafia go out of his way to save an innocent?

Hmmm. Maybe...

Unvote

But I'm keeping my eye on you :inquisitive:

Vote: GreaterKhann

He does seem rather suspicious now that Pever's dead... but GH saving an innocent could be a ruse, afterall if he did that nobody could accuse him of being a mafia.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

fos:WH
I missed what stig said about ties. And why would GH as mafia go out of his way to save an innocent?

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Easy: he made a mistake. As far to my knowledge, even the great GH is human. He wanted to make a tie to 'promote discussion', thereby lessening suspicion on him. However, he, like you, missed the bit about a tie resulting in no lynch.

No mention of Heineken in pever's story... My bet is that it was not the mafia.
Ergo he could have been removed by a townie with abilities.

Welcome to the dead rules society guys.

If it wasn't mafia, then what happened to the other mafia kill? Keep in mind, even when they're blocked, we still get the writeup of it happening.

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Originally Posted by shlin28

Vote: GreaterKhann

He does seem rather suspicious now that Pever's dead... but GH saving an innocent could be a ruse, afterall if he did that nobody could accuse him of being a mafia.

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We can still accuse him of being mafia, that's the thing. Such a move is not that convincing.

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

No mention of Heineken in pever's story... My bet is that it was not the mafia.
Ergo he could have been removed by a townie with abilities.

Welcome to the dead rules society guys.

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Wow I had completely missed this. So pever isn't proven innocent.

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Originally Posted by greaterkhaan

Easy: he made a mistake. As far to my knowledge, even the great GH is human. He wanted to make a tie to 'promote discussion', thereby lessening suspicion on him. However, he, like you, missed the bit about a tie resulting in no lynch.

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unvote

I still get a pro-town feel from GH. But your point is valid, if he had misread the rules he would have thought he was creating a tie which would result in a lynch eventually.

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Originally Posted by greaterkhaan

If it wasn't mafia, then what happened to the other mafia kill? Keep in mind, even when they're blocked, we still get the writeup of it happening.

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Yes...
Who knows, maybe some of the role actions don't get narrated.
It could have been a block by a roleblocker.
It could have been the mafia choosing to do only one kill to fool us. They suspect someone is blocking and when only one kill is narrated, the roleblocker comes out of the closet and proclaims: I blocked so and so, he must be mafia. The mafia makes sure this player dies next round.
The mafia could have sent the kill pm too late. It seems Stig is strict when it comes to deadlines.

There are many possibilities.

However, there are only one kill that mentiones the magical word of Heineken.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

FWIW, Sigurd, I remember exactly what a nuisance you were in Graffiti after you were whacked early on.

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On the other hand, in this game it is possible to convert players. So maybe the mafia didn't really want to kill Sigurd or me, but to convert one of us.

I didn't like your little "voting/unvoting/oops..." performance.

Vote : GeneralHankerchief

I will pray that the truck takes me to St. James Gate.....

Vote: shlin

He was the third one to vote for GK and as such, bandwagonned.

This is already difficult to follow. I think pevergreen's death should be considered, but over all, considering it wasn't an apparent Heineken man, it was prolly some other serial killer action or something. Not something we'll have alot of luck ferreting out, and also not something preventing us from a townie win.

Vote: Greaterkhan for now, but I agree GH still seems suspicious because of what Andres pointed out. 'I was for the lynch right after I was against it blahblah'

GH's voting last day phase was really scummy.

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Hold up. Why are we bandwagoning off of me?

To extend the voting period...

Unvote: pevergreen
Vote: Ichigo

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To start off, the votes for pevergreen were clearly not a bandwagon off of GH. Erroneous statement. GH's vote elicited a post from pever, but that's the only connection.

The vote is scummy to say the least. If GH and pever are innocent, there are many coincidences that would have had to take place for things to turn out the way they did. Not to mention GH must have been having a bad day. GH's post with the explanation of his rationale is also weird.

As for pevergreen's kill write-up not having anything to do with Heineken, the two possibilities are that pevergreen was vigilante-killed, or pevergreen was mafia, and so a Heineken write-up wouldn't make sense.

GH's hounding of GK (not a strong suspect to me) at this early stage is suspicious. Maybe he's been forced to do this because of scummy actions?


Another comment on the pevergreen kill write-up:

Here are the conditions that would have to exist for pevergreen to be innocent:

-There IS a vigilante role.
-While the vigilante chose to kill pever, the mafia missed a kill.
-pevergreen just happened to sound scummy in his posts, but was not.

So, vote: GH

Tally:

Greaterkhaan: 3 (GH, shlin, Proletariat, )
GeneralHankerchief: 3 (GK, Andres, Faust)
shlin: 1 (CA)

Just for example...
If GH is innocent:

-GH had to have read enough to realize pever would be lynched and that there was an hour left to vote, but missed the parts where Andres voted pever to break the tie that would result in "no lynch". All of this information is on the top of page 4 of the thread (for me, anyway).
-GH posted a minute before Stig announced the lynch (presumably, shortly after he logged in?)
-GH actually wanted more discussion in an otherwise productive first round when we had a seemingly satisfactory first round lynch candidate, and with much discretion removed his vote for pever which was at first cast with appropriate recklessness (appropriate because the first round).
-GH made an obviously erroneous statement saying that the voters for pevergreen had bandwagoned off him.
-GH thought that the mafia wrote the kills. This turned out not to be true.

This stuff is possible, but to me GH is the best lynch at this point.

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-GH actually wanted more discussion in an otherwise productive first round when we had a seemingly satisfactory first round lynch candidate, and with much discretion removed his vote for pever which was at first cast with appropriate recklessness (appropriate because the first round).

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In my skimming, I saw pever's votes accompanied by short posts. Short posts + subsequent order = bandwagoning to me.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

In my skimming, I saw pever's votes accompanied by short posts. Short posts + subsequent order = bandwagoning to me.

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Hmm, the post that accompanied my vote was the longest on page 3. Again, in skimming you must have seen the hour-to-vote-deadline post and the spoiled vote tally, but missed the very first post on the page, Andres' vote for pever. Actually, you must have seen it, but did not catch any of the (few) words other than "vote:pevergreen". Anyway, my vote stands... apologies if I'm wrong.

Hmm...GH and greater are the most suspicious, but I cant come to believe that GH has made a mistake, and I think he was too quick in voting for greater. I personally saw nothing that he did that was extremely bad. I will not vote for either right now, but may vote for GH in the future.

since im leaving to air port soon and i have to pack stuff up ill make it short
reading all the posts im convinced that GH is the most suspecious at this point.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

In my skimming, I saw pever's votes accompanied by short posts. Short posts + subsequent order = bandwagoning to me.

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pevergreen making short posts = normal activity
normal activity = pevergreen innocent.

Or incredibly skilled mafia. Anyway, it looks like I have been vigilante killed, but i ask stig: Can the mafia request that beer is made no reference to in the kill?

My thought on the killer: Idiot :laugh4: Doesnt matter, looks as if they killed who they thought was the most suspicious. Turns out to be me.

I think the role is "Travel Agent" so watch out for more of that kind of thing in the future.