Another Toe-Tappin' Republican

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

So, if I understand this thread correctly, it's all about people who've lived closted lives, dropping the pretense and coming out?

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If by "dropping the pretense and coming out" you mean making plea-bargain deals and going to prison, then yes.

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Originally Posted by me

By the way, Lemur, your characterization of the Republican party as categorically anti-gay seems a bit of an overstatement. Would you mind telling me where in the Republican party platform (which is what actually defines what it means to be a Republican) you or your pals from the DailyKos found patently anti-gay sentiments?

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Originally Posted by Lemur

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

By the way, Lemur, your characterization of the Republican party as categorically anti-gay seems a bit of an overstatement. Would you mind telling me where in the Republican party platform (which is what actually defines what it means to be a Republican) you or your pals from the DailyKos found patently anti-gay sentiments?

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Touchy, touchy, touchy. I already addressed this strawman several times when I was going rounds with Crazed Rabbit and Xiahou. If I didn't address it to your satisfaction, tough.

I love how both you and DevDave can't respond to this thread without trying to paint me as an extreme lefty who reads Mao and writes for DailyKos. Not only are Republicans not anti-homosexual, they're not addicted to character assassination either, eh?

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Originally Posted by Me

I think it's a bit of a stretch to paint the Republicans as pro-homosexual, or even neutral-homosexual. Anyone who has been following American politics for the last ten years will boggle at the assertion.

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Originally Posted by Me

I don't need to prove the Republican party's use of gay-baiting and anti-gay sentiment any more than I need to prove the direction of "up" or the wet qualities water. Anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear is aware of it.

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I'm not touchy, and I'm not upset. I'm just surprised by how low your tactics have gotten. Declaring all Republicans to be homophobes, and answering with

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Originally Posted by Lemur

I don't need to prove the Republican party's use of gay-baiting and anti-gay sentiment any more than I need to prove the direction of "up" or the wet qualities water. Anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear is aware of it.

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essentially "it is thus because I say thus", is frankly, beneath you. I've seen you make intelligent arguments defending positions and ideas you support that have been quite moving, even when I entered the discussion with a diametrically opposed viewpoint. This is not your best work. Not by a long shot. But if you feel better, patting yourself on the back while you merrily laugh at all those that disagree with you on tax policy or social security reform as a bunch of neanderthal bigots who live to gay-bash, then by all means, keep your little experiment here going.

I will be looking forward to when you return to some of your better discussions.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

I'm not touchy, and I'm not upset. I'm just surprised by how low your tactics have gotten. Declaring all Republicans to be homophobes, and answering with



essentially "it is thus because I say thus", is frankly, beneath you. I've seen you make intelligent arguments defending positions and ideas you support that have been quite moving, even when I entered the discussion with a diametrically opposed viewpoint. This is not your best work. Not by a long shot. But if you feel better, patting yourself on the back while you merrily laugh at all those that disagree with you on tax policy or social security reform as a bunch of neanderthal bigots who live to gay-bash, then by all means, keep your little experiment here going.

I will be looking forward to when you return to some of your better discussions.

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I am what some call a "homophobe". I tend to vote Republican.

BUT I am a registered conservative and am not "afraid" of gay people anymore than I am "afraid" of onions... so "Republican homophobia" doesn't really apply.

Plus, there are quite a few gay republicans. I don't view the Republican party as gay bashing as a characterization.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

I'm not touchy, and I'm not upset. I'm just surprised by how low your tactics have gotten. Declaring all Republicans to be homophobes, and answering with



essentially "it is thus because I say thus", is frankly, beneath you. I've seen you make intelligent arguments defending positions and ideas you support that have been quite moving, even when I entered the discussion with a diametrically opposed viewpoint. This is not your best work. Not by a long shot. But if you feel better, patting yourself on the back while you merrily laugh at all those that disagree with you on tax policy or social security reform as a bunch of neanderthal bigots who live to gay-bash, then by all means, keep your little experiment here going.

I will be looking forward to when you return to some of your better discussions.

