Hi All,
I'm going to end our Offensive season this afternoon and begin our defense this evening.
The parking lot around Milan would be nice to clear of at least the Greeks.
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Hi All,
I'm going to end our Offensive season this afternoon and begin our defense this evening.
The parking lot around Milan would be nice to clear of at least the Greeks.
Hugo de Cervole
I would rather remain tribune to the Legion der Krone than go north to Swabia at this time... unless you see it as truly necessary to the interests of Swabia...
[edit] OOps, wrong thread...
Put that in the Diet thread then I'll get back to you :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tristan de Castelreng
In fact unless taking the save or posting orders the it's best to be in the Diet rather than the Orders thread. Discussing strategy is going to just make the reports spread out over pages.
FH,
I couldn't believe it either.
The movie came up and it was the same as the unsuccessful Breslau one for me, I thought, ok cool here is the successful version of this movie...
then I just shook my head in bewilderment as he got stabbed to death in the cart AGAIN.
I could find you a hot date for the rest of your life GH!!
Your mother will be proud of you!!!
God, get em bowy!!
I didn't realise how much I've gotten into this game...
and bloody hell you better hope the reinforcements turn up. They didn't when I took a look. It went badly...I should have retreated...you both died and the army was destroyed.
That was the craziest battle I have ever fought in my Total War career. Without a doubt.
Reinforcements showed up... both major armies. Thank God, too, because we needed 'em. I'm still not sure how we won, because I missed about 2/3 of the battle focusing on my part.
Warmaster Horus, I'm so sorry, we lost Karolinger. I didn't even know it happened until after the battle. I know how it feels to lose a character when it's under somebody else's control.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
I'm going to refight the battle later and try to take some appropriate screenshots to do this thing justice, but for now I need to rest. Again, really really sorry WH.
It's no problem. At least I/he served a purpose...
I can understand how that kind of thing happens. I'll wait for the battle report.
Does that mean I get to flame GH in the diet for once? :grin:
Hi All,
No defensive battles. That concludes 1354.
I'm going to try and do my report in one big or two total posts this turn.
Any thoughts on how to split it up?
While I would prefer to discuss strategy in the Diet and House threads, I don't think that's the correct interpretation of the Orders Thread. You're basically saing that we can't discuss orders (which is what strategy is) in the orders thread. The Orders thread seems a little schizophrenic since the name change, I would prefer if it's newer functions were transfered to the Diet thread and it returned to being the 'Chancellor and Govenor Reports' thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by AussieGiant
You're right cecil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecil XIX
It does seem to be the place to discuss stuff. Let see what Econ says.
If it is reports only then we would go back to the Diet and House threads, which seem to need it right now.
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Taking a little look at 1356...the plague is abating. We have a plague death though. 1356 will be up tomorrow night for offensive or maybe Tuesday.
Stay tuned. :-)
Argh, the Danes didn't advance? If those two armies get together all I can do is retreat, which hardly seems in character.
:egypt:
Ahh, taking a look at the save I think the exposed militia spearmen are giving the AI pathing problems by being too close to the crossing. I'd wanted them due south of the forest (Directly 'below' Fritz). AFAIK the AI cannot attack if you're right next to the green arrow, which is a bit of a 'gamey' way to defend the island.
If it's already a done deal then :shrug:, but if that extra militia company could be slid back a step I'll wager on them crossing.
edit: Mm, while I'm here if you make any changes you could combine the tiny 6 man company of merc crossbows into the 84 man one too.
:egypt:
Just as a heads up guys, I will be gone for about 3 weeks in a week. I am going houseboating from next monday til friday. I will be there for the weekend and am them going to visit family in Germany for 2 weeks. (Yes, I am copy+pasting this paragraph)
We are taking a while to get through turns so I probably won't miss too much. In the event that Bruges is sieged and I am on reserve duty, is there any way of not loosing to auto-calc?
cheers
Egad, Milan is turning into a meat grinder, the Stalingrad of Italy. We're coming out slightly better, but at a cost.
Those super stacks are jacking up the lethality of the game, because we have to rely more on the AI, as reinforcements, to actually have a chance in the open field.
