deguerra I was thinking of an Eastern shield or flag (Turk, Abbasid, Ayyubid, Golden Horde etc). Not sure yet on which one, do you have any ideas ? I'm going to think over it a little so as to give you something solid and artistic!
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deguerra I was thinking of an Eastern shield or flag (Turk, Abbasid, Ayyubid, Golden Horde etc). Not sure yet on which one, do you have any ideas ? I'm going to think over it a little so as to give you something solid and artistic!
Looks awesome deguerra, thanks a ton. Mind whittling it down to sig size?
its in sig size on the first page...just a sec...here:
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Yeah, just saw it. Oops.
no worries. I could have mentioned it :D
edit: sorry RoadKill I keep missing you. I have to resize it, here you go:
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I was thinking exactly the same thing, it would be brilliant to see all the different general's coats of arms next to their portraits in the Mausoleum :yes: . Thing is it will be a lot more work for Deguerra to make one for everyone, we're lucky to have him.Quote:
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well once again, I'm working as of today, but they don't really take long to make, so Im happy to take commissions for any character, dead or alive.
That being said I fully encourage establishing family arms, so dead members of the same family as an alive character may have the same arms. but Im also more than happy to make slight adjustemnts to them, or even completely new ones.
sinan, well the crescent seems to feature heavily in all eastern ones, but beyond that Im somewhat clueless. Although "going with the flow" of crescent arms is a bit boring anyway :D
econ21: doesnt that damn emperor want a coat yet? :P
Could von Salza have one?
I would love a picture of a city on it, and maybe some fire as well. Maybe also some small pictures of the French fleru-de leus (Those things Joan of d'Arc had) and something German.
enough of this humble asking :laugh4: i will gladly do anyones. will work on it now, check back here later warluster
I'm not double-posting merely showing warluster that theres something new. duh.
anyway, warluster, its a bit of an artistic interpretation of what you wanted but I found that burning wall image and thought it looked cool and kind of went from there. let me know what you think:
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edit: I also think the subshiled needs to be a smidgeon further down. will def. fix that
edit2: like so:
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Deguerra, this is great work. :bow:
For Elberhard, his coat of arms should be based on the Imperial shield.
There are three elements that you could use to mix it up a little:
(a) England - he has a royal marriage to an English princess
(b) Swabia - his lineage
(c) Elephants - he has a thing about them!
excellent. will get on it tomorrow after work :2thumbsup:
I wouldn't mind a CoA but the problem is that my sig is already stuffed to the max. So the only time I'd actually be using them would be in the house thread and in the mausoleum/library.
If that's fine with you, I'd like the following:
For Hans:
Split the shield in three parts rather than two. left upper, right upper, lower. Not a rectangular split but a triangular one (i.e. the bottom third would form a triangle with its apex at the dead center of the shield.
Left upper: Swabia
Right Upper: Imperial (with a crown on the imperial eagle as Hans is a direct descendent of heinrich)
Lower: Christianity (i.e. Crusades)
Actually, feel free to change the order to whichever looks more suitable.
The center will be a single shield that is divided in two halves. One half being a horse and the other being a scale with a sword lying next to it diagonally.
Please make sure the center shield does nto overlap any icon of the main shields. :grin:
Oh, and I suppose you can put a Ducal crown atop the shield. Btw, I think except for Dukes and the Emperor, no-one used to have a crown on their shields in medieval times, right? They at best had a helmet on there.
Ehrhart:
Shield with 2 halves:
- Swabia
- Imperial
Imperial eagle not wearing the crown but have a crown there somewhere. To show that he isn't directly related but adopted.
Center shield can be lance and sword. Again, try not to overlap please.
No crown on top of the shield but a knight helm instead.
Thanks
Hi Deguerra!
If you have time, and don't mind, I would like a coat of arms for Jan von Hamburg. Now, he is dead so please feel free to de-prioritize this request. This would just be to put in the Mausoleum with TC's permission.
I would like an Outremer shield as base with four sub-parts in the middle.
Top-left: a Crusader cross. Red cross on white background. Maybe a small number 2 and number 3 in this area signifying that Jan participated in the second and third Crusades.
Top-right: Imperial. Jan considered himself an Imperial administrator. In the corner of this part, please put a tiny all seeing eye that has a slash through it. This would signify his 32 year quest to stamp out the "Order" from Imperial politics.
Bottom-left: Edessa. This city was his first county and also holds sentimental value to Jan. In one corner should be a small Mongol shield with a slash through it. Next to it would be the number 3. This would signify Jan's participation in defeating the 3rd Mongol wave outside Edessa.
