meh, select: FactionHeir
Who else.
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meh, select: FactionHeir
Who else.
Select: Kommodus
Even though there's no way of confirming his innocence, I'd rather elect someone who if innocent will do the Town good than someone completely random.
I'd be willing to bet all the family members know one another, so saying he knows one other person who he can trust is hardly a reason for thinking he is mafia. Just seems like a wrong assumption to me. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Select: Kommodus
Meh, did you read the rest of the post, it does not really matter who is the director. Yes, it gives them immunity for a few days, but then again, so does just not posting for a few days in such a large game. No one will really notice, nor care.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
I am fine with whoever being the director. As I have never participated in such a large game or even a game at the org, I do not know the particular tendencies of your players.
Unvote: General
Select: Sasaki
Why not? :shrug:
Looking at the rules, in particular those for the succession when the Don is dead, it does imply that the Mades (of whom the Luca is one) know each other, unless they are kept in the dark at the start and only informed by Seamus when the time comes. We could ask GH about this, as it would relate to his previous game's experience and not this game's, and thus it wouldn't be technically breaking any rules. Perhaps Seamus can clarify this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
One option would be for norwegian's buddy to step up, for both of them to state their roles and their relation to each other, and for us to lynch one of them. If the investigation proves they were telling the truth, then the other will be a confirmed pro-townie who can be protected for the rest of the game. And given that players are supposed to play for a team win, sacrificing one townie in order to guarantee the innocence of the other should be a price worth paying, especially since townies can upgrade once they've participated in enough night actions.
But if norwegian is unwilling to open up, then the best course would be to lynch him, given what we know of the game.
Norwegian.... Count Arach would not happen to be this friend of yours, would he?
You are not a new player, given your previous posts on the forum here, but have joined for the sake of playing Mafia.
So you do know more than it was first reckoned, and you also, rightfully, should know better than to so blatantly hint at your role.
I don't credit anything you have said, and I shall not vote for you on any matter.
Pannonian, the odds of him being a Serial Killer are as even as any, if he were one, and an intelligent one, he would act in a way which would have him surely lynched.
No countarch is not my buddy, He posted on a differnt forum to gauge interst in this mafia game
http://z2.invisionfree.com/herdstone...howtopic=13625 True, I joined to play mafia but you can ask Countarch how often we play mafia on the forum I came from.
As to my buddy, it is not my place to say.
Hey :)
I got interested in playing Mafia from reading two of general handkerchiefs mafia games.
So Select:GeneralHandkerchief.
Joe
Yes I remember that and I was his scum-buddy I believe.He found a loop-hole in the statement. If we can make a loop-hole-less statement then we are fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
As to knowing norwegian nerd - we have met on another forum, as he implied.
EDIT: Just read back over his comments and I must say... I don't know why he trusts me... I know that I certainly don't trust him...
After looking back over the rules that the Director has, I choose to change my vote for Director:
Unselect: Farad
Select: Kommodus
I missed the last little bit that made them immune to killings, something that might help keep Kommo alive.
Trouble is, making sure that its free of loopholes. His loophole in that game was as tiny as the difference between Mafia and mafia(first letter). Frankly, I don't trust any question we can come up with, as he'll(if he's mafia) somehow find a loophole around it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
You may be right, but it still doesn't make sense for norwegian to come out like that if he is mafia. Though it begs the question, why aren't you questioning why Glenn seems to trust GH for no apparent reason? Why are you just going after norwegian? Why focus on one person when you have so many other people to question? It doesn't make any sense in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
I never said I trusted you... I said I knew who you where.
Select: Ichigo
Since at this point everyone is equally trustworthy (and equally untrustworthy), I'm picking someone whose instincts and experience have proven quality.
Because norwegian's stated that he knows the ID of another player, in a game where by default townies don't know who each other are? Go back a couple of pages and you'll find a post by norwegian that said that he doesn't trust anyone except his buddy, which prompted me to probe him further, which eventually led to that damning statement. We've seen blunders like this before, like Kralizec's in Capo 1 that led us to Beirut, with the difference being that I caught norwegian's post and quoted it so it can't be denied later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
And more to the point, as I said even before M7, staking his truthfulness takes the fun out of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by kamikhaan
Even if you hadn't quoted it, I wouldn't have edited it. I have nothing to hide.
it's just to prove they're not lurkers :P hehe :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Andres
:laugh4:Quote:
since when was I ever not pointless...
this indeed seems rather indicating for a mafia role.. of course, I don't know all kinds of pm's sent to the different roles, but when I compare mine to what norwegian nerd sais about his, he must be some kind of guilty, probably..Quote:
I know I can trust him because the gamemaster told me I could trust him and if I don't trust the gamemaster there isn't much point in playing a game of mafia.
