King of the Romans Out of Character thread XIII

Sorry, Bavarians - that was my mix up (Fredericus and Frederich are too similar for my befuddled brain to keep distinct. EDIT: or even to spell, "Friedrich" not Frederich ~:doh:).

The Steward's report for 1300 is up:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=287

It includes a letter from Siegfried penned by Ituralde.

For both OOC and IC purposes, we are now in 1302. I will not press end turn before 48 hours, so people have a chance to react to events etc. I am going to make some moves on the map and see what, if any battles, need to be assigned to other players.

It's going to be a busy term for the history books isn't it?

Just a question, do people want it possible for the Kaiser to be impeached, or do we let this play, as part of the catastrophe.

just let it go, i think. the charter amendment, if i remember correctly, allows for a twenty year buildup and a twenty year cataclysm.

Good question. By giving econ21 and TC carte blanc to bring forth Chaos, they could find some way to dodge impeachment. However, that shouldn't stop our characters from reacting in a consistent way to the ongoing events. Of course, it may be difficult to do that, since OOC we know something bad is coming and that can alter our reaction as well.

God knows Matthias is about to start frothing at the mouth, but he just finished his term as Chancellor and is a Bavarian, so he takes the donation of Palermo and Naples very personally.

People can protest in the Diet, but please don't try to kick out Siegfried just yet. It would kill the plot we've worked out. (I know this OOC injunction is a bit of a plot hole, but we are not Shakespeare... :shrug:).

I don't know, somewhere along the line someone's bound to say "A plague on both your houses!"

Impeachment can only happen with an Emergency Session. That requires the consent of the Kaiser (not gonna happen), the Prince (not gonna happen), or 3 of the 4 Dukes. I doubt 3 Dukes would agree on it quite yet. Even if they do, Elberhard/Theodora could have two of them dragged kicking and screaming from the Diet. If they're not in the Diet, they can't lend their voice to a call for an Emergency Session (so sayeth the Kaiser, who is able to interpret the Charter however he wants). Thus, no Emergency Session is possible and an impeachment vote cannot be brought.

Doesn't mean you can't raise a ruckus though.

Ask for Siegfried tomorrow, and you shall find him a grave man.

I'm in the mood for some ruckus-raising, but I'm banned and busy eating babies, as PK would say.

LOL, save some of your outrage for later. You'll need it.

Ok, I guess that's fair. I'll save my outrage good and well.

*Meditates*

Has anyone else caught from the screenshot that the diplomat that gave naples and palermo is named "Salier"?

Kinda funny and ironic. :yes:

Two offensive battles for 1302:

King Jan (Privateerkev):

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Army of Outremer North has intercepted a Turkish army marching on Edessa. You have been reinforced by three regiments of the Edessa garrison and a regiment of mercenary Turcopoles (whose speed may aid you in pursuing routing cavalry). Good hunting, my King.

Fredericus Erlach (Stuperman):

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Household Army Gerhard has pursued the rebel army east of Marseilles. Duke Lothar is eager that you earn your spurs. He is using the patented Lothar method of giving command to an unknighted general. He has given you command of the advance guard of the Army, below seven units in strength so not requiring an Army Commander. This is your chance to prove your quality to your Duke.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1302-1.zip

Generals have 24 hours from the date of this post to play their battles, otherwise they will wait for next year.

Gamesmaster message for Duke Ansehelm (Stig):

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You have lost contact with the Prussian Household Army. Thorn is besieged by Russians. Your Teutonic Army is marching there at full speed, but will not be able to reach it before the Russians have a chance to assault. To cap it all - Tancred von Tyrolia has disappeared with the Vilnius garrison, as has one of your regiments of Teutons.

It's been a looong time since I could say this but,

I have the save.

:yes:

If you make anything happen to Ansehelm I'll kill you, know that. I didn't abstain in the poll for nothing.
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Awkward Christmas at the von Kastilien's this year. :sweatdrop:

I'm shocked things have gotten off to such an early start.

God, you are a bunch of old women[1]. Lose two provinces and a couple of Franconians and you'd think it was the end of the world. :eyebrows:




[1]Apologies for the sexism. :ballchain: :whip:

EDIT: ...and ageism :ballchain: :whip: :whip:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1302-2.zip

alright, fought my battle and uploaded the new one for SM.

Jan executed 3800 prisoners and exterminated the city of Baghdad.