Bottom-right: Hamburg. Jan was a von Hamburg and his family came from this area. If you can find a von Hamburg CoA, use that for this section instead, otherwise, the Hamburg CoA will do.
I would like no hint of Franconia in this CoA at all. None. Zero. Zip. :beam:
I would like it topped off with a Crown that is smaller than the Duke/King crowns but bigger than the Count crowns. This is to show that Jan was King of Outremer for over 40 years but did not die as King since he resigned.
I do not mind if the CoA is "busy" and full of stuff. It fits Jan's personality anyways to have such a crowded CoA.
Thanks and please let me know if you have any questions. :2thumbsup:
How did I manage to miss this thread for so long ?
Excellent work you've been doing deguerra, hope you can find the time to do one for me - Tancred would owe you one, and he's a generous guy :beam:
Need to think something up though :2thumbsup:
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hey guys, had a long day at work so im not going to do anything tonight.
FactionHeir, you are somewhat correct. The coats of arms I am making are quite ahistorical. crowns and other design elements would only have been included in the greater arms, but that would have been much more elaborate than what im making. the lesser arms would almost always consist solely of the shield. i just thought the crowns gave a good indication of rank and so forth.
im not sure I have any helmets that fit with the sort of style of the crowns, but if I find one I will included it. but as I said, not tonight.
cheers
deguerra
Thanks for the Coat of Arms deguerra! Its awesome!
Maybe I could have it in sig size... please?:grin3:
well since you asked so nicely :D
yeh sure, I just wanted to confirm you were happy with it:
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edit: econ21, hows this:
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my only issue is the elephant, which is slightly out of place, and the lack of a crown
That looks good, Deguerra. I am not sure what the blue part represents - it looks rather French and we don't like the French over much. Sorry if I am missing something obvious. You are right the elephant may be out of place. It may be too silly an idea, although Elberhard is a bit of an idiot at times.
On possibility would be to stick a big crown on top of the shield - rather like Warluster's - but drop the blue part and the elephant. The smaller shield would then be half Swabian lions and half English lions.
heyhey,
the english coat of arms in the 1400s consisted half of the arms of normandy (the lions on red) and half of the french fleur de lys on blue. it represented englands claim to the french throne. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:E..._Arms_1405.svg granted, this may not really be relevant to our game, but i like the contrast. that being said the elephant could potentially go in that quarter.
another alternative is to put the elephant below the subshield below the eagle on the main shield. will play around with that.
the problem is that ie warluster's is a marquis' crown (which ive appropriated to mean counts crown) but in any case too low for the holy roman emperor :D
Hi, thanks for that! Now that I understand it, I am perfectly happy with the Coat of Arms.
If you could stick a big thumping crown on top of it, it will be better than perfect. Elberhard is not exactly subtle.
The wikipedia entry for Spanish heraldry has a nice King's crown:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_heraldry
May I please have one, kind sir?
Half HRE, Half Franconia, with a lion's head in the middle.
hmm, only if you let me add something for castile on there somewhere :P
Fritz absolutely needs one of these. I'll bow to your wisdom on the topic, but as guidance I think i'd like a wingless griffin rampant on the right and maybe this Kastilien reference on the left:
http://www.flaggenlexikon.de/fspanksm.htm
No crown. I'm guessing it's possible to incorporate a brief motto? Is that period appropriate?
:egypt:
oo yeah put some castile on it. take as many creative liberties as you want, i dont care - i just kinda whipped something up
hmm long day again, im afraid, so no crafting today. FH is next in line, so ive got one question:
theoretically the double headed IMPERIAL eagle was only used by the emperor. the heir (and descendants) would be more likely to symbolise the empire the the single headed GERMAN eagle, that ive used at least on one coat of arms already.
once again, Im not really fussed with these things, but perhaps the single headed eagle (crowned if you want) would be better?
Yeah, I was thinking of the single eagle. Double eagle is Germany/Austria afaik.
ok here is my first attempt, and last for today:
the only thing I could not oblige was the subshield not obstructing any other elements. that means moving them too far to the size and resizing them, and it makes the whole thing look out of place and stupid. if you really want it, i'll do it, but trust me it looks much better this way:
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still looking for a good crown econ21, the one you sent me is good, but too small (image wise) so im trying to find a better version. tomorrow perhaps.
edit: FH regarding the eagles: youre kind of correct. the double headed eagle is KIND of for germany AND austria because it stood for the empire, which incorporated both. the double-headedness, AFAIK is to represent the emperors secular and religious power. because the austrians became hereditary emperors, the double headed eagle was then symbol of the habsburg monarchy until that died after ww1. the single headed eagle has always been a symbol of germany.
