Music Mafia [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Captain Blackadder

Since random org rarely helps town we need a decisive lynch. Of the two options Split seems the more suspicious plus if he is Kanye then surely he would have to be bad favour bad pop.

Vote Split

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1) Robbie just claimed Kanye.
2) I never said I was Kanye.
3) Why are you so sure of anyone's alignment? Are you DE or just that keen to his musical tastes?
4) Numerated lists are for :daisy:s

Why jump on the bandwaggon so late? Give me a real reason.

I don't like this soft claim. Pizza wants it hard or not at all. :wink:

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I don't like this soft claim. Pizza wants it hard or not at all. :wink:

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Hard pizza isn't good pizza though. :sick:

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Originally Posted by spL1tp3r50naL1ty

An entire episode was based on everyone's love of my string of bad publicity. Something about being good for a harvest or something :wink:

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I knew it!

Your role's tough to define in terms of popularity, really; your music's good and you're popular in that respect, but your life is pretty messed up and the media loves nothing more than to highlight this fact. I'd guess Neutral, but it's a hard one to call.

As for your favour with the DJ, you're definitely Good, not that that accounts for as much; it's entirely plausible that we're going to see a mafioso that is considered unpopular but is loved by Diamondeye.

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Well if I were bad popularity I wouldn't be much for parading it around would I? The contradiction exists for good reason, I can say that.

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It's down to interpretation though, since my interpretation of a person's popularity might be different to someone else's; prime example being robbiecon's claim as Kanye West, someone who I feel would be Bad Popularity but it's sufficiently debateable that it's not a viable argument by itself.

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Originally Posted by Captain Blackadder

Of the two options Split seems the more suspicious plus if he is Kanye then surely he would have to be bad favour bad pop.

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This is the argument against robbiecon that I gave in the last day phase and it was largely rubbished; why the change of heart? Also, we can't assume favour as easily as popularity, as it requires guessing on DE's music tastes, really. :P

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Originally Posted by spL1tp3r50naL1ty

1) Robbie just claimed Kanye.

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robbiecon insinuated that he was Kanye in the last phase, it's only in this phase that he's come out and said it outright.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I don't like this soft claim. Pizza wants it hard or not at all. :wink:

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I've given you more than enough hints. You're a smart lad.

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Originally Posted by Secura

I knew it!

Your role's tough to define in terms of popularity, really; your music's good and you're popular in that respect, but your life is pretty messed up and the media loves nothing more than to highlight this fact. I'd guess Neutral, but it's a hard one to call.

As for your favour with the DJ, you're definitely Good, not that that accounts for as much; it's entirely plausible that we're going to see a mafioso that is considered unpopular but is loved by Diamondeye.

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There ye go, you caught on. Yeah I was surprised initially that I wasn't bad, but I take it that this is an overall measure of someone's carer, both the good and the bad moments, the music and the artist. So that might make a bit more sense...

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Originally Posted by Secura

robbiecon insinuated that he was Kanye in the last phase, it's only in this phase that he's come out and said it outright.

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Hence he "just" claimed it. It was like, 4 posts before mine that he said "Only Kanye comes up, which is me."

Ah, that's who you are. Are you claiming to be good popularity, Split?

Don't you get it? The girl must die.

Infinity votes: Split

Taking into account both my sales as an artist and my public life on parade in recent years. How do you feel about me?

:P

I'm not claiming good, no.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I don't like this soft claim. Pizza wants it hard or not at all. :wink:

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Maybe if you said "gimme more", you'd get somewhere. :3

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Originally Posted by spL1tp3r50naL1ty

There ye go, you caught on.

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I believe split to be Neutral/Good for now, so it's worth turning votes elsewhere in my opinion... unvote, vote: Believer

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Originally Posted by spL1tp3r50naL1ty

Taking into account both my sales as an artist and my public life on parade in recent years. How do you feel about me?

:P

I'm not claiming good, no.

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Me? I'm still waiting for the inevitable alcohol-fuelled traffic accident, half-naked while shaving her own head, then wandering around on the side of the road until she's hit by a cement mixer.

I would consider that an appropriate final performance.

I'm not getting who Split claims to be, but neutral? Neutral claims are so easy in a game like this. Hmmm.

And a tally.

4 Split (Renata, ATPG, Believer, Captain Blackadder)
4 Believer (Romanic, robbiecon, TheLastDays, Secura)
1 Captain Blackadder (Csargo)
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2 not voting (classical_hero, Split)

Britney Spears from ATPG's rant.

unvote, Vote:split

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Originally Posted by Captain Blackadder

Has DiamondEye stated what will happen in the case of a tie?

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Triple coinflip. See JHT's lynch.

Also; 12½ hours left, for infoes.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I don't like this soft claim. Pizza wants it hard or not at all. :wink:

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I just love it when you talk dirty. :wink:

unvote vote:Split.

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Originally Posted by Romanic

I'm not getting who Split claims to be, but neutral? Neutral claims are so easy in a game like this. Hmmm.