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you're getting carried away with yourself here, don. this is a humor thread. it hardly castigates all republicans as homophobic homosexuals. it just points out a funny observation, stop taking it so hard.

the 'conservative christian' vein runs through the republican party in places. and we often see conservative christian pundits and politicians trumpeting 'family values', which often includes a stance against acceptance of homosexuality as healthy/worthy/moral.

that sometimes these same men turn out to be closeted homosexuals themselves, is ironically humorous to some of us. lemur can hardly be accused of partisanship here, since conservative christians tend to not be democrats.

how many democrats are closet cases that get unwillingly exposed after breaking some vice law or doing something embarrassing? i'm sure there are some, i just don't follow politics that much. however, even if there are as many examples of liberal closet cases doing something stupid as conservative ones, the liberal ethos doesn't have the conservative christian tradition running through it to make for all the lulz.

you don't need to get on a high horse and play up this persecution angle, claiming that lemur is painting all conservatives as cavemen or neanderthals or brutish troglodytes or .....

don, it's a humor thread.

simply put:
a)conservative christian politicians and pundits tend to be republicans.
b)some of them rally against the sin of homosexuality.
c)some of those same men turn out to be 'secret' homosexuals.
d)?????
e)profit!

To follow on Big John's post, here's an example of a publicly anti-gay fella getting busted for having sex with boys. And I don't even know if he's a Republican or not!

Anti-gay boy scout leader arrested for sex with kids.

Scout Leader in California Accused of Abuse

By CAROLYN MARSHALL
Published: December 7, 2007

SAN FRANCISCO, Dec. 6 — A scout leader who once sued the City of Berkeley for challenging a national Boy Scout ban on members who are gay or atheist has been arrested on felony charges that for at least five years he sexually abused young males in the troops he led.

Sgt. Mary Kusmiss of the Berkeley police said the scout leader, Eugene A. Evans, 64, a retired high school teacher and for 35 years leader of the Berkeley Sea Scouts, was arrested at his home in nearby Kensington on Tuesday after investigators identified four youths, ages 13 to 17, who said they had been sexually abused by him.

Sergeant Kusmiss said the police began an investigation after a boy and his mother came to them with accusations on Nov. 14.

Mr. Evans is scheduled to appear in Alameda County Superior Court on Friday to enter a plea on 19 felony counts of sexual assault.

Mr. Evans’s lawyer, Philip Schnayerson, said Thursday that “hundreds” of former scouts and friends had called to voice support.

“There have been no complaints of improper or criminal behavior in any of the communities he has lived in,” Mr. Schnayerson said of his client.

Mr. Evans sued the city in his role as a leader of the Sea Scouts, an affiliate program of the Boy Scouts. The city, after providing free berthing for a Sea Scouts boat for 60 years, said in 1998 that a Boy Scout policy barring gay scouts and atheists violated Berkeley’s rules against discrimination. The city said the Scouts would have to leave the berth or pay $500 a month rent.

Mr. Evans sued for discrimination and for violating the Scouts’ First Amendment rights. The California Supreme Court ruled in favor of Berkeley.

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As usual, Wonkette has all of the details and her usual saucy take on pedophiles. Example:

New law: If you enter a lawsuit against teh gayz, you’ve done some nasty, nasty :daisy: in your life:

The charges [against Evans] include oral copulation with a minor, engaging in substantial sexual acts with a minor, penetration with a foreign object, and showing or distributing lewd material to a minor. Evans is accused of having sexual relations with boys aboard the SSS Farallon, the 85-foot ship used for the Sea Scouts program. Investigators recovered pornography from the boat and from his Kensington home, Brown and police said.

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Originally Posted by Lemur

To follow on Big John's post, here's an example of a publicly anti-gay fella getting busted for having sex with boys. And I don't even know if he's a Republican or not!

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You know the old adage: "He whom so valiantly smelt it is one in thy same with he who Dealt it"... or something like that.

BTW nobody is "neutral". Lemur is pretty fair minded. Political positioning is relative, so everyone standing towards the middle is too far left or right for some.

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Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff

BTW nobody is "neutral". Lemur is pretty fair minded. Political positioning is relative, so everyone standing towards the middle is too far left or right for some.

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i try to stand on top of everyone else.

What evil person would suggest that Republican trade on anti-gay hysteria? Just because they're, you know, introducing a state constitutional amendment in Florida to prohibit gay people from marrying, even though gay marriage is already illegal in Florida. And the Federal Defense of Marriage Act already allows them to ignore any perverts from Massachusetts who want to live the rest of their lives with a single partner.