Yeah, I remember as much from my history lessons many many years ago. Really confusing too. Might actually read something about this during my lunchbreak today.
Regarding the shield, it looks great so far. I think if you increased the shield's size overall somewhat (its smaller than other shields currently I think) and decreased the crown size, the center shield should obstruct less of the other elements hopefully.
As for the elements themselves, I very much like the way it looks. I would suggest mirroring the horse to face the right and maybe make th sword less glossy. I'm not sure whether its appropriate or not, but the crown on the eagle looks a bit too tall and thin, figure you could broaden it a bit and shorten it? Crusader cross looks fine although the color change is a bit drastic maybe. Maybe you can even make the scale's background and the crusader cross' background the same color?
Really apprecaite your effort so far!
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Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Germany
hows this:
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edit: good find! got to love wikipedia :D
Much better. I like how it looks now.
Only resizing the shield to be larger and the crown on top smaller should allow for less overlap by the central shield.
it IS currently the same as everyone else's. TBH I'm not sure if resizing the whole shield:crown ratio will work with my standard template, but I'll give it a try tomorrow.
good night all
edit: I swear to god its an addiction. econ21, what crown do you prefer:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...al_cerrada.svg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...oyal_Crown.svg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...n_of_Italy.svg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...nne_royale.svg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...es_V_Crown.svg
I like the Crown of Italy:Quote:
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http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...n_of_Italy.svg
It may even be fitting, given the whole "King of the Romans" business. :bow:
excellent and good point:
Eberhardt I, dei gratia Romanorum imperator selectus semper augustus
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edit: I was thinking the French part could also represent that Eberhardt has a claim to the French throne. I suppose that makes the english one kind of dangerous, although seeing as he married an english princess, i guess he does have a claim to that throne as well, just not as the first in line
You are getting better and better at this ! Each one is better than the last. Good job !
Don't forget me, I'll pop you a request after you're done with this PBM, don't want to break your flow. Cheers ! ;)
FH: the resizing thing will take time, so Im going to have to move on for now. If you really want it, I will do it, but I still think it will end up looking very silly.
Here is one for Erhardt, sorry, subshield is overlapping again, it simply doesnt really work otherwise.
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Will now move on to Privateerkevs Jan (might do an Alfgarda as well, I liked her :D)
Aww, thanks! :bow:Quote:
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I'm glad you liked her. She was fun to play. It can be refreshing to play a firespitter who can't really suffer politically. As for a CoA, I assumed she wouldn't get one because she was female, but if you insist, then it would be much like Jan's.
Same base and same four parts of the sub-shield but without the extra stuff Jan had. Something with motherhood instead. Plus a feminine crown since she was Queen of Outremer.
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I like that shield. Quite perfect although could you make the lance a bit thicker? At first sight it looked like another sword ~:)
Helm on top is suitable, although a wreath (or decoration for it) would be very much appreciated!
yeh I was having trouble with the lance. It needs to be just perfect, will try to make it so. Wreath will be added as soon as I find a good one. Would some sort of little corwn do as well? I have a nice barons one, which might look good on top of that helmet? Its just a circulet, rather than a real crown?
Yeah, sure. I am way too perfectionist anyway ~:)
hmm, not sure the lance isn't too thick now:
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Privateerkev, what do you think of this:
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Is that for Jan or Alfgarda?
I like it by the way. :D
that one is for Jan. Women often had a diamond shaped coat of arms, and it would probably include less of the crusader stuff? Would you like me to do that?
edit: OOPS I forgot all of your numbers. my bad. will fix that now :D
edit: and the mongol shield. and the all seeing eye...i really need to laern to read :D
I dig, the CoA for Jan. I see that size would limit putting in all the little stuff I brought up so this is fine.
As for Alfgarda, I thought it was cool of you to offer but I don't know where I'd put it. Probably just in your front page to this thread. She wasn't an avatar so she wouldn't have a spot in the library. And I retired her so it wouldn't be in my sig.
So, doing one for her is up to you. I would just have it in your front page to this thread. But if you did one, what you suggested sounds cool. :2thumbsup:
Thanks again for doing this stuff. :bow:
well the numbers are def. going in. they look neat. will see how the rest goes
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yeh is this all right? The rest of the stuff would be quite small, and it will take me a while to do it all. If you really want it in, I have no problem with that, but it may have to wait a while:
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I like it!
If you don't mind doing the other stuff, I don't mind waiting. Jan is dead so put this at the bottom of your pile. I think the active avatars should get taken care of first. :yes:
Thanks again! :beam:
Hello, deguerra. I pmed you but I thought it would be good to put this here as well, where it's easier to get to.