What makes you belive I shouldn't trust him?
and ichigo, I can see why pannonian is going after this and not after the stuff around director selection.. this is more serious. at least, it seems. director selection seems abstract, and a slight addition to the game with few importance. voting randomly isn't normally suspicious because of this light nature.. but of course it's possible that mafia will use it to their advantage.
I must say though, I'd much rather lynch NN then Glenn now.
Well, since I have no past experience to guide me, and it still seems mostly a random decision,
select: Andres
Let Chaos Reign.
Ajax
select: kommodus
History shows us that mafia often tries to get their own elected as director. Two things about this post:Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
He is paranoid about his posts, and edited it to add reason. Mafiosos are more paranoid than townies. His reasoning for selection is also bogus as has been pointed out.
Scottish ranger also uses scummy reasoning and lots of unnecessary explanation for a vote for GH. These two stand out to me from all the nominations of GH.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottishranger
I would go for Kommodus but he noted in the last game that holmes has trouble here because of the multiple mafia factions. So I will Select: Sasaki. If someone could do a tally it would be sweet.
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Select: Louis VI the Fat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Claude Rains,
https://jimcee.homestead.com/Casablanca36.jpg
I do not despise him, nor think he does me, but he's the first CdtC2 player to PM me wishing me good luck. Plus, his nick resembles our setting (Fatlington), plus I've always imagined he looked and acted as Captain Renault in that movie - quick-witted, a little corrupt, but ultimately fair-minded, with the overall good of the community his ultimate goal... a fine random selection for our first Director, in my random opinion.
You're probably right, but we'll have to wait until Day 2 to lynch him and see. I'm still not sure what to think of his post, but I doubt he's mafia honestly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
The director is guaranteed two rounds without being able to die. I think that's a pretty good reason to care about who selects who.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drisos
Is this a meatball which I see before meQuote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
The spaghetti toward my hand?
Select: Kommodus
We are not allowed to edit our posts, are we?Quote:
Originally Posted by norwegian nerd
I don't have much experience in mafia so I'll just, Select:Andres
Sasaki has shown that he is always probing of everyone's statements in all cases, and there are many times he was innocent and many times he was guilty and deceived everyone.
Therefore he is dangerous - yet I do not suspect him of anything.
I am, I admit, annoyed that after I joked and said I was paranoid and tried to give good reasoning for voting GH, mainly because I felt sorry for him, that someone still picked something in this to try and turn the light upon me.
Such attention is unwanted in any role.
I would ask what everyone here would have me do to avoid suspicion that Hankerchief and I are connected in this game in anyway, but until someone suggests - I will simply change my vote.
Deselect: GeneralHankerchief
Select: True Praetorian
Louis also PM'd me wishing me well, but i feel i must Elect: Pannonian
It will ease my thoughts after last game. He still hasnt accepted my apology over his forced suicide.
Scummy scummy scummy. I don't see how anyone can read your first post and come away with the impression that you were joking when you said you were paranoid (funny that you claim this after I say paranoia is a scumtell). You also said that you were voting for GH because you "trusted him" not because you felt sorry for him. It looks like you were selecting a scum buddy for director, made up some reasoning (as you say "tried to give good reasoning for voting GH") and now are trying to change that.
I'm going to vote to lynch glenn tomorrow.
Here's his first post for reference:
Quote:
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Originally Posted by Glenn
Yes we are able to edit our posts. Its just that if you do it people may take it as a sign that you edited something out and as such have something to hide. You also should never rule out that someone saw what the post was like before you edited it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannibalbarc
Select: Kommodus.
Why not
Bold your votes, it helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt. Pinard
No hard feelings mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
A Mafia family starts play with 1 Don, 1 Luca, and 1 Made. All 5 families are in play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Derictor has some power, first of all it can protect a Don from the wrath of the town and also provides a good exscuse for staying alive. They also have a fair amount of influence in the voting selection. Even if a twonie dies its not a huge lose to the town (as long as they arn't power town), as they can still add to the debate. So the mafia have a preaty big advantage in trying to get one of there own in there. Look at the Godfather I where the role was introduced, GH was scum and got elected for basiclly the whole game. From there he was able to manipulate the town making it so all of his teammates survived. It was a crushing victory.
That being said you can see why have some distrust for GH or any really strong player getting the post, its just to dangerous in expert hands. Kommodus is two fold as Holmes it self would be preaty esay to use to manipulate the town. That being said inexperianced supicous player is better off in office then an expert suspicous player.