.....just kidding. :beam:

Oh dear,

anyone seen an army wandering around?

There seems to be an unofficial Duke's conference over tea and scones in the salon...I wonder what is going on there me boys? :inquisitive:

Battle report up - it was a fun one.

:elephant: :elephant: :elephant: :elephant: :elephant: :elephant: :elephant: :elephant:

But it has a very sad ending... ~:mecry:

I'll take the save in about an hour and a half.

I love the battle report. "My Duke Arnolds!!!" Almost fell off of my chair laughing.

:2thumbsup:

OMG, ok, so 1.2 is almost on my computer (a 5400rpm drive does not help install times), and 1.3 is DL'd I might not be able to fight the battle till after class (3 aditional hours). I've got to get FH's patch working too. But it'll be done either way.

I've just posted up a co-op story with Privateerkev announcing religious re-unification in 1302:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=160

is this religious unification for the whole of europe is it it just a 'Roman' church because if it is for the whole of Europe then surely some other leaders shoul've been involved.

There's one Roman Catholic Church, so it is for the whole of Europe. It's a religious matter, not a temporal one, so the other European leaders would not be directly involved. Indirectly, they would probably oppose it, but the Pope is German and Germans dominate the College of Cardinals, so I think it is plausible that it went ahead.

The Russians are probably a different matter - we can say there is a Russian Orthodox church that splits from the Patriach of Constantinople. They can stay Orthodox.

In the mod that Factionheir proposed, the Byzantines will not recruit priests anymore and their populations will slowly switch to Catholic. We'll mod in some loyalty bonuses to their buildings to keep them loyal.

Just a note: Fritz is highly anti-Orthodox if that hasn't been made clear already ~:) He's also rather dark and sarcastic. He might make some comments which will likely be offensive to practicing Orthodox Christians.

I wonder if this is ok? I know it is forum rules not to broach the topic of religion obnoxiously, and I've enforced that as an AM, so I'm a bit sensitive to it.

ROFL. Classic battle report. :2thumbsup:

I admit a bit of jealousy... I've never had elephants on my side in M2TW.

In my SP games I always go on Crusade and set up an Outremer. And I park a general in either Baghdad or Jedda who's sole job is to hire "Oliphaunts". If you get 2 Elephants and 2 Elephant Artillery, you can set up an awesome double enfilade fire down the enemy line from both sides.

:2thumbsup:

As Econ showed, their also good for holding a weak flank pretty much all by themselves for a little while. Also you can park the regular elephants right behind your line and because they are so tall, they will fire down right on top of the engaged enemy. :yes:

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Originally Posted by Tamur

He might make some comments which will likely be offensive to practicing Orthodox Christians.

I wonder if this is ok? I know it is forum rules not to broach the topic of religion obnoxiously, and I've enforced that as an AM, so I'm a bit sensitive to it.

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The Org gives some artistic licence for stories in the Mead Hall and here. Personally, I still think we should keep this "Parental Guidance" - hence Elberhard's prolific @#$%^&!!!ing, rather than anything more explicit. But on religion, I think readers will see the context and realise it is in character, and not for real.

I sorta have a problem. I have a campaign on Stainless steal mod, that I have been playing for a while now, and I have no itention of giving it up, but it requires 1.2. Now this PBM requires 1.3. Is it possible to have an easier way, then unistallling, installing, uninsalling, installing, the patch?

You can load the 1.3 it will not affect your save games in the other mods your using.

Wht happens if I want to start a new campaign in the mod with the 1.3 already installed?

I am surprised that the HRE is the first to use Panzerphants.

Of course I am also surprised the usually parsimonious Prinz spent 3000 florins on them. I now understand why "financial constraints" led to limited building. :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by RoadKill

Wht happens if I want to start a new campaign in the mod with the 1.3 already installed?

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You should not have a problem. You need the 1.3 for kotr without it you will not be able to open a save. You should not have any issues with mods you want to play especially a new campaign. If there was an issue I am sure the creator of the mod would have something on his first page for their mod and advise if there would be an compatability problems.

ok, guys, small problem I fresh installed m2tw on my laptop(vista), went to 1.2, then 1.3 all without starting a game. I then started a game, played a turn or 3 (england) and saved the game as england1. I did this to create the saves folder, but I cannot find it. In fact I can't find any of the saves that I had saved. When I search the Sega folder there is no saves folder, In fact searching *.sav yeilds 1 result on the entire computer, KOTR-1302-2 which is expected. Anyone have vista and can tell me where to look?