I think that situation would qualifying you to name a designated hitter to to fight your battles till you return to active duty.Quote:
Originally Posted by deguerra
Goodness, this PBM is getting lethal. GH that may be the biggest battle we have ever fought (and probably the bloodiest for us) - I am looking forward to the battle report. Warmaster Horus - have a think about your next avatar. IIRC, there are a few other young Steffens on the way.
Cecil and AG - personally, I would like us to continue to use the Orders thread to discuss orders. The more decentralised system post-cataclysm means that there is inevitably some to and fro. They are largely bilateral exchanges between Chancellor and individual generals, so they don't fit so well in the Diet (most Electors are not involved in the discussion) or the House threads (Chancellor is not in each House). There's no particular reason to worry about the Orders thread getting long - we can just lock it at 20 pages and start a new one. The mix of IC and OOC in the Orders thread is uneasy - it would be good to switch to IC completely, but let's see how it develops.
deguerra - being besieged is the one time where the autocalc is absolutely unforgiving. I am trying to avoid any future proxying, as coping with lack of player availability is adding some welcome tension to the game. :sweatdrop: I think the best solution would be to give Count Bohmen a well earned rest and coordinate with Chancellor so that he is pulled him back to the inner Reich for the time you are away. I've floated the idea of generals getting some leave before and it would seem that when players take their own leave, it would be best for their avatars to do likewise. Otherwise, if Count Bohmen stays in Bruges, you would be just taking your chances that either the autocalc would be lucky or that we could relieve him in time.
One of us or just an agent?Quote:
Originally Posted by AussieGiant
Fair enough. Is von Luxembourg still heading North. If that were the case he could take my place there. What is the current situation regarding French armies in the North?
If the "player leave" idea does turn into a reality, I request that, when moving avatars away from and back to the front, we use the console to grant them more movement points so that they can get to where they need to be instantly.
- First of all, from an IC perspective, these characters' movements are not military; they're just guys going home. I liken it to how all of the characters leave for the Diet sessions with little effect in the actual game.
- Secondly, it's not fair to the players if too much time is taken up. If you're on the Austrian Front and want to retreat to a safe place, say, Nuremburg, it'll take quite a few turns to get there and back. If you're only going on a short leave, by the time you're ready to get back to the game your character might just be getting to his safehouse and it will take an inordinate amount of time to bring him back.
Battle report coming along nicely. Of course, I haven't actually refought it yet... :sweatdrop:
I would be in favour of that and would make sense. Just recently covering for AG and my avatar heads for Ragusa by the time AG returns I was no longer needed and in limbo a few game turns to get back to where I wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I see no harm if we use this practice of reserve duty to the interior if it is for a length of time and have the Chancellor make that console movements.
Good idea:idea2:
I am reluctant to have us start fiddling with the console (at least where it benefits us rather than the AI). It opens a can of worms that is much easier to keep shut if we stick to what is possible in game without cheats.
Going to an interior city is one way of keeping an avatar on reserve duty safe. Right now, we are unusual in that we don't have many (any?) safe interior cities.
Another way would be to make them the second general in a stack IF the commanding general could keep them safe rather than use them as shock troops (currently our "tribunes" seem to be falling like flies).
With deguera's case, I am sure the Chancellor and he can work things out given appropriate coordination. For example, moving to Antwerp would remove Bohmen from some danger, as would making him second general in Luxemburg's force. I agree going all the way to Nuremburg would be excessive.
I take it you are heading North then. :D I am quite fine with the second solution. IC, I'd prefer it if Ludwig remained in Bruges, and giving the already accomplished Welf some more fighting experience would seem like a passable IC notion.
Hi All,
The plague death was a character but in a place where we will see no difference at all :whip:
As the fronts work themselves out I can certainly organise a second level Duchy based holding area. Not too far from the front and far enough away from the action to be workable without using the console.
Plus, stacking avatars allows for the person to remain on the front and have the other active avatar do the fighting...of course we can manage the situation so that active avatar gets the experience.
Milan IS Stalingrad, I've never seen anything like that and we are only about half way through, there are the two French stacks next.
deguerra,
We are going to have to work out something fast. You're isolated and that is the problem.