So I'm going to go with one of the noobs, chosen at random,
Select: Chimpyang
I would encourage a newer member to the director position.
All I can remember is GH getting killed night 1 after selecting me. Got attacked for selecting a newbie. :laugh4:
A Lot!Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Current Tally for Director:
Kommodus - 10 (BSR, Charge, CA, Drisos, EMM, Hiji, LtP, Moros, Ry, taka)
Andres - 8 (ajax, Andres, Craterus, CR, hb, Ichi, Kami, shlin)
GH - 6 (GH, Joe, Myrd, TotD, Tin, Tb)
Sasaki - 4 (Husar, Sasaki, True, Xiahou)
Several with 1 or 2 votes.
Okay, I'm logging off for the night. A couple of quick hits before I go:
- From what I recall, Kommodus sucks as mafia. Putting him in the spotlight might not be such a bad idea.
- The question is now, do I change my vote from myself to Kommodus? After all, one can get hit both ways for this. If I keep my vote on me, I get blasted for not following above logic, people saying I'm scummy, and saying that my impending "well, the logic is sound, but I'd still rather it be me because I'm the only one I can trust" defense is weak.
- On the other hand, considering my last long post ("everybody, vote for yourselves!"), they'd say I'm a flip-flopper and that's scummy. Finally, considering that several people are under fire for selecting me (never mind that Seamus just posted that the initial families get two people they know and I have roughly six votes :rolleyes2:), backing off and voting someone else would also be considered scummy.
Ahh, Capo.
Anyway, I'd rather be hit with the allegations coming from my first choice, so I'm leaving my vote on me right now.
G'night.
Either you are putting me under as much pressure as possible to determine my role, Sasaki, or you consider me a personal threat to your own safety and so refuse to see any innocence in whatever I say.
At this rate, if anybody shows any affection for anyone in this thread, they will have given - apparently - sufficient evidence for a lynching.
You haven't responded to the meat of my accusation.
Why would I have considered you a personal threat?
The number of votes for you is irrelevant, it is the manner in which those votes are made that is important.Quote:
Originally Posted by GH
There's no innocence in anything you say. It seems like you're trying to save yourself from a mistake you made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Select Andres
May as well keep the voting tight.
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Why is that?
Scratch that question, let's keep talking about how Glenn is guilty.
Select: Andres
Gah, confused, I thought initially better to choose one of the really experienced / devious guys to see if they reveal something about their role so we know whether to lynch / protect later. But strikes me now that it could be too dangerous if they are bad guy and get to manipulate early stages, also some of reasons given for selections so far look a bit dodgy.
Select: The Stranger
partly random, partly sympathy vote as people in sign up thread seemed to want to lynch him on name, though with current voting pattern that probably equals abstain, which was second favourite option.....
might change mind if more compelling reasoning comes up before deadline :confused:
Select: Abstain.
Thanks but ive been mafia about 2wice.. :sweatdrop: But i am innocent this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by woad&fangs
Select: Andres
Ill rely on someone to protect Holmes. I dont think it comes handy when we got 80 peoples playing and some new comers with unknown play style. I think Andres should be the leader for 3 days and Kommodus can take over later.
Well, this is a very obvious bandwagoning attempt by a mafioso, and as such I don't think there is no damning evidence to convict me - but Sasaki is instead by constantly questioning me and abandoning others - trying to desolve evidence from what I say in my, 'defence'.
Remember, this is an attempt at a lynch far before the correct day, and with a pretext of my first vote of the game - let alone my first post.
Sasaki is a grand detective if he can decide a Mafioso from the first thing he writes.
Select: Kommodus
We've got to start somewhere, and Kommodus mafia hunting skills could come in handy. Or at least if he's not a mafioso or ends up killed in the first round. Pannonion may also be an advisable director target later on in the game - both of them are extremely brilliant mafia hunters.
On another note, I don't like Glenn's rather paranoid and defensive stance - repetitively shouting from the rooftops "I am a townie" probably means you aren't. I'm a little weary of it, since it seems fairly excessive. Of course, this can be simply dismissed because you are are relatively inexperienced player, but it should possibly be monitored.
Im going to have to Select:Andres because he is a moderator and can handle theshameresponsibility. :dozey:
Select: Kommodus
I always remember Kommodus being superb in rooting out mafia. I think he is worth somehwat 'protecting' for the night, and will be good for weeding the ground of mafia.