I can still fight the battle, but it won't be done till like midnight eastern NA time.

p.s. upon further investigation, there is no saves folder in my RTW directory either, but I have at least 2 dozen saves in a brutii campaign on Mundas Magnas. *scratches head* I'm assuming that it's vista as on my XP desktop I've had no such troubles.

try showing hidden files

Very nice Econ :laugh4:

You can imagine the stories I've got concocted in my brain about when I receive those "Arnold jewels" in the post.

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Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921

try showing hidden files

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it would hide the entire folder?

meh, I'm on my desktop so it's moot, installing kingdoms now, it goes so much faster on a 10k rpm Raptor than a 5400 rpm laptop drive.

and I have the save.

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Originally Posted by Stuperman

it would hide the entire folder?

meh, I'm on my desktop so it's moot, installing kingdoms now, it goes so much faster on a 10k rpm Raptor than a 5400 rpm laptop drive.

and I have the save.

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ahhh yes that would be an accurate statement Stupes :beam:

http://img29.picoodle.com/img/img29/...tm_1c3d640.jpg

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1302-3.zip

Kicked ass

So based on OK's OOC in the Diet how do we handle the reports that are official and those that are not?

Well, huh, was the "Game Master's Message" to Ansehelm public IC knowledge or not? We don't have a report for the year yet, so I'm curious.

I'm also going with the assumption that we don't know where Peter is IC, though we can certainly find him when we load the save OOC. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think it's pretty realistic if Austrians spot him outside of Vienna

That's true. It would be kind of hard to conceal the passage of a large army.

And that's why I used it.

It's not as if a massive army could walk through Arnold's Dukedom and go unnoticed.

Plus 2 Austrian regiments then go and disappear from out under one of my governors nose. He then reports it to me...

...it's all fairly believable to me.

There might be some funky stuff clear in the savegame that people should not comment on IC because they would not know about - e.g. the location of Tancred.

Where they are quite likely to be aware, I will communicate with the relevant player(s) as a gamesmaster and ideally they should get back to me about what action, if any, they wish to take on the basis of this. For example, I told Ansehelm that one of his Household army's was AWOL as surely the Duke would be informed of that. The message was posted publicly as it would probably leak out. I also told Becker that two of his regiments in Prague had disappeared. That was more idiosyncratic info, so I PMd it. He has got back to me, wanting to conduct his own investigation into the army that passed by around the time he lost his men. I am going to reply to him saying what his spy has found out.

So in this specific case, so far, we have a missing Prussian army and a mysterious large German army moving south through Austria. No one knows yet for sure that they are one and the same, although Becker's investigations will no doubt uncover something.

I'll just stop looking at the save unless I have a battle. Ignorance is bliss. :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by OverKnight

I'll just stop looking at the save unless I have a battle. Ignorance is bliss. :laugh4:

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Hell I'm sitting in Shanghai and I don't even have the game and I can find out :laugh4:

It's going to be pretty hard to not look when I'm actually in front of my PC :beam:

It's not just that the Prussian Army is right outside Vienna, they're sitting on the road as well. You can see the little carts passing through Peter's feet. I can understand econ's wanting to keep it quite, but the army's not taking a very circumpsect route.

While I'm quite enjoying to Matt's transformation from circumspect Chancellor to anti-Unification fire brand, I just want reinforce the fact that it's IC.

So no hard feelings. . .~:grouphug:

Oh it's all good. Things are definitely getting interesting and fun. :yes:

Interesting how this catastrophe event is having the unintended effect of making battle lines in the Diet. If we survive this phase and the current generation lives till they're all 70, I'd be surprised if we don't see a civil war.

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Originally Posted by Tamur

Interesting how this catastrophe event is having the unintended effect of making battle lines in the Diet. If we survive this phase and the current generation lives till they're all 70, I'd be surprised if we don't see a civil war.

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making battle lines? A lot of these lines have been there for years. Jacking the tension up is just bringing some of them out more. :yes:

But OOC it's all ~:grouphug:

Actually, I hate all of you OOC. :shrug: Just sayin'...

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Originally Posted by Tamur

Interesting how this catastrophe event is having the unintended effect of making battle lines in the Diet. If we survive this phase and the current generation lives till they're all 70, I'd be surprised if we don't see a civil war.