For Andreas von Salzgitter, I was thinking this main shield, but in yellow and black to match Swabia's colors.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...yviller_54.svg
However, for the subshield I was thinking this one from His hometown, Salzgitter.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Co...Salzgitter.svg
Thank you, all of the work you've done looks great! :yes:
Zim, wait your turn you impatient bugger
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gibsonsg91921 what do you think of this for peter:
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if peter would rather not have a crown (he doesnt seem to like symbols of authority) I can change that
edit: ok i have tancred of tyrolia and then Zims new character still to do? amybody else?
Sinan, I have not forgotten you, sorry if I don't always reply, but feel free to post what youd like here or PM me anytime :thumbsup:
edit2: Fritz, I forgot Fritz!
now I don't know if Tancred is a count, Duch_guy, and if so I don't know of what place. For know ive given him a counts crown, but his subshield is simply tirolian:
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Hi deguerra,
A question...do you think you could make Arnold's a little more "dready"?
Low priority as the current one is great...he's just got 10 dread so seeing his banner on the field has people recollect Hades and other such imagery...at least for the bad guy's :2thumbsup:
Thanks deguerra, looks fine now. Yep, lance might be a bit too thick as you said. Maybe an average between the two?
Thanks
most definetely, on one condition: tell me how :laugh4: I must admit im somewhat stumped on the issue, but if you can think of something, I can most likely incorporate it :D
hows this for Fritz, Ramses II CP?
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the griffin isn't rampant, I know, but that is actually the coat of arms of stettin, which I figured was too good a coincidence to miss.if you tell me a motto, I can probably make a banner underneath. No FABRICATI DIEM PVNC now...:P
edit: Zim hows this: the only thing I changed is added more lions to make the swabia thing more obvious. let me know if youd like them gone:
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i must admit i think it looks pretty damn cool. nice find!
:jawdrop: That is surely one of the coolest things I've ever seen. Only thing is, at the moment at least, I'm not a count. :shame: If things improve for the better in Outremer, I may well become one, but for now no crown for me. ~:(
The only thing left is to see if it survives resizing and manages to keep its level of coolness. :2thumbsup:
Could you resize it to something siggable? I'm off to the pub with a friend right now, but I should be back in an hour or so. I'll put it right in my sig then. :yes:
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count shmount...just plain like that the one of that silly king of yours then :D. fine with me. will do that and resize, check this spot soonish.
I believe, other than Sinan, that is everyone for the moment. I am still working on Jans, and possibly one for Alfgarda, and I havent heard from quite a few people, but I think that is it for now, yes?
edit: done and done:
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Can't wait to see it. Feel free to make any adjustments needed to make it look ok Sig size. If it's hard to pick out the black lions from the black cross once it's shrunk down, maybe make the cross thinner, or change its color?
Hi deguerra,
Did you see my request for a little more "dread aspect" for Arnold?
Cheers
AG
oo i dig i dig.
idk how possible this is, but could you ditch the crown and put crossed swords in the back of the shield?
I like it, but seeing as Stettin had to be abandoned I think Fritz might feel a bit odd about it. Then again this isn't the sort of thing he'd have redrawn because Stettin fell, is it? If so, perhaps a red lance angling from the center outward on the subshield instead of Stettin's crest, a sort of promise.
As a motto, something obvious. I know zilch for German, but a freebie translator gave me this:
Sie sollen nicht gehen (They shall not pass)
Or, slightly shorter:
Niemand soll gehen (None shall pass)
Or, shorter, cheesy-ish, and more cryptic:
Aus vielen, ein (Out of many, one; aka E Pluribus Unum)
:egypt:
The resized shield looks great, deguerra! Thanks! :2thumbsup:
Aussie_giant this was my reply:
Ramses, the german is atrocious, but I can help with that. although frankly a latin motto would be more likely, so whats it to be? will work on the shieldQuote:
most definetely, on one condition: tell me how I must admit im somewhat stumped on the issue, but if you can think of something, I can most likely incorporate it :D
edit: gibsons91921 (i always miss someone, somehow) the swords on the subshield, yeh?
umm, put big swords behind the whole thing. scrap the crown too - i dont want to be the political presumptive titles guy ever since jan challenged me not too.
it will be like a shield plus the swords behind, optimally. i understand that wouldn't fit on a shield in battle, but the crown wouldn't either. if thats trickier than it sounds, what i have now is fine.
ah I get it. No, shouldnt be a problem
deguerra,
sorry I missed your reply.
Maybe something more aggressive using more black and red with just a dash of white.
He wears Night Black Obsidian Armour with a Blood Red Eagle inscribed into it on the chest plate...(well at least that's the visual I have, that could also be this Griffon thing you have put in the shield).