What Florida needs is a constitutional amendment. Right now. Why? According to Jesse Phillips of MetroLife Church:

My friend John Stemberger's efforts to save marriage is closing in on an important milestone. They are only 13,000 ballots away from the required 611,000+ needed to put a marriage ammendment (sic) on the ballot for the 2008 elections.

The amendment would change Florida's constitution to define marriage as a union between one man and one woman, so that marriage cannot be defined in ways that the Bible forbids, and so that marriages and families can be protected by state law.

If you are a Florida resident and have not signed a ballot, please go to www.Florida4Marriage.org and find out what you can do to help these last minute efforts to get the ballot past.

As the linked article states so aptly, "Anti-gay amendments are the Happy Meal toy of Republican politics."

Gee, Lemur, that wouldn't have anything to do with courts overturning the will of the legislature on a whim would it?

CR

And I'm sure it has nothing, nothing to do with turning out the anti-gay base on election day ...

I'm sure it has something to do with that, at least for the state GOP officials. I bet most of the hundreds of thousands of signatories don't have that in mind, though.

But your first link in that post, which practically accuses anyone who supports the amendment of wanting to kill homosexuals, is way off base.

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

I'm sure it has something to do with that, at least for the state GOP officials. I bet most of the hundreds of thousands of signatories don't have that in mind, though.

But your first link in that post, which practically accuses anyone who supports the amendment of wanting to kill homosexuals, is way off base.

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If you're not in favor of gay marriage, you're a homophobic bigot and if you're not in favor of illegal immigration, you hate latinos, if you're not in favor of socialized medicine for upper-middle class adults, you hate poor children. We've heard this song and dance many times before. :rolleyes:

nevermind

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

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I think you should chill a bit. Maybe post in DevDave's thread about global warming hypocrites or so, maybe you and Dave will come closer to eachother that thread will stay open. ~;)

I didn't really read this thread anymore as I'm now aware that hypocrites exist even in America, if Lemur feels like keeping it open and posting more, why not? Just let him, you could also contribute to Xiahou's thread about green hypocrites which I found quite interesting even though some entries were a bit shady IMO. I just don't think that Lemur being a mod or a leftie(well yeah, sorry Lemur but I got the impression that you're a leftie as well ~;) ) is all that keeps this thread here open, he just seems to do a lot of thread necromancy all the time which most threadstarters don't. :shrug:

Damn it, my last post ruled!!!:furious3:
Lemur, my toe's getting tired.:yes:

I think most of us outgrew the "you're such a homo" response to people we happened to disagree with long ago. Most of us managed to get it out of our system in our teens. Apparently not all of us did. What an apt testimony to the 'feel-good' arguments of leftist America. "You don't agree with me on gay marriage, so you're obviously a closeted homosexual".

You got us Lemur! You called us out! And you were right all along!!! All of us who don't see things your way, ... we're all kissing pickles and grabbing our ankles n' spreadin' em, every chance we get!

When I say "While I think homosexuals are entitled to the legal protections of state-marriage, I don't think they should have the right to force religious institutions to marry them and I think civil-unions make a perfect compromise in that sense", what I'm really thinking is "God, that guy I picked up at the park last night really gave my colon a drilling".

And when I say "I think it ought to be determined by the will of the people, as expressed by the legislature, not dictated by a small group of black-robed Platoists that have lost touch with the reality that the rest of America lives in", what I really mean is "Mmm.... can't wait to sneak out to a gay bar and get some more protein slurpees".

And when I say "what a childish, immature thread that is only allowed to continue because the person who's running it is a Lefty and a mod", what I really mean is "Boy, I hope DevDave will give me a second look one of these days, and I'll show him why they call me Hoover."

A brilliant post, Don, one for the ages. Your "when I say" and "what I really mean" device had me rolling on the floor. And I'm sorry I missed DevDave's magnum opus, heavy on the magnum. I'm sure it would have been a brilliant and offensive read.

Don, you and I are fairly close in terms of political positioning on this issue. Where we diverge is whether or not one believes that the Republican Party has traded on fear of teh gays for electoral gain.