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Maybe I am reading the Diet all wrong, but right now it looks like just me and Kev against the lot of you. I know a civil war would not be exactly fair, since we would still kick your asses, but just saying... :laugh4:

OK, report for 1302 is up. The next one will be no sooner than 48 hours, but hopefully not much later either.

I love not having all the political repercussions of being a duke again :)

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Originally Posted by econ21

Maybe I am reading the Diet all wrong, but right now it looks like just me and Kev against the lot of you. I know a civil war would not be exactly fair, since we would still kick your asses, but just saying... :laugh4:

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What people fail to realize is that King Jan has buried nuclear missiles in silos out in Outremer. Any civil war starts and the Reich is going to be glowing in the dark. :yes:

Yeah, the faction lines are definitely interesting if you study them. There are the two "obvious" loyalists (or lapdogs as people seem to prefer calling them :beam: ). The "anti-Kaiser's" are themselves pretty split on exactly how far to push and what to do. Then there are the fence-sitters who are waiting to see which side wins out. And there are those on both sides who have definitely picked a side but are working behind the scenes. And, last but not least, there are those who are simply apathetic to what is going on and could care less. :book:

Blast, I thought all that talk about teching up to nuclear reactors was just talk!

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Originally Posted by Tamur

Blast, I thought all that talk about teching up to nuclear reactors was just talk!

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It's basically our ace-in-the-hole. We're outnumbered in the Diet so I have installed 2 dozen intercontinental ballistic missles in the desert somewhere. The lakes of Germany will be full of three-eyed fish like in the Simpsons. :yes:


now if I can only remember the launch codes... :embarassed:

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

What people fail to realize is that King Jan has buried nuclear missiles in silos out in Outremer. Any civil war starts and the Reich is going to be glowing in the dark. :yes:

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Better check them again I think they are on carrier task force on their way to Austria. Some small souvenirs to take home.:laugh4:

Does the IAEA know of it? :laugh4:

It looks like things are going into motion. More battles would be great though.

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

More battles would be great though.

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All right, offensive battles for 1304:


Duke Hans (Factionheir):

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Brother, hunt down the rebel scum in front of you. If you could get your adopted son knighted, that would be a bonus.

Count Hummel (Ignoramus):

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We have danced around Paris with the French for long enough. Take SHA1 and smash all armies nearby. You are not to touch Count Scherer's militia army or any other force except SHA1. Scherer's militia must be left free to dash to the aid of Caen. Your primary objective is to clear a way to Caen that Scherer's men can take.

Count Becker (CecilXIX):

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You stand at the gates of Budapest. You have cannon. What are you waiting for?!

Duke Arnold (Overknight proxing for AussieGiant):

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A Polish army from Krakow has had the audacity to confront AHA2. Show them the error of their ways.

Count Fritz von Kastilien (Tamur):

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The desertion of the Prussian Household Army has left a gaping hole in our eastern border. We cannot afford to have your Saxon Household army tied up outside Hamburg. You must smash the Danish army that is pinning you there, so that you are free next turn to defend Stettin or anywhere else in Franconia that the Poles are spilling into.

King Jan von Hamburg (Privateerkev):

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Yet more Turks are approaching Edessa. They do not seem to have learnt their lesson. Destroy the one confronting you. After that, you have a choice. Either retire to cover Adana - you do have the Army of Outremer North, afterall - or push on east to challenge the other Turkish armies approaching. Army of Outremer South will take whatever option you choose not to.

People have 24 hours to fight the above battles. To avoid hold ups, don't claim the save unless you can fight the battle immediately. Here's the save:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1304.zip

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Originally Posted by Tamur

Interesting how this catastrophe event is having the unintended effect of making battle lines in the Diet. If we survive this phase and the current generation lives till they're all 70, I'd be surprised if we don't see a civil war.

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I actually think it's more likely that the catastrophe will re-unite the Reich behind a common purpose. Of course, I could be underestimating just how much we hate each other.

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Originally Posted by NorthNovas

Better check them again I think they are on carrier task force on their way to Austria. Some small souvenirs to take home.

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Doh!!!!

Well, if I can't remember the launch codes, then at least you won't know them either. :sweatdrop:

But on a more serious note, I am at school right now and will be all evening. I will be able to fight the battle tonight when I get home. 9pm US CT.

We'll briefly unite, and then resume the endless bickering over whose fault it was.