Just want everyone to know I'm keeping track of things. It's just with the whole plethora of choices (stay on bridge or...stay on bridge) I've been a bit sparse with the orders. :sweatdrop:
TinCow, you put the wrong guy in the Mausoleum. We lost Karolinger (WH), not Erlach (Stuperman).
:laugh4:
So do we have to unearth Stuperman from the Mausoleum now?
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Originally Posted by OverKnight
The question is: Are we the Russians... or the Germans?Quote:
Originally Posted by AussieGiant
That question only matters if we make it out of Stalingrad. 'Dead' isn't a nationality. :skull:
:egypt:
That remain to be seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
It's only about a few hours before I post up 1356.
It was a season of sieges by the way. The two French stacks went and besieged more of our cities and a few other countries did also. There were four sieges started this turn.
Ramses, I'll move that little regiment to allow the Danes to come over...god knows why, but you're correct...I don't want to take advantage of any bugs.
Oops. Fixing my error now. Please pretend like it didn't happen for IC purposes.
That's what I was going to say. The save will be up and the first part of the Chancellors report tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Then we can all have a nice old chin wag about it.
Ok chaps the start of 1356 is up.
Take a look. I'll be watching the Giants game tonight on replay so I will be back and forth all evening to check your responses.
Please keep in mind I do not know the score so don't give it away until I let you know I've finished watching it.
Please, pretty please.
It was a good game AG, that's all I'll say.
You mean you'll slide him back and set the ambush for 1356? Unfortunately the two Danish armies have now come together, and I have serious doubts about my ability to hold them both with a bunch of militia spearmen. Actually I have no idea what happens after an ambush on the AI and the approach of a second army. Is it a re-ambush, or (As with the AI's ambushes) is my army exposed and subject to regular attack and retreat rules?
Anyway, I don't see Fritz sneaking into an ambush spot and retreating from it either, so, I guess that'll be the plan. Wish me luck. :laugh4:
I'll post a ss and more formal orders in the O&R thread.
:egypt:
I'm still a bit unsure where Welf von Luxembourg currently is, and what his plan are. If he is indeed heading North, just stack me and the Bruges militia (apparently we are now a Household Army) with him. If nobody is heading North, then perhaps just put me into Antwerp for the moment, and hope that I'm back in time to relieve any potential sieges on Bruges.Quote:
Originally Posted by AussieGiant
WE WON!!!
OMG!!!!
I can't believe this team is going to the Superbowl!!!
Ramses I see what you mean.
deguerra,
Welf is near Staufen and no where near you.
Bloody Young-uns :D
Right. As I said, just put me into Antwerp for now then. Keep the Bruges garrison in Bruges.
%@#$@! I made the mistake too. I always mixed those two up. Will ammend the post keep moving nothing to see here.:bobby:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I wasn't going to say anything till I had your confirmation. :balloon2:Quote:
Originally Posted by AussieGiant
Warmaster Horus and FLYdude - commiserations on your losses.
But do you believe in reincarnation? If so, we have two Steffen boys aged 15 about to come of age, plus a 14 year old Becker and some other chaps in the pipeline.
I'd prefer it if you took one of the youngsters on the family tree that are about to mature rather than a recruitable although the latter is possible if you want one for role-playing or other reasons.
Does anybody anticipate putting up a battle report within the next twenty-four hours?
I'd rather not put up a placeholder, but keeping the three parts together is even more important.
It's best to put up a placeholder - there isn't really a downside. Excellent job so far, BTW. :bow: And I know what you mean about no time to take screenshots - my first battle with the Mongols was like that. I think I only wrote one word of notes throughout the battle - "hell".
There is indeed a downside because if a person reads the thread when the placeholder is up the thread will still be marked as read when the actual battle is posted, or if another post has been made after the placeholder it clicking 'go to next unread post' will end up skipping the battle. Then you have to make an announcement in the OOC thread to make sure everybody knows.
Just making an OOC announcement in this thread with links to the report then. It will also be easier for us people with limited computer resources to view the reports post by post than for it to load up the entire page of the Battle Report thread.
If people don't want to load the entire battle thread, individual battle posts are linked in the history. You spend less time waiting for the pics to load.
Alternatively, writers, as a courtesy, could post links to their battle in the OOC thread once they're done, whether there was a placeholder or not.