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You didn't get the claim? :o

I had an inkling from the little hints, and once I Google'd "South Park musician harvest", the whole thing became clearer; even then, Pizza and I were giving some clues! Keep up, Roman! :D

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Originally Posted by Csargo

unvote, Vote:split

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Originally Posted by classical_hero

unvote, Vote:Split

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Ummm, what? You both think Britney Spears has Bad Popularity? o_O'

Maybe they don't believe he really is Britney Spears... maybe they think she has bad popularity...

maybe they're scum, jumping onto a bandwagon

unvote, vote: classical_hero

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Originally Posted by Secura

Ummm, what? You both think Britney Spears has Bad Popularity? o_O'

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WE don't know how DE set up this game so anyone could be viewed as being a potential mafia. Well Britney has waned in her popularity , so it is possible that she is scum, but we can't tell unless the mafia be honest, but I doubt anyone would do what Visor did, or we have a scanner that can scan for that activity. Basically it is guess work at best on what we are going on with this game, since we have no clue on what the criteria for bad popularity is. So this game is pure guess work.

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Originally Posted by classical_hero

WE don't know how DE set up this game so anyone could be viewed as being a potential mafia. Well Britney has waned in her popularity , so it is possible that she is scum, but we can't tell unless the mafia be honest, but I doubt anyone would do what Visor did, or we have a scanner that can scan for that activity. Basically it is guess work at best on what we are going on with this game, since we have no clue on what the criteria for bad popularity is. So this game is pure guess work.

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Therefore the most logical explanation for your vote change is jumping onto a bandwagon...

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Originally Posted by classical_hero

WE don't know how DE set up this game so anyone could be viewed as being a potential mafia.

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I don't agree with this, since the setup for the game is pretty easy to understand.

Popularity, and thus alignment as town/neutral/mafia, is based on the musician's reception in the world, such as record sales, media attention and so on; it's fairly easy to estimate this if you become aware of another person's role.

Let's use robbiecon's example of Sir Paul McCartney; the guy was the bassist in the most successful band ever, their music still listened to generations after it's release... it's pretty clear that he'd be of Good Popularity. Compared that to Lady Gaga, who is an outstanding musician but has just as many detractors as she does fans, so it's harder to justify that she'd be Good and you'd be more inclined to label her as Neutral.

DJ favour is essentially Diamondeye's own opinion of the artist, and is harder to estimate because it requires one to know DE's tastes; based on some of the things I've seen him listen to via MSN, I can make broad assumptions of certain roles like Britney or Gaga, both of whom I know he loves. However, not knowing whether DE likes or dislikes that artist isn't as important as knowing their popularity, and thus alignment.

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Well Britney has waned in her popularity , so it is possible that she is scum

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What are you basing this on? I don't see it myself, because on every occasion where she seems to be at her lowest ebb, she bounces back and knocks her critics for six; she's just like Gaga, you either love her or hate her... I wouldn't call her unpopular.

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So this game is pure guess work.

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The last two music-related games that I played (Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and it's sequel) were apparantly pure guesswork, and I cracked both of those... if one has a decent knowledge of music, the games aren't that hard to figure out.

It is better to make my vote count for something that just let it sit idle. What if it is correct?

@Secura. You do have expect that some people from certain groups will be classified a certain just because it would be crazy it not be that case, but I doubt that DE would make it 100% that way so it is not obvious to the town and make it winnable that way by just knowing who the person is playing.

Popularity is down to interpretation really, but I still think that's the way to eventually win the game.

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Originally Posted by Secura

Popularity is down to interpretation really, but I still think that's the way to eventually win the game.

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Its comparing on how you define popularity. Is it within a certain group or is it in general? All these musicians so far are popular amongst certain people what kind of musicians are truly hated by everyone? Even people like Miley Cryus and Bieber are beloved by their demographic in the case of bieber to the point of insanity. I feel that it will be much harder to figure out popularity dj favour would be easier since we know at least broadly what kind of music de would like

Who knows, Kevin Federline might be considered good popularity.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

You try saying that with a straight face. :laugh4:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQd9jWYZky0

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Originally Posted by Captain Blackadder

Its comparing on how you define popularity. Is it within a certain group or is it in general? All these musicians so far are popular amongst certain people what kind of musicians are truly hated by everyone? Even people like Miley Cryus and Bieber are beloved by their demographic in the case of bieber to the point of insanity.

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It's general popularity, because otherwise everyone would be Good if it only considered their specific fandoms. Bieber and Cyrus have their fans certainly, but there's just as many people who loathe everything about them; in the context of this game, they'd both be Neutral I think.

As for musicians being universally hated, mebbe... look at Chris Brown; the guy has some catchy songs sure, but he happens to be a cowardly thug who attacks women. I'd firmly label him as Bad Popularity as a result.

Anyone just plain obscure would work for bad popularity.

The issue for me is whether or not DE would give the mafia cover roles with good or neutral popularity. If he did, then every incentive is for the mafia to use them, whatever they are. If he did not, then there's little incentive to try to fake anyone who's not unequivocally popular. I'd expect him to, though.

Mr Neutral split, what is your victory condition?

Hmm. You still need to lynch Believer.

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Originally Posted by Captain Blackadder

we know at least broadly what kind of music de would like

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:laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

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Have eclectic tastes?

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

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:yes:

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Originally Posted by Renata

Mr Neutral split, what is your victory condition?

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My VC as a Neutral is to survive. Nothing more, nothing less, this is my primary goal.

Vote: Classical_hero, scum.