IMHO, it will really take a lot to get the Diet back together. You guys had better have something really good planned.

Right then, looks like I'm up.

Meh, just when I was about to take it. "What are you waiting for Cecil?!" :grin2:

We're on page 21 of the Diet, but it is getting so intense, I really can't bring myself to close it at the moment. Although, at the rate we are going, perhaps we will need it for a collective time out.

Battle fought. I post the stats in the Battle Report. Oh and Factionheir, I think it's time you changed your avatar. :beam:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/KOTR1304-1.zip

Actually I have one comment:
I said I wanted Ansehelm to quietly sit through this Catastrophe, so I'm not happy with you guys making him center of attention, I clearly disagreed with all this. Make Arnold center of attention, or Lothar, Tincow and Aussie voted yes in the poll. I didn't.


And I'm very pissed

No offense Stig, but the content of your Diet posts kind of defeat that purpose.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

No offense Stig, but the content of your Diet posts kind of defeat that purpose.

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Well yeah, people force me to be active because of all this, if I ignore Jan look what happens. While I said in advance that I want Ansehelm to sit in Magdeburg while you play your game.

Ansehelm is Duke though, and if people in your house are involved, its difficult to ignore the one who should be in charge.

Got save btw

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Originally Posted by Stig

While I said in advance that I want Ansehelm to sit in Magdeburg while you play your game.

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Ansehelm has been marching straight west ever since I took over. He can stop at Magdeburg if you want.

Sorry if you are pissed off, but in the draft plot that Ituradle, TinCow and I are working to, Ansehelm was never mentioned once. That you perceive him to be the centre of this is not what we planned.

If you really want to sit this out, I suggest that you make Fritz Steward of Franconia for the next 18 turns. There's no point continuing in this vein if it is just getting you angry OOC.

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Originally Posted by Stig

Well yeah, people force me to be active because of all this, if I ignore Jan look what happens. While I said in advance that I want Ansehelm to sit in Magdeburg while you play your game.

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Actually Jan was quite meek and supportive of Ansehelm during the Diet. He has only spoken up now because Ansehelm insists on blaming the Steward and Kaiser for Peter going missing. Check the old Diet pages and you'll see that Jan even defended Ansehelm against Dassel.

*edit*

I'm sorry if any of that interaction made you the center of attention when you didn't want it. I was just reacting and interacting with you IC. :embarassed:

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Ansehelm is Duke though, and if people in your house are involved, its difficult to ignore the one who should be in charge.

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I know, but if I think of something to affect the entire Reich, and someone says he would rather not be involved, I would make sure he can in no way be involved.

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If you really want to sit this out, I suggest that you make Fritz Steward of Franconia for the next 18 turns. There's no point continuing in this vein if it is just getting you angry OOC.

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I'm still here. I said I want Ansehelm to sit it out.

Just you guys make sure from now on not to blame Ansehelm (which Elberhard keeps on doing), as I said I don't want him involved in this, so don't involve him in it.

Battle fought and won. Mini report to follow.

Odds: 4:5
Result: Heroic Victory
Prisoners: N/A
Screens:

http://i23.tinypic.com/zmeikx.gif
http://i22.tinypic.com/14ukign.jpg
http://i23.tinypic.com/auxjdf.png

Hans gained: +1 Noctophilia, +1 GoodAttacker, +1 GoodCommander, +1 BattleDread. And finally rid of "the Mean". He's now "the Mauler" :grin2:

Link to save: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/KOTR1304-2.zip

Stig,

While OOC we know that Peter missing is because of our "plot", we don't know that IC. It is natural to blame the person we perceive to be responsible. Which in this case, is Peter's Duke. I don't want to stop interacting with you IC so we need to figure out how to go about this. When we blame Ansehelm, we are just playing a role. It's nothing to do with you and nothing against you. I know you the player have nothing to do with it. So please understand that if you continue to keep playing Peter's Duke, we are going to come to you with questions about Peter. It's only natural. Unless we work something else out. Maybe you and Econ can think of something and get back to us.

I know stuff is getting heated IC but I want to do my part to keep the OOC all ~:grouphug:

*edit*

Nevermind, I saw you just said you want Ansehelm to sit this out. Sorry for missing that. :embarassed:

I know it has been posted on the forums before, but I'm feeling lazy right now, so could anyone guide me step by step on how to actually see the screen shots?