Something "vampire like" might just do the trick also...he uses that method to keep the Hungarian's in line...
that and lining their heads on pikes for a few hundred miles seems to have worked up until the Crisis.
One standard Hapsburg coat of arms, please.
ok Aussie_Giant, I kinda went nuts ...let me know what you think. christian characters may kill you on sight...I dunno if the dread factor is increased that much:
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ignoramus, just the habsburgs, nothing else, no house, no crown, nothing?
Mate you've got some outrageous skills...Quote:
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The bat doesn't look right so that can be removed, but the fully black shield with those inscriptions behind are looking nice. What are they?
He's not the anti-Christ, so it can't be devil worship...although it seems some of you think I’m some Dark Lord of the Underworld that eats babies and slaughters innocents....it's all propaganda
I'm going to check out some stuff on Wiki and get back to you.
the bat is intentionally crooked, or at least came like that off gogole search. i can recrify it if youd like that or remove it.
one symbols is the pentagram...that is what the pious knights will most likely kill you for. it can be a symbol of devil worship, but has so many other meanigns you could probably stand a chance in that heresy trial :P
the last is the "tripple goddess" symbol made up of three crescents, which i just stumbled upon on wikipedia and decided looked nicely evil.
so non-crooked bat or no bat?
Gosh it's like working with one of my creative managers...
thanks deguerra!!
Ok so lets lose the bat.
Change the griffon to a menacing dragon...the pentagram should really go. The reason I say dragon is that I've been reading about the "Order of the Dragon" which not surprisingly involved the HRE, Austria, Ottoman's and other Baltic areas.
If signs are on the shield they need to really "hint" at something rather than slap everyone in the face. :beam:
An elector's crown, but no house. After all, the Hapsburgs coat of arms basically became the Austrian ones.
Just to say, thanks deguerra! I have got the crown up and running as my sig. Thanks a bundle. :2thumbsup:
:D good work, that crown really does look ridiculously big :laugh4: and I love it.
Sorry I didnt resize it for you, I wasn't sure you were 100% happy with it yet. Just in case I forget for other people, all I do is shrink it to 10% of its original size, and save it as a .GIF. Then upload to imageshack in thumbnail size, and tell it to remove the borders (you can do so when uploading). But Im more than happy to do it for anyone, just let me know.
Latin would be fine as well, but I'm thinking this is the kind of thing Fritz can bellow out before a battle. He's not going to be shouting it in Latin, that's for sure. :laugh4:
:egypt:
Deguerra, as soon as I get my RG, I would like you to make som arms for him..
hey all, sorry Ive been so absent, but Im working over my uni holidays so Im basically not home much during the week. I'd hoped to get most people their CoA by the Diet, I am not sure if that will work out. I have nothing on this weekend, and plenty of time as far as I can see, so I should be able to get a lot done then.
It would be a greaet help if anyone who is unhappy with theirs, or who wants a new one, or who hasn't got one yet and wants one, makes another quick post detailing what exactly they still want different/what they want it to look like if its new. I know its not always easy to tell what looks good, and Im happy to still make amendments for as long as you like, and Im also happy to make up completely new ones if people have no ideas, but just in terms of getting things done quickly this would be a big help.
I just think'd it'd be neat if I had them up and running ASAP.
Thanks,
Dennis (oh yes, hi, I'm Dennis btw. yes a german called Dennis, long story really but aren't you glad it's easy to pronounce, oh wait you don't really need to pronounce it, but if you did it would be easier than some of the names we Germans come up with)
*start gripe*
Need a resize (make smaller) of Hans' ducal crown and make his shield slightly larger overall. Or actually, do the thing with the crown first. That might change a lot.
For Ruppel's coa, an intermediate width between the 2 lances you posted would be fine. Helmet can be somewhat smaller (and less tall) and get some decoration, in terms of leaves (Kränze, Lorbeeren) and maybe no crown on top.
Thanks
Dennis, much easier to greet then Ludwig von Böhmen.:eyebrows:Quote:
Originally Posted by deguerra
I have to say again great work!:2thumbsup:
Hey deguerra, again great work. :2thumbsup:
The url link I use for my sig picture appears to be broken, I'm getting a dreaded red x.
Would you mind reposting the black and gold Crusader Shield? The large format is fine because I'm going to save a copy and resize for my sig and use a large one for the Outremer Thread.
Thanks!
hey guys im finally alive again.
FH, ive made the crown much smaller on this one for Hans, but left it at roughly the same width as that shouldnt matter to making the shield larger. what do you think?
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I assume youve worked your problem out OK? I certainly didnt remove any files from imageshack