I hate to repeat myself, but I have mod powers in the Hardware/Software forum only. If the blackguards who run the Backroom ask me to lay off this thread, I will in a minute. But putting on the robes does not forbid me from posting back here.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

"While I think homosexuals are entitled to the legal protections of state-marriage, I don't think they should have the right to force religious institutions to marry them and I think civil-unions make a perfect compromise in that sense"

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Do people actually disagree with that? :inquisitive:

I don't get the impression that Lemur, for one, feels that the Catholic Church ought to start blessing all marriages between mankind, pun-wise. A large number of Republican political circles (usually the ones focused on social conservatism) do tend to unfortunately portray gay marriage as the Downfall of Family, which I think is the point of this thread: making fun of that bigoted sentiment to its fullest. And more.

If you're a self-professed Republican who's a Republican because you prefer small government/capitalism/conservative judicial rulings/focus on US sovereignty/strong national security then it's really not your Republican we're having fun insulting here. But that other Republican where gays are from hell, Muslims are sub-human, Mexicans all need to die, and the government can be as big as it wants to be as long as the Children are safe.

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Originally Posted by AntiochusIII

If you're a self-professed Republican who's a Republican because you prefer small government/capitalism/conservative judicial rulings/focus on US sovereignty/strong national security then it's really not your Republican we're having fun insulting here. But that other Republican where gays are from hell, Muslims are sub-human, Mexicans all need to die, and the government can be as big as it wants to be as long as the Children are safe.

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That's mighty big of you. I can't begin to tell you how happy I am that my political views pass your approval. Really.

And in a similar vein, I'm going to start a thread laughing at how Democrats hate America and want the terrorists to win. And if you don't happen to be part of that particular group, I won't actually be laughing at and insulting your branch of the party.

Hmm, ok, Don posted what he just posted but he originally posted it before my post which was edited by Kukri for I don't know why(it doesn't look offensive to me and whoever can punch at others should be able to receive a punch in return or how you USers say it). Anyway just wanted to point out that my post was basically in response to what Kukri reposted and that everyone should read my wise words. That's it, thank you and I hope you learn from me. :dizzy2:

There was a discussion about thread-relevance; the issue was resolved, but not before you posted your brilliance, Husar-san. Sorry for the confusion - it was my fault for working too slowly, and clumsily.

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Originally Posted by KukriKhan

There was a discussion about thread-relevance; the issue was resolved, but not before you posted your brilliance, Husar-san. Sorry for the confusion - it was my fault for working too slowly, and clumsily.

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Thanks for the clarification, I shall proceed to be brilliant now. :clown:

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

And in a similar vein, I'm going to start a thread laughing at how Democrats hate America and want the terrorists to win. And if you don't happen to be part of that particular group, I won't actually be laughing at and insulting your branch of the party.

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Touche!

"Trading on fear"? Honestly, how ridiculous. When Republicans play to an issue that not just a majority of Republicans care about, but the majority of voters in the state regardless of party care about, they're "trading on fear". Thank God that the Democrats are above such shameless pandering. :rolleyes: Some might call it democracy in action when a party represents the views of voters- but for Lemur, it's trading on fear...at least when it's the GOP doing it.

Clickety-click.

~;p

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

That's mighty big of you. I can't begin to tell you how happy I am that my political views pass your approval. Really.

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Dripping with sarcasm as it is, I still have to thank you kindly. :2thumbsup:

Who knows? At thirty or so I might become a Republican myself. And by then I'll hope to be your type of Republican rather than that other type I despise to the core.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

And in a similar vein, I'm going to start a thread laughing at how Democrats hate America and want the terrorists to win. And if you don't happen to be part of that particular group, I won't actually be laughing at and insulting your branch of the party.

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Go ahead. If you can find as many lol-worthy material as the Lemur did here then I'll be laughing beside you just as eagerly. :beatnik:

Louis: That's just...psychedelic. ~:joker:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=1dYpnd_9TFs

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

~;)

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Clickety-click.

~;p

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:laugh4: Well played. :bow:

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Originally Posted by AntiochusIII

But that other Republican where gays are from hell, Muslims are sub-human, Mexicans all need to die, and the government can be as big as it wants to be as long as the Children are safe.

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There's room for debate here, no?