Wow, this topic has gone quickly getting back from school I had to read through 5 pages :stars:. Anyway so far, as has been pointed out numerous times, there is really nothing to go on or anyone to trust so far. Selecting myself, no-one or someone with few votes will really have no affect at all. With that in mind, I'm going to Elect: Andres. I'm a fairly new player here and don't know peoples histories, and Andres is just as likely scum as anyone else but as a moderator I think he will do a competent job as director if he isn't scum.
As for the topic so far, I think norwegian has been incredibly scummy however not nessecarily so. I think that Pannonian is completely correct when he said:
Thats what I currently feel about the situation, however I'd just like to add that we shouldn't rule out the situation where norwegian has a secret role, or some sort of special rules. From the way he talks about his friend as a "buddy" I don't instinctively feel he is talking about a don, I get the feeling it is someone who is his equal. But in any case, the system that Pannonian set out sounds like the most logical to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
If Norwegian won't give us more details about his "buddy", then I'm prepared to vote for his lynch tomorrow.
Very good Zorg, a nice write up!
Thankfully someone agrees with me on how dark it is in here for anyone to be shouting names yet.
Norwegian should be given a fair chance to respond, though I think he has done more damage to himself than we can do to him.
I doubt very much he is in a family, and thought it was a secret role bestowed on him myself.
However, as I also pointed out, he HAS played this before - why would a player who could even be a veteran do such an obvious thing?
Before deciding to lynch him, let him speak again - because I think there is a chance he is a Serial Killer, no reason why such a role would not be included.
He could easily type something dull and suspicious and have everyone vote for him, then continue on a killing spree, ( I admit I only know the basics of a serial killer's rules - but that is the general purpose of it).
As to his allegiance, no speculation can fairly be made.
If you want to survive Norwegian, it is certainly time you found your voice again.
I dislike the idea of townie groups being formed at the stage where everything is shrouded in mystery.
Dons/Mades could be trying to infiltrate, and may even be the ones establishing them, hoping to manipulate the unsuspecting innocents to their will. Of course a certain level of risk has to be taken, but when nobody knows anybody else's true intentions it can be dangerous.
Next day phase, I say we target norwegian nerd with the hope of pressuring him into speaking about his partner. Then we can interrogate this partner into revealing more about himself. I doubt norwegian nerd is a mafioso, although this partner has a chance of being one.
Zorg is instantly lynched. He was townieQuote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
I hope you remember that Zorg.
I do it, but online mafia games are just a tad more sophisticated than 2 minute long ones at lunch ~;) .
Why? Got different orders from the boss now? This change wasn't going to change anything in the election anymore.. suspiciouss...Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
AH, so Kommodus might actually become director.. nice..
now I must say, I'm stilly more suspicious of norwegian nerd than of 'Glenn'.. he might have a feeling for saying things the wrong say so that they are interpreted wrong, but I must admit it sounds suspicious here and there.
on the other hand.. one thing I remember from my last mafia game.. never trust sasaki. :P
That sounds awfully defensive for somebody who isn't under pression :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
You know, you could have easily ignored Sasaki's accusation. After all, we are not voting for a lynch yet. Also, there wasn't much pressure on you when you made that post. Same as for GH: sounds awfully defensive for somebody who isn't under (much) pression :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
So shall I ignore you as you attempt to pression me, or shall I play the game?
I am new, this is my first proper match, Fimbulwinter was my introduction.
As such, I love discussion and carrying on debate, in the hope more people will join in and create a great meeting here.
I am sorry if it is the precipitation of my reply that causes this suspicion, however Sasaki is the only one who relates blame to no other but myself - and this caused me to believe him criminal.
I have learnt.
Apparently Kommodus has some special anti-mafia power, so i'm going to
Unselect: Abstain
Select: Kommodus
Does anyone have a tally?
It's too late now... You'll have to defend yourself next round or alot of people will just bandwagon you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
We know your new, but your defensive posting style while there wasn't much pressure on you, makes it difficult for us to believe that you're not scum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Attack is the best defense, eh? You remind me of myself when I was mafia for the first time ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Also, I'd like to hear more from norwegian nerd and more in particular about that "buddy" thing.
If you don't want to tell us the identity of your buddy, then maybe you can hint us towards his/your role(s)? You could consider doing so by pm, but since you can't trust anybody at this stage in the game, I'd do it in this public thread if I were you. There are doctors in this game able to offer you protection for the night and we can form a group of townies to protect you if necessary, so you don't need to be afraid of dying tonight.
Mmm. My main suspicion is Glenn. He is acting very irrational in PM conversation.