Edit: These super stacks remind me of the Mongols, elite troops that don't break. Our approach has been similar as well, gang up on them or seek choke points.
On reserve duty now. Should be able to check on the forum daily except for weekends however.
Yikes. Between deaths and reserve players, we're actually getting a bit thin on the ground in KOTR.
I'll be taking the next Steffen to come of age. I believe that's in 4-5 years...?
EDIT: of course, I should have read the thread first. Didn't see your post econ21, so, yeah, I'll take one of 'em.
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Originally Posted by TinCow
:furious3: :wall: :whip: :dizzy2: :idea2: :inquisitive: :laugh4: :2thumbsup:
That's the linear emotional path I follow each time I look at the screen.
AND DAMN IT, I KNEW I HAD AN UNEASY FEELING ABOUT STACKS WITHOUT AVATARS!!
How do we know when an avatarless army stack is cured of the plague?
Anyone...? It just occured to me that we don't, and the only way to find out is to stick it in a city or castle or attach a avatar to it and see what happens.
:thumbsdown:
The announcements at the start of the turn regarding the plague tell you the names of infected captains, though I don't know the full mechanics of the matter.
:egypt:
Ok that's starting to make sense. I hope that works...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramses II CP
Apologies for the late update on Lukas Godwinson. I hope the recent "new post" icon in the Mausoleum didn't panic anyone.
It is worth noting that of the 37 deaths recorded in the Mausoleum, only 12 have been from old age. KOTR is definitely far more lethal than WOTS ever was. WOTS only had 10 deaths total, including one agent, and only 7 of which were 'unusual.' Even though the two games went on for about the same number of turns, that 7 compares to 25 for KOTR.
Tincow, would you happen to know if we had more non natural deaths during the cataclysm or after? It seems like we're catching up in the immediate post-Cataclysm period. :sweatdrop:
Deaths in the first phase of the cataclysm (1300-1320):Quote:
Originally Posted by Zim
Arnold Scherer (never assigned) - In battle
Friedrich Scherer - In battle, but intentional
Siegfried von Kastilien - Scripted
Deaths in the second phase of the cataclysm (1320-1340)
Ansehelm von Kastilien - In battle, but intentional
Dietrich von Dassel - In battle
Hans - In battle
Jan von Hamburg - In battle
Jan von der Pfalz - In battle
Wolfgang Hummel - In battle
Deaths in the Post-Cataclysm phase (1340-Present)
Elberhard - In battle
Karl Zirn - Old Age
Lorenz Zirn - In battle
Dieter von Essen - In battle
Friedrich Karolinger - In battle
Lukas Godwinson - Plague
So, the first phase of the cataclysm did not have any involuntary deaths of a player's avatar, since both player controlled deaths were intentional by their owners. The second phase of the cataclysm had 5 involuntary deaths of a player, which is the same as the post-cataclysm period, if Karl Zirn is excluded. So, yes, this Chancellorship has been just as lethal as the Cataclysm itself. Given the nature of the spawned stacks and the lack of a "Hand of God" to spontaneously generate troops or teleport people out of danger, this is not surprising to me.
The difference, though, is that post-cataclysm we are being killed by the AI rather than by each other. :duel:
I think the AI is more lethal now partly because of the absence of the catalysm's safety nets. But also because in the catacylsm, we were almost forced to give ground. Now we are being more aggressive but paying a price.
Speaking of which, the AI is only one turn away from another top up of troops. And we are just one turn away from the next Diet - it seems to have crept up on us.
That did creep up! I thought we were just plodding along and now another Diet Session and election a turn away. Could be interesting considering some of the edicts proposed to capture settlements were not fulfilled.
I guess that shows our standing compared the past. We would be looking further beyond the newly conquered lands with new edicts to to expand for more territory.
Part III is up.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=240
I would encourage a bit more leniance on army generation next time it happens. We've been fighting tooth and nail to get back what we once had, but if you omit Prinz Dieter's conquests, which were mostly unopposed, we've re-conquered very, very little so far. After 60 years of retreat and defeat, a bit of forward movement would be welcome. The novelty of the triple gold armies is also starting to wear off.
Second!
Uh. Third.
Fourth. I was afraid my inability to command would be exposed by a triple gold, but it's too late for that. It was exposed by a regular army.