Would you mind explaining the details of such a pm conversation, and what elements of it you found irrational? We can't really place blame on someone without more detailed evidence.
Lot of plots going around.
Lets wait until tomorrow for more information.
I changed my Selection to Leet Eriksson and he selected himself(thus falling under 1 or 2 selections with Sasakis having 3), unless it's not allowed to unselect, which would be fine with me as well, this tally is a bit wrong. ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Meaning death...:hanged:Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
First day in a while I'm out of bed before 12. So what I type may not be to clear, or logic, and will contian many grammar errors and the likes.
This norwegian nerd dude; he doesn't seem to be a mafia, well to me. Somehow it doesn't feel like it. I think he just got some special role, or some special addition to his role. Like knowing the true role of a player (for example two townies, who in the story are long freinds, and know for certain that both are in fact townies. Though they could also be wiseguys or mafiosi who know each other or something.) or they might have some special role who co-operates whith another one. For example let's say if there are 2 FBI-agents, maybe they know eachother, or something.
he could have a pro-towy role or the contrary. But it seems to me that he has some special role. And I think that if he has a special role it might be worth it to save him. Though putting him under pression might reveal a mafioso or something it might as well reveal a detective of sorts.
So I'm uncertain wether or not to lynch him next phase.
Anyway if there are detectives reading this, it might not be a bad idea, to actually investigate this fella.
EDIT:
If he indeed has a buddy, it'd be my bet that it is Glenn. Or he expresses himself in wierd way (I don't mean the limericks) or this guy is being stressed. We all know which players are usually stressed the most, the guilty ones.
So I think we might not do much bad if we try to get Glenn some votes next rounds. I want him to talk. And if he shows to be the buddy we might spash two flies in one go.
Care to elaborate? Cause this is almost plain meatballin'. You may not take screens or citations (need to check the rules again), but I'm pretty sure you can discuss them.Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
Why do you want to wait until tomorrow?Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
Pevergreen, you're making yourself suspicious.
Andres: not angry because of last game are you? As you don't even wanted to talk by pm?
More information from the conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
It wasnt finished at that point, I still dont think it is now.
Enjoy your pm's :bow:
Because it's interesting to see who the mafia hit tonight. Also, a lot of people havn't voted yet....things can still change
Whacking me night 1? Not very nice W&F.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woad&Fangs
Glen PM conversation:
4 hours later:Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
Thats part of it.
People are very afraid to commit. heheheh
You've got mail ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Moros
I got exactly 1 (one) pm from you in which you proposed to become the town's coordination center.Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
Now, pevergreen, if you are going to be our coordination center, then you'll have all the valuable information. Tell me, why should we trust you and give you such an important position?
Why not waiting until somebody gets killed by the mafia or succesfully protected, because at that stage we will have a confirmed innocent.
Right now, you might as well be mafia scum who is going to get alot of important information.
I don't trust you pevergreen. Sorry. I prefer to wait until we have a or a few confirmed innocent players. Until then, you won't get anything from me.
A doctor who is going to kill another player?Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
Assuming this pm quoted by pevergreen is genuine (isn't it woad&fangs insead of Woad&Fangs?), I would like to know, woad&fangs, why would you want to kill pevergreen? How can you possibly be sure of his guilt?
A vigilante killing random players is as dangerous as a mafioso...
Would you like who that was sent to Andres?
I left it out originally.
God knows how I'm going to keep up with this game. I'm at college atm and it's pretty rare that I have the opportunity to check the .Org while I'm here.
Anyway, I don't have very long but I'd like to say that I think forming these vigilante groups is dangerous at this stage. I've already been approached twice and asked to put my trust in a group of unknowns(their names would not be revealed until my participation was definite). As I understand it, if one group member backs out, there's a chance the others could die. Seems a bit risky to me, especially when the target is fairly likely to be innocent anyway. Therefore, I won't be joining any vigilante groups in this night phase and I think the people forming them right now are suspicious.
Thats a good call indeed Andres, it should be indeed woad&fangs with no capital letters. What do you have to say in this little thing pevergreen?Now that i remember, did we had certain roles in Capo I, who´s main job was to try and kill the other, maybe woad and pevergreen are these roles?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Is it allowed to quote pm's then? I guess I misread the rules. Anyway I replied Andres.
Got pm's from pevergreen and Glenn too. Some guys are putting a lot of time in this it seems.
I copy pasted from a pm into word. The QUOTE tags around W&F's post are manual.
If it should be woad&fangs, my mistake. I automatically put Woad&Fangs.
I got pounded for this in Capo 1. It was manual, therefore, not perfect.