Declined with a comment.
If we don't replace the Triple Golds with Silvers and Bronze then watch...once they have been taken out we will expand rapidly.
Personally, I like the balance under AussieGiant's stint - it's been very challenging.
The reason for the difficulty may have been the plague rather than the AI stacks per se. The plague has slashed our trade income and so most areas have had to get by with limited reinforcements to armies that were already depleted by the cataclysm. If we get back to pre-cataclysm income levels, we will be able to pump out good units from our many Citadels and the AI will be much less frightening. That will be a bit of a shame, to be honest, as I think the balance is better when we are tightly constrained.
On the gold stacks, I only created one per faction - to represent elite formations to be feared. Silver or bronze buffs are needed though, to balance the good stats of our generals.
Gentlemen,
Completely OOC; I was hard pressed organising everyone operationally, due to plague issues and that will continue...plus there was basically very limited amounts of cash.
I personally like it, but I believe good old Arnold is going to unfairly be labelled a Chancellor that did not achieve much in the global scheme of things...therefore expect some follow up from the old fellow. :2thumbsup:
As long as there aren't any ridiculous full lancer stacks or other full cavalry stacks, I'm happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
Or horse archer stacks. :wall:
I can imagine a full stack of vards being difficult, but HAs are very easily defeated by our crossbows, and the AI doesn't use them smartly at all (cantabrian in front of crossbows is basically asking to gt killed)
I'm gonna be away fir at least 5 days, so don't worry if I don't return PM's.
I will be advocating full balanced stacks of silver or bronze experience with armour and weapon upgrades.
They should be placed in the fog of war areas not right on the edge of our front lines, that will then let the AI handle them how they want.
Tonight is a surge night :2thumbsup:, it just sounds good somehow.
It's 08:40 GMT +1 as I write this on Friday morning. Offensive season and deployment will be compeleted this evening so get your battles in or orders to me by tonight around 20:00 GMT +1
We will be at the start of 1358 by the end of the weekend.
right as soon as the Poles are broken on the walls of Magdeburg again I'm going to try and take Breslau if that is all right with the Chancellor, I realise now Dieter the Mean (how did that happen?) isn't going to be able to recruit more men before he is besieged again, time to get out of that wreched castle.
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Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
That's just about the best news I've heard in decades :laugh4:
You're next Chancellor will be thrilled.:yes:
Right then...this weekend should be interesting.
TC, vpmd, Ramses, Elite Ferret and Dutch_guy are all up.
The only one I'm wondering about for OOC reasons is vpmd's battle.
Econ what do you think?
And TC, you've got one of the all time cracking battles I've fought in my entire life with that city rush.
In the end I had all 5 pavise Xbow's in the city square...it was like watching a mini gun in action....:beam:
vpmd has not visited the Org for a week, so I am not sure he will pass by in time to fight his battle. However, we probably should play by the rules and give him 48 hours before autoresolving it. It would be a good idea to PM him a wake up call (and the Magdeburg two as well).Quote:
Originally Posted by AussieGiant
Forgot about the PM's.Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
Will send then all now
-edict-
Done.
Never mind my pm AG, I see the state of things now. Even if mine doesn't come up until Monday I can probably get it done that night.
:egypt:
In my run through you only got the bronze army and in a full ambush.
I just charged them outright and worked things out from there :beam:
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battle report is finished for the end of the Daruzzo campaign.
Hey guys,
am gone for three weeks as of now, just to let everyone know again (yes, I know, its been posted three times already). Best PBM Ive ever played ~;) (possibly also the only), great job to all those who help running it and hopefully I can jump right back in when I return.
deguerra
Have a great time deguerra and you can jump right back in when you get back. Your on reserve duty in reality. By the time you get back the next chancellor will be just over half way through maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by deguerra
vpmd is in deep trouble. There is no way he can win that fight.
:no:
-edit-
I'm going to PM vpmd again. He has until tonight to get back to me...I don't feel really good about this actually.
Don't feel too bad about moving on without him. I really see no possible way for him to survive, so an autoresolve death isn't really any worse. I guess this one will officially make the Arnold Chancellorship the most lethal period in KOTR history, including the Cataclsym.